I have given up on LMA
The story the other night about him feeling left out when Brandon Roy didnt invite him to dinner last year, followed by 5-18 female performance tonight when we really needed him pushed me over the edge. I have given up on him.
LMA is a nice player. That is all. He will never develop into Amare, Rasheed, Chris Webber, or any other dominant power forward. There is no debate. LMA is soft.
He reminds me a lot of Charles Smith. People who dont remember the 1990's, Charles Smith is most famous for giving 8 million Knicks fans a heart attack after Game 5 of the 1993 NBA Eastern Conference Finals.
LMA is Charles Smith. Which is bad karma.
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He did ok against Boston, but we didn’t need him that night, so it doesn’t matter. I think I’ll give up, too.
Although, if he has the potential to give 8 million Knicks fans a heart attack, that’s worth something to me. I mean, I’m not sure how 8 million Knicks fans can share a single heart attack, but if LMA can make it happen, then, well, I’ll reconsider.
I’m convinced. I won’t give up on LMA yet. The Knick fan heart attack inducing capability is too intriguing. Perhaps he can learn to give Celtic fans a heart attack, or even multiple heart attacks. This could lead to the even higher calling of giving L.A. fans a heart attack. This potential is not to be scoffed at, and probably should be developed further, even if we have to give it some time.
Perhaps we just need to refocus our coaching efforts, and he’s been working on the wrong things.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 9:11 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LA is soft, Bro
LA + RLEC = an overpaid vet on the tail end of his career who could help the Blazers come up short in the playoffs
by tominhawaii on Jan 3, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This'll do it...
Trade Aldridge for Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone!
They were tough.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 3, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So LMA is soft and you're giving up after a subpar night shorthanded vs a tough team.
There’s not a lot to discuss about that. Might as well give up on the whole thing and root for Boston or the Lakers. You can go to forum blue and gold and debate with yourself whether Pau is soft.
rolling hard
by Billy Ray Bates on Jan 3, 2009 9:27 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to have to...
…totally disagree with you. LA had an off shooting night, that’s it. He still got 10 rebounds, 5 of which were offensive, 5 assists and a steal. Our rebound total for the night was 30, so he had a third of the total rebounds. Doesn’t sound too soft to me.
He didn’t take that many bad shots…just missed shots that he normally puts down.
If you want to talk about giving up on someone maybe you could bring up TO but not LA.
by Jetpack: Missing on Jan 3, 2009 9:52 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why stop there?
I mean, there are just so many reasons to laugh at this post…
Together Roy and Aldridge are the 8th ranked duo in the league in terms of +/-, just two points behind Steve Nash and Amare Stoutemire.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 3, 2009 10:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i would suspect that that has much more to du with roy then aldridge
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
#25 is NOT a part of our suposed big three,
i kant believe that i didnt notice this thread, ive been basikly debating with my self about lma in the post game recaps and in the broandons out thread. wow. but seriously, lma is suposed to bring it, the pressures on him. he really humped the doge last night, and he didnt really play that well against boston, in fact his fading away in games, is becoming as common as his fade away shot. he is getting billing as a part of our big three, and that implies that we should be able to depend on him, if roy had an off night, you could say that it happens, cus its rare, but with lma, its becoming common. thats a problem. im not quite their with OP yet, but im close. ill be watching lma almost exclusivly when hes on the floor whil roys out. this is the time he should be showing his value. as it is, he is NOT a max player, and theirfor should not be sold as a part of our core, im really close to not wanting to see his picture anymore
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hard for LMA to get his shots
when he can be doubled w/o impunity. With Roy on the floor, he has more room to operate. Without Roy, he’s the only guy who can create for himself.
Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio
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by HurraKane212 on Jan 3, 2009 10:17 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
then he should learn to pass the ball or hit those shots like a GREAT power forward would
but he missed his shots, ive noticed a few others talking about how the shots wernt that bad, and ide have to agree. he just kept missing his shots. 5 of 18 is bad
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He did pass the ball
He had five assists, which is pretty good for a PF. And he had 10 rebounds.
5 of 18 is bad, but they should still keep going to him, because he was getting decent shots, they just weren’t dropping. He wasn’t forcing up Travis specials or anything like that. He had a horrible shooting first half against Boston, they kept going to him, and they dropped in the second half, he came up big in the clutch, and we won. He had a horrible shooting first half against N.O., they kept going to him, and they didn’t drop in the second half, and we lost.
We’ve now had two games without Brandon. The first, we won against Boston (perhaps the best team in the league), and LMA came through with a lot of big plays. We don’t win it without him. The second, we lost against N.O. (perhaps the 5-6th best team in the league), and LMA played a good floor game, but his shot wouldn’t drop, and we lost, though we stayed in it until the 4th.
About what you might expect from your second guy. Playing against the elites, without your first guy, he’ll carry you to a win some nights, but not every night.
The fact is, right now LMA is our second guy, but if we are going to win a championship, he is going to be our third guy. Don’t expect him to magically become our first guy just because our first guy is hurt. He may always be our second scoring option, maybe someday even our first (though I doubt it), but he is not going to be either the first or second player of our Big Three. By next year, or the year after, when Brandon is out for a few games, everyone will be looking first for Oden to step it up.
LMA is going to be a great 3rd guy on this team, perhaps the best 3rd guy in the league by that time. Right now, the Spurs probably have the best 3rd guy (they actually have three #1 guys), which is why they still won’t die. They can surround those three guys with crippled grandmas and win a playoff series. By the time we’re in that position, I think their guys will just be too old to maintain their position.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It’s been awhile since I’ve seen such a knee jerk reaction post like this one…i’m kinda sad its about lma.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i only watched about 25 or so games two years ago,
i saw about 75 to 78 last year, at least. ive watched everysingle game this year live except one, and since ive learned that games can be downloaded, ive watched several two and tree times. this has been building for me. i havent givin up on him YET, but its close. he can be amazing some games, and the opposing anouncers simply drool, and he can compleatly disapeer in others. his consistancy is no better then outlaws in my eyes, althow his shot selection is much better. the thing thats pissing me off about him, is that he is refered to by the front office as a part of OUR big three. to me that would imply interchangability with roy or oden, for being able to be the back bone of the team. i have no doubt that he will make a great role player some whare, maybe even hear, but im really questioning y we have labled him as un touchable, when hes really nothing mor then an overfeatured role player. his shooting is horrible almost as often as great, witch is why he has a less then steller tsp. if aldridge can be consistant in this streatch and step up when we really need people to du so, then he’ll be allright with me, or at least ill be more patient. its like those arcade racing games, hes running out of time in my eyes, and if he duznt hit the next check point, it game over from me. the thing is jscot pointed out that san antonio has three number ones, and thats allways been my hope for lma, but im beginning to see him differently, and also not imune to being traded. in other words, when i see pictures of OUR big three, im thinking that aldridge has not played well enough and has used up two much time to still get “face of franchise” billing
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 12:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We lose Roy, and Fernandez steps in, and we win a game or two.
A big drop off, but we win.
If LMA goes down, who steps in? Frye? Ike? Do we beat Boston with them? Do we beat anyone with them?
LMA may not have Roy’s skills, or Oden physical gifts, but the wins depend on hime very bit as much as the other tow.
He’s still got a lot of growing to do. He’s got plenty of time to do it.
The time to decide he’s not the guy is in about two or three years.
by raoulduke on Jan 4, 2009 12:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if its rudy that steps up in roys absence
thats not good for us, unless we’ve allready been looking at a trade that we just couldnt aford, becouse if its rudy and not lma, that leads this team when roys out, then rudy is a starter in this league, and everybody will no it, spain, everyteam with out a dominant two, the blazers, and rudys agent. they will all know. and teams want leaders, hell thats my complaint about lma. now oden is a rookie, so hes off the hook. but every ring minded blazer fan has oken as a roy leval impact player. so if roy is down, even next year, hell even this year, we look to oden. oden played really well against boston, and failed against cp, but he shouldnt be the one were looking to right now. it should be lma. he played only 1/8 of the time we needed him to, he had only one good quarter since roy was down. the thing is with out roy, we are at risk, but with out lma? pshhh, hes not even a lagitamate number two option the way hes been playing in the last two game espeshally
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 12:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we went 5-0 in a 5 game absence from LMA last year
Frye replaced most of his contributions.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 4, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hes not a role player
lma is a legit starter…not a role player. he may not have shown he can be a consistent player or “untouchable,” but last year when our offense was a lot more predictable, lma was a lot more consistent and predictable as well. 1st quarter was always lmas quarter and 4th was always brandons/trouts. we’ve been mixing things up this year and lma hasn’t had the luxury of getting force fed 8 shots in a row like last year. he’ll pick it up…at least his learning curve isn’t nearly as slow as trouts.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he also hasnt had the luxury of making too many of the shots hes been givin either
i see that hes a starte, i just dont think hes as cor material as weve all been led to belive. i really hope im wrong, but its this next batch without broy that will likely make up my mind on him.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 12:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
his shooting %
is .467 which is down from his career avg at .484, but is still not bad enough to complain that he isn’t making his shots. i think he is making his shots just fine…if i were to complain about him it’d be that he often disappears in crunch time. in our crunch time lineup of brandon, rudy, blake, lma, and greg/pryz it seems like lma is the least productive of that group late in games. i dont know how much truth there is to that…its just an unproven observation by me.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
there is some truth to that
but i couldnt really say how much, ive seen aldridges mist wide open three pointer in the last two minutes lose a game, ive seen him not make his shots at the end of a game, but ive allso seen him hit his shots at the end of a game to secure the win. so thats a hard one, hes inconsistant, and realistikly, portland duznt seam to give lma much chance to take the clutch shot, and i would suspect its becouse of his inconsistancy
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we are a jumpshooting team
its natural for us to be inconsistent. jumpshooting teams are streaky.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 2:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
.467 is only acceptable if you make some 3s...
