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Game 33 Recap: Blazers 77, Hornets 92

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General Observations

If this game were like a NASCAR race the Blazers car would have been fighting the track all day long.  We started with engine trouble from the get-go and were forced to use our back-up motor.  Then the timing was off and the car was misfiring.  We blew a tire and had to get it replaced but that side of the car never felt right.  Through all of that we managed to battle it out, stayed on the lead lap, and even took the lead for a while.  Then there was a huge near-crash where we bumped fenders and one of the opponents crashed into the wall and out of the race.  It looked like clear sailing from there through the last quarter of the race.  We were thinking how that victory lap would feel when all of a sudden a guy jumped out of the infield with a crowbar, busted up the windshield, pounded us over the head a half dozen times, ripped us out through the window, and left us lying there on the grass while he drove off in our car to get a Slurpee at 7-11.  All you could say in the end was, "What the hell happened there?"  That's about as good of a description of the game as any.

We lost this game in plenty of ways.

1.  We let the Hornets outrebound us without making their centers do it.  Chris Paul had 7 boards, James Posey 9.  Some of this was from our long (and poor) shooting.  A lot of it was our wing players just not being active on the glass.  Let's put it this way...David West and Tyson Chandler had just 4 rebounds each and you still got beat on the boards.  That is wrong.  I understand there were more Blazer misses to be rebounded but we let the Hornets hang close in offensive rebounding too.  That's also wrong.

2.  We seemed to save our turnovers for the most inopportune times, like when the Hornets were making a comeback or when we wanted to get a good shot.  They weren't entirely forced turnovers either.  We just belched up some God-awful passes.  This was inconsistent with our usual style of play.

3.  After Tyson Chandler got ejected for throwing a forearm at Joel Przybilla (Side Note:  A forearm?  Really?  It got you ejected the same as a punch so next time you might as well get your money's worth.  Either that or at least throw an open-handed chop so we can all yell, "WHOOOOO!")  the middle should have been WAY open for the Blazers.  Instead we did nothing in the paint offensively.  A couple of abortive Greg Oden posts don't really count.  Greg scoring on those doesn't really depend on who is defending him.  He could make or miss against a point guard or Shaq equally well.  But come on...Lamarcus Aldridge, Travis Outlaw, any guard at all...couldn't somebody get in there with no shot-blockers any closer to the floor than the visiting locker room?  The entire fourth quarter was an utter offensive failure because we didn't recognize who we were playing.

4.  The Blazer perimeter players have got to take enough defensive responsibility that we don't have to switch on every play involving a screen.  When the big men do jump out to help against the dribbler they actually have to stop or contain the dribbler long enough to allow the guard to recover instead of just making a silky-smooth transition into guarding a guy 10 inches shorter with lightning quick speed.  The Hornets created so many mismatches off of simple screens it was almost laughable.

5.  The Hornets knew enough to stay out on our three-point shooters most of the game.  We did not return the favor.  Peja Stojakovic and James Posey are two of their best and most prolific three-point shooters.  I guarantee you that their names and positions were all over the scouting reports and that the pre-game drills all involved our guards staying home on them.  Time after time our guards and forwards sagged down to offer ineffective and unnecessary help on the Hornets' big men and/or drivers and left these guys open.  Huge mistake.

If you're looking for something that went right in this game you'll be searching for a while.  We had intermittent spurts of good basketball but outside of one burst near the end of the second quarter we never strung enough winning plays together.  We managed not to send them to the line at all.  We had decent bench production. We played hard enough to hang tough for most of the game when things weren't going right.  From a team standpoint those are about the only things to hang your hat on.  That said, the Blazers were playing a ton of unfamiliar lineups out there again, so disjointed play is not unexpected.

Individual Observations

Lamarcus Aldridge had a horrible shooting night, going 5-18 for 13 points.  He wasn't taking bad shots.  In fact he avoided the turn-around fade-away more than usual.  His stroke just wasn't there.   It didn't help that the Hornets were keying on him, as they should with Brandon out.  To his credit Aldridge had 10 rebounds (5 of each flavor) plus 5 assists.  It was going to be hard to win with David West scoring 25 to Lamarcus' 13 though.  If there was any game where you would have taken 20 points and nothing else from LMA, this was it.  Didn't happen that way.

Rudy Fernandez started out poorly again, keyed the aforementioned flurry in the second quarter with some running and a couple three-pointers, then ended the game somewhere in the middle.  He scored 19 and was the only game-altering offensive spark tonight.  Give him credit for that.  He also had some energetic individual play on defense, forcing some bobbles from the Hornets.  He couldn't stem the tide of suckiness in the fourth though and he didn't fare any better than the other Blazer guards with rotations out to the shooters.  I liked his game well enough but I still want Brandon back badly.

Greg Oden grabbed 4 rebounds and scored 4 points but also committed 4 fouls in 16 minutes.  They were not good fouls either.  Three of them, at least, were near inexcusable.  After he collected his first 3 in very limited minutes in the first half Nate elected to start the second half with Joel Przybilla.  It was a good message.  Honest errors are allowable.  Effort fouls are more than allowable.  You can't keep making mental error fouls, however.  Greg is too important to this team for that.

