Per D'oh!
John Hollinger's Per Diem column explores five teams who could rise to league elite status in the second half of the season. Four of them are in our conference. Two of them are in our division. None of them are us. That analysis makes the Northwest Division a little crowded...
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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The Blazers' absence
in that group is a little puzzling to me.
Unless he already rates the Blazers in the top 5 in the NBA. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
John Hollinger is...
insane in the membrane!
crazy, crazy little man.
Say what you like about the tenets of National Socialism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.
I find it interesting
he picked Philly at #5, I can’t see them getting much better than they are, a .500 ball club, without major additions at coach, pg and center, (unless Dalbert reverts back and is good again).
As for the Blazers, I think they could rise to “elite” status just as easily, maybe easier, than both Denver and Utah. Utah, who hollinger loves for their abundance of talent, is only 1 or 2 years further along the pipe than Portland, and they are going to lose Boozer this summer. Denver is good this year and next, but once Billups starts to decline, which could be as soon as next year, they will need reinforcements to just stay competitive. The Blazers are set up for the long haul, they have all their main pieces, their “stars” if you will, they just need the right role players, which are much easier to find than stars.
Billups does not strike me as the type of player that is going to face a rapid decline at any point in his career.
He just doesn’t rely on his athleticism to the degree that would give rise to any sudden decline.
I heart taxes.
He was talking about teams that could rise to elite status "this season", not in the long haul.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
It is looking like he might more than it did a month ago.
But I would still put it at a 75% chance he plays somewhere else next year.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
Utah yes, Denver no.
He picks Utah to improve based on who has been out. Given that Boozer and DW have both missed lots of PT, I certainly buy that.
Denver, OTOH, hasn’t suffered in quite the same way—Carmelo is out, but for a short run only. He notes that the need additional depth which they might acquire through trades—but any team can improve themselves (or kill themselves) in the trade market.
The Blazers? We could go either way, honestly. We have four rooks playing significant minutes—they may either improve with experience, or hit The Wall. We have Martell and Blake out injured—but neither is an impact player in the same manner as a Carmelo Anthony or Carlos Boozer. Our schedule is getting softer, but our team weaknesses are now well known—and some of them will need addressing via better players, not more experience.
by EngineerScotty on Jan 22, 2009 10:54 AM PST reply actions
After the allstar break
Denver has 18 of 25 games on the road.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 22, 2009 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
This year
1. Utah. No way they get to an elite regular season record (55+ wins). The road ahead is too tough. But they have elite talent if Boozer comes back, and thanks to the struggles of some other teams, they’ve got a legitimate chance to escape the 8 seed. And if Boozer comes back strong and gets re-assimilated without causing chemistry problems, they are a legitimate threat to beat anyone in the playoffs. I think Hollinger’s analysis is reasonable, though he doesn’t pay due attention to the difficulty of their remaining schedule.
2. Houston. He says, “Will they? Probably not. But could they?” The answer is obviously yes, if they can get healthy, they are very dangerous.
3. Spurs. I can’t disagree. Very dangerous team, but without a trade, I don’t think they can really contend, I think they just fall short. Dangerous to bet against the Spurs in an odd-numbered year.
4. Nuggets. Here’s my first disagreement with him. Denver wins the division this year, but they aren’t what I’d call elite. Elite to me means that if you win the championship, it isn’t a total shock. It would be a total shock if Denver wins it, even if they end up with 57-58 wins.
5. 76ers. John, you’re scraping the barrel. Oh, you know that yourself, and even admitted it? This team has a better chance of being elite than the Hornets? Better than Phoenix I’ll believe, they are on their way down and Philly on their way up. The 76ers, if they do really well and Brand just fits in seamlessly when he comes back, win 47-48 games, max. New Orleans wins 52-53, minimum, and probably 56 or more. Will anyone be totally shocked if Chris Paul goes crazy and takes his team to the Finals? No. Will anyone in the entire world not be shocked if the 76ers make it? Anyone? Even John Hollinger? This is the old classic: “I’ll do this off the wall call, and everyone will forget it by next year, but if by some incredible miracle they make it to the ECF, everyone will say I’m brilliant.”
I’ll take his first three, and add none to it. There are four elites this year, and three who still might join them.
Portland? Well, IF Greg becomes a consistent 15-12 guy in the second half of the year, and IF Martell comes back healthy and on fire, and IF LMA learns to draw fouls, and IF our baby PGs become so dominant that Steve can’t get a job back, and IF Rudy knocks down 45% on 3s and starts to take it to the hoop, and IF someone actually becomes a backup PF, we could do a lot of damage. Some of those things could actually happen.
There’s a much better chance of Portland being a threat in the playoffs than Philly. And if a couple of those things happen, we might be a bigger playoff threat than Denver, or an injury hampered Houston.
And we have more trade-able assets than anyone, which means we have more potential to improve our team for this year than most have. Whether we will do that or just keep looking for the future, I don’t know.
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I'm just going to agree with this
and not add my 2 cents
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
THIS year
-Utah, yes, they’re scary when healthy.
-Rockets, same.
