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Larry Brown Giving Mad Props to Blazers

Larry Brown thinks we will be contending soon.

 

“They’ve done a marvelous job,” Brown said. “They have a great coaching staff. Nate is really special, and they have quality (coaches) sitting there. You can see the young guys are improving. Any time soon, they’re going to have as good a power forward as we have in our league, as good a center as we have in our league, and as good a 2 guard as we have in our league – if not now. And they have a lot of pretty good pieces.

“Kevin has done a wonderful job. I love where they are. If you ask any GM in the league, that’s as good a young group as you can have.”

http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=123321369262908300

 

I have always respected Larry Brown. If he was coaching the Trailblazers, we will be in winning a championship within 3 years guaranteed.

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you applaud LB for recognizing Nate’s ability, and in the same breath want him to replace Nate?

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by TheOdenator on Jan 29, 2009 12:42 PM PST reply actions  

No Contradiction

I still have reservations about Nate but I have never called for his firing. At the same time, I believe Larry Brown is a better coach than Nate. He has a track record of turning around teams with less talent. He has a track record of making the playoffs and coaching DEFENSIVE minded teams. He is by far, much more experience than Nate.

by Balian on Jan 29, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The grass is always greener on the other side

My guess is that Nate will end up being the coach other teams covet. As for Brown, of course he’s a great coach. But he’s also a needy head case. And I’d DIE if I had to hear him using the phrase “play the right way” every post-game interview.

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by hurryup09 on Jan 29, 2009 1:13 PM PST up reply actions  

that is the craziest assertion ever

larry brown who has won one championship ever would be the perfect coach for our young guys because.. why? I respect the guy too but unless he bring a healthy Gerald Wallace with him.. this is preposterous… the Blazers ability to win a championship is about development of talent.. I don’t recall this even being one of LBs strong suits.

Now if we haven’t made the conference finals in three years with Nate, I’d start considering a new coach to make that next step.. but now we have exactly the coaching staff we need

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by idoltime on Jan 29, 2009 12:44 PM PST reply actions  

brown is the only coach in basketball history

to win an NBA ring (Detroit) and a college ring (Kansas). he also has taken two other teams to runner-up status (Philly and UCLA). basically as long as the guy is breathing, he’s probably better than the coach on your bench, and most coaches know it.

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by Dodoh on Jan 30, 2009 12:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I love how

other scouts, coaches, and broadcasters absolutely love LaMarcus, while there is a segment of the Blazer fanbase that doesn’t like his game.

by Cablinasian on Jan 29, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions  

Its his defense in particular that alot of us are vocal about as you well know.

i <3 LMA a lot though.

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by BlazerFan1 on Jan 29, 2009 12:46 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry sophia

im going to have to disagree with you there.

theres a number that a fair number of people quote when referring to good defensive players over a season: 100 blocks and 100 steals.

i feel honestly that LMA can have that particular number every year, in fact i remember jordan/pippen used to get it quite regularly when they made the all defensive teams.

the only gripe i have about LMAs defense is his rotations and his defensive rebounding, everything else is good in my book. hes a 6’11" guy who can play good perimeter defense to some degree, and also play decent post defense.

if LMA has 100 blocks, 100 steals and 7-8 defensive rebounds per game i guarantee he will be up for all defensive team.

by Yawnie on Jan 29, 2009 12:58 PM PST up reply actions  

LMA Is Still Young

He is still young and is improving on both ends. I don’t have a problem whatsoever with his defense except for rebounding. In that area, he might be a little soft. Lets hope he gets better at rebounding. Then again, we have Greg Oden and your man Batum.

by Balian on Jan 29, 2009 1:00 PM PST up reply actions  

sorry sophia

i will definitely have to disagree with you. I think LMA plays great defense a lot of the time. He can’t just become the tim duncan of this league after just playing 2 seasons.

by Stegie33 on Jan 29, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I've been hearing this more and more lately...

but I don’t get it.

Could he get more rebounds? Yes. Could he get better position (on both sides of the court)? Yes. But a bad defender?

I’m not saying he’s the greatest defender in the league, in the West, in the division, or even on the team… but he’s not a bad defender.

What’s the beef with his D? Where’s the numbers (seriously, I haven’t found anything that says he’s a statistically weak defender)? Show me, Sophia.