… or get to the foul line a lot. For a player who does neither, .467 is flat out atrocious.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 4, 2009 11:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Where can we
download games ?
I’m getting tired of going to bed around 7:30….
by Blenzer on Jan 4, 2009 9:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the sight im currently using
http://www.onenation.dox4.com/
ive had a similar link before, to one nation, but it was shut down right after i started using it, im afraid this one will be as well. there are also some torrent sights that can be used, as soon as i have all the games i can get from hear, im going to start looking for the torrent sights. i just watched brandon let peja hit two wide open threes in a row with really bad defence in the last two minutes of the game, and aldridge took a three with about 14 seconds on the shot clock while we were only down by one with 158 on the clock. so you might not want to download all the games, lol
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, he did pass well
he really duz quite a few things well, opposing gaurds or really any body kant dribble close to aldridge without running the risk of getting it poked away. that said, i think that your right, that hes not someone that we’ll ever be able to count of for consistancy, he will often suprise us, but we will allways need either oden or roy to lead the way. lma simply kant or wont ever be able to carrey the team on his back, in anything other then garbage time, he has only played 1 decent quarter since roy has been out. thats only an 1/8th of the time we needed him. im hopeful for martell, id love to see him really develope some handles and be able to take it to the hole, maybee give bayless more bure. isnt the role of the number two, to be able to take over when the number one is down? i dont even think its fair to call lma a number two, other then thats his usage percentage right now, i dont know, im just sad for his developtment right now, and certainly dont blaim anyone for giving up. im about to myself soon two depending on his play while roy is out
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 12:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I give up on paying attention to posts by someone who......
……is willing to give up on a player because of a single game.
This is just silly. LMA will have a ten or fifteen year career. Deciding to “give up” on him because of one bad performance in year three is a sign of an utter lack of understanding of performance by professional athletes. Even Hall of Fame players have plenty of bad games.
by upper left corner on Jan 3, 2009 10:23 AM PST reply actions 3 recs
+1
That’s almost word for word what I was about to post.
Good rookies go to bad teams, KP is trying to screw us!!
by In Walks Rudy on Jan 3, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And what are the consequences of a fan giving up on a player?
Will the power company shut LMA’s power off? Will his car refuse to start. Will he sit in front of his locker and silently weep an hour before tipoff?
I don’t know if I can take the suspense.
by raoulduke on Jan 3, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure KP will immediately get on the phone now that this fan has announced his definitive evaluation.....
……definitive until next game when LMA scores 25 and he posts about how much he loves LMA.
Sometimes, I think we need to put medication for bi-polar disorder in the Bull Run Reservoir. Fans sure blow hot and cold.
by upper left corner on Jan 3, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Myopia and Bi-Polar Disorder are 2 entirely different things
"We have a theory that cats are planning to take over the world, just try to look them straight in the eye...yup, they're hiding something!" - Dog Fancy
by bow4meow on Jan 3, 2009 4:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if enough du then yes
look at the jailblazers, the fans gave up on them
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lma might not akshually have a ten or fifteen year carrear,
hes not great, and even thow weve been getting glimpses, this is a league whear consistancy matters, and thats not something hes shown. the nba is whare the absolutly best basket ballers in the world play, there is only 450 guys in the show every year, and alot of them dont even play. if he duznt produce the consistancy and really become a top tear player, there is no reason to think his career migh be all that long
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 9:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I realize that you are a fan of old school bangers at the 4, but......
……6’11" guys with long arms lots of spring good wheels and an ability to stick 15’ jumpers do not grow on trees. LMA was a #2 pick for a reason the young man has an unusual package of physical gifts. How many PFs have you seen who can defend the perimeter as well as LMA?
I think you are suffering from impatience and a case of “the grass is greener…..” If we had a big slow bruiser who was great from 8’ in and a beast on the board, how would that fit with GO? LMA is a work in progress, most young bigs don’t peek until their late 20’s. Be patient, Grasshopper.
by upper left corner on Jan 4, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well put
The Blazers could indeed use a Maxsap, but to come off the bench, not to start. LMA and GO were made to play together. Once they mature and learn each other’s games, they’ll terrorize the league for years to come. Scoring, passing, blocking shots, rebounding, running the floor: those two will be a Twin Towers for the new Millennium.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 5, 2009 2:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually think right now would be a pretty good time to trade LMA
I bet there are some GMs out there who still think he can be a dominant player.and I just don’t see that ever happening. I think his value may be at a high right now— the longer he fails to become dominant, the less “potential” he’ll have in the eyes of other GMs.
I don’t know what you could get for LMA, and you wouldn’t trade him unless something really good was coming the other way, but I’d be willing to examine the possibilities.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 10:47 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
On this note...
Was there a thread discussing MB’s prediction on Courtside that the Blazers would make a blockbuster deal before the trading deadline? I feel like when MB says something like that, it tends to supersede the daily trade rumors and rants that infest the sidebars.
by Griff on Jan 3, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's his 3rd year
He’s doing just fine for his third year. Unless you’re getting someone sort of young and very talented, why trade him? Who are you going to get? It would have to be a big or we would be screwed. Who’s better, that we’re going to land?
Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game
by iDea on Jan 3, 2009 10:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
I don’t have the phone numbers of the other GMs. I do know that last offseason, people on this site were unwilling to trade him for Derrick Rose. The Bulls wouldn’t have gone for that trade but it shows how highly he was thought of on BlazersEdge.
I’m not proposing a specific trade, because I don’t know what Aldridge’s value is in the eyes of NBA GMs, but I am saying I would not be surprised if that value will continue to decrease over the next couple years.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus Thomas straight up :)
(Note: Most Bulls fans have also “given up” on him becoming a superstar)
by Norsktroll on Jan 3, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would have
traded LMA in a heart beat for Rose. But then I got shouted down as insane. Looking at their numbers this year I think any fan who wants a top shelf PG would have to consider it.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Jan 3, 2009 3:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Boozer might be on the free agent market this offseason...
I am sure there is a pg/sf out there that we could get for LMA and then make a run at boozer with our capspace. A package around LMA could be VERY enticing to opposing GM’s. Now you are talking about getting legit all-stars back. Not that I think we should do that, but I think if KP is planning on trading for an allstar vet, the most likely scenario involves LMA. I suppose its possible to trade in 3 or 4 rotation players/prospects for a nice starter, but that would involve some more pritchard magic….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jan 3, 2009 3:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Serious?
Who would you want instead?
How many better young power forwards are there in the league? Especially power forwards that have steadily improved each and every year before their 23rd or 24th birthday…
This negativety reminds me a lot of K#be’s “Bynum for J-Kidd” rant…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 3, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't seen a lot of improvement from LMA over last year
but to answer your question, I would rather have Chris Bosh, Al Jefferson, David West, Paul Millsap and Marreese Speights. It doesn’t have to be a PF you get in a trade, either.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That might sound harsh, but Al Jefferson is Zach Randolph with a little more brain and class. All offense, no defense. Not my words, but the ones from the editor at Canis Hoopus (SBN Wolves blog). And I tend to agree. Speights is seeing limited minutes in Philly, it’s a little early to know if he could stabilize his good numbers with more time. I can’t see Millsap & Co. being traded this year.
by Norsktroll on Jan 3, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I completely agree on Al Jeff
I think Zbo with more brain and class is a better player than LMA. LMA’s defense is only incrementally better than Al’s, and at least with Al you get a great inside post game and efficient shooting.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The factor you seem to overlook
is that LMA actually has the physical tools and work ethic to improve on defense.
The problem with not getting a PF is that then we would have a huge hole at PF. At every other position, we have at least two players of sufficient quality to be key rotation players for most NBA teams. At PF, right now, we only have one who fits that description. If you trade him away, you’ve got a huge hole at PF.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think David West and Zach are the same.
Statistically and strategically.
They shoot and make shots like crazy. They grab lots of boards. Neither defends all that great. When you give them the ball on the block, it ain’t comin’ back.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 3, 2009 11:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It kinda does have to be a PF you get back...
or we’re left with Frye, Outlaw, Shav, and Diogu to battle it out for the #1 spot.
That scares me more than a little.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 3, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be an issue you'd have to address, certainly
but you wouldn’t necessarily have to address it in the same trade. If you get a better player than LMA in return (especially at PG), its good, even if it temporarily leaves a hole at PF.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 11:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, I wholeheartedly agree with you that the hardcore homerism around here surrounding ...
LaMarcus Aldridge is a laughable joke. Yet, that aside, I want nothing to do with Al Jefferson; he’s the power forward version of my favorite whipping boy, Kevin Durant, who’s an all offense and no defense bum leading a pitiful team in a race to seal up the Northwest Division basement cellar.
by AK1984 on Jan 3, 2009 5:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LaMarcus Aldridge is a laughable joke.
You are funny.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 3, 2009 9:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You didn't cite my comment in a correct manner.
It should be quoted in the following way: “[…] LaMarcus Aldridge is a laughable joke.”
