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Bynum potentially out for the rest of season

So I love how for the entire first half of the season us Blazer fans have had to hear about how Greg Oden was Sam Bowie 2 and that he was this big injury risk and a huge bust.

Yet Andrew Bynum was heralded by Laker fans as the next great center to play in the west and that he would be dominating for years, despite the fact that what was originally supposed to be a 4-6 week injury last year ended up keeping Bynum out for the rest of the year.

Now tonight Bynum gets hit by Kobe in the OTHER knee, is seen laying on the ground literally shrieking in pain and is helped off of the court.

Meanwhile Greg has played in every game since he returned, and while he definitely has a ways to go physically to be all the way back, I think we can all agree that how Greg looks right now is night and day to how he looked at the start of the season.

I hope Greg finally has shrugged off the "injury bust" label (although it takes more than one full year for that to be the case) and that everyone in the national media finally realizes that when you are 7 feet tall your knees and legs just are that much more susceptable than the average joe.

While I don't hope for a long term injury to Bynum (who am I kidding, he is a Laker, it's hard for me to feel THAT sorry for him) I would much rather have Greg, a rookie who is still learning but has shown to be fairly healthy once he got on to the court vs a guy who looks like he is going to have to have a second major surgery on his knees... that would make me uncomfortable.

Edit to add: I am in no way advocating gloating or celebrating Bynum's injury, but instead pointing out how the attitude in coverage in Bynum vs Oden and their respective injuries has been completely unfair.

Edit 2: Update - Bynum now officially out 8-12 weeks. If I had to guess we won't see him on an NBA court until next year, he was notoriously slow at recovering from a knee injury last year, I doubt he will magically recover quicker this time.

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agreed

bad karma, get well soon Mr. Bynum

by SalemORguy on Jan 31, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Not so much about

Karma as it is good times. I want to see every team with a full roster because it makes the NBA a more exciting place. I like to see the Bynum vs. Oden matchup. That way when Oden dominates we can claim he is sooooo much better :) not just uninjured.

by The Natural ala Mode on Feb 2, 2009 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

rec

GO ANDREW BYNUM! Heal fast…I can’t afford to have bad karma for Greg Oden.

The Kings have the best bench I’ve seen. There are easily 14 guys on this team good enough for every bench in the league. Now if we could only get some starters, I’d totally jizz in my pants.

Kings fan

by dyshooter182 on Jan 31, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

really?? really?

and aren’t you on a break?

You really think that’s there are some kind of basketball gods that are going to smite Greg Oden because we noted that Bynum is injured?

Man I would be happy if no one on this site ever used the word “karma” again. Not going to happen, I know…

by Section323 on Feb 1, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions  

yeah, isn't it a little self-centered

to think that the basketball Gods care about what one person says on some site? and that’s assuming you believe in God in the first place…

by Bust a Bucket on Feb 1, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions  

Did you get to touch the game ball?

"Only dunk and go to the defense." Rudy Fernandez

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 1, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Nope

It went right through my seat, too, but I was walking laps on the concourse. Oh, well. Everyone around me was happy.

by Section323 on Feb 1, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think it's bad karma but it is in bad taste

Just because a fan is happy someone got hurt, it doesn’t mean something will happen to his favorite team. I’m sure a lot of Steelers fans celebrated when Brady went down. Like I said in the title though, it is bad taste. Bynums injury shouldn’t be made into an Oden issue. They are two different players for two different teams, and their injuries have nothing to do with one another. Blazers fans shouldn’t be so petty.

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by tominhawaii on Feb 1, 2009 3:14 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

PS

I don’t think it’s a big deal if a fan is happy a player is out, just don’t be happy for the reason he is out.

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by tominhawaii on Feb 1, 2009 3:17 AM PST up reply actions  

He sounded upbeat postgame

Obviously they don’t know the full scope, but I’d rather beat all the L*ckers than listen to “if we had…”

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Jan 31, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

Plus

never wish injury on someone/celebrate an injury, it’s poor form

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Jan 31, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Excatly...

