Travis and Sergio farewell tour? (w/ Poll)
On February 20, 2009 at 7 pm PST, the Atlanta Hawks will take on the Portland Trail Blazers at the Rose Garden Area. The question is, will Travis Outlaw and Sergio Rodriguez be there?
Countdown to the "Trade Deadline"
Perhaps no two current Trail Blazers cause more controversy within the fanbase than Travis and Sergio. Both are young players who have shown flashes of brilliance and basketball playmaking ability, yet they also have a knack for pissing off fans due to inconsistency or inadequate overall skills. If they are not in the long term plans of Kevin Pritchard, there is a decent chance they will be traded before the February 19 trade deadline. The Blazers only play 8 games between now and then, with 4 of those at home.
These may be our final opportunities to see Travis and/or Sergio donning the red and black on our home court:
1/31 vs. Utah
2/8 vs. NY
2/11 vs. OKC
2/18 vs. Memphis
Seniorities Priorities
It's odd to think that Travis is the longest tenured Trail Blazer. We drafted him out of high school in 2003, and his first 5 years were 5 of the worst in franchise history (we have not had a record above .500 during Travis' tenure). If fact, Travis is probably one of losingest players in the NBA since he joined the league (the Blazers averaged nearly 50 losses per season from 2003-2008).
Today we sit in a very favorable position to make the playoffs for the first time since before Travis was drafted, but he might not get to stay around to experience what playoff basketball in the RG is like for someone on the home team. Since Travis has been around so long, should that factor into the decision on whether to trade him or not?
Spanish Disconnect
Sergio was the extra sweetener to our epic 2006 draft. He came over with the high expectations of possibly being our "PG of the future". Unfortunately things never really took off for Sergio. He has been stuck behind other guards and has never really gotten quality playing time until this season (and still only average 16 MPG).
Many have placed the blame for Sergio's non-emergence on Coach Nate. Does Sergio play the wrong style? Does Nate favor veterans over young PG? At the start of this season it looked like things might boil over when Sergio's Spanish agent took his grievances public. Sergio responded by playing better and Nate rewarded him with more minutes. Since Blake got injured Sergio has become the temporary starter. But the days of Blazers fans thinking Sergio is the "PG of the future" have come and gone and many think he will never be the long term starter if he stays on the team.
The Endgame
The trade deadline is fast approaching and the next couple of weeks could be the Blazers farewell tour for Travis and/or Sergio. Or not. KP will decide. If you had to take a stab at it, will Travis and/or Sergio be traded?
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i dont think there will be trade
if there is it will be in the off season, just my gut feeling
by Yawnie on Jan 30, 2009 10:33 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Depends on
1. What is offered by other teams.
2. What the other teams want.
Both are desired by other teams for good reason. Neither is untouchable. Neither is likely to be traded unless the deal is strongly to Portland’s advantage.
KP won’t sabotage this season:
1. Travis won’t go unless we get a backup PF at the same time, in all probability.
2. Sergio won’t go unless Steve is healthy or we get another PG at the same time.
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by jscot on Jan 30, 2009 10:55 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
#25
"There is one way that cutting off trade with a partner could help you," Wolfers explains. "And that's if you're an idiot. If you used to trade a lot with one partner, and they always got the better of you because you don't know what you're doing, then you're right, you would be better off not trading with them any more."
by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 30, 2009 11:07 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
<3
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 30, 2009 11:16 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
One of his best efforts.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 1, 2009 12:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
preach, brother!
If you agree with me: Good, I like being agreeable.
If you [think you] don't agree with me: You really do agree with me. You just haven't realized that I use sarcasm alot, so whatever you didn't agree with, take the opposite of it, and that's what I really mean.
by prezofdeath on Jan 31, 2009 12:48 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
The Meaningful Difference between Travis and Sergio
Absolutely! Both players display flashes of brilliance. But is that something the Blazers need? The answers vary on what is asked of each — many BEgers choosing Sergio’s flash over Travis’ side-winding. Here is why they are wrong:
Sergio is brilliant and he is crippling. Sergio gives up on the good pass for the better pass that might come along way past last call too often. He plays point. Nate or not, the point is where you need steadiness, where you initiate movement on offense, where a little brilliance has a hard time making up for getting the team off stride or giving up the easy fastbreak off the questionable entry pass.
