Free Shots at a Dying Horse. (Trade Drawer 1/28)
We've been through it, and back through it, and then have run over it a couple of times just to be really thorough, but there is still no satisfaction to be felt.
The Threshold arguments as I see them are this:
1. We have plenty of talent, which needs time to develop. We have an opportunity to grow at all positions. The strengths and weaknesses present are balanced to the extent that we could develop as a unit, without trading anyone, and be a legitimate contender in the forthcoming seasons. In other words, stay the course.
2. We are not a contender now, and the development of certain positions has been fully realized, or realized to the extent that a trade would be efficient and prudent. We should look to find either a starter at one of our non-critical positions, or a more substantial backup who could carry some of the load when we are down with injury, or just not in sync. We should move now while we have RLEC, and some of our more questionable (and probably beloved) players are high in potential trade value.
Every morning I log in half expecting to see the breaking news revealing trade talks, or a deal that went down over-night. Yet, every morning all I get is game summary or game previews.
So, what is it?
Will the Blazers make a move, and if so who or what?
What position is most needed.
Is our PG situation satisfactory? should we wait and see if Bayless is going to develop, or should we bring in a vet to carry the wait in the interim?
Is our PF situation satisfactory. LMA has had well documented inside presence issues. Is he our guy, or do we look for a banger, either in front of him or behind?
Is Martell going to come back in March and complete us, or should e be looking for a Teyshaun type dynamite guy at SF?
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Martell, you complete me
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer
by Fund A Mental on Jan 28, 2009 10:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
You have to make the little connecting semi-circle motions with your fingers when you say it.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 10:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I did
"It's not who jumps the highest -- it's who wants it the most" Buck Williams
"and if EVERYONE confronted with a tough, disgusting situation pulled out, I don't think I would have been born." Mortimer
by Fund A Mental on Jan 28, 2009 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Perfect practice makes perfect.
by Ojala John on Jan 28, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Fund
So Martell is your love child?
The Seattle Prep superstar, tutored by his Grandma, must rise up.
Martell has the talent, get on the court!
"Tommy like wingy"
by Terry Gamble on Jan 28, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
DOUBT A TRADE IS COMING
Anyone notice how much better the PG position has been in Blake’s absence? Yes, the 3 pt shooting and spreading the floor has been less than desirable. However; man up D, P and R D (with Bayless), offensive pace, etc.. are all better. Seems the young competition at PG has been good for this team. I used to think we needed a PG upgrade. Blake’s injury has proven his worth, but has also shown how important depth is and how deep they can go.
I like LMA and think is one of our future big 3. No way he goes or we try to upgrade PF. That leaves SF and Batum is the reason we wont be trading for a SF. That and the fact that Martell (our most moveable piece at this point) has little value with his injury.
A move with frye/diagu, RLEC and sergio/martell/outlaw would not surprise me. However; I think KP likes his chips and wants to see what their 1st playoff appearance will be like “as is”.
This team has chemistry, youth, some experience, loads of potential and complimentary players. Starters and back ups level each other out and as team defense grows so will their winning %. I doubt KP shakes em up this year. If a trade does happen it will be a role player and not a starter.
by keepfryealive on Jan 28, 2009 10:36 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like the Salmons idea
getting him for nothing more than RLEC and a draft pick would be a steal. We would probably have to take somebody else because Salmons doesn’t make that much, so maybe we would have to waive Shavlik (or whoever we got from the Kings).
by MattyDread on Jan 28, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
F/D, RLEC, S/M/O
I agree that a trade involving one from Column A, the thing in Column B, and one from Column C is probably inevitable. If they trade three things for one, that seems sensible. If they don’t get one super duper player in a trade such as this, it won’t be worth it.
I mean a really super duper player. – Elgin
I get what I deserve. I deserve what I get. I have it so I deserve it. I deserve
it for I have it. I get what I deserve. What I deserve - what I deserve what
I get. I have it so I deserve. - Gentle Giant
by 22baylor on Jan 28, 2009 12:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on you 2nd point, disagree on the first
It isn’t worth it unless it’s for a really good player— a clear starter and upgrade for us at either the 1 or 3 spots.