With the bracketed ellipses in place, an informed reader would know it’s a comment that’s omitted in some way. Otherwise, people could potentially take it out of context on accident.
by AK1984 on Jan 4, 2009 3:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good grief.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 4, 2009 12:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry.
I read it wrong. I thought your title and first sentence were seperate statements. I actually agree with you.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 4, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good grief.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 3, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Complaining about hardcore homerism on a fansite
Is like complaining about Jews in a Synagogue, Mexicans in Mexico, fish in the ocean, fat people at an all you can eat buffet, dorks at a Sci-Fi convention, sweet tender teen girls at a Jonas Brothers concert, bear poop in the woods, lemons in a lemon tree, animals at the zoo, airplanes at the airport, chickens in a chicken coop, tourist in Waikiki….
by tominhawaii on Jan 4, 2009 5:19 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
i like sweet tender as the extra emphasis
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 4:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...wearing an aloha shirt and lacking a tan
Or, worse yet, wearing a Speedo.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 5, 2009 2:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tourist aloha shirts are bad
I love the polyester ones where the guys shirt matches his wife’s dress.
by tominhawaii on Jan 5, 2009 3:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
XYZ, your impatience is showing
by upper left corner on Jan 3, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
excuse me, but could borrow some of your blind hope?
i seam to have run out
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 10:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...could I borrow...
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Excessive borrowing
put the economy in trouble.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
...could I borrow...
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So you need to avoid
posting this too much.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i really lol'd
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 12:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
:)
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It is not blind to notice that LMA is 6'11", has long arms, quick feet, good spring, and can stick a 15'er. What is blind is not noticing these attributes....
by upper left corner on Jan 4, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say move that out to "Stick a 20'er"
Smooth has range !
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Jan 4, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
then ide argure that its not impatience to expect consistant production,
and leadershit from your third year, #2 draft pick, 2nd year starter, thats getting star billing. otherwise, he shouldnt be getting star billing
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh man, i really didnt mean for that to happen
bad typo, althow in a way, it kinda fits how i see lamarkus right now. i really hope he steps up his play, and performs well tonight in la
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 4:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
but i want to wait till after this streatch without roy, but i fear thats just going to make it worse
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i can see that
i’ve read how more teams have a hard time game planning how to take lma out of the game rather than roy…and how good lma is now. he may not back it up with stats this year, but i guess other teams are already noticing. i remember hearing the same thing about the chargers. opposing teams were saying how impossible it was to defend antonio gates when LT was still putting up godly numbers.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well after after all, maybe he'll never be a 20 and 10 guy
and, you know, being a 19 and 9 guy, why that’s just unacceptable.
by raoulduke on Jan 3, 2009 11:21 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
its not his numbers
its his 1v1 post defense and his shooting efficiency (below 50%, no threes and few FTs) that are the problem.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 11:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was in West's face all night and grabbed 10 rebounds. Wesr went nuts.
LMA’s post defense wasn’t the problem last night.
by raoulduke on Jan 3, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not referring to last night in particular
I’m talking about in general. We see him abused in the post way to often (ie Zbo’s 38, for example).
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in fairness
Z-Bo has abused a LOT of people in the post. That’s why there was split on whether to trade or keep him, and why the Clippers traded for him.
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
by supremepuntiff on Jan 3, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well thats the point
we need a power forward that can stop those abusers. I cant guarantee LMA will be it. He has the tools, but not that intensity.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Jan 3, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which power forwards can consistently stop zbo, west, garnett and duncan
and score 20 and 10?
Inquiring minds want to know.
by raoulduke on Jan 3, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I will let KP figure that one out
In KP we trust
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Jan 3, 2009 2:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
in other words that player dont exist
ignacio
by ignacio on Jan 3, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have a PF
who plays defense and gets a 15/10 like Millsap versus a guy who gets pushed around on defense and gets a 17/7 like Aldridge.
by howlingfantods on Jan 3, 2009 8:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But if Oden becomes
what KP says he’s going to become, the 17/7 guy may actually be more valuable to us. Especially since the 17/7 guy can hit the mid-range jumper that keeps PFs from doubling down on Oden.
For this year’s team, you are probably right as to which is more preferable. For next year, or more precisely the year after, that’s not so obvious.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really buying it.
Most teams don’t double post players off their other big. They usually double off the point or a wing.
by howlingfantods on Jan 3, 2009 11:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
But you still want to pull the PF away from the basket with this team. Because if they double off of Brandon, you want the lane open, not clogged by the defensive PF. Same if Bayless is our PG and they double off of him.
And if they double off of Blake (if he’s our PG) or our SF (whoever it is, probably Martell), we should punish them with a 3 pointer.
And the other advantage to being able to draw a PF away from the basket is that it will result in more offensive rebounds. Because the opposing center will be left to handle Oden alone on the boards, which could get ugly for them. And it opens opportunities for our wing players to slash in for offensive boards, and LMA’s quickness may get him to the hoop from outside more quickly than his defender.
Offensively, LMA’s style is exactly what you want for a team built around Brandon and Greg.
Defensively, he’s very good on the switch on the perimeter, and adequate at times in the post. At other times, not so adequate. That would be the obvious place where he could significantly improve his game.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with saying LMA fits because of his outside game...
… is that as nice as his J looks, it doesn’t go in with enough regularity. LMA’s efficiency on jump shots is very poor. When he goes inside is when he has decent success.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's dangerous enough
to keep the D honest.
He doesn’t have to make that many. He has to make them if he’s left open.
He should shoot about 1000 jumpers a day over the summer, as well as working on his inside moves. Both areas could use some improvement. But he’s still young.
I see only marginal improvement this year over last, and you hope for more in a 3rd year. But in some respects last year was like his rookie year. And this year is the first year where he’s getting most of his time playing alongside a true center — and even then, most of the time the true center hasn’t really been an offensive threat.
I think it’s too soon to really know what we have in LMA. If we trade him, we’d better get a lot in return.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"He doesn’t have to make that many. He has to make them if he’s left open."
That’s been a struggle for him this year.
“I think it’s too soon to really know what we have in LMA. If we trade him, we’d better get a lot in return.”
I agree. My sense is that LMA’s value is still pretty high though. I think its very possible we could land something that would help us out more. I don’t really know what the market is like these days though.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 11:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats pretty honest
he does still have good value…kp has a tough job, i don’t think i can or want to pull the trigger on any trade. i’ve become attached to all of our players. hell for as much as i trash trout, i still don’t even want to see him go bc then i’ll have to find someone new to dog on. there has been a lot of articles about how good lma is or will become in the news over the last few weeks, and other teams can see his potential, he just hasn’t lived up to them this year.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this is the truth for me
i dont really want to trade him, i just want him to live up to his potentiol, but im seam to be running out of hope.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 12:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is his second year of playing.
He’s 22 years old.
by raoulduke on Jan 4, 2009 12:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thank you, theres truth to that
but its not iron clad. lma did play some his rookie year, just not as a starter, and he missed much of the end of the season, much the same as roy. for me this is his chance to prove his worth,
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if you want him to live up to his potential
then you can…he’s not anywhere close to his potential. only 1/3 of the season in i wouldn’t even call this a long plateau. its not like he’s been as slow of a learner as trout has been. it’s a bit early to run out of hope for him…its thinking like this that made the jermaine o neal trade hurt so much.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i really hope im just being an impatient jerk
and i really hope lma shuts me up
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 1:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a fair point,
but, what you’re not taking into account is that we’re not trading LMA for Millsap; we’re potentially trading LMA for a player of more or less equal value and signing Millsap as a FA.
by wepto on Jan 3, 2009 11:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Irrelevant
What I’m saying is that LMA’s game is better alongside superstar Oden (if that’s what Greg becomes) than Millsap’s.
I agree that if we could sign Millsap, it might make sense to trade LMA for a stud PG or SF. But it isn’t happening. He’ll re-sign for big bucks.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lma is not high on my defensive worries
i cringe more at trouts defense more than anyone else on the team…and yes that includes our pgs.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
The story the other night about him feeling left out when Brandon Roy didnt invite him to dinner last year, followed by 5-18 female performance tonight when we really needed him pushed me over the edge. I have given up on him
I bet on a game one on one, when my left leg is healed, I kick your butt.
LMA had a bad game as did just about everyone else so get off him.
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Jan 3, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Oh, sure
It’s easy to talk tough when you’ve got a medical excuse why you can’t back it up.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well when I get my new cast next week and a boot then I'll be down to play andi''ll still beat him with the injury
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Jan 3, 2009 2:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You shouldn't do that
No matter how good the new cast is, beating someone with it isn’t a good idea. It’s there to protect the injury, not to make the injury a weapon.
If you have to beat him with something, use a stick or something. Or the Tyson Chandler forearm.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
way to be all SSERIOUSSSS
sheesh I might just go Oren Ishii on him :D
Sophia
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Jan 4, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
oh, yeah
I was REEAAALLY serious there.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 7:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
please no cybering on these phorums
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Jan 4, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"What, what, it's just a flesh wound", err, broken ankle

by Norsktroll on Jan 3, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare
by BlazerFan1 on Jan 4, 2009 12:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol nice
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Jan 4, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
that quote is lame
Why bring up the dinner story? That’s just kinda lame to bring up an old story like that. If LMA felt betrayed by his supposed “friend” then he has the right to…it doesnt make him soft. He just has a hard time trusting people.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it is unfair to fault bandwagon fans for jumping off, it's in their nature.