About somewhere in the third quarter when we were ahead I said to myself, "This is going to be one of those extremely rare times when we win even though Steve Blake isn't shooting well."  Guess what?  As we said, New Orleans stayed home on him tonight and it killed his offense and a decent portion of the team's as well.  2-8 shooting, 1-4 from distance, 7 points, 6 assists in 37 minutes.  Blake moved well enough on defense and was probably our smartest guard defender out there but that doesn't mean he was effective.

Nicolas Batum did what Nicolas Batum always does.  I can just cut and paste his description nowadays:  decent hustle, good defensive effort, a few mistakes, no shots made, 2 rebounds, 1 assists, 18 minutes of time.

Joel Przybilla was one of the stars of the game.  He had 10 points and 7 rebounds in 33 minutes with a broken wrist, as Mike Barrett pointed out to us on multiple occasions.  Plus there was that whole face-off with Chandler.  Chandler tends to the punk-ish side anyway and I think Joel brings it out in him, which is a good thing.  On the play in question Joel was defending down on the right block, trying to ward off Tyson with his left arm, the one with the broken wrist.  Chandler chopped his arm away, hitting the splint as he did so.  Joel apparently felt the pain because he gave Tyson a good, hard shove-off with the arm.  Chandler whirled on him and threw the infamous Forearm of Doom.  Joel took it in the chest and then squared off to box before the refs jumped in and broke it apart.  Chandler was ejected with a Flagrant 2.  Przybilla even hit the free throws.  It was the high point of the game.  Unfortunately it was all downhill from there.

Travis Outlaw had a good shooting night, hitting 7-13 for 16 points in 30 minutes.  But the shots were all of the "dump it to Travis and watch him work" variety, which makes a nice side dish but a pretty poor main course.  Travis is the artichoke dip of the Blazers.  We tried to make it go too far tonight and left unsatisfied.  This impression wasn't helped by Travis' 4 turnovers.  All of the ones I remember were pretty egregious.

Jerryd Bayless got some more burn tonight...15 minutes' worth.  He was aggressive driving to the basket.  You have to give him that.  Unfortunately he shot 1-6, including some seriously open misses.  He had 2 assists and a steal.  I felt the same way about his defense as I did about Rudy's.  He had a couple nice, active individual moments but the team defense just didn't flow, nor did his part in it.  He doesn't look quite ready for prime time yet.

Sergio played 10 minutes, hit 1 shot in 3 attempts, and left the game with 2 points and 2 fouls.  He never really got rolling off the dribble either.  He's slumping a little.

Ike Diogu had 2 points, 1 rebound, 1 steal, and 2 turnovers in 7 minutes.  I'd love to see him attack the rim more given his size and determination.  He needs to get his feet in the paint more all around.

Final Thoughts

Give credit to New Orleans.  They had plenty of excuses to lose this game and they didn't.  That's why they're a contender and we're still trying to figure out how to be a playoff-ready team.

Read the New Orleans perspective on their gutsy performance at  AtTheHive.

Get your Jersey Contest results (hint:  everybody scored poorly) and enter the form for Sunday's game here.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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they outplayed us down the stretch

cp3 woke up and beat us the way roy does for us so many times.

by Blazerland on Jan 3, 2009 1:19 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

OH and can we stop....

driving into the lane, leaving out feet and being stranded in mid air with a 50-50 turnover/awkward pass result.

by Blazerland on Jan 3, 2009 1:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm glad Dave's writing this recap

because if it were me I’d just blame it on Aldridge and leave it at that, even though all of Dave’s other points are valid. LMA had a terrible offensive game, and it came just when we needed him most. I’m starting to think he’s going to be one of those Rasheed Wallace can’t-be-number-one-option players….

"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach

by jamon51 on Jan 3, 2009 1:25 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

There really was plenty of blame to go around

Sure, it’s harder to win with your #1 option injured and your #2 option missing shots, but a lot of other things went into this loss tonight.

If LMA was on his game, it might have made a difference. If the best we get is “might”, then there’s plenty of other causes outside LMA.

Dave did a good job (better than I would have) of avoiding assigning blame for this loss. I assume that’s partially because Dave tends to skip assigning proportional blame. Can’t blame him at all for that. But it’s also because on a night like this, they all had some egg on their collective faces.

by Timmay! on Jan 3, 2009 1:33 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blame is a tricky thing

because it’s seldom one player or play at fault. If the guards could defend better outside they wouldn’t need help which wouldn’t cause all of those switches which wouldn’t lead to penetration which wouldn’t require more players to sag down which wouldn’t leave the Hornets three-point shooters open. Whose fault is that? You could go anywhere down the chain and point a finger. If Lamarcus were more aggressive getting inside he’d free up the three-point shooters more but if the three-point shooters hit (and they did miss open shots tonight, including guys like Rudy, Travis, and Bayless) then Lamarcus would be more free. Where does the blame start and end? It’s all about synergy and different people’s games helping each other. This team tends to flourish or break down all together.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 3, 2009 2:15 AM PST up reply actions   2 recs

+1

I couldn’t agree more. This team is either clicking or off all together. The one exception to the rule is BRoy, but that’s why he’s our All-Star. This is a team sport after all, the blame SHOULD be spread around. If you can get stops anywhere along that chain consistently it allows you to pick up the other parts bit by bit as the game progresses.