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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 29, 2009 1:34 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

disagree as well

I don’t think LMA is a bad defender. While he certainly could improve in the areas of on-ball low post defense, getting there quicker as a help defender on drives, and boxing out on the defensive boards, his strength as a defender IMHO is his versatility.

He brings things to the defensive end of the court that other guys with his height at his position just don’t – the ability to hold his own on the perimeter on most switches (there’s a reason other teams pick with the guy guarding Greg/Joel and not the guy guarding LMA), and the ability to be used effectively as a full an half cour trapper. That, plus his aboe average help shot blocking and active hands that generate steals, make him a good defender now, with the body and toolset to turn into a very good, if not great, defender as he improves his post defense and blocking out.

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by douglast on Jan 29, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

going against the grain

LMA has some good defensive skills but those rebounding and rotation (esp. when Oden/Joel helps – I can remember at least a couple of plays from the game vs. Bobcats where LMA should have rotated to cover the hoop and missed it) pieces are pretty key… my mom is ALWAYS talking trash on his defensive skills

 besides for that.. I think most of his defensive shortcomings during games are because of the flaws in our wing defenders..

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
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by idoltime on Jan 29, 2009 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks Sophia!!!!!!!!!! You just provoked the greatest outpouring of LMA praise in a long time!!!!!!!!

I don’t think that anyone has much doubt as to what I think about LMA so I wont write too much here. What will say is that even I have had my moment of doubt as to why he seemed to falter from time to time, but never let there be any doubt as to what I believe about him in the long term. He will soon fully develop into the PF that this team needs him to be. Someone closer to a “Sheed” in playing style as opposed to a low post bruiser. Fortunately we have Oden to perform that low post bruiser role.

Thanks again Soph!

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by LaMarvelous on Jan 29, 2009 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Are we showing support for #12?

Count me in.

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by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 30, 2009 2:12 AM PST up reply actions  

Coach Brown is nice...

But he isn’t gonna be able to relate to the Blazers the way Nate does.

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by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 29, 2009 1:31 PM PST reply actions  

That was freaking hilarious.

+1

I’d give it a +2 if I could.

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by T Darkstar on Jan 29, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

not to mention

Brown wouldn’t win a championship here three years from now—he would have quit and joined another team by then.

by abdelnaby on Jan 29, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Sure Buddy

Can you really blame Larry Brown for the fiasco that is still the NY Knicks? Looks who was his boss: Isiah Thomas. The Detroit Pistons are sure winning championships after he left. LOL.

Um, Larry Brown would love Brandon Roy, LaMarcus, and Oden. They will play the “right way” for Brown.

Stop being homers and think Nate is the greatest coach in the history of the NBA. I have yet to see a great defensive NBA team coached by Nate.

by Balian on Jan 29, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

no homerness here.. but you haven’t put out a single bit of evidence that would suggest that the Blazers would be any different of a team with LB than Nate..

Are you a Larry Brown homer?!?!

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum

by idoltime on Jan 29, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions  

And

And you have yet provided a single piece of evidence that he would not. Larry Brown won championships both in college and at the pro level. He has turned around numerous NBA franchise. He has coached defensive minded NBA teams.

Where is your evidence that Nate is better coach? He has yet to take this team to the playoffs.

And no, I am not a Larry Brown homer. I just know my basketball history.

by Balian on Jan 29, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Um...

I don’t think the Blazers need to be ‘turned around’ – they’re headed in the right direction. I’ll keep Nate, thanks.

by DonkeyShins on Jan 29, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd say you are a homer

definition of a homer would be cheering the good and ignoring the bad and you ignore some pretty strong bad.

LB, when younger, did do those things. His more recent history (past four or five years) is much less appealing and your current body of work is what you are most judged by.

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by ratbastird on Jan 29, 2009 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

its your arguement

I didn’t say Nate was a better coach…

I just said there is no evidence to warrant you saying the Blazers would be ‘winning a championship within 3 years guaranteed’. Larry Brown may have a LOT of history that you are aware of but he has all of ONE championship in that time and he didn’t do it with a team that he raised from lil’ pups by any means.

At least if you had said Phil Jackson I would have thought.. well.. here is a guy who has definitely had a ton of success coaching teams to be winners.. it still doesn’t justify an idiotic “guarantee”..