If he wasn’t a bandwagon fan, he would have read the original story months ago, not the one rehashed by some ESPN dude.
by tominhawaii on Jan 4, 2009 5:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
your right.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 6:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are missing the point...
LMA has made a point of telling everyone he’s not soft.
Truth is with Roy he hasn’t steped up.
He had a slow start against Boston, and was a no show against West who schooled him all night.
Unless he steps up with Roy being out, he deserves his soft label!
by MotoMan045 on Jan 4, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't have to see the point, I'm a homer
Kobe Bryant fans threatened to kill the woman who accused Kobe of rape. All I’m doing is ignoring my player’s detractors.
by tominhawaii on Jan 4, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ehh
If he isn’t stepping up with roy being gone that doesn’t make him soft. That makes him not ready for a leadership role or as a primary option. KG has been playing mind games and has been trying to intimidate a lot of people in the NBA lately and guess what? LMA did not back down. How does that make him soft? Just because he isn’t a blue collar, banger does not make him soft. It’s just not his style of game. I don’t think soft is an accurate adjective to describe his game…I’d call it versatile.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 11:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry about that, I forgot we're not supposed to use that term
I’ll work on a new term.
by tominhawaii on Jan 4, 2009 8:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i always said
whenever the blazers has had a kicka## power forward(b.grant*buck*luke)=serious title contenders.aldridge fits the new blazers regime(clean cut)nice guys=soft losers book it!!!
by fatty on Jan 3, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Problem with your hypothesis...
…confounding variables. You say “bruiser power forward”, I rebut “Hall of Fame big man/Hall of Fame wing plus outstanding depth”. You can’t remove the effects of one from the effects of the other, or even try to quantify how much each one matters…unless you categorize Rick Fox on the 2000-2002 Lakers championship teams as a bruiser, then clearly a hard-nosed PF isn’t a prerequisite to be serious title contenders.
by BlazersOrBust on Jan 3, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm talking about
in blazers history dude i can give a rat’s a^^ about the lakers title fixings in this early decade with a loser like r.fox,i’m talking only blazer history dude look it up thank-you.
by fatty on Jan 3, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this doesn't even make sense
the Blazers are unique somehow? Other teams are perfectly capable of winning championships without a hard-nosed power forward, yet there’s a strand in the Blazers’ collective DNA that makes it impossible? Look, I’m not even saying that I disagree with your fundamental point that we need some more toughness in our frontcourt if we’re going to maximize our championship potential. I’m just disagreeing with this sweeping notion of yours that it’s impossible WITHOUT doing so. You don’t think maybe, just maybe, having Walton and Drexler on the teams of the first two guys you cited miiiight have something to do with their success?
by BlazersOrBust on Jan 3, 2009 12:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, well done
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
come talk to me please
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.
by hisblazergrrrl on Jan 3, 2009 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
email me
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 10:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I left you two msgs on ur cell
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.
by hisblazergrrrl on Jan 3, 2009 10:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
does this really need to be
posted on this board?
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
its been settled, we appologize, and it will NOT happen again.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 12:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
At least now we know
who her boyfriend is.
And she isn’t a guy after all. My faith in humanity has been restored.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 7:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm glad at least now people will believe I'm a girl...
and that I’m human. Sorry for contacting him on a thread but it was kinda important. It was only a one time thing though. I wouldn’t do it for no good reason. Thanks for being kind.
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.
by hisblazergrrrl on Jan 4, 2009 4:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's really no big deal
to contact him on a thread. I mean, it shouldn’t be a habit or anything, but it isn’t as if it’s a major crime or anything that needs big apologies. Don’t sweat it.
There, now since I was all nice to you and everything, expect my alleged crunchy side to come out any minute, so enjoy it while you can.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 11:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of all the threads in all of Blazers Edge
You complain about going off topic in this one?
by tominhawaii on Jan 4, 2009 5:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
thanks TiH for being understanding.
Sorry for any inconvenience.
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.
by hisblazergrrrl on Jan 4, 2009 4:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I don't understand
It was kind of weird, actually. I just go off topic a lot.
by tominhawaii on Jan 4, 2009 8:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no it doesn't
it was a one time thing, kind of an emergency and I didn’t plan on ever doing it again. Sorry to inconvenience you or anyone. Don’t blame him, it was my fault. I’ve seen others do it so I didn’t realize it would be a big deal. My bad. I’m still pretty new here.
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.
by hisblazergrrrl on Jan 4, 2009 4:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
come talk to me please
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or email me
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
or leave messages on my cell
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you could do much worse
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.
by hisblazergrrrl on Jan 4, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just joking, by the way
"An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest" · Benjamin Franklin.
by hisblazergrrrl on Jan 4, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But wasn't part of the reason
we needed a Grant and a Williams is because we had Sabas and Duckworth? One was getting old and both were more finesse than brute strength players. Alsrdige may not be Buck, but he shouldn’t need to be with an Oden/Przybilla rotation.
I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson
by supremepuntiff on Jan 3, 2009 12:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fox was their SF.
Their PFs were Robert Horry, AC Green, and Horace Grant.
by howlingfantods on Jan 3, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A trifecta of bruisers right there…
My HDTV is a JustinTV streamer who doesn't just use a webcam :(
by inroywetrust on Jan 4, 2009 9:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you have Shaq you dont need no "bruiser"
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Jan 3, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's a misconception
Championship teams have tough, physical guys to spare. They come at you in waves. I heard a bunch of people here last season saying all the Blazers would need is Oden to make them a physical team. But even Shaq couldn’t block out everyone. It takes a village to rebound & defend in the playoffs.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 5, 2009 2:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What did Brian Grant win?
I don’t think I ever saw him go up strong to the basket, instead he would duck under everyone, dribble three times, then get blocked. He was also chubby, so he was literally soft.
by tominhawaii on Jan 4, 2009 5:33 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HIs last season with the Blazers, Grant DID get blocked a lot
I think he lost a step, and some hops to go with it. But he was a terror earlier in his career.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 5, 2009 2:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I know he was good once. Is he considered a jail blazers? He was my least favorite jail blazer on the court and my most favorite off the court. I’m sure you’ve read this comment from me before, but I used to say that he thought dribbling was a stat and often tried to pad his dribbling stats.
by tominhawaii on Jan 5, 2009 3:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but he had great hair.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 5, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this guy
is a Wizards fan. His last full-length comment in a FanPost was to elucidate the reasons that Blazers fans are morons for not trading the farm for Caron Butler. Ignore and move on.
by BlazersOrBust on Jan 3, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'd trade the farm
for Caron Butler. Or at least Aldridge. :D
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 4, 2009 1:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
want to be
in the conversation nationally blazerfans then hope next summer k.pricthard goes get a r.artest to be our kick a%% guy trust me he’ll have everyone’s back and oden can feel a lot more aggressive as a legit big man next season.
by fatty on Jan 3, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
he already got Odens back. Just look up on Youtube how he defends Oden from being called “happy”
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Jan 3, 2009 2:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"trust me" - those words always work like magic in my ears
ignacio
by ignacio on Jan 3, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not giving up on him or anything
but I’ve been ok with the prospect of trading him for awhile, since at least midseason last year.
I mean don’t trade him just to trade him, but I think he’s a great trading chip and has more trading value than actual value in terms of wins. I think a package of LMA, RLEC, and a Martell or Travis or Rudy could bring back a major impact player if we can find the right trading partner.
by howlingfantods on Jan 3, 2009 11:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
there is a reason
the bulls passed on him 3 years ago in the draft he’s a nice player but a very soft player and the whole league knows it not only about aldridge but the whole blazers team is known as soft around the nba.
by fatty on Jan 3, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Since the Bulls went after Thomas
I don’t really trust their analysis of big men.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
because
thomas is a thug on the right team like(spurs*lakers*suns)thomas would flourish but on a bulls team that to damn perimeter no.
by fatty on Jan 3, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Tyrus Thomas isn't good
Players whose best asset is their jumping ability don’t make good basketball players. Travis Outlaw was not a good player until he developed a solid jumpshot. Good players use their athleticism to their advantage, but they don’t rely on it above all other skills.
My HDTV is a JustinTV streamer who doesn't just use a webcam :(
by inroywetrust on Jan 4, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA is fine. Nothing coaching and experience can't fix...
The team needs a BACKUP 4 that can really muck though, to be used situationally. That’s the big hole on the roster, as nearly as I can tell.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 3, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I never understand this argument.
Don’t you want your starters to be on the floor in crunchtime? Do you think you need toughness less in crunchtime than you need in the first half of the second and fourth quarters?
by howlingfantods on Jan 3, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that doesn't make a ton of sense...
… but TImbo is right that backup 4 is a major problem right now, as evidenced by LMA’s stellar plus/minus despite his obvious shortcomings.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats correct
It looks like Nate is looking to Ike more than Frye, and trying to mix it up cuz there is a deficiency.
And Oden, once again, is a rookie, so non-stop fast break basketball is like fast-forwarding a song while he's trying to learn the lyrics.
by RipCity on Jan 3, 2009 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
timbo
are you serious you can’t teach toughness dude either you’re a tough guy or your soft period.to me only roy&bayless&pryz*diogu are tough minded on this team everyone else is silly puddy dude book it !!!!
by fatty on Jan 3, 2009 11:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Too early to say
whether Oden is in that category or not, but I have hopes. Greg’s a nice kid, but he backed Garnett down through sheer size. You can knock people around through toughness, or you can knock them around just by being so much bigger and stronger that they bounce off of you. It has the same effect. 99% of the players in the league won’t push him around because it is simply impossible for them to do so.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would you classify
Bowen as a tough guy or as soft? Because when he came into the league, he was the latter. He remade himself into the former.
by BlazersOrBust on Jan 3, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
bowen
is a punk and a dirty player and remember s.a. has the greatest player on the planet in my opinion in tim duncan book it!!!
by fatty on Jan 3, 2009 12:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fatty - - good to see you back
I booked a flight up for the Philly and NJ games…we gotta cross paths if you are going…
email me @ drceleste@aol.com if you are gonna be up there…
Happy New Year!