What are you impressions of Roy?
"He's just a very, very good basketball player. Very smart. Very heady. He can do a little bit of everything on the court. As coaches, when we scout Portland we kind of put him in the same category as Kobe (Bryant), LeBron (James), Dwyane Wade. We treat him the same. He's that good."

- Byron Scott

by CMCWizard on Jan 3, 2009 3:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

long term, this team is looking for three exceptions to the rule

roy lma and oden, i think we can allready agree on roy, theres still discution on oden, but he has plenty of time. lma is in heas third year, its his time right now, and frankly, i think hes gonna leave us wanting. hes not a part of the big three, hes a role player, and he dusnt even play his role well. he dus some things really nice, but his rotations are terrible, and his wholey inconsistant with his shots. to his credit, hes been attacking the basket and shedding his solft lable, plus he has to rebound next to two of the best in the league every minute hes on the floor, so of course those numbers are not gonna be special, any idiat could draw that conclution, so i think going after his rebounding numbers, or his softness, is really taking the wrong track. his problem seams to be his rotations on the defensive end, and HITTING his shots, he’s wholey inconsistant. he gets his picture taken as part of the team advirtising, with BRoy and Greg Oden, but right now, i dont even know why. he has NOT earned that in my eyes, and its becoming more glaring each day. he needs a VERRY solid streatch while BRoys out to overcome that for me. else ill be firmly entrenched in the trade lma camp, with the notion that we made a mistake with him

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 7:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well put

But I can’t help pointing out Trout’s horrible game. Forget the garbage-time hoops. He had ZERO rebounds. And he looked equally lost on defense.

This is one of those games where the whole team—including the coaching staff—may have to go back to the drawing board. Yes, West had a great game at both ends, and the Hornets are a good team. But that was a pretty anemic effort by our guys, Roy or no. Dang it: and just after that uplifting Celtic game. But we knew there’d be growing pains…

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Jan 3, 2009 4:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lma 5 of EIGHTEEEEEEEEEN!!!!

outlaw is not the ellephant in the room

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

But LMA

Is the guy who needs to shoulder the load, and last night he didn’t do it. Leaders don’t blame their teammates (and to his credit, he didn’t) — they take the responsibility on themselves, regardless of whether there were other people with sub-par games. It’s not Outlaw’s responsibility to set the tone, it’s LMA’s, and he didn’t get it done. I blame him, and rightly so.

"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach

by jamon51 on Jan 3, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Leaders

contribute in other ways when their shot isn’t dropping. Like getting 10 rebounds. And 5 assists.

If his shot was dropping normally, he ends up with 21/10/5, and we’d be saying LMA brought his game. But it wasn’t dropping, and it wasn’t because of bad shots. It wasn’t because of choking under pressure, or it would have happened against Boston. It was just one of those nights — everyone has them.

So you can blame him, but A) it really isn’t fair to blame someone who contributes in other ways when those inevitable bad shooting nights come and B) it’s a waste of energy on your part, because KP and Nate won’t blame him, and neither will most of the fans.

It was just one of those nights. Put Brandon on the floor and it might have been different, but it might not. But LMA isn’t Brandon, never has been, never will be, and in effect, what you are doing is blaming him for not being Brandon. But there’s no magic fairy dust that turns your second player into a suddenly better player when your first guy goes out.

We had a bad game against a good team. We’ll have more of them before the year is done.

We’ll even have them next year when we win more than 60 games.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

To add to this

The one person who will really blame LaMarcus is LaMarcus. We’ve had guys (including team leaders) who just shrugged off a bad night, but LaMarcus isn’t one of them. When he has a bad game, he puts in time and effort to get things back on track.

by Corvid on Jan 3, 2009 2:36 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

i hope so

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and thats a problem

you say put brandon on the floor and it might have been different, and thats a problem. lma is getting billing as one of those difference makers, and hes not. you say its just one of those games, but those games are adding up, his only consistancy has been his incinsistancy. now i dont mind taking it to outlaw now and then, he pisses me off sometimes, but hes a role player, lma is a part of our core, our big three so to speek, even thow hes really not. he needs to be a difference maker. if broy has a game like that, you can say, well it has to happen sometime, maybe itss just one of those games, but with lma, those games where he withers and disapeers and common. oh yeah, and he went 1 for 6 in the first quarter in boston, and only played one decent quarter, Greg was the real difference maker in that game, yeah aldridge was tuff in his way, but greg set the tone, aldridge was just along for the ride.

and btw

B) it’s a waste of energy on your part, because KP and Nate won’t blame him, and neither will most of the fans.

duznt this negate this entire blog? and everyone associated with it? wait, oh thats right, pritchard reads this thing once in a while. i suspect that there is someone or a few that moniter the fanbase and report to pritchard wuts on our minds. so in other words, not a waste, besides its wut we do, we discuss basketball, and all its intricacies. your entrenched as one of my favorites, and it would take quite alot for you to change that, hell ide even give you a season, your a perinnial allstar in my book, but that statement seams like you just dont want to hear it to me.

i just kept reading and realize that your very aware that lma will never be as vital to the team as broy, that hell never be a difference maker like roy, or a leader like roy. i think the team really needs him to be, and hes being billed by the organization as one of our big three, witch implies that he should be a differnence maker, or mor to the point, could be counted on to be a difference maker. unfortunatly, im beginning to agree with you that he wont be. he has untill brandon gets back to get it inline, in my eyes, else i think the teams should look elseware for his replacement

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure why you say

that these games are adding up, since we’ve only had two without Brandon this year, and won one of them against Boston.

