this for a little but it kinda makes sense

It wouldn’t be the worst thing in the world for the Blazers to go after Shaq.

I had to read that a couple times over. wasn’t expecting that at all!! but i’ve thought it over and there is a good chance Shaq would bring a banner to PDX in the next couple years (we may do that even without Shaq) so I would welcome him with somewhat open arms.

It’s a hard idea to grasp. After seeing that Game 7 when he demolished us and…. well, delivered us one of the most painful losses in Blazer history, it would be hard to root for him, although once he put on the Blazer #32 I would probably forgive him.

I like the idea, not just because Shaq adds a dynamic that would help in the playoffs, but because if it doesn’t work, it’s easy to trade a $21 million dollar expiring contract.

I guess I’m happy with a trade or without. Sure, we could be better this year, but it’s not like we don’t have enough talent. Shaq is a very interesting idea, though. I’m going to have to think about it a bit.

I like it Dave.

We’ve won 1 title in 38 years. Rings don’t just grow on trees. You have to be willing to go get them.

Great creativity.

as suggesting the Blazers go after that guy who wears #24 for the Lakers.

As an aside, I saw a 2 year old at the supermarket tonight wearing a Kobe jersey and I thought about knocking him over. Does this make me a bad person?

Are you trying to incite a revolution?

In all seriousness though, there is no way this deal gets done without giving up at least one of our small forwards. Sergio + Frye + Ike + Shav (Maybe, unless you only meant the active playing time depth chart) + Joel + RLEC isn’t enough for Steve Kerr to pull the deal. Unless you catch him on a day he is doing commentary for NBA Live, and he’s distracted.

Shaq looks like an old dude who still has something left in the tank with the right minutes,Amare on the other hand is a"Im a star,D is for the peons" kind of guy who can put up stats while his team loses and feel good about it

If the suns would bite, we would get a huge expiring contract NEXT year. You know, the year that every sports writer in the country wont stop talking about when a couple guys around the league are going to possibly be moving. More importantly, he could mentor Greg, and make us an absolute nightmare at the center position.

I think I could live with that. Greg could learn a lot from Shaq about how to be a bully and get away with it. I would also rather enjoy us and Shaq beating Kobe. I would feel a little sad for loosing Priz though, he works so hard for us.

in the Hack-A-Shaq

our three-pt. sharpshooters would love it. shaq’s teams are always good 3-ball shooters.

is totally up to Shaq. We all know what his gifts are. But he is the biggest personality in the league.

He has proven over his career that he want to win and he wants to win championships. We give him the one of the best chances he’s got if he were to be traded. He does fit with us extremely well.

maybe if he agrees to stay on as an assistant coach / bodyguard for paul allen

If we could do it without losing Joel, I’d be open to discuss. After all, Shaq only has a couple of years left in the tank while Joel has several years left…of course, that’d be a plethora of centers…

Dave, I think someone hacked into your account.

They haven’t shown much. Sergio is very up and down and not really a threat as a backup to Nash. They really covet Joel? Nothing against Shaq but he is injury prone as heck. Half a good season hasn’t convinced me he isn’t too old to be playing in this league. He has always wanted to be the alpha dog…you can see it coming through in Phx. After he got traded he said all the right things about how he was gonna defer. Lately, he’s been calling for more of a role in the Offense. It’s more important to develop Oden than to sign an over-the-hill Shaq at this stage in our team’s ascension.

so, i think they’d be more inclined to keep o’neal and part with nash/stoudemire.

SHAQ?! Really?! HELL NO! I literally was so outraged by this suggestion I signed up for a BEdge screen name. Shaq is the last thing we need. Oden & Pryz have things seriously covered. I seriously think Center is the last position we need to “stock up” on. Not to mention LA can sub in there when needed from time to time. On top of all that, Shaq is all but dead. He can’t even play two games in a row! Not to mention he looks like he weighs about 450 pounds, and can barely trot across half-court before the shot clock is up. I’m not trying to be mean, but after just watching Spurs / Suns, he is the last person I’d pick from either team to add to the Blazers!!!

we shouldn’t do it for that reason. we need room in there so our all-star 2 guard can get to the rim for the and one. he isn’t what we need

Shaq won’t win us a title next year. He also won’t resign with the Blazers when his contract runs out. It’s like renting a really annoying guy for a year.