So, my conclusion is that is far from inevitable, and in fact, I now think it is unlikely. I think we go the route of using the ~9 million in space we will have this summer to make an unbalanced trade – probably on draft day. This could be for a player of the qualitydescribed above who isn’t available now but might be then after his current team decides to rebuild or make a run at the 2010 free agent market.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Jan 28, 2009 3:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was talking about this on another thread...
But I think Raef’s contract is far more valuable ina trade than letting it run out for cap space.
So, I think we trade it.
My idea: RLEC, Blake, and Diogu to Chicago for Hinrich and Larry Hughes.
This entices chicago because they get some good value back for Hinrich, as well as the opportunity to dump Larry Hughes 13 or so million off their books for next year.
We do this because it gives us a tradable asset next year (basically, RLEC ‘09 turns into LHEC ’10), and also gives us Hinrich. (BTW, I don’t even think Larry Hughes would play… but I guess he could…)
I think, when you look and see that our offensive efficiency has been top 3 in the league all season, while our defensive effeciency is towards the bottom of the league, it is obvious that what we need to improve is defense. I think swapping Hinrich for Blake would improve our team defense drastically, and give us more experience the PG position (that is, being a defensive leader, like Brandon mentioned he wanted, and brings playoff experience).
Plus, even though we entice CHicago to do this by the money they save with RLEC and with getting rid of Hughes, Hughes still onyl has one more year left on his contract, and it could still potentially be traded before the trade deadline next year if we want to make another move—or if we dont, then we just let it run out, no big deal, and we still ended up with Hinrich.
by TimG on Jan 28, 2009 10:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Blake has been great for us, but I don’t see any reason to believe this team will ever be better than mediocre defensively with Blake as the starter.
If we don’t improve our defense, it will be a miracle if we don’t get swept in the first round.
by TimG on Jan 28, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I agree, but Roy likes Blake, McMillian likes Blake and Hinrich is not a long term sollution either. So why trade him unless it is for a long term guy?
by The Thinker on Jan 28, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Hinrich not be a long term solution?
He could start immediately (which is not a given if we would e.g. acquire Conley), and back up if Bayless really develops into the starting role which we all hope but don’t know for sure. The hand injury this year was his first major one, and not that grave. His contract runs until 2012, when he will be 31 and far from over the hill (he is a year younger than Steve). I like Blake, but the chances to go deep in the playoffs are bigger with Hinrich (defense, creating his own shot, athleticism. In more detail discussed yesterday). His play might look a little boring to people compared with flashy star point guards, but I assume Nate and KP would like such a player. And he is attainable.
by Norsktroll on Jan 28, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
older point guards are not necessarily a bad thing. Billups and Fisher are both good, and a little long in the tooth.
by Cablinasian on Jan 28, 2009 11:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Because
When you compare their stats Blake is performing better this year than Hinrich, Blake has a higher 3 point % and it is a given that he plays well with Roy. Blazers would have to bet that Hinrich is substantially better than Blake and worth the extra cash. I think the money is better spent elsewhere.
by The Thinker on Jan 28, 2009 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about the stat comparison
Hinrich has barely played any games along with coming off the bench (since returning from a big injury), and statwise, Blake’s barely ahead (as a starter). Blake does have a nice 3 PT%, but then again, most of his 3-pointers are wide open thanks to penetration from Roy or kickouts from LMA. I don’t watch enough Bulls games to know Hinrich’s shot selection, but I’m not seeing Sefolosha or Nocioni as people who will draw the double teams and kick it out to Hinrich.
There’s probably a stat I’m too lazy to look up (per min. rating or something) that explains this, but I’m sure someone will bring that up. I have also always been concerned with Blake’s low assist totals with all the weapons he has, and at the very least, I think Hinrich would be an upgrade over Blake on defense.
Plus, RLEC, Blake, and Diogu to Chicago for Hinrich and Larry Hughes sounds really good right now as well. Then again, anything involving RLEC sounds good right now; I think especially after the Miles fiasco, (sorry) RLEC movement makes fans hungry.
