We let one slip through our grasp- Post L*ker Loss Thread
by BlazerFan1 on Jan 4, 2009 9:33 PM PST
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PrintGoodness that was bad. Painfull really. Another late 2nd quarter lack of focus meltdown. The 3rd quarter was dismal, no energy and the shots would not fall mostly because the L*kers were forcing more jumpers and playing much better transition defense. That was exacerbated by the Blazer's terrible defense, rather the absense of ANY energy on the defensive end and by the middle of the 3rd it was evident that the Blazers would lose.
Mike and Mike were much better tonight which was a welcome surprise.
Good night everyone , lets hope Nate gives the boys hell in the lockerroom and the bus and in practice untill Wednesday and we get a win then at home!
Sophia
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lol, if you get ten befor i get five, ill take mine down
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
start up the bulldozer.
;-)~
"Another spam message pops up. It gets trapped. Nowhere to go. To the recycle bin. RIP CITY BABY." --Ben describing Schonz checking his email.
but, I will say this
you have a good point over there about LMA. he hit some tough shots, made a few drives, and looked really nice in transition. a huge +1 for him tonight.
"Another spam message pops up. It gets trapped. Nowhere to go. To the recycle bin. RIP CITY BABY." --Ben describing Schonz checking his email.
ive allways looved demolishen work
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
well i liked what you said so I'm shamelessly reposting it
maid tu rek’s thoughts on the game from his bulldozed-thread.
and LMA
im ok with this loss, but really only becouse of lmaz play, i got cought up in the moment and stopped paying as close attention to aldridge as i had intended, but he looked good. he hit his shots, and for me that was really key, and they werent all the easiest veriety, and he was good in transition. i think he faded a few times on defence, but ill have to watch the game again to know for sure, but at first glance, he did what i think a star should du. i dont really think you can truly be a number two with out the ability to be a number one if your number is gone. tonight he kept my hope alive. and i think rice called it pretty well, the gaurds were having a hard time opening up the flore for aldridge. thats not to say that i take anything back, nothing at all. he still has to maintain this with detroit, else hes only played 1 game out of 4, not good enough to be a star, period. but again tonight looked good.
side note, i thought the refs helped la back into it at the end of the half, that call on blake against hobey looked, um, uh, yeah, whatever. but no complaints, a good team can overcome bad reffing, and like Dave sais, if a few mist calls were enough to decide the game, it was to close to begin with. anything i suggestions i should watch for the second time around?
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by prezofdeath on Jan 4, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
lol, thanks
i have the game on again right now, i hope we win this time. another thing is that to me sergio is amasing at everything that has to du with basket ball, except for the three ball, that absolutly kills us, and really his defence isnt as bad as its made out to be, but in order to play basket ball, you HAVE to be able to put the ball in the hoop. i say sergio so unbelievably open from three sooo many times, it made me cry, when hes on the floor, its foor on five basket ball.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Thank guys for supporting LMA. jksnake99 and AK1984 have been treating LMA like Frye or Outlaw. :(
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LMA!!!!!! 16 in the 1st HALF!!!!!! DO IT UNTIL WE ALL SATISFIED!!!!!!
39:01 Mins 11-19 FGs 0-1 FTs 6 Off 11 Rebs 4 Ast 2Stl 1 Blk 22 Points LMA! NOT SOFT!
I AM SATISFIED! (For now, I didn't expect a win.)
LMA
isn’t going anywhere, and that’s a good thing for Portland. I don’t rip Oden for lacking a face up game/range to 20 feet. That’s not his game. In the same vein, LMA isn’t going to elbow guys out of his way to thunder dunk on them. These two have skill sets that complement each other perfectly, are close in age, and will be an excellent front court tandem for the next decade and change. And neither is the go to guy on this team, so I’m pretty happy that those are the second/third options.