Diskord you better be knocking on wood right now.

by BlazerFN on Jan 31, 2009 9:57 PM PST reply actions  

As said in the game thread, the x-rays were negative (i.e. a good sign), but only the MRI will tell tomorrow or once there is no more swelling

http://lakersblog.latimes.com/

Very little information to report (especially since I’m in my living room, not in Memphis), but Andrew Bynum hurt his right knee in the first quarter, after a driving Kobe fell into him under the Grizzlies’ basket. On the replay, it looked like Bynum’s knee was bent straight back (the direction knees aren’t supposed to go), and Bynum was clearly in a great deal of pain, but I’m certainly not going to make a diagnosis from my couch.

On the television broadcast, KCAL’s John Ireland said Bynum would get some x-rays (UPDATE: They were negative, but that really doesn’t mean much) at FedEx Forum, and then the following:

“The preliminary diagnosis is that he has a sprianed right knee. He is done for tonight, will not return. he will undergo an MRI and more tests tomorrow in New York. I’m told that they probably won’t get a lot of information from the x-ray here. They’re going to take a look anyway. More tests tomorrow in New York. Sprained right knee for now, definitely out for the rest of the night.”

Rarely is anything learned about these sorts of things until the next day, at the earliest, when the results of more tests can be seen. Obviously it’s not good news. How bad remains to be seen. So you know, it’s not the same knee Bynum injured last season.

I would guess he will miss games, but it’s unclear if it is more than a sprain.

by Norsktroll on Jan 31, 2009 9:58 PM PST reply actions  

That does not look good

He is in a lot of pain. I’d be surprised if he’s back in the next couple weeks. Although, knee injuries are funny in that they can be really painful yet still not be that serious…we’ll see

by Illmatic88 on Feb 1, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

When I first saw it, it looked like Kobe hit him from the side, which would be an almost certain major injury...

……………………………. Watching it a few more times, it looks like he hit him mostly from the front, so hopefully Bynum will get lucky and avoid another season-ender…

By the way, Bynum IS the next Dwight Howard at the Center position. Oden aspires to the #3 slot…

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by timbo on Feb 1, 2009 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Aspires is the wrong word

Aspires means striving for a lofty goal. Oden’s goal is to be the best center of all time…while unlikely it’s still what he aspires to be.

by Gelvalst on Feb 1, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions  

You're

kidding right? Oden would put up 20 and 15 on a lesser team and even more if he was fed by a triple teamed Kobe. Bynum is overhyped in his 4th year. 42 is amazing and raised the bar for him but he is not anywhere near Oden’s potential or Howard’s current dominance. Bynum is fighting Lopez for #3.

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by Idog1976 on Feb 1, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

One line is better than the other...

Andrew Bynum 29.1 mpg. - .558 fg% - .703 ft% - 8.20 rpg - 1.87 blocks - 3.0 fouls pg - 14.0 ppg

Greg Oden 23.2 mpg. - .557 fg% - .639 ft% - 7.20 rpg - 1.10 bpg. - 3.9 fouls pg - 8.9 ppg.

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by timbo on Feb 1, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh MAN...

that did not look good. Get well soon AB.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
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My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
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by johnv59 on Feb 1, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not a fan of injuries

I think of this more like cosmic karma for what he did to Gerald Wallace.

Chris Dudley for three!

by wilbjammin on Jan 31, 2009 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

was thinking the same thing

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jan 31, 2009 11:19 PM PST up reply actions  

It's cosmic karma only insofar as basketball is a contact sport, injuries happen, and random events can be funny...

Just like Bynum wasn’t trying to hurt Wallace, Kobe wasn’t trying to hurt Bynum. It just happened, as these things do…

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by timbo on Feb 1, 2009 9:53 AM PST up reply actions  

maybe Kobe was

tying to hurt Bynum….

he’s been having some pretty big games

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8DgWnbVng&feature=bz303
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by Portland89 on Feb 2, 2009 2:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I am going to agree with you - I still think what he did to Wallace was closer to Assault & Battery. Just my opinion.