Bayless all the way though!
by RecordTOs on Jan 28, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This year, yes
Thought Blake is historically a poor 3pt shooter, except for two months last year, and the 2 1/2 months this year so far he ha sbeen decent. Meanwhile Hinrich is coming back from sitting out with an injury, so he’s not shooting as well—but it’s not that different, Blake is 3% better on threes, 1% on FG.
But if you look at their career numbers, their stats are very similar—on better teams than Blake, and with a much larger sample size—Hinrich has shot nearly twice as many field goals and nearly twice as many 3s. Hinrich has done similar or better than Blake offensively throughout his career with more responsibility on his shoulders throughout.
Besides, our offense is fine, we are at the top of the league, barely behind LA and Cleveland, in offensive efficiency. It’s our defense we have to focus on, and Hinrich is, I think, MUCH better than Blake, and would greatly improve our team defense.
Hinrich could change our current team, which will probably be swept in the first round, into possibly a playoff team that wins a series or two.
Because if our defense doesn’t greatly improve, we have almost zero hope of winning one playoff game at all, with our inexperience.
Plus,
by TimG on Jan 28, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hmmm.
Not sure I agree with your first sentence. I guess it could be more valuable, but it depends on who we get back.
We are in the advantageous position of not HAVING to trade RLEC to gain any benefit from it, unlike most team with that type of contract are.
If we can move it and pieces for a clear starter who fits our long term plans, then it probably is worth more in trade then letting it expire. However, we shouldn’t look to trade it for a marginal player who upgrades us for a year or two but not beyond. Remember, Having the capspace doesn’t just allow us to sign a free agent, it also allows us to make unbalanced trades later – effectively the same result as trading RLEC now. So, if we don’t get what we like in trade now, take the space, hold it, and try to work a trade this summer or next deadline for a guy we do like who may be available then but isn’t now.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Jan 28, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just found this on Truth and Rumors (cnnsi)
With the NBA trade deadline quickly approaching, rumors are starting to fly about who is going where … and the Blazers are definitely in the mix. According to a report via 1080 The Fan and the Sacramento Bee, the Blazers have offered a draft pick and Raef LaFrentz’s expiring contract for John Salmons. Salmons contract goes through the 2010-11 season before he would be a free agent.
by blazerchamp on Jan 28, 2009 10:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Truth and Rumors
is like the National Enquirer of sports…
The other day it said we were interested in Eddy Curry’s corpse.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 28, 2009 1:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
can't have a good Rose Garden without fertilizer
I get what I deserve. I deserve what I get. I have it so I deserve it. I deserve
it for I have it. I get what I deserve. What I deserve - what I deserve what
I get. I have it so I deserve. - Gentle Giant
by 22baylor on Jan 28, 2009 2:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Why aren't we contenders this year? Contenders for what?
We’ve beaten almost every playoff team in the league. If we can manage the 4 seed, I think we’d be favorites over every team below us. Even if we aren’t, is there any reason we couldn’t beat New Orleans, San Antonio, Houston, Denver, Utah or Dallas in a 7 game series? I don’t think we’d beat Boston, but it’s not obvious to me that we’re just along for the ride, and will be happy to make the playoffs. based on our play THIS year, we’re just as good as most of the of the other playoff teams.
When I die, I'd like to go out like my grandfather, peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like the passengers in his car. - jack handy
by TheTinfoil on Jan 28, 2009 10:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Yes, there are a lot of reasons.
I would not put money on us against any of the teams you mentioned with the exceptions of maybe Dallas and Denver. Just cause we have beat them doesn’t make us better than them.
Do you also think that Charlotte could beat the Lakers in a 7-game series? There is a reason that the series are 7 games, and not 1.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Charlotte does not have the extensive list of quality wins that we have.
We are stronger at center than most teams, have a better bench than most teams, and are just as well coached as most teams. I’m not saying we’re super duper awesome, just that we’re on par with everyone else in the playoffs minus L.A.
When I die, I'd like to go out like my grandfather, peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like the passengers in his car. - jack handy
by TheTinfoil on Jan 28, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That is a pretty loose par-standard.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry that I like my team. I will try to be a self-defeaer from now on.