Defensively, just like Oden is getting better, so will LMA. I actually think LMA is a better interior defender than people give him credit for (especially off ball, as he can get bullied by bruiser types down low), and our best big man defending the pick and roll. Our perimeter defense is subpar to terrible with the exception of Batum, and that puts the big guys in positions where their man can score off rotations/they pick up fouls, so it’s not all on them.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 4, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions
BRoy would be a number one option on most teams
a number two at the least. oden by his third year, if hes everything that hes been hyped to be, and if he continues his progetion at the pace were whitnessing, would be a nuberon option, again on most teams, a nuber two at worst. Both roy, and hopefully oden, have the ability to simply take over a game, and be THE biggest influence on the court, period. oden is not the go to guy, but if he is who we thought he was, he will have that ability to be. lamarkus duz not look, or at least has not looked like he will have that. aldridge is not on the same leval as oden or roy, hes simply a lesser star, and that giving him more credit then he has earned right now. im hopefull that he will continue to effort to change my mind, like he seamed to tonight(ive only sean the game once) but im skeptikle. he needs to develop the consistancy to be a star. oh yeah, lma is not that great of an interior defender. he will akshually STEP out of the way when an opposing gaurd is attacking the basktet and kan be super slow on his rotations, allowing easy layups. not good. I love him, but he is playing waaaay below his potential right now
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
i want tu, really really bad,
ive been a dispraportionatly loud critik of lma’s very recently, or at least his role on this team. i just dont trust him being billed as part of a big three right now. tonights game helps his cause, and theres not a player in the leagu that i personaly would take over LMA’z potential, i just fear that his potential will likely never be realised. i desperatly hope im wrong, and feal like i have been patient, but this time with roy out, is it for me. im done waiting, he steps up and leads this team, or i kan no longer think of him as a star, or a futer allstar, or anything other then a decent pf that has the potential to have good games every now and then, basikly, a role player, might be a nice fit for this team, but not a star. my contention is that he simply cannot miss more shots then he makes and be a star, espeshally for his position, he has the very real oprotunity to play close to the basket with hard work and determination, and has recently shown he can get there. he CAN NOT just move out of the way, (and im putting clips of this very offence together for a youtube video) when a gaurd is attacking the basket. his opponent can NOT have carrear shooting nights against him. these are things he has to be able to du, its in the job describtion. he dus some other things amazingly well, but he has to play well for his position CONSISTANTLY to gain back my trust and love.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
i like your posts
but can you please use a spell checker? sometimes i have to reread parts of your posts a few times to understand what you are trying to say. i don’t think 2.33 years of playing and 1.33 years of starting = patience however. hell people are saying to be patient with trout and hes been on the team forever now. why do you like lma’s potential but don’t think itll be realized? if thats the case then he shouldn’t have as high of a potential as you project. are you trying to say that lma has more potential than anyone else in the league? i’m a little confused i guess…on one hand you are saying he has unlimited potential but will not likely realize it…and then he won’t be an all star. he is a legit starter, yet’ you have called him a role player. your kinda all over the map on this one. i’m not trying to be confrontational…just confused.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 11:31 PM PST up reply actions
totaly cool
blake is a legit starter, and also a role player, hes good, but limited, and important, but nobody is talking about how hes going to show up at the allstar game. hes a role player. genious is simply unrealised potential, util its not. lamarkus has not, in my eyes really played to his potential, he has played below it. potential is not permanent, it can only be left untapt for so long. habbits are being developed, and some of them are bad. lamarkus has a respectable list of to dos, that imo is still longer then it should be, to become a star. i dont mind him not being a star for this team, but ill certainly continue to be anoyed if hes pictured with oden and roy in the future as a part of the big three, if he dusnt make some quick turnarounds. his scorring helped tonight. but his apponents scorring really hurt. he has a ways to go before he can really be considered a star on this team. outlaw is not being billed as a star on this team, lamarkus is. i do agree that lamarkus is a lagit starter, but i do not agree that he is a lagit star. or really even a star in the making, he can still change my mind, but this time with roy out of the game, will really be the deciding factor for me. i no ive been harping on it a lot, and ill be stopping very soon. im also aware of my pore spelling, and will find an online spellchecker as im sure they are out there before i post again from this point on. i understand how it could be anoying. at any rate, good game and good night
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Firefox has a spell checker built into it
You can type stuff in, and it will automatically underline misspelled words with a red line. You can then right-click, and it will offer you correction suggestions. You won’t even need to leave Blazers Edge.
Very handy.
this misspelling is funny and cool
it makes his posts that much more interesting. No sarcasm here. Stop the dogmatic totalitarian spelling checking upitty ups!
“lagit”
muuuuahahahahah
Yeah, I've been extremely hard on LaMarcus Aldridge these past few days.