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by LaMarvelous on Jan 31, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Completely agreed

Not rooting for his injury, but I’m not going to sit here and say the universe was wrong here.

by Garces on Feb 1, 2009 2:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Now Kobe needs

the same kind of “cosmic kharma” for what he did to AB

by two4larue on Feb 1, 2009 8:32 AM PST up reply actions  

hmmm....

all this karma talk is creeping me out, but you have a point

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 1, 2009 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

and a follow up point

if he had been suspended by the NBA for a couple of games, like he should have been, then he wouldn’t have got hurt….

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 1, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

OOOOH

wow what a great point! Very insightful! :) +1. League should have suspended Bynum and it would have saved him ironically.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Feb 1, 2009 1:30 PM PST up reply actions  

How was a I celebrating or wishing injury on someone?

I feel bad for the kid, and if he was on any other team I would feel REALLY bad for him, it’s just hard for me to pour out tears for a Laker.

That aside, I was pointing out the hypocisy that has been the coverage of “Oden as an injury bust” while Bynum looks to have 2x as many problems as Oden, yet gets heralded as the next best thing…

by diskord on Jan 31, 2009 10:01 PM PST reply actions  

I didn't think you were

just making a general observation. Sorry if it came across as an attack, my bad if that was the case.

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Jan 31, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

It was stupid by some members of the media to make such a drama about Greg's ankle sprain at the beginning of the season

But having a player falling into you like in this case also hardly qualifies as “injury prone”. With the injuries Bynum and Greg had, neither should be labelled that just yet. At the moment I’m more worried about Martell’s foot than Greg’s knee.

by Norsktroll on Jan 31, 2009 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

But you forget that when Bynum was initially hurt last year

He was only supposed to miss 4-6 weeks, and the timetable on his return kept getting pushed back, and back, and back, and finally he just never came back.

While thats not “injury prone” the difference in recovery time when compared with how quickly Greg has came back from possibly the worst surgery a basketball player can have…

Remember when Greg rolled his ankle in week 1, and chicken little’s in the media started saying how Greg might be the worst draft day decision since Bowie… yet Bynum goes down and we hear how “upbeat and optimistic” he is and how he will probably be back in a day or 2.

I just wish Portland could get some fair and balanced national media coverage, instead of treating us like some backwater hick town where they demean and talk down to us every chance they get.

by diskord on Jan 31, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions  

He dislocated his kneecap and was misdiagnosed/mistreated initially in LA until they sent him to a specialist in NY

Very different injury, and he was out half a year. The media focuses more on Greg since “missed his first year with micro-fracture surgery” is the standard narrative.

by Norsktroll on Jan 31, 2009 10:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I understand what you are saying...

But I am a firm believer in superstition. Its just bad karma.

by BlazerFN on Jan 31, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions  

I didn't get that read either

from your post. You weren’t celebrating his injury, just making a good point.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 1, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions  

YES

Please don’t, if you do, everyone will blow out their ACLs in practice tomorrow.

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Jan 31, 2009 10:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Bad karma, bad form,

makes you a bad person, take your pick.

by nikolokolus on Jan 31, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions  

do I have to pick one

or can I chose two of them (like bad form and bad person)???

by Bust a Bucket on Jan 31, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions  

What the media think and write regarding

the two players is amorphous and irrelevant. Assuming Bynum is out until the playoffs, I’d rather hear hear who everyone thinks will finish with the best record in the West.

Not that I’m trying to hijack the thread or anything… I think all the karma comments have killed it already anyway.

by MiledAnimal on Jan 31, 2009 10:26 PM PST reply actions  

I think that with or without Bynum the rest of the regular season

the Lakers still take the #1 seed in the West. To me the bigger question if he comes back for the playoffs is how much can he give you in terms of playing time and prodution.

by tingeyga on Jan 31, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Seems like Bynum was pretty confident it's not that bad in his postgame interview