When I die, I'd like to go out like my grandfather, peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like the passengers in his car. - jack handy
by TheTinfoil on Jan 28, 2009 11:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
defeater^ I can't even write defeat correctly I'm so defeated.
When I die, I'd like to go out like my grandfather, peacefully in his sleep. Not screaming like the passengers in his car. - jack handy
by TheTinfoil on Jan 28, 2009 11:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The reason we wouldn't beat those teams
Is because we allow more points per possession than any other playoff team, as it stands right now.
We just flat outscore people right now, but we’re young, and when the other team ramps it up and disrupts us a bit, we need to be able to disrupt them as well. We just cannot do that right now.
by TimG on Jan 28, 2009 10:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We allow more
And we score more PPP than any other team outside of the Lakers.
by Zaig on Jan 28, 2009 2:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons keeps coming up...
but what’s the deal with Francisco Garcia? Anybody know what the Kings take on him is? Critical part of their future? Perennial bench player?
I know he killed us for at least the first half earlier in the season, but I don’t know much about him. His stats look decent but I’ve never seen him play other than against Portland. Does he fill a role similar to Outlaw?
The cowards never started
The weak died along the way
Only the strong survived
They were the Trailblazers
by lukeyhere on Jan 28, 2009 11:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I like it, if for nothing else, because it would totally give us some awesome nickname options.
F-Gar and S- Gar, The Garcia-connection… ok, thats all I got. you get the point.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 11:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I for one like the salmons for RLEC / picks trade.
I think it fills holes we have right now ( perimeter defense, consistent scoring from the 3 spot ), and still leaves us with a flexible rotation for the future. I think it is probably dead though.
by dario argento on Jan 28, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it
the more that deal seems like we’d be stealing Salmons. It’s pretty sad when your team would rather have cap relief than a good player, and I think Salmons is a good player. But in the long run, maybe they think Salmons and Kevin Martin are too similar, but talk about not getting anything in return.
by MattyDread on Jan 28, 2009 11:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is getting Salmons for cash plus a low first round pick. Where did this goofus rumor originate?
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 28, 2009 4:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Still Holding out for
Richard Jefferson. Some say he is to old, but I think he is only a 2-3 yrs older than B-Roy. Playoff experience, and consistency are what will help this team. We have talent, but a guy like RJ would mature this team nicely. I think a trade for him is possible, but I think we would have to give a lot to get him. RLEC, Outlaw, Frye, and picks (1st and 2nd rnd), and possibly more. RJ is a bit over rated stat wise, but I think he would make us better at both ends of the floor.
by bad karma on Jan 28, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
we need consolidation at the SF
and this only adds another piece that would make our SF rotation 4 deep. and on top of that, one that is only going to be around for a guarantee of two years. AND this is without knowing what we’ll get with martell.
i like salmons, but not at the moment.
by northwestj on Jan 28, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a pretty good stop-gap until we find out about Martell's health and progression.
We REALLY wanted to see what Web could do this season, such a shame. If we decide after this year’s playoff run that we like Webster/Batum better, maybe Salmons could be a decent trading piece in the off season.
by MattyDread on Jan 28, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Salmons
Alright, be honest here.
Salmons scores 18.4 points a game. He’s a Miami Hurricane ( Automatically a thug).
Do you really think he will be able to keep that up? He’s shooting .479 so the accuracy is there as well as a nice roundout with 4 assists and 3 board but I don’t think he will get the shots needed on the Blazers to be the baller we need.
The other question is, why did Philly deal him? They guy has played on two horrible teams his whole career. I’m skeptical. We have young guys developing and Martell and his foot injury will be coming back.
I just don’t see him as the “Scorer” the Blazers need.
That being said, I’m down for some King Burrito for lunch ( On Lombard) You need to get your mind blown away? join up.