The main reason I do it, though, is because most everyone already knows how flawed Travis Outlaw are Channing Frye are as players. It’d be like beating a dead horse with a stick. I also lay off the two Spaniards, Rudy Fernandez and Sergio Rodriguez, since most folks understand their weaknesses and temper expectations surrounding them.
The reason I bag on Aldridge — as well as Jerryd Bayless, who gets even more of my wrath — is due to the way that fans tend overrate them by ignoring their shortcomings.
When you're not posting here, do you tell children there is no Santa Claus?
Why do you care that Blazers fans overrate their own players?
Nah, I do have my limits.
Little kids are a nuisance to me, even though I just ignore the crumb-munching rugrats rather than act dickish toward them. On occasion, I’m surprisingly not a mean-spirited, cold-hearted jerk.
I'm kind of that way too
It depends on the kid. If it’s mild mannered, then I’m nice to it, if it’s a brat, then I like to make them cry. It’s pretty easy to get away with flipping off kids in public and most of them know what it means.
just like AK said above...
… we don’t talk about Frye’s or Outlaw’s shortcomings as much because everybody recognizes them. Relatively few people recognize what AK, howlingfantods and I perceive to be very substantial limitations in LMA’s game.
Boomshakalaka
no because i wouldn't have to spell his name
i type LMA because i get tired of thinking how his name is spelled
Activate Shavlik Randolph
It's like calling LaDainian Tomlinson LDT instead of LT.
There’s only one LT and Lawrence Taylor makes me think of call girls, cocaine, and crack.
I guess there is only one LA which makes me think of the L*kers.
LMA it is.
Well, I could be wrong, but I believe diversity is an old, old wooden ship that was used during the Civil War era.
the first half was good
Nic was great,things could be worse,if Travis had got more minutes we could have lost by 30
What was interesting
Was that Batum was playing well and Travis wasn’t so Nate went almost immediately back to Batum. If Batum can become more consistent then the battle will be between Martell and Travis for the remaining minutes.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jan 4, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
Nic will be the full time starter in 2 years based primarily on his defense. If his offensive game continues to develop, he’ll be another Tayshaun Prince. I am very impressed with him.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 4, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Right On souther oregon
Still can’t figure out why Nate put Outlaw in in the 2nd half. If it didn’t work before, why jump to it in the 2nd half…
Let RudyMania Reign!!
by DowntownChinatown on Jan 5, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions
This one wasn't in our grasp.
We just got outplayed and out-shot. It’s a loss, they happen. Nothing to fret too heavily about.. our undermanned team lost to the Western Conference champs in their arena.
watching the second half hurt me in different places
"shaq and zach randolph have the same trainer... "
best one liner i ever heard.
Mike and Mike were hilarious tonight
Sharing brownies with Jack Nic was hilarious
"Another spam message pops up. It gets trapped. Nowhere to go. To the recycle bin. RIP CITY BABY." --Ben describing Schonz checking his email.
-1 for using hilarious twice
"Another spam message pops up. It gets trapped. Nowhere to go. To the recycle bin. RIP CITY BABY." --Ben describing Schonz checking his email.
yeah, but then he wined about it
“and their thanking HIM!” thats cus jak pimped you rice
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
The best part of the game . . .
was when MIke Rice started declaring how long it would take for different Blazer players to knock out Sasha Vujacic in a boxing match. That was hilarious. Hilarious. HILARIOUS.
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
by Fund A Mental on Jan 5, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
Someone help me from kicking
my Steve Blake bobble-head across the room.
Ouch, just a devastating game for our point guard.
Sergio didn’t fair much better.
We just couldn’t find a rythm outside of Batum and LMA.
I was pleased by GO’s play tonight, the guy was getting great possition all night.
Rudy….put him in the Blake column…..what was their combined shooting?
"RIP: UserID: 553"
I keep enemy bobble heads in my room so i don't feel bad about kicking them.
"Another spam message pops up. It gets trapped. Nowhere to go. To the recycle bin. RIP CITY BABY." --Ben describing Schonz checking his email.
I went to the game
BTW, sorry I have neglected the board for 2 weeks. got it off work been travelling.