"I was able to pick my leg up, which kinda saved me from you know a real major damage to the knee. [you were saying this feels better than last year and you can actually put pressure on it] Yeah I can put pressure on it. I can walk. I don’t need the crutch. It’s just they want me to keep pressure off it. [how you feeling right now what are your thoughts] I’m definitely feeling optimistic, I can’t wait to return, supposedly it’s not gonna be as bad as last year, I’m not gonna miss all that time."

by Norsktroll on Jan 31, 2009 10:31 PM PST reply actions  

why was he crying like a baby then?

does he have a low pain tolerance or what?

the way he reacted made it look a lot worse, but maybe he’s just a baby?

by Bust a Bucket on Jan 31, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions  

why do people do this?

you say rek—forget the fact that you intentionally mispell it—but then you don’t rec.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Jan 31, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

god i must be real cranky today.

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Jan 31, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I did actually REK it

if you’re in the thread when somebody REKs a comment, it doesn’t show up until you leave the thread and come back… but I swear I did…

by Bust a Bucket on Jan 31, 2009 11:50 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry :)

Please, for the love of all that is holy, please stop using the following: "Book it.", "FTW", "Epic" & "Fail".

...no seriously--stop.

by nima on Feb 1, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

it's cool...

Jscot said the same thing to me once and that’s how we discovered how to have to refresh to see ’em…

by Bust a Bucket on Feb 1, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

crabby pants

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 1, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions  

like your sig by the way

you need to add “domestic” and “La Familia” to it….

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 1, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

spooky

"Only dunk and go to the defense." Rudy Fernandez

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 31, 2009 11:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Take that David Stern

You just went from K*be vs LeBron or Lakers vs Celtics to the Spurs.

by as11osu on Jan 31, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions  

now it's going to be

Orlando versus Portland… suck it Stern, you greedy chump.

by Bust a Bucket on Jan 31, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions   2 recs

trust me,

Oden vs Howard would be a decent consolation prize for the big cheese.

by premthegrem on Jan 31, 2009 11:14 PM PST up reply actions  

that would be

RIGHTEOUS

Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by aryamehr on Jan 31, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions  

im not entirely sure why...

considering how im an epic blazer homer, but i legitimately feel bad for andrew. that is just pure, concentrated rotten luck juice. did you see kobe’s face on the video? he looked like he wanted to puke.

Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by aryamehr on Jan 31, 2009 11:13 PM PST reply actions  

vujacic is a woman

no offense to women, btw. they’re significntly more put together than little miss sasha.

Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

by aryamehr on Feb 1, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

Kobe felt terrible, he just stayed their and conceded the possession, which I thought was classy... (And Memphis didn't score 5-on-3, so karma THAT...)

Don’t be cocky, Blazer fans, just like Blake going down was a blessing in disguise for the depth of this team, it may well be that a SHORT injury for Bynum will end with a stronger Laker team, as backups get bigger game minutes and refine their skills…

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by timbo on Feb 1, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions  

....there....

All I want for Christmas is an editable board. Let’s get with the 21st Century, SBNation!!!

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by timbo on Feb 1, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I have in mind Josh Powell, actually.

Odom will make use of the extra time also, he being in a contract year.

Agreed that if Bynum is out for the year, it’s a double minus for the Lakers. But if he’s down for 3 or 4 weeks, who’s to say…

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by timbo on Feb 1, 2009 8:13 PM PST up reply actions  

yep

I thought Kobe was going to cry, he looked real upset. You can just imagine what was going through his mind.

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 1, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I personally am not superstitious

But after how he laid out Gerald Wallace, I’m having a hard time mustering the empathy. Of course no one wishes him harm or for the injury to be any worse than the x-rays have so far shown, but his personality leaves much to be desired.

On that note, is it just me or is there a trend among young players that play under Phil Jackson? They all get cocky and arrogant, even to the point of back-bitting and implosion (Shaq / Kobe) until they actually get exposed to other coaches and realize that Jackson’s personal style isn’t a model for anyone. I recognize that same crap attitude emerging in Bynum that Kobe used to have. Jackson may be a successful coach, but he’s a real peice of work otherwise.