"Tommy like wingy"
by Terry Gamble on Jan 28, 2009 11:23 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
No, I don't think he'll be able to score that much on a team like the Blazers
but we wouldn’t need him to anyway.
by MattyDread on Jan 28, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Then why do we need second-level guys like Salmons, Garcia, Duby? While I see a need at the forward spot I don't see how those guys can fill it
by Norsktroll on Jan 28, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
good call. we have 2 (3?) very capable backup SFs.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually...
According to his bio on NBA.com… He’s not a thug, actually quite the contrary. (take it tongue in cheek):
Majored in criminology/sociology at Miami
Would like to become a fashion designer when playing career has concluded
Helped refurbish the Center for Fathers and Families as part of the Kings annual Cesar Chavez Day of Giving
Helped organize a surprise holiday party at the Wind Youth Center in Sacramento last December, donating Christmas gifts and signing autographs for children in attendance
Was the Kings player representative during the NBA Player’s Association meetings hosted in the Bahamas during the 2006-07 offseason
Participates in the Kings’ Read to Achieve program, visiting local schools and mentoring youth on the importance of literacy and the benefits of reading
Joined teammates to help build frameworks for new homes which were donated to victims of Hurricane Katrina
Donated time and labor to assist refurbishment of the Washington Neighborhood Center as part of the Cesar Chavez Day of Service in March of 2007
Cites The Bible as his favorite book
by pdxer in dfw on Jan 28, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Assume
I pretty much assume anything out of Miami is a thug but will say, playing on the teams he has, how can you be sure he’s a character guy who has fit in?
I just don’t see the need to load up on SF’s, especially a guy who’s going to need his shots.
I’d rather see them get a guy ( If possible) that can come in and play ridiculous D like Kendrick Persons. He abused Lamar Odom in last year’s finals. You need a brute down low that people will think twice when they run into him on a drive.
"Tommy like wingy"
by Terry Gamble on Jan 28, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kendrick Perkins*
"Tommy like wingy"
by Terry Gamble on Jan 28, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No need to defend yourself
I know exactly what you are saying… I just was trying to get a little more info on the guy, and found the list humorous.
by pdxer in dfw on Jan 28, 2009 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i have it on good word that he’s a good locker room guy. devout man. apparently he doesn’t even swear.
the only downside is apparently he needs his shots… and his play suffers somewhat when his shots arent falling.
by Ben. on Jan 28, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"anything out of Miami is a thug"
steve blake?
by mittsabishy on Jan 28, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maryland
I get what I deserve. I deserve what I get. I have it so I deserve it. I deserve
it for I have it. I get what I deserve. What I deserve - what I deserve what
I get. I have it so I deserve. - Gentle Giant
by 22baylor on Jan 28, 2009 12:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Technically...
Blake is from Miami but attended school at Maryland…
James Jones was a thug, though.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 28, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have...
A guy like Jason Maxiell… http://www.nba.com/playerfile/jason_maxiell/index.html?nav=page
At 260 I like his energy around the rim in the playoffs last year. The guy is a beast. Plays tough, short minutes around the rim. The “Banger.”
Good teams have guys like him, Leon Powe, Carl Landry.
Dirty work… not to mention the Godfather of Dirty Work – Charles Oakley.
"Tommy like wingy"
by Terry Gamble on Jan 28, 2009 11:34 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Better to trade RLEC
The cap space won’t mean that much this summer. There will be 7-8 teams well under the cap and poor free-agent market. Teams looking to do a salary dump are going to look past the Blazers to Memphis, OKC or a non-contending team.
If we trade RLEC for someone of value, we can then bundle players this summer for who we want or draft picks. My guess is if we let RLEC run out we won’t do much other than trade a small piece for a small piece i.e Rodriguez for a backup PF or something like that.
by boppitywop on Jan 28, 2009 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think the team's going to make a move
Been keeping up with the ESPN chatter, and the ‘experts’ are going to be shocked if Portland doesn’t.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 28, 2009 12:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
and that's just what we want them to think
then come the offseason when they aren’t expecting anything BAM! the ol’ fork in the eye
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jan 28, 2009 12:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Josh Howard?