Do you know what you are?...You are What U is..You is what U Am..A cow don't make Ham...you ain't what u Not...so see what you got..You are what U is..And that's all it 'tis.... F.Zappa
by LetsBlaze on Jan 3, 2009 5:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"book it" -- oh yeah houston in the finals i remember sure
ignacio
by ignacio on Jan 3, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 3, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
How is one supposed to ‘book’ Tim Duncan being the best player on the planet?
My HDTV is a JustinTV streamer who doesn't just use a webcam :(
by inroywetrust on Jan 4, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So we lose to arguable the 4th best team in the league
while starting 3 rookies, with a 4th in the rotation with two starters – one of them an all star – out with injury, and the response from the cognoscenti is that we need to immediately trade the second best player on the team?
Got it.
by raoulduke on Jan 3, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
cognoscenti
cogno — same root as cognizant, meaning knowledge or thought.
scenti — smell.
Cognoscenti. Stinky thoughts.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
First of all...
… LMA is our 2nd best scorer but not our 2nd best player (that would be Joel). 2nd of all, nobody is calling for an immediate trade, just acknowledging that LMA hasn’t shown a lot of improvement and it might make sense to trade him. I haven’t seen anyone saying "trade LMA RIGHT NOW " or anything like that.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, strike "immediately". It's still a dumb idea. And, yes, he is the second best palyer on the team.
I love Pryz, but this is as good as he gets. LMA still is growing.
by raoulduke on Jan 3, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Joel has been our 2nd best player this year
Joel is obviously not the 2nd most valuable trade piece we have. That’s Oden, followed by LMA and then Rudy most likely.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 12:06 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
you can't honestly say that
I love pryz as well, but I didn’t think he would improve his game to this level. He’s been in the league for awhile now and this is clearly is best year. I don’t know if he can keep up this level of play for awhile, but who is to say that he won’t improve? Pryz set his mind to improving his FT % last year…and this year he improved big time at not only softening his hands, but finishing at the rim as well.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no dude
most people are looking at down the road dude like 2011-12 by then tis team will be on the door of an nba final appearence and by then your team should be defined by who and what style you’re gonna win with as of right now only roy stands out as being that guy which means a real franchise player he needs more legit weapons around him guys he can really depend on the greart thing is k.p. as plenty of time to find out who will be on this roster when roy wins his title 4-5 years from now
by fatty on Jan 3, 2009 11:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
pryz
definately been our 2.nd best player and teams would line up to get a big man like pryz in today’s nba market.
by fatty on Jan 3, 2009 12:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
you gotta love blazer fans.
every time the Blazers lose, I know I can count on some heinous overreaction post on the Bedge. Reliability is a nice thing.
by DrivetheLane on Jan 3, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
A lot like the way Travis shows flash’s of consistency
by southern oregon on Jan 3, 2009 12:23 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
for “Flashes of Consistency”
Homer: "Yikes....a bear is eating my father!!"
Selma: "I'm Selma"
Homer: "A talking bear is eating my father!!"
by 92wastheyear on Jan 3, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt it be nice if lamarkus could give us that?
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
compared to normal
there hasn’t been many knee jerk reaction posts lately…at least not to the magnitude of the start of the season.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't trade . . .
a athletic 6’11" PF who can outrun most
NBA Bigs, has the sweetest TOR jumper
and has a great work ethic. Smooth needs more
time to percolate. He has worked on his post moves;
the rolling right hand hook is now a weapon, so the
defense is over playing it. Now add the Smooth shake
back to the baseline. Or the wrap dribble back to the
left. He needs to work harder on keeping his dribble and
go hard at the rim when inside. Whe he goes up and tries
to finesse an inside shot, he misses or gets blocked.
If he dosen’t have the strength to get it in, then he needs to
learn to use his left hand so he can keep his body between
the defender and the ball. Draw the foul. Work hard on getting
to the line, use more ball fakes, up and under, etc.
Smooth hit the boards harder against NO than lately,
and even collared a couple of tough O rebounds. He will get
better as GO improves and with BRoy & Martell in the lineup,
will have more room to operate.
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Jan 3, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agree
He’s a young, talented player who will get better as time goes on. This reminds me of the bust talk that comes up whenever Oden struggles. Be patient folks, this is a marathon, not a sprint, so unless some GM makes a stupid offer, LMA is the PF of the future.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 3, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A player is a bust when they are not living up to expectations in a largish way.
If you look at what was projected for Aldridge when he was drafted, he was widely considered one of the top 2 or 3 prospects in the draft AND a project. He has exceeded expectations by a good measure. Because he has we have now raised our expectations. This is a good thing.
Oden the same. KP has said that he didn’t expect to see even foreshadowing of what Greg could be until the midpoint of this season. No failure of expectations here either. The only way people could have higher expectations of Greg’s play right now is if they are willfully ignorant of the recovery timetable for microfracture surgery and intentionally overlook the fact that he’s played about 25 games in the last two years.
by raoulduke on Jan 3, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're giving some people way too much credit
or I’m not giving them enough. It just seems like after every game, win or lose, there is something “drastically wrong” with the player in question, be in Rudy, Greg, LMA, or even Brandon when he struggled after the 52 point game. I’m frustrated by the fact that rather than enjoying that the team is exceeding expectations and looking forward to the future, some are expecting this team to be a finished product today, and that simply isn’t reasonable.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 3, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Indeed
it gets boring. By the way for any who care. I wouldn’t make a large trade to the team right now for the simple reason that we still haven’t seen our projected starting five on the floor this season. Until Roy and Martell are back in action I think any trade, even one for D. Rose, would really just be a shot in the dark. Now a trade for a role player such as a tough PF off the bench is probably not a bad idea. I still don’t feel like I can say for sure what this team needs other then someone who can do a laying on of hands on our injured players.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Jan 3, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see how
seeing Martell on the court with LMA would make LMA’s man to man post defense look any better, or make his one on one offensive game any more efficient, or make his defensive rebounding any better.
BTW, I think there are two sort of distinct schools of thought here.
One group is of the “OMG he sux we gotta get rid of him” school, which is obviously wrong – LMA is definitely an above average player. Maybe not as good as people think, but definitely is very skilled and is an adequate second banana.
The other group is basically arguing that LMA isn’t as good as people think, and might not be a great second option for a team aiming for titles. The idea is that maybe we should include him in a consolidation trade while his value’s at an all time high.
by howlingfantods on Jan 3, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
One reason I say hold
The other group is basically arguing that LMA isn’t as good as people think, and might not be a great second option for a team aiming for titles. The idea is that maybe we should include him in a consolidation trade while his value’s at an all time high.
This is a reasonable opinion, although I disagree unless the trade is grand theft Blazer. The reason for that is as the team (particularly GO) develops, LMA might not have to be the second option. Each of the three (Roy, LMA, GO) cornerstones of the franchise brings something different to the table that complements the others. Right after the Oden draft, I thought it would eventually be (1) Oden, (2) LMA, (3) Roy, but it seems that Roy will be the top dog. It’s a fluid situation, and while LMA is doubtless a better second wheel today, I see Oden taking that role eventually. As a third option 2-3 years down the road, I don’t know if we can do much better thank LMA.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 3, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
trades
i don’t think seeing martell really changes my decision to trade. i simply wouldn’t trade just for the sake to make a trade since we are playing good basketball. .600 basketball is no reason to make brash trades. we are improving…when teams are not living up to expectations like Denver when it traded for Chauncey or last year after we exposed Utah and they traded for Korver, then you make a trade. Unless a team made an offer we cannot refuse, i wouldn’t trae anyone…this team is a .600 team the way it is…if we were patient i’m 100% sure we will improve our record as much as bringing in a new player. the grass isn’t always greener on the other side.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
LMA is no Chris Webber or Rasheed Wallace. He’s never cost his college team the national championship because he didn’t listen when his coach said they were out of time outs. He also never refused to play for a coach that asked him to play center. Oh, and he never led the league in T’s, threw a towel in a teammate’s face, intentionally fouled himself out of a playoff game because his team was losing, threw a ball full-force into an unwitting teammate’s head, choked away a big 4th quarter lead in the Western Conference Finals, etc.
What LMA did was to have a bad game vs David West—one of the best power forwards in the league—who happens to be several years older and more experienced. Yes, LMA stinks and he’ll never improve. Get rid of the bum!
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 3, 2009 12:55 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Amen!!!
Homer: "Yikes....a bear is eating my father!!"