Cuby likes the taste of Cactus Butt!

now my head hurts to much

He’s said he’s afraid of the irrational exuberance running through this thread.
And so am I.

tomorrow’s poll might have to be: if shaq is traded to portland, would you buy his jersey?

The fatty*thing wasjusto werid.

Shaq would stunt the development of Greg and make Joel worthless. Greg will be playing 30+ minutes after the allstar break. Shaq would not be happy coming off the bench for 12 minutes a night.

Let the cake bake. Tinker around the edges if you must, but leave the big three alone for a bit. Imagine Greg and the supporting crew increasing their familiarity and effectiveness as much in the next 30 games as they have over the last 30.

Please don’t derail that growth process.

And he does bring a ton of experience. This idea is just crazy though.

…put down the pipe Master Dave, slowly…..

LOL. No way at all.

The guy likes to be a mentor to young guys or at least he takes credit for such things. Who better to teach oden how to be a dominate big man than Shaq? Shaq can still ball too…when motivated.

Now, if Steve Kerr really wants to retool and have Terry Porter install a slow-paced halfcourt offense, then he should attempt to ship Steve Nash to the Toronto Raptors in a trade that’s centered around Jose Calderon.

So, with that concept in mind, here’s a realistic three-team trade proposal that accomplishes said objective.

FROM MIAMI
SF Shawn Marion
C Jamaal Magloire

FROM PHOENIX
PG Steve Nash

FROM TORONTO
C Jermaine O’Neal
PG Jose Calderon

TO MIAMI
C Jermaine O’Neal

TO PHOENIX
PG Jose Calderon
C Jamaal Magloire

TO TORONTO
SF Shawn Marion
PG Steve Nash

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=4985105922806615&teams=2128282114&te=&cash=

For the Miami Heat, that’d give the ballclub a traditional starting lineup of Jermaine O’Neal, Udonis Haslem, Yakhouba Diawara, Dwyane Wade, and Mario Chalmers — as Haslem is currently being played way out of position at center — with Joel Anthony, Michael Beasley, James Jones, Daequan Cook, and Chris Quinn forming a decent second unit.

For the Phoenix Suns, it’d rid the franchise of any remnants from the old up-tempo, run-and-gun offense that was once implemented by former head coach Mike D’Antoni. On the whole, Kerr would have an opportunity to further put his stamp on things.

For the Toronto Raptors, the acquisition of Steve Nash would sell lots of tickets due to him being a Canadian native. On the court, though, a starting lineup of Andrea Bargnani, Chris Bosh, Shawn Marion, Anthony Parker, and Nash could run with the best of them. Interior defense and rebounding would be a major issue, however, since Bargnani would constantly get abused in the paint — although Marion could pick up some of the slack on the boards — yet, that’d be a small price to pay when it comes to operating a fast-paced offense.

I became a Blazer Fan in 2003, a year after I moved here, so I don’t have the old Blazer animosity toward Shaq. I think an old, fat Shaq still tooled Joel Pryzbilla earlier this year, and probably always will be better than Joel. The rest of the pieces we give up are nice to have to add depth to our ten man rotation, but not really necessary come playoff time, when the addition of a playoff-tested veteran like Shaq can really pay off, not only to tell people what to expect, but also to deflect some of the media attention from the rest of our team. Do it!

you cant get that tickle out of your brain because it’s a trade rumor, and just like they were in high school, rumors are AWESOME, and rad, and my point being, this is the BEdge, we should go get LeBron, and Dwane, and start them all with Brandon at the 1-2-3. Oh, but then that might hamper Bayless’ growth. And Rudy…

Drats! Foiled Again!

( I should try to get Shaq teaching Oden like Kareem teaches Bynum out of my head…)

(Think of all the ribs to be broken…)

1) Main gist is, we’d upgrade our “other” center from Przybilla to Snaq.
This may be an improvement NOW, but long-term, we’d be thinner at center.
(Freeland prospects aside, of course.)
Considering Przy is already great depth, this would be an unnecessary improvement
in our current situation from good to better, but downgrading our future from good to mediocre.
In other words, unnecessarily borrowing from tomorrow to be greedy today.
Since Pritchard is on record as saying the 2-6-years-from-now is the impending peak of this team,
and that no changes will be made in a win-now spirit that degrade that window (and I agree),
such a rob-the-future-to-get-better-now thing is just not the Blazer model.