As the Mavs ambassador, I can report that rumors in Dallas are increasing that Rick Carlisle and him don’t get along at all. He could be more available than say Tayshaun Prince and Gerald Wallace, has experience all the way to the finals and is a much better player than some names thrown around recently. I know all the knocks on him, but let me tell you he is a good hard working kid. Does nothing amazing but everything very well, from driving to the rim to shooting from outside. And a much better perimeter defender than anyone we have right now. Only problem: You can’t get him just for an expiring contract and a draft pick, since the Mavs still want to make the playoffs and at best contend right now in the next two seasons.
by Norsktroll on Jan 28, 2009 12:45 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
great idea.
I think an easy one to boot if it really came up.
I would say even Martell could go.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 12:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Martell's eventual success in Dallas
would give me heartburn. – Elgin
I get what I deserve. I deserve what I get. I have it so I deserve it. I deserve
it for I have it. I get what I deserve. What I deserve - what I deserve what
I get. I have it so I deserve. - Gentle Giant
by 22baylor on Jan 28, 2009 1:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha...
Cure your heart burn by hanging out with Josh Howard…
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 28, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Even though I have a man crush on Gerald Wallace after the Richardson trade I doubt he is going anywhere. Therefore the Blazers likeliest trade IMO is with Indiana for Danny Granger and two of their horrendous contracts.
They have 4 deals of 8 mil+ and 3 MLE deals with only two of those deals coming off their books (Nesterovich and Daniels if they don’t choose to pick up his option) and Granger’s max extension picks up next year essentially resulting in a net gain of just over 5 million coming off the Pacers books in their big contracts. They have little ones of the 3 mil and under variety that expire but looking at it it’s doubtful they get under the cap till 2011 the season after the big free agent rush.
They’re in the cellar attendance wise and I would imagine they’re losing money in a really bad economic situation.
All of this suggests to me that if we wanted Granger we could have him for the price of taking Jamaal Tinsley and Troy Murphy (or Dunleavy). RLEC, Rudy, Travis, Channing and Sergio works in the trade machine, although I don’t have a firm grip on how Granger’s Poison Pill contract could complicate things (perhaps requiring the inclusion of Memphis for salary dumping purposes).
by invinoveritas on Jan 28, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
There is absolutely no way Indiana trades Granger for cap relief
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jan 28, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The trade I outlined
was not just cap relief but young talent as well. Whether or not it was enough talent is certainly debatable. I wouldn’t think they would do it myself if I hadn’t looked at their contract situation. It truly is horrible. They’re going to be losing money for 3-5 years if they don’t find some way to dump a couple of their contract stinkers. I just don’t see how they turn it around and start winning and thus making money without getting rid of Tinsley and either Dunleavy or Murphy. Who else on that team has enough value to cause a team to eat two really large 2.5 year contracts for mediocre players? I suppose they could muddle through 3 years of poor attendance and losing seasons, but as any Blazer fan can attest that really sucks.
by invinoveritas on Jan 28, 2009 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Would we trade Roy for cap relief and young talent?
by Cablinasian on Jan 28, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Touche.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 28, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No we wouldn't
But Z Bo was more talented then the guys the Pacers are paying huge money to and Miles suffered a “career” ending injury thus allowing us to find ways to dump them. Can you think of any other way for the Pacers to dump those contracts?
by invinoveritas on Jan 28, 2009 2:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna go ahead and say you have missed the point
Granger is not cancerous, and he is freakin awesome. No way they trade him just to clear space.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 2:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not really debatable at all...
Granger is Indiana’s Roy… They’re building that team around him.
"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)
by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 28, 2009 1:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They are just looking for a way to trade Tinsley for a shorter contract
They don’t have to create one big package of bad contracts. And Danny Granger – while my favorite acquisition target before he re-signed with the Pacers – seems satisfied to be the face of that franchise, and they with him.
by Norsktroll on Jan 28, 2009 2:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes but I am desperate for Granger
Webster/Przybilla/RLEC for Tinsley/Murphy/Granger
I think Przybilla makes Indy a contender in the east, plus we took two crappy contracts.
Murphy is the enforcer 4 that everyone seems to want, plus he can hit a 3 now and again.