What evidence would I even have that the Blazers would or would not be champions in three years regardless of who there coach was? I think you argument is additionally flawed because I really don’t know if I believe that this Blazer team without one more significant change to the roster would be able to win a championship.. even if you were to bring Dr. Ramsay back from retirement or Red freakin’ Auerbach back from the grave!!!

its your dumb assertion… why would I bring evidence when I’m just saying you have no justification in saying that

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum

by idoltime on Jan 29, 2009 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

FYI

I am NOT calling for Nate’s head. It would be detrimental to the team right now to change direction. However, I am not a big fan of Nate so far. We will see how it goes. Perhaps, he will adjust and get better. One can always hope.

I still think Larry Brown has a better chance of getting the job done. He at least has the track record. That is just an opinion.

by Balian on Jan 29, 2009 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

and on a similar note.. like I said above.. if there was evidence that Nate wasn’t progressing with this team at what is probably a reasonable rate.. well.. I said it in my previous comment and I’ve said it many other places.. I like Nate.. sometimes.. and definitely feel that this team is doing very well for such a young team (look at the roster of the rookie team and tell me how many of those players are on teams as good as the Blazers?)

however.. even if I thought Nate was perfect up to this point it doesn’t prove that he can get the Blazers into the playoffs, get them past the first round, get them into the conference finals, get them into the finals, and… well.. the important one.. and he has very little track record doing any of those things and I’ve said (on record) that if this team hesitates at all (barring injury) in the expected development then management MUST hire someone else.. I don’t know if that is Larry Brown.. but he does have more experience (esp. playoff coaching ) and that is important…

however.. even if I thought Nate was perfect up to this point it doesn’t prove that he can get the Blazers into the playoffs, get them past the first round, get them into the conference finals, get them into the finals, and… well.. the important one.. and he has very little track record doing any of those things and I’ve said (on record) that if this team hesitates at all (barring injury) in the expected development then management MUST hire someone else.. I don’t know if that is Larry Brown.. but he does have more experience (esp. playoff coaching ) and that is important…I was just rubbed the wrong way by you suggesting there is some guarantee that LB would actually even be a good fit of a coach for this team and actually lead us to a ring in three years.. that’s like one of those guaran’sheeds’ that ’Sheed used to deliver until started getting them wrong..

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum

by idoltime on Jan 29, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

sometimes

but when I close my eyes and count to three all of the double vision usually clears..

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum

by idoltime on Jan 29, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I tried that once

but the cop said I failed the test. Also he made me touch my nose. What a weirdo.

by ryryslyry on Jan 29, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

seriously occifer

i’m not nearly as stoned as your drunk I am

"Slum dunk? You just go to the rim, and crush.. crush the ball in the rim."
- Nic Batum

by idoltime on Jan 29, 2009 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Uhm you didn't watch the Olympics huh?

It’s not Blazer “Homers” saying Nate is a good defensive coach, it is NBA coaches, Players, and GM’s, so please don’t accuse us “Homers” of such things.

Nate connects with his players, he hangs out with his players, goes to dinner with his players… Nate KNOWS his players. That is the difference between Nate and Larry Brown as far as what they bring to the table.

Larry Brown is doing a great job with Charlotte, but they need the discipline that he brings to the table, and the respect he demands. He would not be a great fit in Portland, he might work, but Nate is better for this team. Period.

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by Outlaw is Rejector on Jan 29, 2009 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

LOL

Are you seriously going use the experience in the Olympics as Exhibit A for Nate’s defensive coaching acumen? Really? Do you realize Team USA was by far the most talented fielded at the Olympics? Why don’t you try his experience in NBA.

by Balian on Jan 29, 2009 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

This is why Team USA lost the previous olympics?

There was in fighting with players, LB didn’t know how to use the talent he had and defend the weaknesses he had.

Watching his experience in the NBA he’s left situations instead of leading situations. He jumped ship multiple times (Detroit to NY to quiting) screwing the GM each time.

So yeah, i’ll pass thank you. In three years, Nate will have a championship. not only that, we’ll get more in the following years and that’s more than you’d get with LB.

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by ratbastird on Jan 29, 2009 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

The 04 team had mostly the same players

but Krzyzewski is 100x the motivator that Brown is.

Tactically, Brown’s a genius. Personality-wise, he’s a !#.

Coach K has got both sides of the equation down pat. Plus recruiting—something that is a concern for college coaches, but not for pros.

by EngineerScotty on Jan 29, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Huh?