2) If Snaq is on the table, then that means Nash-Stoudemire beat Snaq-Porter in the struggle.
If so, then Porter would be out as well as Snaq. Guess which one of those two I want in salvage?

3) Then again, if Nash-Stoudemire loses out, maybe they don’t pick up Nash’ 09-10 option,
and start SERIOUSLY rebuilding around Stoudemire and the payroll slash from letting Nash go
and utilizing Snaq next year as the mother of all expiring contracts.
Heck, maybe they even make a run at LeBrawn/Wade/Bosh.

Anyway, in THAT scenario, let’s sign Nash in the offseason.
Barring Phoenix holding onto him, only 2009-cap-space teams (which are very few)
could compete for his services, and any of those besides us would rather roll it over to 2010.
Make no trades, and sign Nash in the offseason.
And if his 09-10 option is picked up, go for a RLEC-and-pieces trade for him at the deadline.

the problem for me is chemistry. IF, and ONLY IF, Shaq was willing to play back-up would I welcome this trade. Having Shaq around to teach GO would be great. I feel as though Shaq could help Greg develop his skills, swagger and fine tune his comedic game. I could see those too big dudes being little bother/big brother on one another.

I could also see the trade stunting GO’s growth too. Too much ego and controversy over who starts and playing time could be bad. Plus Shaq will need to learn that GO’s name isn’t Greg ODEMS!!

if kazaam comes to portland, just imagine how his ability to talk his team up will help the blazers. just imagine hgow in ever press conference shaq calls oden his apprentice and the “next aristotle” and that he’s happy he’s old… but of course still better looking than greg. the possibilities are endless.

ill miss pryz if he goes, but the press conferences! the press conferences!!!!

I can’t believe how many of you agree with this idea.
ya’ll hear a bell and start runnin.

As I read this post, it’s 1:45 am and there’s already 168 comments. I’m too lazy to read ‘em all. I assume many have made the same point. But what have you been smoking, Dave? Shaq has revived himself somewhat this season, but he’s still just a couple years away from dotage. By the time the rest of the Blazers are truly ready to start their (hopeful) dynasty, Shaq will be ready for a walker.

THEN there’s the financial issues. And the culture issues. And the chemistry issues. And…

He sang a song about his butt. I don’t think the fans are ready to go back to having players on the roster with low character.

The things GO needs most for his development is (in this order).. 1) minutes 2) minutes, and 3) minutes. Shaq will do NOTHING but retard the development of the next great center. I also don’t see Shaq as the “mentor” that everyone seems to think he would be. I have a feeling that his ego would get in the way of him trying to help develop the guy who will eventually take over the mantle of most dominant big man in the association.
I do agree that he would give Rip City a better chance at a ring this season, and maybe next, but I still don’t think that Shaq would be enough to get past the L@kers, not to mention the Cavs or the Celts. I am not sure that the long-term ramifications justify it. Blazer fans just need to be patient.

I’d rather try to pull the aging Nash away from them, have to give up Sergio or Bayless, but Nash has a few solid years in him that would make this team Nashty!!

in THAT locker room. Ben? Ben! Beeeeen?!!! Am I Wrong Here?!

Pick up the phone, give me a call….this won’t work.
This thread will implode in T-minus 10 seconds.

this may be the best or worst move in franchise history. but, you know, who cares?

Maybe, sure, if he was willing to enter that chapter in his life.

As a player who wants to play 30 minutes most games, and a complete and total dominant personality who would take over everything we do on the court and be the unavoidable focal point off of the court… I dunno, I don’t think I’d like it.

I’d rather go through the struggles of Oden, over the minutes juggling and ego soothing Shaq would bring.

It’s a fun idea though.

Just as a side random note, on the coach/mentor tip, everyone talks about how Kareem has helped Bynum so much by being one of his coaches, and I dunno if people remember that Kareem coached Olowakandi back when he was the Clippers #1 pick as well.

I was watching an old Clippers game back when they were fun, with Odom and Miles and whatnot, on NBA TV, and when Kandi Man would come in and be completely garbage (it was amazing how bad he was), the announcers would keep talking about all the work Kareem was doing with him and how great it was going to make Kandi Man.