Do Frye and Freeland pick up enough of the slack behind Oden? – Elgin
I get what I deserve. I deserve what I get. I have it so I deserve it. I deserve
it for I have it. I get what I deserve. What I deserve - what I deserve what
I get. I have it so I deserve. - Gentle Giant
by 22baylor on Jan 28, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't like it
Webster came in this season ready to break out in a monster way. He will plug right in and will have an impact like Jones did last year during the winning streak but Web will be able to do even more things. KP ain’t trading Martel.
Prizbilla is worth sooooooo much more. He’s a top ten center in a league desperate for centers. He can fetch big money and is our wonderous back up giving Oden time to relax and get comforable. I would keep Zilla as long as I could and only trade him if the returns are huge.
Sure I want Granger but only cause I hear he’s good. The only tradables are Frye, Rec, Diagu, Randolph and Blake. And no I’m not saying we should trade Blake just saying he would be the point guard I would allow to be traded if I were in charge.
by Blazersaurus on Jan 29, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Option A
I for one like the team as it is this year. I think any major moves should be done in the off season. While Salmons sounds decent, what do we do with 4 small forwards? Three if you count travis as a PF. If we got Salmons, the someone else would leave this year or oevr the summer.
Maybe though, if we get Salmons, then Channing would be the one to go so Travis would be the back-up PF? Still pretty thick at SF and an eventually deal would likely be needed.
I don’t know about next year, but maybe that early Bayless will replace Blake. Then there is the solid notion that the guys will get better as they player together longer and develop individually as well. For these reasons, I think sitting tight makes more sense until this summer.
This isn't the Lakers,...
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by GameFace on Jan 28, 2009 2:08 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Ok so heres a thought
Portland throws in a #1 pick with this.
Memphis gets WAY under the cap. we get 11+ million relief not this year but NEXT year, you know 2010?
and of course its KP’s boy, so I could see him push this
We get a starting SF, a defensive stopper when we need him, a backup PF who isnt any worse than Frye at this point, and a player who will replace shavliks role, EXCEPT he brings his fiancee to the games, which in reality is far more than he could ever contribute on the floor.
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 28, 2009 2:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting.
my guess is people will say Portland is giving up too much “talent.”
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 2:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
really?
your saying that sarcastically right? I can’t see the font.
my reasoning for memphis is that they are known to love to save money, this saves them 14 mil up front and they keep outlaw. they can play him at SF for awhile and his contract is reasonable. this is going to be Mayos team. We eat a lot of crappy contracts for mediocre players, but its a small price to pay.. they are all short except for jaric, but he can wear a suit all day for all i care
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 28, 2009 3:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not my argument,
but folks around here are crazy for Trout.
Exhibit A: I put “talent” in quotes.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 3:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Gay is vastly over rated, but the Griz would laugh at the proposal..........
by cbdolphin on Jan 28, 2009 3:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree they are taking a major hit talent wise
but they would be shedding a major portion of salary. They are really only losing a 7 player for a 5 player but they are getting a ton of salary freedom
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 28, 2009 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like the trade but only cause we only give up one asset and take all theirs.
by Blazersaurus on Jan 29, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
we really only get one asset
Gay. the rest of them are contracts they dont want that we will eat for them.
I'm afraid Chiekh Samb's kids are going to be born ducking
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 29, 2009 2:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We can keep it simple
like a trade for a good role player like Maxiell. Or we could swing for the fences; do a swap of LMA for Tayshaun Prince and a sign and trade of our chips for David Lee. Prince and Lee would be a once in a generation upgrade. Think about that lineup. Either way we’re in good shape for the future. A succession of good role players every two or three years would be fine with me.
by oregonslee on Jan 28, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I wonder about thte feasibility of that double trade scenario.
Cause I like it.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 28, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Blazers really need a banger PF why not just sign Millsap for our 9 million worth of cap room? If Boozer doesn’t opt out it’s possible the Jazz let Millsap walk rather than match that kind of offer.
by invinoveritas on Jan 28, 2009 10:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Millsap's starter material
What about LMA?
by oregonslee on Jan 29, 2009 6:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

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