I think what we REALLY need is a second scorer. Now I know you can say LMA. But at the same time, he cant get a shot on his own. He is an excellent player, don’t get me wrong, and he really should be our second leading scorer. We need a player at any position (preferably SF or PG) that can get a shot at will. Doesnt have to be a heavy scorer, but someone that can penetrate the lane and finish (J-Rex does the penetration but not the finish) or someone that can get a good shot up in a one on one situation. Someday I really hope this is Greg. He has the tools, all the lacks is decisiveness and aggressivness (sounds eerily like Yao’s first year). Basically we need someone like Travis but who can actually finish and/or dribble.
Now who do I think we should get? I have no idea. Its late, I was screaming at Blake to make at least one shot tonight, and fending off Laker fans like they were zombies and I was in Dawn of the Dead. Yes their IQs are about that of a zombie.
Ideas?
Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 4, 2009 10:53 PM PST reply actions
shotgun?
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Hey your not alone
I was thinking about it too. With out B-Roy we don’t have that player that consistently step up. The win over Boston was cuz everybody stepped up as they learned that Roy wont play, and the opponent is Celts.
Just look at Cavs they got Mo Williams to take off pressure off LBJ. We need that player also.
I know we need to be patient with our young players and wait till they develop. But who knows if B-Roy or Oden will want to stay with the Blazers if they cant bring in the right players.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I mean in the end does not B-Roy want to be champions?
If the Blazers cant make it happen for them then we might loose them. I know this sounds like im panicking but the reality is that this world is not stable, and we need to stabilize the blazers.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
im pretty confident that pritchards got this
right now were just identifing the problems, the cure will come long before its fatal
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
How can you be so sure?
I know KP has done nice job in drafting, but I will have to wait and see if he can make a good trade.
If KP can pull something out like the Lakers did in getting Gasol, or at least Cavs in getting Mo Williams, then i will call KP, a basketball guru.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
Trading for Roy and LMA not enough for you?
I know KP has done nice job in drafting, but I will have to wait and see if he can make a good trade.
How soon we all forget.
I know this sounds like im panicking but the reality is that this world is not stable, and we need to stabilize the blazers.
Dude, you are panicking big time. Calm down. If you take the best player off ANY team in the league, this is what happens. It happened to the Heat last year, if Kobe or LeBron went down the L*ckers/Cavs would be lucky to pull an 8 seed. Take a deep breath, in 7-10 days, we’re fine. If for some horrible reason it’s substantially more than 7-10 days, then we’ll be debating the merits of Greg Monroe vs. Blake Griffin/hoping Rubio declares. That’s how it goes sometimes, but in the long run, we’ll be fine. This team is not winning a championship this year, in fact I’d be shocked/overjoyed if we got a trip to the conference semis. The first round is the reasonable goal for this season.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 4, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions
As I said KP got players from the draft, and to me it does not matter how he got them trading or drafting them.
To me I want to see if KP can bring a very good player that wont disrupt the chemistry and gives us the window to win in the future and still be really good now.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
With Roy
this team is really good now and has a window in the future. Of course the team will struggle when they’re missing their best player, so would every single team in the league if you took their MVP out of the lineup. I don’t know what you’re expectations for this season were/are, but I get the impression you think the Blazers should be in the running for the WCF at least. That is simply not going to happen, with or without Roy. Be patient, and enjoy watching this team grow up together.
BTW, maybe that’s what you meant, but what you said was you wanted to see if KP could make a good trade. Not really fair to omit trades that netted the 2 best players in a draft class because they happened on draft day and not after the first practice of training camp
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 4, 2009 11:57 PM PST up reply actions
ehh
he traded for lma and roy i believe…he traded for james jones, rudy fernandez, and frye. he’s done a fabulous job and has been in talks for exec of the year…what more could you want out of him? he has done a fine job so far…its up to nate and the team to do the rest.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
Thank you
for listing the other trades I omitted (and there are some beauties in there). Look, watching the Blazers lose to the L*ckers frustrates me as much as any other fan, I just am getting incredibly frustrated with the notion that anything short of 82-0 and (quoting Moses Malone) “fo, fo, fo” (add another fo for the extra round since Big Mo’s day) through the playoffs is an abject failure. I can’t wait to see the “bring back Reuben” posts if we lose 3 in a row – in short, calm down people.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 5, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions
np
kp has given us a group of guys that we can be proud of…he not only has turned this team into something that the city can believe in, but he has turned it into something our owner could believe in. things weren’t looking good for awhile, and if kp wasn’t here the blazers might have left town. he turned a team that was the laughing stock of the nba to a team that is dreaming of championships….even before we have even played a single playoff game. he is responsible for selling out the rose garden with brandon roy headlining when fans were wanting to draft the ’stache. he is the man who opened his arms to all the fans who deserted the team and packing the bandwagon full of fans sitting shoulder to shoulder. i could go on and on…
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 5, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That sums it up
This is a team that we as fans can expect great things from, and rightfully so. But think about how bad it was/how far the franchise has come, and I would argue that even if it doesn’t result in a ring, the KP era was a huge success.