-Spurs? Umm they had a good first half and their schedule gets brutal in the second half. They will be good, but not better.
-Nuggets. Nope, they’re better with Billups, but nothing shows they will improve anymore. A tougher schedule 2nd half will bring them back down to Earth.
-76ers. Well… they can get a lot better, but not enough to be a threat. If they get healthy and keep playing well they can go to the 2nd round in the East (if they manage to grab the 4/5 seed), but that’s about it.
Nuggets tougher schedule?
I don’t really see Denver with a very tough 2nd half of their schedule.
Right now they are 28-15 and have 39 games left.
21 against sub .500 teams (Currently 18-1 vs. sub .500 teams)
18 against above .500 teams (Currently 10-14 vs. above .500 teams)
I think Denver is going to probably get 55+ wins this season pretty handily. Are they elite? I don’t really see them being an elite team as of yet, but since Melo will be coming back with hopefully a healthy hand and a rested sore elbow (playing in pain this season) I think the team has a way to go to reach their full potential.
I also admit I’m terrified of Utah’s ability this season if they start really clicking.
Portland though probably has the brightest future with such a nice young core.
by Nate Timmons on Jan 22, 2009 1:42 PM PST up reply actions
Is it me ro did Hollinger reach just to put a team in the 5 for the east
Philly has been playing well as of late but ther is no way that they will become elite this season. The east has three elite teams(Boston, CLeveland and Orlando) and only Detroit could move into that status. Detroit has been up and down recenlty and so it would look bad to include them on the list. And I’m sure Holinger had to put oune team from the east on the list jsut to appease those silly east coast fans.
As for the west, any of the top 9 could be elite (more so than Philly), but several likely won’t rise to that status. A top ten list of elite teams would have the 3 east teams mentioned and then take you r pick fromt the West top 9. I’d order the west at LAL, SA, NO, Utah, Phoenix, Houston, and Denver as the most probable elite teams (in that order for finals contention). Dallas doesn’t have it and the Blazers won’ t be there until next season (not saying they won’t make playoffs- just won’t be contendors).
Total reach
I agree with this post! Detroit really is the 4th best team out East, but like you point out I’d take the Western teams you mention above them.
Though I may move Phoenix down just a bit. Just Hack-a-Shaq and they are done … that was awful watching the Spurs do that last post season.
by Nate Timmons on Jan 22, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions
I too agree with this post.
In his column is where Hollinger applies his common sense. This should be taken alongside the playoff projections/ SOS adjustments for an overall predictive picture. Portland is just young. That’s why it will be a surprise if they compete with Utah or Phoenix. Dallas, I agree, doesn’t have it, but look for Cuban to make a trade in the coming weeks, cause he intends to compete. We need to start playing better if we want to make the playoffs.
Not seeing it
None of those teams are elite. The elite teams are Cleveland, LA, Boston and Orlando. The next tier includes about 10 teams, of which the Blazers are one. The best teams in that 2nd tier are New Orleans, San Antonio and Denver, with Portland and Houston not that far behind.
Boomshakalaka
I agree
I don’t see them as being “elite”, but agree that most of these teams could (and probably will) ascend to the higher end of the 2nd tiered teams.
I don’t think the Blazers have a lot of upside potential THIS YEAR. Oden isn’t going to magically get better in the next 3 months, and a lot of the team’s upside comes through age, maturity, and experience.
Utah, however, I’m afraid of. They’ve been in the mix all year, and were without Williams for plenty of games, and now Boozer for an extended period. Having those two healthy, along with a huge up and comer in Millsap, along with a slurry of shooters, makes me afraid of them come playoff time. It doesn’t help that we can’t beat them in Utah to save our lives.
Denver I’m on the fence about. Nene has really shown some progression and is doing things I wish LMA would do, and Billups has definitely helped them flow and helped define positions a little more clearly, but I do question what the trigger will be that helps them ascend from their current status, aside from the return of melo.
"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP
lol @ Hollingers love for the Rockets
Utah: Yes
Rockets: lol
Spurs: Of course
Nuggets: lol, but slightly less lol with Billups
76’ers: Nah
Blazer Fan
No. He mentioned that we have already seen New Orleans at their best and they don't look scary.
The more you try to erase me, the more that I appear.
New Orleans will be the second seed in the west
I don’t know how they aren’t ranked ahead of the Jazz, Spurs, and Rockets.
by Cablinasian on Jan 23, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
Problem with top seeds in West
Lakers- None, other than Kobe going cold in the playoffs because unlike now, he will NOT defer to teammates.
Spurs- Ehh doing okay now, but they’re older, will proly be beat up by the end of the year, and just can’t dominate like they used too.
NO- As said, they’re playing good most of the time right now and still only doing good, not great.
Lakers are obviously the favorite to win the West, but IMO the 2nd best chance isn’t Spurs/Hornets. A healthy Rockets/Jazz team seem to be a lot scarier. Followed by Portland/Denver/NO/Spurs, followed by Suns/Dallas. The real question is: Can Rockets/Jazz ever get healthy?
Remember, the Lakers didn’t win their 3 titles with 3 one seeds. They just got Shaq back to 100% at the right time each year.

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