They won way more than they lost. Are you really denying the talents assembled? We are talking about the NBA, not Olympic basketball. We are talking about head coaches, not assistant coaches. Nice try though.

by Balian on Jan 29, 2009 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Nobody's saying Nate is the greatest coach in NBA history

That list starts with Red, includes guys like PJ and Pops. (Jackson, not Carlesimo). And Jerry Sloan, even though he’s never won a title.

Nate? He’s got a long way to go to join that elite company. Could he get there? Sure. Is it guaranteed? Not in the slightest.

Brown? A damn fine coach—but he’s kinda like the Ron Artest of coaches. Artest has the talent to be a top 5 NBA player on both sides of the ball, and on some nights he is. But his personality issues get in the way of his aptitude.

So, no to Brown—at least for now. At best, he’s like that sports car you rent when you want to impress a real hot date; but he’s not reliable transportation.

by EngineerScotty on Jan 29, 2009 3:08 PM PST up reply actions  

We need Carlesimo

coaches with beards are better than coaches who shave regularly. Just check the stats.

by ryryslyry on Jan 29, 2009 3:42 PM PST up reply actions  

What about that ugly slug

that has parasitically attached itself to Stan Van Gundy’s upper lip?

by EngineerScotty on Jan 29, 2009 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

you cant blame him for what happened

in NYK, but he was campaigning for other jobs while he was with Detroit and undermining Mo Cheeks in Philly when he came back as a special adviser under Billy King. I agree he has a good coaching past, but he is turning into a bridge burner and a power grabber, which are 2 things we dont want in Portland. Charlotte seems a good fit for him as Micheal Jordan doesent want and shouldnt have real resposnibilites so it is fine if Larry takes it all there, but I dont want the trainwrecks that he leaves behind.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jan 29, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Here's the correct response...

“Thank you, Mr. Brown, we like them, too.”

Next.

"Now with a non-provocative footer!"

by timbo on Jan 29, 2009 3:58 PM PST reply actions  

Could Brown be sniffing at Nate's job?

He knows that the Blazers gig is better than his current job.

He did coach a young point guard named Kevin Pritchard back at UK—who helped lead Brown to his only NCAA ring; reportedly the two maintain an amicable relationship.

He knows that Nate’s contract is up after next year.

And here he is, buttering up the team and its GM. While he says nice things about Nate, much of the praise concerns the talent assembled by Pritchard.

Larry has had a habit in the past of subtly coveting NBA jobs that were presently filled, like a hot but superficial blonde that hits on every good-looking guy in the room, even if the wife or girffriend is present. His most recent tenure with the Sixers is an example—he smelled Mo Cheeks’ blood in the water, and took a short stint with the team, before realizing he wasn’t getting that gig back, and then called up former Tarheel MJ and planted pucker on posterior.

(It might be an added bonus, I suppose, if the guy who gets knifed in the back went to NC State…)

Or, it could just be random praise offered by the coach to the team that just beat him—which isn’t uncommon in the NBA. Losses are less intolerable when the winning team is good, after all—and Brown is skilled at covering his butt.

by EngineerScotty on Jan 29, 2009 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

WWLBD?

Say something nice about the Blaz’! I done told you he was a cool guy.

≤ˆˆ≥

by tominhawaii on Jan 29, 2009 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

WWLBD? I think mittsabishy covered that topic very nicely... :)

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by LaMarvelous on Jan 29, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

LMA is like fine wine

Just like our other big guy. KP gets paid the big bucks because he recognizes this simple idea.

Simple yes, but so tough to discipline yourself to this basic rule isn’t it?

The real LMA is now just barely just coming out of his cocoon. This butterfly has yet to show his real colors.

Please I’m begin’ all B’Edger’s, diary your hasty judgement for another 12-24 months. It will be worth the wait.

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by Heymoe on Jan 29, 2009 8:32 PM PST reply actions  

oh goodness

Larry Brown is a nerdy bald white guy. He has had some success at coaching. He gained notoriety in college after he got lucky with a few recruiting classes in a program that already had a history of dominance. Then he graduated to the NBA and the results have been mixed. He is no coaching genius. He has ridden his early college success for all that it’s worth. That’s all.

I just don’t think he is worth talking about iin superlative terms.

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by MT Suit on Jan 29, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions  

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