Also, stop making me agree with you, you dirty Sergio backer :)
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 5, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
honestly
i strayed away from the team during the sheed days…even while we were winning. i just couldnt support that team. i promised myself that i’d return once we got rid of sheed and the others. so i rejoined once we got ratliff and i was really excited then even tho we were at an all time low. part of the fun now is the ride from the lows we experienced. its the lows that made me appreciate the times we have now. i agree even if we don’t win this has already been a success. this team may not be as successful or talented as the drexler era teams…but they are quickly making me believers again.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 5, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions
So im saying that KP should continue improving the team
I want to improve the team now cuz we have the option to with Lafrentze. And I bet KP sees that there is no one that can step up for Roy on consistent basis. Even KP said that he does not like to sit on his hands, he is the person of movement.
This will be an opportunity for me to see if KP can make a trade for an established player not draft rookies or trade for rookie. James Jones was not that good cuz we would of kept him, and Frye is not that good and it looks like we might trade him.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
sitting still
will improve this team. they are young and will improve…its natural. kp has also said he doesn’t want to make a trade before the deadline. james already served his purpose here in mentoring our small forwards and we didn’t retain him bc of the log jam we have at that spot. frye may not be that good, but the deal was a package deal…losing zach was well worth picking up francis, jj33, frye, and rudy. we are playing .600 ball where our players have a ton of potential left in them. we don’t need to be making trades for the sake of making trades unless we get an offer we can’t refuse.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 5, 2009 5:43 AM PST up reply actions
Wrong
James Jones was not that good cuz we would of kept him
I know you’re a fan of the team/entitled to your opinion, but that is patently wrong. James Jones was a great fit with the Blazers, Miami overpaid for him, but that doesn’t devalue the contributions he made while in Portland.
Okay, they’ve lost 2 games in a row, that doesn’t mean it’s time to junk a long term plan for an overpriced vet because it would make some people feel better. If a deal is out there that makes sense, KP will make it, but I’d rather have no deal, miss the playoffs, and keep the long term plan intact than trade young talent for rent a players that equate to a first round exit, reduced cap room, and a worse future.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
Four rookies in the rotation, three starting, best player on the bench agains the best team in the league.
What really was supposed to happen here tonight?
Blazers lost by 15 and looked for a half an the rookies look like they still got some larnin’ to do.
Big whoop.
No surprise
The Lakers have lost once at home all year. We played tough, our shots just didn’t fall. They are the better team this year…when Brandon is out.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 4, 2009 11:06 PM PST up reply actions
A good effort by the rooks
Steve cant operate without Brandon,Travis and Channing average about 1 rebound every 10 or 15 minutes,might be some room for improvement there
by southern oregon on Jan 4, 2009 11:18 PM PST up reply actions
im ok with the loss
and i like what i saw of aldridge, we need him to be “that” guy when brandons down. if he can continue to do that, and improve his effectiveness, and defence, and be “that” guy, we will have a more confident team. the thing is that everybody on the teams feals like theres a chance to win of roys on the court. he makes players better becouse he instills confidence, they can bring their best game, theirs hope for a win. lma is so streaky….
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
thats not true
steve did fine against boston without brandon.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions
point taken
Steve was off tonite and so was Rudy but I dont want to trade them
by southern oregon on Jan 4, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
im going to give rudy
the benefit of the doubt and say its due to the rookie wall. hes clearly been slowing down and slumping as of late. other than the past few games nic has been on the downswing as well. glad hes starting to play well again tho.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions
amazing huh
i kant wait to watch the game again, batum looked pretty decent, hes gonna be higly valued. any chance martell comes back with some reputable handles? that sure would be useful
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Losing Streak
OMG its a losing streak.
Lets all panic at the disco!
What I learned from the team while Roy is not playing is that
They are not ready for the big stage. We dont have that player that can consistently step up.
Spurs: if Duncan is out they have Parker or the 6 man to step up consistently.