He’s not the first of the big three, he’s going to be the third. In that role, he’s going to be great.

Nobody has 3 MVPs. Phoenix has two that used to be, but Shaq is a mere shadow. Boston has two guys that are the kind of guys who can carry a team. Allen just isn’t that.

We already know that, with Roy on fire and LMA as his second fiddle, we can win a lot of games, even with Oden out. If Oden becomes a dominant center, then with Oden on fire and LMA as his second fiddle we could win a lot of games, even with Brandon out.

That’s really all you need is two guys that will keep you in contention when the third is out. Because most of the time, the third guy won’t be out.

Few teams have three all-stars.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 7:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

if you look at lma's stats so far for the year

you’ll see alot of 3 for 13, 5 for 18, ect. true, this is only the third game we’ve played without brandon for sure, but he’s been dissaperring all season long. even when brandon is in the linup, lma has’nt been consistantly holding up his role as a “member” of the “big three”. he makes a really nice role player, and someone that we can occationaly be surprised with a big game from, but he is not consistant, and can not be depended on to carry a team to wins. at least, if your to draw a conclution based on what he’s giniv us so far this year, althow he had a nice game against la lastnight

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 5, 2009 5:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He carried us against Detroit

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Jan 7, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

and that’s why I said I was glad Dave was writing the recap, not me.

"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach

by jamon51 on Jan 5, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 7:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

might is NOT the best we could get thow,

infact i would venture that probably would be. give lma five more made buckets, thats 10 of 18, we have ten more points, and the hornets arenot hitting 100 percent in the last two minutes with all the confidence in the world, and maybe were hitting at least SOME of our shot, becouse we akshually have a little confidence in ours. LMA killed us, more then anything else, LMA killed us

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 7:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of abortive Greg Oden posts don’t really count. Greg scoring on those doesn’t really depend on who is defending him. He could make or miss against a point guard or Shaq equally well.

Wow, harsh words. Did you also find him “underwhelming” tonight ;-)

by Norsktroll on Jan 3, 2009 2:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Not harsh

just the reality that Greg scoring depends more on Greg than on how he’s defended or who he’s defended by. Nobody can stop him when he does it well. A folding chair could stop him when he’s playing awkward. In any case, he was not the solution to interior scoring after Chandler went out…or at least he shouldn’t have been the only solution, which is pretty much what ended up happening. That wasn’t going to work.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 3, 2009 2:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

A couple of additions . . .

1. BRex & Blake fought hard when getting
    switched down on a Big. Both fronted hard
    and aggressivly and each had a tip away
    or steal.
2. BRex showed his extra gear in getting thru
    the first line of D and on the break. He’s
    very athletic and strong. He will give us another
    guy who can break down his man and get to the
    rim. He needs minutes !
3. Egregious is a big word for HORRRRRIBLE. At
    least that’s what Bill would say. That telegraphed
    pass from by Outlaw was HORRRRIBLE. On top
    of getting stripped in the backcourt trying to bring the
    ball up against the Celts. I’m usually accepting of the
    many errors, due the flashes, ie the two tough offensive
    rebounds & putbacks vs. the Celts, but . . .
    It’s the most frustrating amidst the one on one step
    back 20 footers, even when he’s hitting. My primary problem
    with # 25 is he seldom takes it to the rack or hits the boards.
    Arrrrrggggghhhh !
4. LaMarcus was . . . not Smooth tonight. That’s the problem.
    When he did post, he’s being overplayed on the right hand for
    the hook. Other times he’s overplayed on the right and then
    doubled hard on the backside or picks up his dribble. He
    needs to mix in the one step, hard dribble right towards the
    hook and then the Smooth Shake back to the baseline.
    In Hakeem’s development, the baby right hook was 1st, then
    the Dream shake to the base. LMA worked hard on D and was
    aggressive on the boards, but when his offense is going he’s
    a different player.

    Keep working boys.
                                         COINCAST SUCKS !!!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 3, 2009 2:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The problem is

you can’t front 6’11 with 6’1 no matter how aggressive you are. You’ll get away with it once but it’s going to kill you.

Learning how to defend without switching everything, which basically means learning how to hamper the dribbler on screen plays, is quickly becoming the #1 need on this team.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 3, 2009 2:22 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are right sir, but

      I liked the effort and fight.
At this point, I think we can argee that the
perimeter D is not going to become good
this season. Our only chance at GOOD is
BRex at the point or . . . time, training, GO’s
rapid improvement or players locked in a room
for 24 hours of Hoosiers. Perhaps a trade.