"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."

by Seijeff on Jan 31, 2009 11:25 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

The superiority complex

gets old quick, and Zen Master Phil is all about that. Phil is somewhat akin to an NBA version of John Thain/those other Wall Street tools – smart, attracts the best people around him, but completely self absorbed, unwilling to recognize that he could be wrong, and the first to bail after he runs the sip into the ground (I’m not bitter or anything)

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Jan 31, 2009 11:30 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

psst

typo in yr sig: “causalties” should be “casualties,” I suspect.

by Marvin100 on Feb 1, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Eeep

Typos, argh. Thanks, hopefully it updates soon

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be casualties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Feb 1, 2009 8:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Add MJ to that list...

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Feb 1, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Was the Gerald Wallace

thing intentional? I didn’t think it was. If not then why even bring it up, it’s not like he tried to kill him, he is just playing ball. Oden is bound to puncture a lung or two with those elbows, hopefully we don’t lose him for 8-12 weeks because of that!

by The Natural ala Mode on Feb 2, 2009 4:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Semi-related

When was the last time the Lakers won in Portland? Is it something like 6 games?

"Only dunk and go to the defense." Rudy Fernandez

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 31, 2009 11:37 PM PST reply actions  

Yeah, it's 6 games.

The streak started with that strange last game of the season in ’05 in which Telfair, Ha Seung-Jin and a very green Outlaw carried the Blazers to the win.

by Badalona Baddie on Jan 31, 2009 11:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Ok so if Bynum was out, does all that "we didn't win because Bynum was out"

Does that mean that they will simply roll over again these playoffs?

Before or after the finals?

by LaoTzu on Feb 1, 2009 12:02 AM PST reply actions  

I hate to say it but this feels

like some pretty good comeuppance for the bush league foul that Bynum laid on Gerald Wallace the other night that broke his rib and collapsed one of his lungs. If anyone was reaping the bad karma they sowed it was Andrew Bynum. Moral of the story is don’t be a jerk and lay down ridiculous fragrant fouls.

No player ever deserves to be hurt but if any player ever did need top sit out a few games for untoward actions it would be Bynum. I think the league should add a new policy that if you hurt someone with an intentional or fragrant foul that you have to sit out for as long as they are hurt. I guess this is Karma just taking care of that for the league :)

Go M's

by OBF on Feb 1, 2009 1:52 AM PST reply actions  

That sucks (honestly)

I hope Bynum is okay.

I agree the media made too big of a deal out of Oden’s ankle sprain, and Bynum’s injury last year was purty bad (and the recovery) and, to me, it is as much evidence of “injury proneness” as what has happened to Oden— meaning, not much evidence at all. They are both just things that happen, freak things, and aren’t bodies breaking down ala Yao and McGrady.

If Oden gets hurt from another normal, basketball, could-happen-to-anyone type injury, the media will be stupid again. Oden’s extra skin on his face (it ain’t wrinkles of course, just extra skin) makes him look older, which doesn’t help people’s perceptions about him durability wise too.

It’s annoying, but it’s just how it is. It would only be mildly ironic if Bynum proves to be the injury prone one out of the two, since it’s not like everyone criticized Oden’s injuries by contrasting him with iron man Bynum.

Maybe if Durant has a McGrady-type injury filled career, then the media’s obssession with Greg’s freak or normal injuries will go down as funnier (provided Oden is relatively healthy for a big man.)

I get what you were saying, Diskord, but we’re a sensitive group about other players getting hurt, even if they are a Laker. You weren’t gloating, just pointing out the double standard, so don’t worry. We just don’t wanna be a group that takes any delight in another player getting hurt, both out of trying to be good sports AND because of our own injury problems.

Bynum didn’t get hurt because of his bad foul on Wallace, but it’s more fun to think of it that way. One of our guys won’t get hurt if one of us takes delight in it, either. You’ll just go to Hell for it, which isn’t superstitious, it is fact.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Feb 1, 2009 3:44 AM PST reply actions  

If Andrew Bynum is injured for an extended period of time, then Pau Gasol will shift over to center and ...