Travis is brilliant and he can disappear. Travis is called on to come in and challenge defenses in stretches. He can play better offense than any player set to guard him can play defense. He doesn’t need extended minutes. He doesn’t need to start. He just needs to get Unleashed in important minutes and wreck the other team every few games.
With Travis, when he is brilliant, he is better than them, he goes on runs against championship contenders — he is a difference maker, a keeper. When Sergio is brilliant, Nate is thinking, okay, but if it comes with the same downside, that too must be taught out of the young man. Until Sergio can take over a game himself, his brilliance is just icing.
I like me some icing, but let’s win some rings, shall we?
by LaoTzu on Jan 30, 2009 11:10 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I would rather see flashes of consistency
by southern oregon on Jan 30, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Travis is clearly a scoring option for Nate
He’s often the 2nd or 3rd option, but several times this year, he’s been the first option in clutch moments.
Good: Vastly improved his accuracy from distance, very difficult to guard, major hops and starting to take closer to the basket before he shoots, can be clutch.
Bad: Gastly turnovers. We all cring if he’s going to pass, or doesn’t have a good shot. BBIQ
by 3pointer on Jan 30, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not enough clutch scorer without Travis
We will not win as many close games without Travis, he is impossible to guard driving to the basket and shoot from about 10 to 15 feet away. His defence is horrible aspecially on the weak side rotation in the key area, but I don’t want to see him leave.
by Sungari on Jan 31, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutly right on Travis, Absolutly wrong on Sergio
In my most humble opinion of course.
It’s also my opinion that your description of Travis’s game is so dead on it’s poetic.
as far as Sergio goes…
I don’t want steady from the point guard because that’s exactly what the other team wants. Would you rather see a steady point guard on the opposite team coming at you or a guy that you can’t control or anticipate? I’m going to go with, for my team, the slash and burn attacker. Sure you want a point to be able to pull it out and run some basic offense but that’s just another aspect of the game, I want both. I want a rapid attack mode too. And though I"m not saying give the ball away, I’m sure not afraid of a few more turnovers per game when I know the strong penetration and good transition game are going to be worth way more points to us than the turnovers will give to them. Plus it’s more fun to watch.
I think half the teams in the league are staying real quite about Sergio just waiting to steal him away from us and unleash him.
by Blazersaurus on Jan 30, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In the right situation Sergio could do well
I just dont think its here
by southern oregon on Jan 31, 2009 12:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's doing ok
with Blake out.
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by jscot on Jan 31, 2009 2:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the best kind of guard is one that can be unpredictable
and that is exactly what we have in Brandon Roy when he plays the point in the fourth quarter. But I think its not a factor of having a mindset of doing the unexpected simply because its something the other team can’t adjust to. I think it is a matter of having the skillset which allows the guard to execute plays that are hard to adjust to and that is why Brandon is so successful in that role.
Sergio just doesn’t have the wide array of abilities to force the other team to make drastic adjustments on the fly.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Jan 31, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm
sergio, bayless, rudy, travis, and przybilla, are all at risk according to the quick chat. unless sergio’s safe cuz of his new found starter status. 11 and 25 are valued by other teams, but so are the others. speaking with certainty is foolish, only the war room will know, I suspect that even quick, as important as he is, duznt really know. at best, he’s a mouthpeice for kevin to the fans to get them chattin, to get a feal of how were thinking, or to stir the fires a bit, the total remake of the team smacks of carring what the fanbase thinks, at worse, quicks a self important idiot. I have a redickulously hard time imagining quick with any REAL inside knowledge, like he might actually know just what team were even talking to. pfft whatever. kevin has not likely locked himself down to a trade or a team yet, he’s likly still fluid, but if he has, he’s even less likly tipped his hand to quick concerning any details that actually matter. of course, i could be wrong, and iv’e spent most of my life wrong, but to me, calling out sergio and travis as the trade bait, while succumbing to the confighns of quicks “insider” speculation, is simply a game of distraction, of mental masterbation, to keep us safly occupied, busy and buzing, while kevin is handling buiseness. the odds of any poster calling his play, espeshelly using the bones that have been “tossed” to us as a base or broth, are astonomicle, like tossing peices of a watch into the air expecting that sooner or later they might fall together a working watch, set to the correct time.
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 31, 2009 2:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the list except maybe Przy
Of course I assume this list is only of those who many might not want to see traded.
I just don’t think he’s going anywhere soon. If the guy could develop just a little more offense (not holding my breath) he’d be a sure lock
GO
THE TEACHER ......come into my classroom "THE PAINT" for some tutelage.