I dunno if I have a point, as I’d love for Kareem or Hakeem or Shaq teaching Oden all the secrets of the Big Men, I just thought it was funny with 20/20 hindsight.

Mr. Mortimer

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HAHAHA. Well played Dave, but I am going to call your bluff your on this one. I think the depth chart tipped me off…

I don’t think a trade like this is worthwhile unless we really believe we are immediate contenders.. and I don’t think this is enough to make us contenders.. I don’t believe in the myth of Shaq the Mentor.. I think Greg learns more useful things playing with Joel who has learned to be an effective defender without fouling out every game. I also disagree that Joel’s value for the Blazers will decrease that soon.. even with Greg pushing into 35 mpg territory (where he should be) I think Joel’s efficiency would even make him an asset in that 10-15mpg territory.

therefore I can’t quit on Joel.

To heck with Shaq.

Dave… blink twice if you or your loved ones are being held at gunpoint, and you need us to contact the authorities.. this clearly must be a hostage situation

What if Shaq Landed in SA than Blazers?
This trade make sense.

give us j.rich for rlec and a pick

it wouldn’t be that worse of a trade for the blazers..

I think the extra year on j.rich’s contract vs. the ugh that is shaq ooozing on our team is about a wash..

or how about ike for grant hill … and matt barnes.. sure why not..
whole sale down in az

if you couldn’t tell.. I think the Blazers trading for Shaq is a lose-lose-lose situation

I had a hard time with Scottie Pippen, back when. I liked that Kelvin Cato wrote children’s books. But then Snack eats children

of the Trade Machine on the main page.

Check this out:
Blazers get: Snack O’Meal
Suns get: Our Collective Soul

Alright just kidding. But I wouldn’t be too excited about this deal. For a couple reasons. One is I just feel that if the Shaq, Nash, Stoudemire experiment in Phoenix isn’t working, after a coaching change and a huge commitment, then that tells me Shaq just doesn’t have much left in the tank. 4-5 years ago you the simple combination of Nash and Shaq would of had the league trembling. Now watching Phoenix is like going to a classic car show, you might see a lot of things you like but they’re really expensive, high maintenance and when you think about it you realize you wouldn’t want to drive it EVERYDAY anyway. I like the Honda Accordness of Pryzbilla. How’s that for a sentence you thought you’d never read?

Secondly, I don’t like this hypothetical mainly because I don’t think we “need” to do it. The Blazers are at a point in development where I think success is inevitable. The level of obtainable success should grow mainly with experience and development. In a few years if we are talking about division titles, conference titles and ultimately THE title, it will be primarily because of our nuculeus, Brandon, LMA and Oden. Phoenix went after Shaq because their window was closing. They realized it. They rolled the dice. But our window is opening. Obtaining Shaq while interesting, seems like a gimic. We’d have the great Young center that looks old and the great Old center that talks young. We’d have an All-Star team of post game interviews. But no, I even think Shaq’s presence could hamper Odens development. It would be devastating when Oden realizes Shaq is far better at Karaoke then he will ever be. No good things are here now, in my opinion we have the best center tandem in the league in Oden and Pryzbilla, and while Oden and Shaq would still give us a different best center tandem in the league, tangibly how much better is Shaq than Pryzbilla at this point in his career? Even if you believe Shaq offers a significant upgrade, speculate a season from now or two? Nah, don’t need to do it, so why? The Blazers are the emerging Young Guns, Shaq is an Icy Hot Patch attached to an Old Superstar.

imo

He just would be contractually banned from showing Greg how to shoot free throws.

Joel fits our window better and obviously makes a few dollars less.

I don’t have any problems with Shaq on the team from a “blasphemous” point of view. I think the league and fans are pretty lucky to have witnessed Shaq’s colorful career.

Dave does it and it gets rec’d!

I agree, sign Roy to whatever it takes. If it means a max deal, fine. No problems.

But Aldridge? I think you’ve got to sign him at market price. This ain’t the late 90’s where anybody averaging 10pts/game gets a max deal up to and including Steve Scheiffler. Aldridge is a fine player, but he’s got hole’s and he is the odd duck out in Portland’s Happy Family. I wouldn’t just assume he is a max guy.