Lamar Odom will start at power forward. Chris Mihm should receive approximately 8 to 12 minutes per game backing up Gasol, while Luke Walton should be removed from the starting small forward gig — with Vladimir Radmanovic is reinserted into the lineup — and transformed into Odom’s backup at power forward.

by AK1984 on Feb 1, 2009 4:59 AM PST reply actions  

In other words

They’ll be just as fine as they were last year when Bynum went out.

Which means, sadly, the Lakers will be in the Finals like a bunch of dumb jerks.

M—

by Mortimer on Feb 1, 2009 5:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Fixed

They’ll be just as fine as they were last year when Bynum went out.

Which means, sadly, the Lakers will be in the Finals bounced in the second round by the Blazers like a bunch of dumb jerks.

"Only dunk and go to the defense." Rudy Fernandez

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 1, 2009 5:26 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate when I do typos

I even previewed that post, and I still messed up.

If we face them in the playoffs, we win. We’ll own the homecourt, and steal one in LA.

KP came to me in a dream, telling me where to find some papyrus he left laying around my backyard thousands of years ago, predicting that event occurring. So it is written, so it shall be.

Mortstrodamus

by Mortimer on Feb 1, 2009 6:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Those few guys writing the bible couldn't agree on one version of the same story

Now imagine in two thousand years historians are digging out and reading old sports blogs. Now was Roy a saint or not. Was Kobe better than MJ, or was it LeBron, or was it Rudy. And why can’t we find out for sure if that Oden guy was injury prone or just conceived as an old man aging backwards? Heresies will happen over this imprecise gospel.

by Norsktroll on Feb 1, 2009 6:30 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Follow the Shoe!!!! Follow the holy Shoe!!!

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by timbo on Feb 1, 2009 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

LOL

very funny

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by johnv59 on Feb 1, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Certain Posters

use the word “Karma” to indicate the notion expressed more appropriately as “what goes around comes around,” “you reap what you sow,” or similar statements expressing a certain fear of retribution for one’s wicked thoughts or behaviors. The Vedic and Bhuddist use of the Karma concept, on the other hand, is more closely related to the element of predetermination and the obligation to meet certain requirements on one’s cosmic journey. Bynum’s knee injury may contain be an element of Karma whereas the impulse to see profit in another’s misfortune is an altogether different concept.

by oregonslee on Feb 1, 2009 10:19 AM PST reply actions  

Hope its OK to go off-topic, here

Definitions in Wikipedia link would differ and seem to suggest that karma is indeed more closely related to “reap what you sow”. Of course, Wikipedia cannot be considered a final authority, but what little knowledge that I have of Eastern religions does seem to agree with the WikiPedia description. Separately “Cause-n-Effect Karma” also seems to be used to adjudge that refs made bad calls when free-throws dont fall — ie Ball Dont Lie.

In this case, was “Cause-n-Effect Karma” acting against Bynum for his personal actions, or against Phil Jackson and the Lakers as a team for promoting such actions, or against David Stern and the NBA for not taking any action against Bynum? And will J Collins earn karmic displeasure for his “not-in-my-house” hard foul on Brandon Roy yesterday? Will Joel earn Karmic-Wrath because he is the Blazers enforcer? Dont we all wish Blazers shed their “soft” image — and will they then be due for Karmic-Bad? For that matter are the Blazers earning Karmic-Good for not being a hard fouling team?

by FromAfar on Feb 1, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm happy you did

I think you both have a point. Obviously, a deep philosophical understanding of a belief system’s fundamental theology would be difficult to truly understand without lots of study, introspection, or experience. Even if oregonslee wasn’t correct about Karma meaning something akin to destiny, he is probably going in the right direction by pointing out that our popular western usage of Karma is somewhat barbaric.

On the other hand even if Wikipedia was incorrect, it is the tome of common understanding. General understanding is likely to mirror that of Wikipedia’s description and for the sake of communication that can be the most important thing.

I’m just happy we’re talking about it because that means we care about understanding others more deeply than we would if we based our world understanding on Hollywood (or Bollywood for that matter).