Cetls: Have big 3 that can substitute for each other on a regular basis.
Will Blazers have that player, and will our big 3 be better that other big 3 of other teams?
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
i dont understand
why someone new could step up at any given point last year….yet this year we are not seeing the same thing.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions
maybe cuz we have new players this year
Or maybe cuz the team did not rely on Roy so much last year.
I think that Oden did not benefit LMA as we thought. Who really benefits from Oden is Roy, and when he is not on the court, nobody benefits.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
I also think that the team stepped up cuz they did not have all that pressure
Now since Oden returned they have to learn how to win under pressure and expectations.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
good points
i agree that we did not rely on roy as much last year. he was more passive last year, and we wanted to see more of a “killer instinct” from him this year…we got that, but it came at the expense of production from everyone else. i guess thats why kobe had such little success during the lakers rebuilding until they started playing as a team…i dunno, or maybe no one else is just stepping up. it could also be that last year…they were gunning for the playoffs…and this year the are “in the mix” for the playoffs and have just a teeny bit more emphasis on development (greg in starting lineup for example).
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions
im in perfect agreement
i really, really, thought aldridge was gonna be as good, if not better then roy. all this new found doubt really hurts my sole.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
Jump passing is back
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by Norsktroll on Jan 5, 2009 1:09 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
And yet very rarely does it work..
Lakers had about 4 turnovers on jump passes alone. Then Fisher started reading the cross court from under the hoop pass and took that away.
Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 5, 2009 10:45 AM PST up reply actions
In the second quarter
I said to my wife I said, “I think Bayless and maybe Oden are the only scorers on the floor.”
I think Rudy needs to go back to the second unit and start Bayless until Roy is back. I don’t think Bayless has earned the starting spot, but it seems like the best way to neutralize Sergio is to not play Rudy with him. If Outlaw isn’t hitting his shot, there is no one in the second unit who can get their own shot.
this can be a good move
The first unit has more scorers, and it’s true that Rudy has not changed his playing style when playing at 2.
The Bayless/Sergio combo lacks of three point shooting and it’s not working well, starting Bayless instead of Roy, and playing a second unit with Sergio/Rudy consistent minutes will probably work better.
Free Sergio!
Yeah, but I still wonder how well Bayless will do with the 1st unit
Maybe Nate should bench Blake and start Sergio with Rudy.
Well
We’re really deep as long as our bestest player in the world of Blazersdom isn’t injured.
The Lakers are deep. Are they as deep if they are starting Vujacic instead of Kobe? I know it’s been said and is obvious, but we’re still a deep team— just not deep with playmakers like Roy.
Sergio can make plays, but only when people are hitting jumpers and against a defender who doesn’t realize Sergio either never shoots or can’t shoot. Bayless ain’t seen enough time in the world to know what he can do, but right now he ain’t a surefire playmaker. If Steve Blake is your best playmaker, you won’t do well most nights.
But, again, same for the Lakers. Without Kobe they gotta go to Lamar to make plays and he’s just as likely to do a great play as a total boneheaded one. Going through Gasol is better than us going through LMA to create offense, but still the same problem— no way to create consistent offense without a perimeter player who can get others going and be a great threat himself.
The Lakers are a better version of us, so it isn’t completely equal, but still the same.
We’re deep, but with Bayless and Rudy as rookies, we can’t handle Roy being out and expect to even look decent against one of the two best teams in the league. We got the fluke win against Boston, but that’s from the 1-game “no-star-player” bump that confuses the opposing team and inspires the team missing their player. It never lasts.
Mortimer
I'm not buying it
The Blazers will be deep next year or maybe even towards the end of this year, but they are not deep now. I don’t care how good the rookies are, a team that gives this much playing time to four rookies is not deep. I’m cool with it and know it’s all part of the master plan. I also know that two starters are injured. I think we should include experience, with the team and in the NBA, when we consider depth.
But still
In NBA terms, even with 4 rookies who play, we ARE deep.
Take the Jazz, the Mavs, the Hornets, Spurs, Nuggets, Suns, anyone aside from the Lakers in the West. Our bench is better than their bench, our backup center better than their backup center (and sometimes their starting center), some of those teams would kill to have Sergio or Bayless or ANYONE who can be a backup PG, and none have scorers as talented as Outlaw and Rudy (aside from Manu and Jason Terry, who is perfect as a just-offense guy).