  • Also no BRoy !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 3, 2009 2:26 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

I am coming to the conclusion that perimeter defense is going to be a big hole this year. I can hear the coaching staff say a couple years from now, “We used to have to employ all kinds of tricks to defend people out there but now we have guys who can hold their own and that makes a big difference in our overall defense.” That day can’t come too soon for me.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 3, 2009 2:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1,000,000

       You can call me “Old School” all you want,
but D is about moving your mind and feet
quicker than your opponent.
Effort, desire, scouting,tendencies, etc are
tools for players and coaches.
     Hustle, boy, Hustle. That’s all my dad would repeat.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 3, 2009 2:35 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

you are just noticing this?

I guarantee you the first thing in the scouting report on the Blazers is about the ease of getting mismatches. This has been going on all season but has been particularly noticeable the last weeks. Funny thing, when the guards make the effort to fight through, it often works. And Joel is very reactive. He was reading the perimeter defender well. It’s a coaching issue.

by Blazin' on Jan 3, 2009 4:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's well known, but when it starts . . .

        to decline from poor to very poor, it’s
worthy of comment. I guess after 30 + years
as a Blazermaniac, you get used to veterans
who don’t continue to get beat on the same
move /play time after time. Of course, unless
you were playing the Stockton/Malone pick & roll, etc.
Of course, starting three rookies could have a
small part, and no BRoy . . .

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 3, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with Travis

He is stuck in his “moves.” He has done the jumpshot that way so many times, he can’t change the rhythm of it. I wish i could communicate the concept of rhythm to these boys… Rudy, Sergio, Greg, increasingly Blake, Batum, these guys work hard to get the ball moving with some snap and redirection. Then it comes to Travis. And he has to stop and slow down the defender before making his move. It kills whatever rhythm and advantage the offense has established. And so he takes 5 seconds to prepare, does his move and either gets the difficult jumper which he hits with some regularity, or gets himself in to a fix and has to pass the ball with 6 seconds on the shot clock. When the ball goes in, we are happy. But we are not taking advantage of the efforts of our guards. Said it in the beginning of the season. Say it now. There are two Blazer teams. One trying to create opportunity with the pass and the tempo. The other waiting to catch the ball so they can start their moves. Obviously, that would be Brandon and Travis. LMA is somewhat versatile in this respect. With Brandon, this is enough to keep this team in most games and because he is an All-Star, to get us a lot of wins too. With just Travis, it looks like he is out to lunch.

by Blazin' on Jan 3, 2009 4:41 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The "switching on every screen" observations is very interesting

Now that you write it, I noticed that too in many games. The bigs constantly end up standing useless around the perimeter, unlike (don’t hate) a KG who really causes some trouble when he comes out to break up a screen. Armstrong getting an open lane for his dunks anyone?

Also, the guards tend to jump out on their defenders with a hop into a flat two-footed stance, which makes it incredibly easy to dribble around them at that moment if the opposing player wants to. Sergio is a good candidate here, but Blake and Rudy are about equally guilty.

by Norsktroll on Jan 3, 2009 2:21 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

The #1 crime

when defending on a screen play is to simply let the dribbler progress without having to change direction or hesitate. That happens EVERY time the Blazers defend against a screen. The guy guarding the dribbler stops dead when he makes contact with the screener. The guy who was guarding the screener slides over—not jumps, not impedes, just slides over—to pick up the dribbler. The dribbler might as well be walking through the park on a lazy Sunday. Then the screener rolls or cuts down. The original dribble-defender hasn’t gone anywhere and isn’t close enough to pick up the dribbler again so the big man defender can’t leave when his man does. The big man is forced to stay with the dribbler while the small man follows the screen setter. Two mismatches for the price of one.

Our smalls absolutely need to expend more energy and get more technically proficient at getting around screens. Our whole team needs to communicate when a screen is coming and then it’s up to the dribble-defender to deal with it. Fight over, go around, bump the guy before he gets to the screen so he can’t use it effectively, but do SOMETHING. If our big men are going to help or trap then they need to jump out and hold up that dribbler, make him deviate course a little away from the basket, make him think at least…again, SOMETHING.

Mostly we need better defenders, especially in the backcourt. That would go a long way towards solving this. You wouldn’t need as much help out there then.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 3, 2009 2:28 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

     Don’t they have Air phones ?
Perhaps we could put it on speaker ?

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 3, 2009 2:42 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll write it up on a transparency . . .

       for Blazer One’s overhead projector,
Class in session !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 3, 2009 2:43 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

i just copy and pasted that to notepad and saved it as a text file with the games ive been downloading and ill be watching for this

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 8:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

In addition . . .

      we are terrible about blocking out after
the screen and roll shot. The guards have to
put the fronting effort/fight into the block out on
the big.
     Remember how Stockton set the cross screen
to free up Malone to get to his spot on the block ?
He got blasted all the time, but he’d pick and continue
to roll. Now that guy was TOUGH !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 3, 2009 2:29 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Oh...don't even talk to me about our rebounding

once our center commits to helping on defense and gets out of position. Even in the games we win it’s pretty awful. Box out, grab a board, do something!