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by Blazer1342 on Jan 31, 2009 2:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was nice knowing you. Sniff.
P.S.: Now that would be ironic if the last home game was against Memphis and Miles, and he would still get paid by the Blazers while those two aren’t anymore.
by Norsktroll on Jan 31, 2009 8:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see both go depending on who we'd get in return, but I never get my way
Travis is too inconsistent in year six of his career. I mean when he’s a ten year vet, will you guys still be waiting for him to put it together? He is what he is.
Sergio can’t play defense and will always be a liability because of that. And he’s nowhere near great enough on offense to make up for it.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 31, 2009 9:04 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
its not sergios defence that truely makes him a liability,
its his complete lack of a realiable jump shot. his defence would be forgiven, since its not really as bad as people make it out to be, if he was hitting the three at 40%
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 31, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Spanish Connection
+ RLEC + No. 1 pick + Outlaw = Devin Harris & Vince Carter OR Josh Smith & Bibby
by oregonslee on Jan 31, 2009 9:25 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Get rid of Sergio
Trade him for anything. A trade exception, a 2nd round draft pick, anything to get rid of him. He’s not as good as Blake and is holding Bayless back.
by BlazerKoolAid on Jan 31, 2009 11:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Do people even read my posts?
I don’t know what games you’re watching but I’m not drinking your kool-aid as I prefer Sergio’s game to Blake’s. Bayless is still waaaaaaaay to inconsistent and is not ready to start. We’ve seen the glory that will be his future game it’s just not quite there yet. Let him learn and grow.
There will be no trades.
I appear to be the only one who still wants to sue Memphis and the League for the Miles fiasco.
by Blazersaurus on Jan 31, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are not the only one.
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Jan 31, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no your not, the otheres have gone underground and are just mounting an attack
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 31, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio Sucks
His defense is killing us. Plus he can’t shoot. I know these are just “generic” arguments, but they are completely true. How many more times do you want to see Sergio drive the lane and miss a layup, brick a three pointer, or let a guard just blow right past him. It’s frickin’ ridiculous. At least Blake and Bayless put effort in their defense.
I hope Sergio fools some unlucky team into offering something of value for him. Sergio is being showcased right now and should be the first to go.
by BlazerKoolAid on Jan 31, 2009 12:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like what you've said about Sergio...
but tell me about Travis… how bad is his defense?
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 31, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like Travis much either
But he fits his role much better than Sergio does. The main reason is because he can come off the bench in the backup PF spot and cause some major match-up problems for the other teams. His shooting is definitely a plus as well. HOWEVER, Nate needs to learn when to pull Travis when he’s not playing well.
by BlazerKoolAid on Jan 31, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Instead of benching Travis
maybe Nate just needs to make Travis wear a shock collar, so Nate can zap him when he makes a bad play.
That will teach him.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 31, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are disgusting.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 1, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
hey, i was actually sticking up for more playing time for Travis
BKA was saying that Nate needs to learn to pull Travis… I was trying to be creative and think of a way where he didn’t get benched.
Maybe I swung and missed trying to think of that solution, but I took a swing at it. You can’t fault that. Babe Ruth struck out a trillion times, so cut me some slack if I messed up once.
by Bust a Bucket on Feb 1, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure that's ethical....
But I’m all for it!
by BlazerKoolAid on Jan 31, 2009 2:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nate might want to check
with the People for the Ethnical Treatment of Animals before implementing that.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 31, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Crossing the line
li’l much there, sounds racist or at least supremely insulting
Blazer's fan since '84, Spurs fan when they are not playing Portland.
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by HurraKane212 on Jan 31, 2009 3:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what if Nate made Joel wear a sock collar?
then would we be back on the correct side of the line?
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 31, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so travis gets a shock collar and joel gets a sock collar? wow you ARE racist
calm down i’m only kidding.
by nima on Jan 31, 2009 10:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you and Sarah Palin are racist
not me…
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 31, 2009 10:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't wait until you get yourself banned.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Feb 1, 2009 12:07 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
oh come on
you know I hate racism Ann…
I voted for Obama and NO on Prop 8 (down in Cali). I never judge a person by their race, gender, sexual orientation, religion (ok, if they’re Mormon I might question them on a few things, but I do have several Mormon friends, so back off).
by Bust a Bucket on Feb 1, 2009 12:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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