Selma: "I'm Selma"
Homer: "A talking bear is eating my father!!"
by 92wastheyear on Jan 3, 2009 1:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nice levelheaded comment
thanks.
by BlazersOrBust on Jan 3, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LaMarcus Aldridge also isn't a potential member of the Basketball Hall of Fame like Chirs Webber, ...
nor is he a proud owner of an NBA championship ring like Rasheed Wallace. Two can play at this game.
by AK1984 on Jan 3, 2009 5:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rasheed had his chance to LEAD when he was here
he got his ring as a role-player at detroit. ask piston fans how sick they are of his ego-trip 3-pters by now.
chris webber had a decent career, esp at at sac. he wore out his welcome a lot of other places though. in his prime he was probably better (because of his passing) than lma. but lma’s not done yet, it’s way too soon to judge.
ignacio
by ignacio on Jan 3, 2009 7:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rasheed Wallace is a rare player who's a small forward on offense, but a center on defense.
Wallace’s combined eFG% on mid-range jump shots and three-point shots is 49.8% this season, so he’s average in that regard. For the Detroit Pistons, Richard Hamilton is the guy who President Joe Dumars should be shopping on the trade market — although that’s unlikely considering that “Rip” recently signed a three-year contract extension — while Amir Johnson undoubtedly deserves a permanent spot in the team’s starting lineup.
Also, despite the fact that Chris Webber was an outstanding player, I believe he’s just a borderline Hall of Fame candidate. I, in turn, wouldn’t vote for him. At any rate, however, the Basketball Hall of Fame’s 2009 class will include a few big names, with those legends being Michael Jordan, David Robinson, and John Stockton. Later this year, I also hope the election committee will no longer snub at least one of these great players: Artis Gilmore, Jo Jo White, and the late Dennis Johnson.
by AK1984 on Jan 3, 2009 8:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All 3 of those vets you listed
belong in the hall, but the worst (and they’re all bad, imo) omission is Gilmore. He was an incredibly skilled big man, in a lot of ways a precursor to the multi-faceted bigs we see today. Still, I wouldn’t quarrel with any of them getting in, albeit past due.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 3, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Big Artis !!!
I was 8 or 9 years old at my first NBA
game and thought Big Artis was a GIANT !
It's GO time !
by walkoff41 on Jan 4, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kind of hard to call anyone
a role player on that Pistons squad. I mean, they were all role players, the high scorer was Rip at 18 ppg. I doubt too many Pistons fans would consider Ra as anything but a key member of that squad.
Dunno what you’re talking bout — I haven’t seen Deeetroit fans turning on Sheed. They’re still grateful for their title couple years back. They know they’d never have gotten the title without Ra. He was also arguably the best player over the past few years of being a very good contending team. He’s obviously slowing down a little now, but I mean he is 34, it’s not surprising.
Funny thing is Rasheed would be the perfect vet for us to get in a trade. All-NBA post defender who spends a lot of effort mentoring the younger bigs on his team, tons of playoff and title experience, still got a couple of years left in his tank but ideally shouldn’t be expected to put in more than 25 mpg. I’d love to get him back this year but it’ll never happen with our history of course.
by howlingfantods on Jan 3, 2009 9:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well
just bc he may fit on paper doesn’t mean he has the intangibles we need. i can’t picture sheed doing the little things such as mentoring unless he could buy into what the coach has to preach…and the fact that sheed is an nba champion and nate isnt leads me to believe that he won’t have the respect for nate.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mm, I dunno. Do you watch the Pistons much?
Sheed spends a ton of time mentoring the young bigs on that team, drawing up defensive rotations, and is acknowledged by the guys as being basically like an assistant coach on that team.
And lord knows it’s not because he’s had a lot of respect for the last couple of coaches.
by howlingfantods on Jan 4, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I am still very high on LA. Although a bit worried that he could get
wounded knee down the road and look for a trade to a Texas team. Other than that you know who I do want to give up on? Milk. I just love the taste and nothing goes with cookies, cake or cornbread like Milk. But dangit! It gives me gas and leave a horrid taste in my mouth. Is it worth it?
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jan 3, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hence, your signature. ;p
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 3, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ew
you definitely should give up on milk. Sounds like you are lactose intolerant, as most people are. You would feel much better if you did. I’m sorry to proselytize, but I hate milk and am so glad I cut dairy out of my diet.
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Jan 3, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, LMA stinks and he’ll never improve
Those are your words, not homerandflanders’ nor jksnake99’s. LMA may be a steady contributor over the years but who knows if he’ll be a top or dominant PF. I doubt it. A few years ago I read that a report that looked at a sample of career stats for a large number of players. The conclusion was that the player you see after 3 complete seasons is the player you basically have over the entire career. Taking into account the “career year” and the “down year,” we may be seeing an unrefined but largely complete version of LMA. Didn’t Nate say the other day comparing LMA to Garnett that LMA had the offfense ability but his defense wasn’t there? That sounds about right.
by oregonslee on Jan 3, 2009 2:23 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that is generally true
but there are some major exceptions to the rules. steve nash went from good point guard to gaudy MVP level late in his career. hell even our pryz has improved immensely from what was thought to be his ceiling. trout is a slow learner but didn’t turn the corner until well after his 3rd year. while i’m aware that the 3 year rule is generally true, i think we should be observant of a players improvements rather than write them off completely bc of the 3 yera rule.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 4, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of giving up on. Did you J Jack's line last night. Very nice
He also got moved into the starting lineup.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jan 3, 2009 2:26 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
JJ is
head and shoulders above Sergio in every aspect of the game. Who care if he steps on the line twice a game.
by oregonslee on Jan 3, 2009 2:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
By the way
IMO, the two biggest KP errors so far are getting rid of JJ in favor of Sergio and trading Zach for practically nothing in return. My coworker Blazer fanatic and I watched the draft day deals and the next day at work we both kind of shook our heads and muttered. We know Zach was a knucklehead but he’s a scoring/rebounding machine. Couldn’t we get anything for him?
by oregonslee on Jan 3, 2009 2:36 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Addition by subtraction
Z Bo had become such a pain at that point, that I would have accepted KP dealing him for some used socks and a deflated indoor/outdoor ball. He’s one of those guys no GM will ever get equal on court value for because of the of court issues.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 3, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're 100% correct that Kevin Pritchard had to deal Zach Randolph for whatever he could get in ...
return for him. Without a doubt, that Randolph trade epitomized an addition by subtraction transaction.
by AK1984 on Jan 3, 2009 5:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
huh.
I thought the JJ trade was to get bayless, not sergio. I mean sergio’s been on the team for three seasons now so if this was some kind of retrospective trade, I guess I missed that.
Keep in mind that trading zbo and dickau and jones for frye and francis also netted us the trade exception that allowed us to buy James Jones and the pick that ended up being Rudy. So no complaints from me.
by howlingfantods on Jan 3, 2009 2:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't bring it all the time
Last night was a perfect example. He’s a good player, but will never be great until he stops coasting.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 3, 2009 4:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
That's not to say we ned to give up on him or whatever, but he is what he is
A jump-shooting 6’11" PF that doesn’t rebound very well or bring the intensity every night.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 3, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i understand y he duznt rebound well, or at least there is a good reson his numbers arnt exlempory
he play nest to two of the best robounders in the league. but while roy is out, he needs to be the team leaser, at the least in points, and he needs to be able to handlye the pressure and be consistant. i havent givin up on him yet, but this stand with out roy will be the deciding factor for me
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see LMA coasting
I saw him outplayed at both ends by an older, more mature power forward who was having a great night. It happens to third-year guys—even guys who become all-stars. Sheesh, it amazes me that some Blazer “fans” have so little appreciation for LMA—or whoever else is the goat of the week.
This is a super-talented team already, and KP isn’t done yet. But it’s also the youngest team in the league (when you remove Raef from the equation), so you’re going to have ups & downs. Hello!
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 4, 2009 2:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You people are unbelievable.
Trade LmA? So stupid.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 3, 2009 5:33 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
guys who shoot as inefficiently as LMA does are simply not indispensible...
… unless they are dominant defenders, which LMA clearly is not.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 3, 2009 6:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm pleased that there's at least a few folks who're not a sycophantic lemmings around here.
Occasionally, the sickening way in which people fawn over players like LaMarcus Aldridge — as well as front office members (e.g., Kevin Pritchard) — almost makes me want to drink myself stupid, suffer from alcohol poisoning, and choke to death on my own vomit.
Obviously, I’m being facetious there.
Y’all should still get my point, though.
by AK1984 on Jan 3, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
“Occasionally, the sickening way in which people fawn over players like LaMarcus Aldridge — as well as front office members (e.g., Kevin Pritchard) — almost makes me want to drink myself stupid, suffer from alcohol poisoning, and choke to death on my own vomit.”
O my god. People actually like players on their team and show loyalty. Sickening.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 3, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You're attitude is getting really old.
There are ways to get a point across without being condescending.
jksnake99 is well liked and his views on players are often similar to yours, but he expresses them without insulting people or employing a “holier than thou” attitude.
Anyway onto the topic, yeah lets throw LMA under the bus for getting dominated by David West, even though in the game before LMA outplayed Garnett. Imagine that, guys can have off games. LMA is a great fit next to Oden and just because some of you, as fans, may not see it does not mean that other team’s scouts/GMs/coaches/players don’t understand the threat to their team that is LMA. LMA could get us a lot on a trade because he’s worth a lot.
The thing around here becoming ridiculous are the ones who compare our guys to HoFers, and fault them for not being on a HoF level in their 2nd or 3rd years. Aldridge does not have to be Chris Webber to be great for this team.
by Bskey on Jan 4, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering about that myself. Add misogynistic to the transgressions.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 3, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
o god get my dictionary ... :-)
ann breaking out the college words…
ann did you see my 2 day trav signature?