I see this as one of the symptoms of being young. There are only so many right moves that can fit into those heads. “Hey, I defended pretty well, I moved my feet, I’m in position, we made them miss the shot…now there was something else I was supposed to do. What was it? Oh well…”

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 3, 2009 2:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like the word balloon I see over Trout's head all the time

I HATE watching him remain glued to the perimeter—or, worse yet, in no man’s land—when a shot goes up. ARGHHH!!! Why is it that only once every three or four games—e.g. vs the Celts the other night—does the light goes off in his head that says, “Hit the glass?” I just can’t understand it.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Jan 3, 2009 4:15 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Batum in particular

does a great job of going after wild caroms. Outlaw…not so much.

"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach

by jamon51 on Jan 3, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

WHOOOOO

"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 3, 2009 2:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Secondary rebounders.

       I thought Smooth rebounded well and aggressivly
tonight. It’s the guards that are getting beat on the
Big rolling off the screen or the odd/long bounce. CP3,
Kidd, even that little scrapper backup from Dallas
(I know his name, but I will never utter it again, like L@)
have killed us with their scrapping. It hurts us, because
we have come so far in becoming a good even great
rebounding team. Again, I think it’s Hustle / Scrapyness.

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 3, 2009 2:40 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

sergio is slumping....

because ike diogu is playing instead of channing frye. Sergio is all about chemistry and knowing where his other players should be and channings one of sergios favorite targets.

ike and serge have no chemistry whatsoever.

free channing!!!

"im a buffet of goodness"-Channing Frye

by burritoman on Jan 3, 2009 2:42 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

WE WERE IN THE GAME INTO THE 4TH WITH THE #2 TEAM IN THE WEST WITHOUT TWO STARTERS

Losing is inevitable. Losing due to a fourth quarter collapse was sickening. It feels like a big step back.

Besides seeing a little from Rudy and Bayless, and Travis’ consistently inconsistent up-and-down play, the only positive I take away from this is that WE WERE IN THE GAME INTO THE FOURTH WITH THE #2 TEAM IN THE WEST WITHOUT TWO STARTERS — one of them all-star B-Roy.

Without B-Roy, we had no answer to Paul. Blake and the bigs shut him down in the first half with switches. But that only works well as a novelty. Going to that every play is begging for it, and CP3 fed it to us. And West’s a wrecking crew against us. If we are not able to stop those two guys, how can we ever get to the finals. Did we finally run out of emotional energy after the big Boston win, and lose because we could not put it into the next gear?

Greg sitting on the bench … ugh.

LaMarcus, while he hit the glass, could not establish an offense in the paint. We could not get our bigs off against their quick and athletic front line — which is a continuing if intermittent problem. Playing against quicker guys not only reduces our offensive efficiency, but dramatically changes the rebound battle into a scramble that we have trouble winning.

But the biggest bad for me, something that lurks behind Roy’s recent 30 ppg average, is that the other Blazers are afraid to shoot the ball (Travis the obvious and often scary exception). Nate has got to get the guy’s convinced that if they are open in a position to shoot their shot, they should shoot it! Now, if you are LMA and 1-8 from outside the paint against Boston, obviously you change it up, like he did, and find another way. Nate is probably frustrated, too, seeing the shot clock running down again because the open guy passed the ball. If you are open, it means that they have four guys guarding five. Shoot, drive or sub out. There is no pass.

by LaoTzu on Jan 3, 2009 3:48 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah--the guys were really gun shy tonight

It’s like they kept forgetting there was no Brandon Roy. Looked like the classic NBA syndrome: a team sucks it up for one game without their star, then falls to earth with a big thud. I gotta say I called that one.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Jan 3, 2009 4:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Can dave or ben ask about this?

I’ve seen this alot. Passed shots. Players scared or Nate dictating ball movement. Normally don’t score until five or less on clock. All playerrrs pass up shots except aldridge. I can’t imagine rudy is afraid so I think it’s a coach thing.

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by ratbastird on Jan 3, 2009 8:54 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

duz it seam like defenders are expecting the extra pass now?

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Dave called it

in the addendum to his game preview: “That Boston game was plenty emotional and had been circled on our calendars for a while. When you ride on emotion in the NBA you often win but the next game after turns out to be a completely limp blowout. … beware of this phenomenon and be prepared.”

I went prepared, but was disappointed anyway. Truthfully I didn’t see much I liked at all. I heard a guy behind me say, “this is the worst game I’ve seen them play”. OK, I did like Rudy’s energy and Joel’s grit, but most of all I loved the fans. They tried so hard to get the players going. So many impromptu chants, the standing o for Joel, the encouragement after timeouts … At one point I thought the crowd cared more about the game than the players did.

I think one of the problems of playing without B-Roy is that Sergio is not playing with Rudy. Rudy can get going on his own, but Sergio seems to thrive on Rudy’s energy and seems a little discombobulated without him. I don’t know what I’d do differently tho, Bayless is definitely not starting material. After one of his disrupted drives I yelled “that worked in Summer League because you were playing against rookies – it doesn’t work now!” (unless you are Brandon Roy.) Sometimes I think JB is a little overconfident.