To add my uninformed two cents: What if oregonslee is correct that Karma does refer to destiny, but FromAfar is correct by pointing out that we have the power to alter our Karma through the way we practice our life?

".. is gumby an alien?"

by staylost on Feb 1, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions  

And will J Collins earn karmic displeasure for his "not-in-my-house" hard foul on Brandon Roy yesterday?

Coach Sloan kharma

He teaches his players to play borderline dirty, wins over 50% of his games 21-22 seasons and has…no rings

You don’t really want to be like Jerry, do you Nate?

by two4larue on Feb 1, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

It could be the dreaded ACL rupture

Having had one of those myself, I know a bit about them. Hyperextention is a common mechanism for tearing that ligament, and it appears that Bynum’s knee did hyperextend. But the ligament may be just strained, not ruptured, because most often you can’t put weight on a knee that’s just lost its ACL. Possibly, as Bynum said, he managed to protect his knee at the last instant, thus sparing the ACL.

Of course, the MRI will tell the tale, and as I’m writing this, those results may already have been released…

As far as the karma aspect of gloating, I’m superstitious enough to be leery of that kind of thing. Plus, having had an ACL reconstruction and rehab, I would wish it on VERY few people. KOBE BRYANT is on that short list. But not Andrew Bynum. He’s not one of my faves by any means, but he doesn’t strike me as malicious. He just happens to play for the most despicable franchise in the universe.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Feb 1, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions  

An eerie thing...

In Dave’s what-if-we-went-after-Shaq thread the other day, TwoDeep said having Shaq would help alleviate his paranoia about GO reinjuring himself. I replied that even if GO led the Blazers to 8 titles in the next 10 seasons, TwoDeep would still be obsessed with GO’s supposedly fragile health. But that very night I had a dream, and it was a LOT like that video of Bynum injuring his knee. Except in my dream it was Greg Oden going down with the devastating knee injury, and it was the Rose Garden that was suddenly, eerily silent except for GO’s screams and the gasps of stunned Blazer fans.

Yeah: I hate the Lakers. But I’ve already lived that nightmare in my dreams, and I wouldn’t even wish it on those guys or their Tinseltown fans. Watching that video, I actually feel sorry for Kobe, and I didn’t think that was possible!

So get well soon, Andrew. Within a year or two, our Blazers will be beating your team straight up, with all players on both teams fit & healthy.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Feb 1, 2009 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

While I wish no one harm

and truley feel bad for Bynum, and Miles, when his knee gives up the ghost as well; I agree.
  Why isn’t Bynum a bust? is it because he doen’t look old?

Crazy National Media

We went like this, he went like that. I say to Hollywood: Where'd he go? Hollywood says: where'd who go?

by Black84GTI on Feb 2, 2009 2:10 PM PST reply actions  

Not good at all

 Out til late regular season/second round of the play-offs.

by BeloHorizante on Feb 2, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Last year they said he would return in a matter of weeks too, then the season was over

Lakers fans are having nightmares about Lamar Odom doing something stupid or Chris Mihm getting a lot of playing time tonight

by Norsktroll on Feb 2, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions  

um

bump?

Chris Dudley for three!

by wilbjammin on Feb 2, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions  

ooh

I’m going to remember that one. Nice way to bump yourself back to the top…

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Feb 2, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

It will be interesting now,

since the Lakers are the same team as last year except with the addition of a healthy Trevor Ariza. That could be all they need to get over the hump against whoever comes out of the east, (assuming that they make it to the finals, and don’t run into and under a freight train of trailblazers led by the Oden engine (that sucker’s rumored to notch 1 gazillion hp).

by premthegrem on Feb 2, 2009 2:57 PM PST reply actions  

Karma

"Only dunk and go to the defense." Rudy Fernandez

by Sabonis4Ever on Feb 2, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions  

I'd say we just stay away form this

I may be celebrating on the inside, but i’m not going to throw a big party because one of our west rivals suffered a big blow. I’d say to keep karma on our side we just hope once more that greg can stay healthy, amen

by StocktonNEP on Feb 2, 2009 4:54 PM PST reply actions  

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