Do you know what you are?...You are What U is..You is what U Am..A cow don't make Ham...you ain't what u Not...so see what you got..You are what U is..And that's all it 'tis.... F.Zappa
by LetsBlaze on Jan 3, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Um. Huh-uh. But I like the Zappa quote you're using now.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 3, 2009 8:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was a whole album by that Title (you are what U is)....1979 I think
had Dumb All Over…Heavenly Bank Account…Harder Than Your Husband…The Meek Shall Inherit Nothing….Suicide Chump….A real winner :-)
Do you know what you are?...You are What U is..You is what U Am..A cow don't make Ham...you ain't what u Not...so see what you got..You are what U is..And that's all it 'tis.... F.Zappa
by LetsBlaze on Jan 3, 2009 8:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Cool . . . Steve Vai did the guitar work (some) on that record
his job with the band was to play exactly what Zappa was playing at the same time so Frank could stop whenever he wanted
Do you know what you are?...You are What U is..You is what U Am..A cow don't make Ham...you ain't what u Not...so see what you got..You are what U is..And that's all it 'tis.... F.Zappa
by LetsBlaze on Jan 4, 2009 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was the first
album Vai played on…
I didn’t know about that role with the band, I thought he had begun as a transcriber and……………………… BE is never going to surprise me, people quoting Zappa !!! Is he really famous, a bit famous or not famous at all in the USA ?
I was affraid of people thinking I was a Yani fan with my avatar…
by Blenzer on Jan 4, 2009 4:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
BE is never going to STOP SURPRISING ME
is what I wanted to write
by Blenzer on Jan 4, 2009 4:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Zappa was amazingly famous to a degree
in certain circles and for a long period of time…Steve grew up in my wifes hometown so we get stories on the stories :-)…
That quote just seemed to fit the Blazers now…where they are…be who they are …develop that…don’t try to be what you’re not…
where are you from?…why am I guessing Spain?..
I don’t have the avatar on feature going …I’ll hafta look
Do you know what you are?...You are What U is..You is what U Am..A cow don't make Ham...you ain't what u Not...so see what you got..You are what U is..And that's all it 'tis.... F.Zappa
by LetsBlaze on Jan 4, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm from just a little
up north in France…
by Blenzer on Jan 4, 2009 9:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
General area?
We get down to France occasionally, love Normandy.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 11:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I live
in Paris and you ? They even talk about Batum’s last night performance in the news on french TV !
That’s the one thing that makes me happy with the Blazers drafting Batum : Portland finally gets a bit of coverage in here !
Usually it’s always Spurs, Spurs, Spurs…
by Blenzer on Jan 5, 2009 6:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Semantically, the dude's use of "female performance" as an idiomatic phrase doesn't insinuate ...
misogyny (i.e., the hatred of women); however, someone could attempt to argue that it’s somehow a form of male chauvinism (i.e., the belief that males are superior to females). Either way, though, I find your mindset in this instance to be hypersensitive, overreractive nonsense. Oh well, you have the right to spout utter rubbish in that manner.
by AK1984 on Jan 3, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good grief.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 3, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahhahahhahhahahha.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 3, 2009 9:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Keep posting higher up
until you come full circle
by oregonslee on Jan 3, 2009 9:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This one is getting old. I'll have to think of something else.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 3, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The rules about this are a little vague
by southern oregon on Jan 3, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's good, but you've already got it sown up.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Jan 3, 2009 10:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hey, you're coming back down
run out of beer?
by oregonslee on Jan 3, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
as if a female could go 5 for 18 in an NBA game.
JOKING don’t kill me ladies….
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 4, 2009 1:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You clearly never played against an NBA-caliber female
Actually, I never had the pleasure myself, but I played against some good college players. That’s enough for me to be able to say with confidence that a top WNBA player could go 5 for 18 in an NBA game.
That’s not to say she could make an NBA roster. Strength IS an issue. But I’d wager that she could make all the misogynist posters hereabouts very embarrassed if they had to play against her in a pickup game.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 4, 2009 2:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why limit it?
She’d make all the non-misogynist posters embarrassed, too.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 7:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
But it’s a lot more embarrassing to be outplayed by a woman if you’ve been going around saying women can’t play.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 5, 2009 2:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I played against
a woman Gonzaga guard a few years back. She could dribble and shoot if you left her open for an hour 17 feet from the hoop, but really wasn’t a difference-maker … and this was at an open gym with a bunch of hack players. One thing she was really good at was stealing the ball though—you had to be careful with your dribble.
I bet a top WNBA player could go 5 for 18 in an NBA game, but not consistently. And probably mostly because the other team wouldn’t take them seriously and not D up big time.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 5, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA + RLEC = Boozer
Now that’s a power forward with some power.
by oregonslee on Jan 3, 2009 6:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Boozer makes LaMarcus Aldridge look like a member of the NBA All-Defensive first team.
Wow, for once I had something kind to say about Aldridge. It was a backhanded compliment, though.
by AK1984 on Jan 3, 2009 8:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong Match Up
There’s no discussion LA stays on this team. So he doesn’t shoot great one or two nights, it’ll happen. Maybe he’s not the toughest dude, but lets just get a banger to come off the bench and problem solved.
Life is hilarious.
by SolGoode on Jan 3, 2009 8:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
A hustle guy in the mold of David Lee would go a long way to wearing out the competition and freeing up our low post scoring. You can never get enough active big men. This whole argument goes back to the notion that a few hard-core Bedgers feel privileged to criticize anyone who states the obvious fact that trades are coming sooner than later. Those trades will by definition be “upgrades” for us though it doesn’t impute the inferiority of the traded players. Those player will be “upgrades” for their new teams. These trades can include any player excepting Roy and Oden. I don’t believe LMA is in the same company but he’s not very far from it – especially if he becomes a more reliable defender and low post scorer.
by oregonslee on Jan 3, 2009 9:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, it's impossible to deny that there is quite a bit of potential benefit to trading LMA.
Assuming we can get equal value back in return (and at a position of need) it makes sense to trade him because the best free agents this summer are all PFs. The danger of course being that Utah matches a max offer to Millsap (or that he doesn’t want to come to Portland). But, even then, there are other options, namely:
Boozer – Bad defense, but would a serious upgrade on the boards. Overall team defence could balance out if we picked up a good PG for LMA.
Rasheed – Probably the best short term choice other than Millsap; great defender. What LMA should aspire to be. Probably doesn’t want to come back to Portland (and management probably doesn’t want him back.)
Chris Anderson – Don’t know much about him, honestly, but was impressed with his effort in our recent games with the Nuggets.
Brandon Bass – Solid player, a little undersized, would probably be disappointing to get only him if we traded LMA. Not really sure about his defense.
David Lee – Solid rebounder, scores a bit; weak defensively. Would be a tad disappointing to end up with him, as well.
Channing has even been pretty good when he gets a lot of minutes and he’d have around half a season to prove himself.
Realistically though, the guy we’d be going after is Millsap. His TS% is 59.6% and he’s scoring 15 a game. LMA is scoring 17 a game right now and his TS% is 50.6%. Millsap rebounds quite a bit better as well. Defensively LMA has better potential (by quite a bit), but it’s just not looking like he’s going to get there. Millsap is likely the better of the two (both long and near term).
In any case, they key to all of this is finding a trade where we can get equal value back at a position of need. That means PG (or possibly SF) and someone whose age fits inside our championship window. I can think of Devin Harris and Danny Granger who fit this bill—and we’re not going to get either player for LMA straight up. Obviously, we’d like Derek Rose; but that would likely require Roy/Oden. Even Devin Harris is close to requiring Roy/Oden. What I’ve come up with is this:
Honestly, even with Rudy included, the Nets probably turn this down. They’d think about it because they’ll likely have enough cap space to sign Lebron in 2010 and have a very good, very cheap player in Rudy who could round out there line up without costing them much. Nets fans probably wouldn’t go for it, at the very least (they think Vince Carter is worth REC+Outlaw). But from our perspective it consolidates talent nicely and gives us a very good play off rotation for 2010 of:
Harris
Roy
Batum or Webs
Millsap (hopefully)
Oden
Blake
Outlaw / Webs / Batum
Joel
by wepto on Jan 3, 2009 10:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
It's too much to pay
for Devin Harris. We could snatch Tony Parker for that kind booty. I like your thinking though.
by oregonslee on Jan 3, 2009 10:27 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well,
to get the salaries to match with Tony Parker you’d need to take out Shavlik and put in Diogu—with SA not sending anyone back besides Parker. Diogu being an expiring contract it’d eat up a bit of cap space and limit our options (somewhat, anyway) over the summer. I’d do the deal, no question, though. I was actually trying to think of other players to trade LMA for and came up blank—I don’t think either SA or NJ would necessarily do either deal though, so I’d take either one.
Harris is putting up crazy good numbers though; 58% TS. He’s probably a better defender than Parker and about 3 years younger… But Parker being Parker, it’d be a tough call. The thing that sours me on Harris is that he’s playing on a bad team right now.
by wepto on Jan 3, 2009 11:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
For those who want to trade LMA, your best hope is that Robert Sarver takes another long look on his roster and salary roll
Then realizes the future “core” of the Suns looks like this once Hill and Shaq retire in 2010, Amare leaves him in 2010 or latest 2011, and Nash goes as well:
Dragic
Richardson (2011)/Barbosa
Tucker/Dudley
Amundson
Lopez
Then calls Steve Kerr to do something like this trade
by Norsktroll on Jan 3, 2009 11:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Amare is better tha LMA at this point
But Suns would have to give up a pick to make it worth it,if they would I would do it
by southern oregon on Jan 4, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trouble is,
there is no guarantee Amare doesn’t leave Portland in 2010. Amare is can sign an extension this summer; it’s likely the point where the Suns will know whether he intends to stay or go, so, if he intends to leave, we can sign and trade for him then.. Otherwise, we pass, we can’t risk giving away LMA for nothing. The same thing can be said for Chris Bosh (there was a long thread about the rumors coming out of Toronto on realgm.)
by wepto on Jan 4, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So the point here is that LMA is bad enough that he needs to be traded
But so good that it will take Amare PLUS a draft pick from the Suns?