And Ben, yes, the Nic experiment will be over when Martell comes back, but until then I don’t want to see Travis messing up the starters again. Nic may not be contributing much, but he’s not disrupting the flow. Way too often Travis forgets that passing is an option – often the better option. Sigh.

I really wanted to see Channing play last night – Ike wasn’t a liability, but Channing is quicker and can hit from distance. But then since most everyone was having an off night he might have too. I move we do away with the "hardest worker’ award. JJ1 was traded after he won it, and now Channing is DNP-CD more often than not – and he doesn’t even use the parking space.

by jorga on Jan 3, 2009 8:09 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Your area must have been loud

But where I was I was one of only five cheering in four sections. It was bad

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Jan 3, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

my area

isn’t the loudest, but is certainly not quiet in spite of some elderly season ticket holders ;-) This game wasn’t in contention for the loudest I’ve witnessed, but I heard things from the fans that I haven’t heard before (besides the “Chandler sucks” chant – or whatever it was, I never did make out the words) that were originated elsewhere in the Garden and picked up by us.

What level are your seats? A couple of years ago I sat on the Lexus Club Level a few games and that was embarrassingly quiet. My seats were corporation seats and I’m guessing that lots on that level are and many of the people in them were there because the seats were available to them, not because they were Blazer/sports fans. You know, a sophisticated bunch slumming for the night.

by jorga on Jan 3, 2009 3:34 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Behind basket

Visitors side. My area really had very little life.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Jan 4, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Did you go to the Boston game?

Homer: "Yikes....a bear is eating my father!!"
Selma: "I'm Selma"
Homer: "A talking bear is eating my father!!"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 3, 2009 11:11 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No, why?

by jorga on Jan 3, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The missing ingredient

Sure, Roy was gone and with his absence the glaring need for the Blazers was Martell Webster. The Outlaw/Batum combination against Posey and Peija was an Achilles’ heel. Batum is not active enough on offense and Outlaw was a liability in every aspect other than an occasional made shot. The Blake/Rudy/Bayless combo was just too small to sustain any success against their front line. But an active Martell could’ve made the difference and it’s with Roy being out that this team sorely misses him.

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by LaughingJon on Jan 3, 2009 8:20 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Roy would have helped

But so would fan energy. People are sitting eating and being quiet again.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Jan 3, 2009 8:46 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what you're talking bout

It wasn’t quiet where I was …not even close (at least until the last 3mins or so anyway)

Homer: "Yikes....a bear is eating my father!!"
Selma: "I'm Selma"
Homer: "A talking bear is eating my father!!"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 3, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There were a couple of areas that made noise.

But icould point to them and it didn’t seem to spread.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Jan 4, 2009 12:16 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

the missing ingredient was lma 5 of 18

December 18, 2008.

"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212

by maid tu rek on Jan 3, 2009 9:10 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I blame this on the fans

If fans can raz the players for suckitude, then I’m razzing the fans. That was hands down the quietest game I’ve been to this year. I saw bonehead plays but the fans last night were 90 percent pathetic.

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Jan 3, 2009 8:44 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

We need to trade the fanbase away

They are soft.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Tisk Tisk

You can’t say someone is “soft” without also saying, “bro.”

by tominhawaii on Jan 3, 2009 9:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, we need much tougher fans

Like…umm…De…no…Chi…fugetaboutit…Phil….no…uhmm…Huh. I’m lost like Dory the blue fish in Finding Nemo.

by Norsktroll on Jan 3, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You mock

but I speak the truth.

This fanbase talks all the time about tough play. You would think it would be the main thing with this fanbase, the way they talk. But let me ask you this:

1. How many rebounds has the fanbase pulled in this year? Hmmm?
2. How many points in the paint? Blocked shots? Good hard box outs?
3. How many hard fouls does the fanbase have? How many flagrant 2s? How is it that, as much as the fanbase talks about toughness, Tyson Chandler has more flagrant 2s than the Blazers fanbase?

The Trailblazers fanbase and toughness — all talk, no action. What a bunch of wimps.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's a vocal minority

that complains about the soft players. I, sir, like my players as soft as my Charmin tissue paper.

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by LaughingJon on Jan 3, 2009 11:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

We're talking NBA

Not WNBA.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The win against Boston

without Roy was an aberration. If Blake wouldn’t have been shooting lights out in the first half, we would have been too far off the pace to be competitive in the second half. Then, there was Aldridge’s torrid shooting in the 2nd half (an exception rather than the rule), Oden actually was able to stay on the floor and Outlaw also had a good game. That win took exceptional performances from 4 of our players. That ain’t going to happen very often..

Bottom line, without Roy this year, we’re less than a mediocre team.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Jan 3, 2009 9:14 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with much of that

But every NBA team isn’t the Celtics. The Blazers are capable of defending their home court against most opponents sans Roy. They just need to give maximum effort. Last night it was clear they had a Celtic win hangover. And come on: David West was on fire & LMA was ice cold.