Most of them have 1 or 2 good bench players, but a steep dip in talent after their 7th or 8th man. The Hornies got Posey and an old Antonio Daniels, and then nuthin (even though I like Julian Wright). The Suns got Grant Hill. The Nuggets got the overrated streaky Kleiza. The Mavs got one of the better benches with Jason Terry and Diop. After Manu the Spurs are loveable scrubs.
We got more impact players from 1 to 12 than most any other team and our bench is usually better than the other team’s bench, but our starters aren’t always as good as the starters for those other teams. The Suns bench ain’t good at ALL, but over a season Amare/Nash/Shaq/Richardson is better than Roy/LMA/Oden (for now). What starting lineup are we CLEARLY better than out of the West’s playoff contenders?
We’re deep overall, but our starting 5 is shallower than any other Western playoff team I’d say. BUT, that is all experience wise, not talent wise. Roy/Oden/LMA and SF and PG to be named later will be dye-no-mite.
Maybe it depends on how you define “deep”, but I define it as having the best players and talent that actually play consistent minutes throughout a game. You’re 100% right, our experience is outclassed by anyone, but our 6th to 12th man are better than most anyone— even right now.
It’s our dang starters that need to gain experience and stuffs to match up with the other western playoff teams— namely, Oden and LMA and whoever becomes our SF.
We’re deep as my momma’s backfat though.
Mortimer
We kind of lost track of my first comment, I said "too deep" instead of "deep"
I don’t think you can have too much depth and the Blazers are not too deep. If the Blazers were too deep, they would at least have 7 players deserving of starting. They have a lot of guys who could start on crappy teams but they’re not stepping up and making the coach give them more minutes.
Oh oh oh oh oh
I agree, totally.
For whatever reason they aren’t that many “OMG WE NEED TO CONSOLIDATE TALENT” trade posts right now, but I can’t imagine why.
As long as no one is being a headache (and Frye and Diogu, in contract years no less, are handling it better than they could possibly be expected to), you can’t be too deep. Injuries do a nice job of un-deepening a team.
In a few years I think we can withstand losing a Roy or Oden for short stretches, but you and me agree. We are not so deep as to need to consolidate players to make the rotations clearer… especially when certain roles have not been taken by players outright.
Mortimer
Agreed
We have players who are pushing for playing time for their development or because the guy in front of them is stinking it up. To me a deep team has guys that are pushing for playing time because they are either challenging the starter for the starting spot, or they bring something that no one else does and the coach is compelled to find him more minutes.
There have been games where only Rudy’s play demands more minutes and the team would be better off if LA, Joel, and Blake could play 48 minutes a game.
I think that could have a double bonus effect..
It helps rudy stay with sergio (even tho sergio has sucked something fierce lately) and it might just bring a bit of confidence to J-Rex. Nate needs to do a few things with him tho.
1st – Let him know its ok to take mid range jumpers like Brandon. Jerryd excelled at those in college.
2nd – Remind him that when he goes to the basket to CAUSE contact. Dont expect it to be there. Teams are learning that he isnt driving with intent to score but intent to get fouled. At the last second they back up and put their arms straight up and rex cant get the ball in the hoop.
3rd – Let him know he wants to see aggressiveness on defense and offense. I wanna see him dunk on someone when going to the rack. Believe me, kid can get up. And on defense, he gets down in his stance and plays in front of his man, thats all well and good, but when they pick the ball up, get in their face like highschool. Who cares if he gets a few fouls, rudy will get most of the minutes, but remind the other team it aint gonna be easy.
4th – DONT PULL HIM AFTER HE MISSES A SHOT. Show the kid some confidence! While he has played crappy the last few weeks, we can all admit the improvement of sergio from last year to now is massive. because nate believed in him
Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 5, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions
Mike and Mike and maybe Quick have mentioned
That Bayless plays with the 1st unit during practice when Roy sits out, so it isn’t that big of a jump to think he could take Rudy’s place to secure that great 2nd unit’s chemistry.
Rudy is a better player but him and Blake mean zero point zero zero ability to penetrate and create a shot. Bayless is raw, but he can get to the hole and create problems for the defense. It could work.
Why doesn’t Roy stop having his period and just get back on the court?
Mortimer
That's what I've thought since the Boston game.
Rudy for ROY
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