Got it.
by raoulduke on Jan 4, 2009 12:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 12:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's stretching..
The point is that if Toronto/Phoenix become convinced that their player isn’t coming back, they’re not going to get full value when they trade that player and Portland is in the best position of any team in the league to give them at least some value for their departing star. LMA happens to play the same position as those two so he’s an obvious choice to be added to the deal.
Phoenix doesn’t even use their draft picks—them throwing one in isn’t a big deal.
Further, I’ve never said LMA is a bad player. In fact, to have decent trade value, a player has to be good—or at least have potential. We can’t trade Shavlik for anything. LMA just happens to be in a situation where can be traded in a way that really brings in a lot value to the team (either freeing space for a good PF while being traded for a similar level player, or being part of a deal that brings in Bosh/Amare).
by wepto on Jan 4, 2009 1:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I can hear the call now - LMA for Amare but you have to throw in a draft pick for a pot sweetener.
How long do you think it takes Kerr to hang up?
by raoulduke on Jan 4, 2009 3:31 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was saying that RLEC and Bayless + LMA
Is too much for Amare but I would do it for Bosh
by southern oregon on Jan 4, 2009 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose we can call you Captain Strawman.
At no point have I advocated any particular trade for Bosh/Amare. It depends on what their respective GMs ask for.
I’ve made four points: One we shouldn’t make any deal unless we have a guarantee that Bosh/Amare will stay in Portland. Two, that Portland is in the best position of any team in the league to trade for one of these guys because we have a lot of young, high potential players. Three, that Phoenix throws away their draft picks so it wouldn’t be too much to ask them to sell us a draft pick on top of whatever deal we can work out (and we should ask them even if we don’t deal for Amare.) And four, that Phoenix/Toronto may find out that Bosh/Amare is planning on leaving town and try to get something out of it.
by wepto on Jan 4, 2009 6:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Phoenix gave away our draft picks
to Seattle/OKC. Going to be hard to get anymore out of them.
I’m sure KP could buy some second rounders from them, though.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm.
I have given up on LMA
Really? Did New Orleans give up on David West after two very disappointing seasons?
It took West until his third year, at age 25, to average 17 points and 7 rebounds. Aldridge had those numbers in his second season, at age 22…
I don’t think we can dismiss the fact that he was very good last year, especially considering his age. His slight statistical drop is annoying, but a player at his young age should continue to improve. I personally tend to believe that the dropoff is due to the increased attention paid to him by opposing defenses.
As Jscot pointed out earlier in the post, he is an excellent third piece to any team. We aren’t expecting Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett. He’ll be a terrific player who will be especially successful because of the attention paid to Brandon and Greg.
by Cablinasian on Jan 3, 2009 11:46 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Good post
Rec
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 4, 2009 1:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Right on
As Jscot pointed out earlier in the post, he is an excellent third piece to any team. We aren’t expecting Tim Duncan or Kevin Garnett. He’ll be a terrific player who will be especially successful because of the attention paid to Brandon and Greg.
This sums it up nicely. Rec’d
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 4, 2009 9:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But if including him in a trade in a package with
RLEC and a couple of the other guys opens up the possibility of getting a major impact player back, why wouldn’t we do that then?
It kind of seems like you need to say one thing or the other. Either LMA is a huge untapped talent who’s going to make the leap to be a major star and it’d be crazy to trade him (the Devin Harris argument) or he’s tradeable. If his future is a good third banana, then he’s expendable. Obviously not for garbage, but as a key component for a big consolidation trade, I’m all for it.
by howlingfantods on Jan 4, 2009 9:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's not the same
as “giving up” on him.
The way I see LMA:
1) He is definitely going to be a great “third banana”. I have no doubt on that. His rebounding will improve as he gets stronger, his defense will improve because he’s a hard worker. He’ll be great in that role, as the third of the big three.
2) He has potential to be much more, a perennial all-star who actually leads the team in scoring, and is the perfect fit both offensively and defensively for Greg, the guy who controls the boards when Greg goes for the block, and who goes for the block when Greg is on the other side of the lane, knowing Greg will cover the rebound. Will he be that? I don’t know, but I can’t rule out that possibility. His style, offensively and defensively, is a great fit. The real weakness is the rebounding part.
Because of 1 and 2, he’s not untouchable, but he’s extremely valuable. Perhaps more valuable to us than to most other teams, because they may not have a center who fits so well with LMA. And that may mean he is untradeable, because his value is higher to us than it would be to others. But he isn’t untouchable. If the right deal comes along, you pull the trigger — but it would have to be a fantastic deal.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 12:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh. Yeah, obviously I think it's ridiculous
to “give up” on him. He’s a good player. Just not a great one or likely to become a great one.
I disagree about your optimism about his rebounding or defense, since he’s improved not at all in either of those areas since he started. In some ways, he’s defending worse now, since he seems to have decided that his first year foul problems were best dealt with by being more passive on defense in the paint.
The only way I see LMA’s defense or rebounding improving is if he plays for a coach who starts sitting him until he starts exerting himself more on that end. Skiles or JVG might sit him, but Nate’s shown that his rotation decisions are almost completely based on offensive performance.
His offensive game may improve. It’s possible he’ll start driving more or work harder for post position. Or he might take the other route and improve his efficiency by becoming a 3 point threat. Even if he does, though, he’ll still be a good offensive player with major holes in his game. For a good deal that brings back a major player back in trade, I think the risks in dealing him are pretty acceptable.
by howlingfantods on Jan 4, 2009 8:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It comes down to coaching
We agree on that. The physical ability and the work ethic are there.
I’m not sure it needs the big stick of “defend or lose PT”. I have my doubts that is the best way to deal with him. Probably the best way is for Nate to emphasize it in their exit interview at the end of the year, and perhaps assign an assistant to work with him over the summer.
His rebounding isn’t that far away, actually. Another decent game on the boards against LA. We don’t need him to be pulling down 15 a game, but if he can average 10-11, that would be superb. Our centers are going to be vacuuming up the boards.
Players don’t reach peak strength until 26-28, typically. That means he should naturally, as a hard worker, increase in strength and add a little muscle bulk over the next few years, which will automatically bring some improvement in rebounding and interior defense. It’s not going to turn a bad defender into a good one, but it should bring marginal improvement, especially in rebounding.
If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President
by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 11:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last time I looked
Amare was the best young PF in the league. You would be lucky to trade LMA and Rudy for his last year of service. It starting to be a joke that LMA is some kind of future all-star hall of famer, one of the “big three.” Amare could be one of the big three. LMA is gonna be a good PF but not in Amare’s class.
by oregonslee on Jan 4, 2009 10:53 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
LMA has hit his performance peak for his level of maturity.
This is by no means a slam on LMA. But he’s a 23-24 year old young man who’s maturity matches his age. As he gets older and matures more, he’ll get better. I believe too many people try to compare him to the likes of Brandon Roy or a Lebron James who are freakishly mature and mentally stable beyond their years.
Like a fine wine, LMA will get better with age. That’s a 99.9% certainty.
when i get sad, i stop being sad & become awesome again. true story.
by Net Ranger on Jan 4, 2009 11:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good point.
No better example than David West.
by Cablinasian on Jan 4, 2009 5:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMA @ LA
11-19 for 22 points, 11 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 2 steals. I can live with that. Maybe it would be nice if he could get to the line more. Relying on his jumper just makes him somewhat less consistent.
by Norsktroll on Jan 4, 2009 9:04 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
still too many jumpers
still no effort to get to the line. As usual, he was effective when he eschewed the jumper and went to the post. His rebounding was nice today. Wasn’t a big fan of his D on Gasol though.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 4, 2009 9:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this game is like sergio making a three and saying everything is ok,
i want to see it a few more times in a row first
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 4, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
soft?
I just don’t see it. LaMarcus was tough and physically involved in the Boston game. He brought it to KG before KG had a chance to lift his leg or bark. He posted up, drove, dunked and generally made KG look bad and did it with determination and tough play.
Then in Los Angelas he didn’t do so hot, and didn’t take it into the post as much as he should have. Did anyone? The whole team was about as hard as milk-toast as far as that standard goes. When the whole team is about as hard-nosed as Michael Jackson’s prosthesis, why go singling out one guy?
"She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
...I got better."
by Seijeff on Jan 5, 2009 10:58 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
from wut i saw
lma played better in L.A. then he did against boston, and the team as a whole played better against boston then they did in L.A. I havent downloaded the L.A. game yet, so i cant really be to sure, since i only saw it once and i was very emotional, but he made me happy with his play in lakr land, but not so much with boston. but ill admit i really did like his attitude with boston
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
by maid tu rek on Jan 6, 2009 7:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Time will tell
Our 2R are basketball geniuses-Roy and Rudy
by asiafan on Jan 6, 2009 6:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

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