Bottom line: without Roy, the Blazers are still a talented young squad capable of doing some damage. I think they’ll surprise you vs the Lakers.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Jan 3, 2009 1:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm

There was also Aldridge’s horrid shooting in the first half, Rudy’s awful shooting, Nic’s inability to score, and less than stellar play from Sergio and Jerryd. And Boston shooting about 99.99% on FTs.

All that ain’t going to happen very often, either.

I beg to differ. Without Roy this year, we’re a mediocre team that would still win quite a few games at home, even against good teams, and win some on the road, too. Without Brandon, we still have too much size inside for a lot of teams, and it can create problems for a lot of teams besides Boston.

If you can't convince them, confuse them -- Harry Truman, U.S. President

by jscot on Jan 3, 2009 1:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps.

Pretty lame though jscot that you have to insert “less than stellar play … from Jerryd”. Oh sure, we’ve really come to expect stellar play from him all right. He has done absolutely nothing all season (mostly of course as a result of no playing time). Also – not quite in the lame category, but maybe more like hobbling – there is your “Nic’s inability to score” comment. He hasn’t been doing that for some time now; he is not in the starting lineup for his scoring prowess.

Proof will be in the pudding. We’ll unfortunately have several games to judge our team’s effectiveness without Roy.

Brandon Roy just destroyed everything in his path. There's your rational analysis -- Dave

by TwoDeep on Jan 4, 2009 4:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"We lost this game in so many ways"

Unfortunately very true. I don’t really want to add to that, lets just move on.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Jan 3, 2009 11:06 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

they pay them millions of dollars...

 i pay 10% of my yearly net income and i need to step up?

by Blazerland on Jan 3, 2009 11:17 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Ha

good point

"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach

by jamon51 on Jan 3, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing Greg the happiest he's been all year

while sitting on the bench at the beginning of the 1st half and not starting pissed me off a tad bit. Perhaps all of those smiles while he was riding the pine was mere coincidence. Must admit though, it kind of ticked me off.

Good to see Brandon stay out for at least one more game as to not re aggravate that hamstring.

As referenced by Dave – good to see JB get some burn in as well.

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by Net Ranger on Jan 3, 2009 1:53 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

It's time to think trades if we're going to contend for the playoffs.

I’ve wanted to support Travis Outlaw and Channing Frye. But at this point, the bad they do far outweighs the good. Channing cannot get his game going and I don’t think he will in this system. Travis can have good games, but his inconsistency and lack of aggression are hurting him.

I’ve heard about the poor point guard play, but how many great point guards are there we have to go up against? Old man Nash, CP3, No-shot Kidd and Deron Williams? This is a league becoming dominated by excellent forwards.

Am I a fair-weather fan for thinking it’s time to package these two? I think Ike Diogu and Jerryd Bayless will excel with this franchise. Even though Ike’s shot looks like he might miss the toilet after a trip to taco bell he’s the perfect compliment to Aldridge coming off the bench. Diogu’s style of banging underneath compliments Aldridge perfectly. Bayless, well, everyone knows how good he can be, I just think he needs to believe in himself a little more. We saw glimpses of him understanding what he needs to do. Get fouled, go to the line, get a little attention from the D and open things up for his teammates. The rest will come in time.

We need a forward. I’d be willing to give up Travis and Channing for a Stojakovich or Hedo. Mike Miller, Wally Szczerbiak. Gerald Wallace could be the crazy element we need in a squad full of straight shooters. The dude can create, score and who wants to be on the Bobcats?

Or…..dare I say…. Kevin Durant??? #1 and #2 on the same team?

Only KP can decide, but his gears are turning on how to make this team a deep playoff contender. Not just barely getting into the circus.

One more thought about point guards, Aaron Brooks anyone?

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jan 3, 2009 2:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Diogu love after actually seeing him play calls into question the rest of your post.

Seriously, he has worse hands than Joel by a long shot. He’s fumbled more balls away than {insert off color joke here…}

by raoulduke on Jan 3, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude's got boards.

He’s a rookie. He’s not feeling on par with his peers. He’s like Joel was 2 or 3 seasons ago and look at Joel’s progress with the Blazers staff now. PLUS he’s got a capable jump shot that I only see being held back by nerves. Nate runs a tight ship and has a packed roster. I think it’s affecting all of our players and making them a little less likely to risk a shot.

Just don’t be surprised to see Diogu show up while Roy’s out and Channing is essentially in a suit on the bench. I think he’s going to be a serious X factor in one of the games. I’d like to see him against Odom.

And it’s not like Bayless has done anything more than Diogu, but every fan seems to want to kiss him on the mouth. Sorry if I’m more a fan of defensive fundamentals.

Life is hilarious.

by SolGoode on Jan 3, 2009 7:54 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Diogu do well. He hasn't so far.

He’s not a rookie, he’s a third year player with hands of steel. Maybe it’s just nerves. i suspect he’ll get a chance to prove otherwise. But clearly, he hasn’t shown it yet.

Bayless, at least has shown the ability to take one dribble and retain possession, Ike hasn’t.

by raoulduke on Jan 3, 2009 10:28 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Fourth year

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by jscot on Jan 4, 2009 7:20 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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