Hornets Post Game Vent
by JasonT on Jan 2, 2009 10:00 PM PST
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PrintWell that sucked. But not totally unexpected given that Roy was out. Even though we beat a tough Boston team earlier in the week without Roy, we are only going as far as Roy will carry us this season.
The defense was active...though Nate had to being pulling his hair out every time one of our defenders left open Posey or Peja. I still am wondering why an occasional additional defender wasn't sent at West? He killed us tonight.
Without Roy on the floor and LaMarcus struggling we didn't know where to go for offense. Clearly evidenced by our 39% FG shooting.
Anyway, feel free to add your thoughts on the game.
I'll be at the game on Sunday...look for me...I'll be the one in the crowd smacking my thunder sticks together when Kobe is shooting free throws.
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couldn't say first...
without some sort of comment but where to start…
i guess just to talk about Brandon healing up… Joel ready to duke it out…
lack of offensive flow….Rudy adding some spark…just couldn’t hit critical mass
ahhhh…hmmm…easier east coast road trip coming up…
keep smilin portland . . . . .
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
I don't have the energy to vent
must be the hangover from the Celtics win. I imagine there was some of that going on with the team tonight. Oh well.
4 losses in our last 9 home games
disturbing trend. We need at least 30 home wins this season. We have to get back to defending the RG, winning the vast majority of home games, even against elite teams like New Orleans. I know we didn’t have Roy today, but its still disappointing.
Boomshakalaka
Sit Brandon on Sunday, bring him back for Detroit and the team goes 2 and 2 in this stretch of four games, 3 of them without Roy.
In fairness LMA was up in West’s face all night. West was just insane. It happens.
Rudy has his stroke back
If Blake and LMA shoot 40% the Blazers win this game.
Bayless is getting better, quickly
Nate is weaning Rudy away from Sergio – they play a lot less together with Roy out. Not good news for Sergio.
I’d say the handwriting is on the wall: Outlaw + Sergio + RLEC + filler = ???
That handwriting is definitely showing more...
though I wonder if Ike is getting some showcase.
West looked like Zach Randolph out there hitting stuff he had no business hitting. They play a similar game those two.
Bayless, though off with his shot and not staying fluid in the game, has such an assertiveness. Sergio just doesn’t. Not looking good for Sergio at all. And Outlaw, despite scoring 16, was plain awful.
Tough loss. I thought for sure after the Chandler thing that we’d win.
Chandler… I didn’t take him for a cheap shot artist. What a hoser. I lost respect for him big time for that weak stuff. That Hornets team actually seemed to be playing a cheap and dirty type game… it’s not fun to watch and it’s not real respectable either… I don’t see how Paul could want to stay in that type of a system.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 2, 2009 10:22 PM PST up reply actions
I think you're spot on about Bayless
He got hit a few times going to the hoop that weren’t called fouls, and despite his miserable shooting percentage his 2 dimes and steal were really nice to see in limited action. I have no worries about his shot falling once he finally gets some consistent burn, but It warms my heart to see a Blazers point guard get dribble penetration and show an ability to finish at the rim when needed.
I bagged on Bayless a bit in the gameday thread
But in reality he looks like he’ll be a good player long term (can’t say “great” yet).
I’d like to see they play a lineup of Bayless/Rudy/Batum/LMA/Oden against the Lakers, and see how they handle it.
thats a running lineup
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
they need to run...
Dwest couldn’t keep up with LMA down the court but we were in a half-court set the whole game.
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His ability to finish at the rim blew me away.
"It's like, 'Urrrrrrgh!'" Rodriguez says, his cupped hands turning into fists. "It is a good feeling. Good feeling."
who's?
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 3, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions
silly me...
never mind.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 3, 2009 11:16 AM PST up reply actions
can't win em all...
Roy is obviously so important to this team. They camped on Blake all night long and doubled LMA in waves. That left… no one.
Pretty bad game by everyone but Przy and Rudy (though Rudy falls asleep when he actually has to guard someone. He plays the passing lanes well and the ball decent… but when he’s on someone off the ball, he has a tendancy to lose the guy).
Let’s just hope they were saving themselves for a better performance in LA.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 2, 2009 10:18 PM PST reply actions
I missed the game
Looked at the box score. What happened in the 4th> What happened with Pryz?
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jan 2, 2009 10:20 PM PST reply actions
Pryz & Chandler went at it
after Chandler slapped his broke wrist…Joel elbowed him Chandler Elbowed him harder to the chest…Joel went to boxer stance….
Chandler ejected…
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
Joel drops in 2 free throws...we had the lead...
and then it all fell apart
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
that was nice that Joel put those free throws in...
it would’ve been a little anticlimatic if he had missed those right after the altercation
It was actually a classic moment
that would have been epic if it was part of a victory
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
instead NO went on a 12-0 run or something to that ilk...
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Chandler smack's Joel's broken wrist...
Joel gives him a soft elbow…
Chandler gives a HARD throwing elbow to Joel’s chest…
They both get into a fighting stance…
Chandler gets ejected…
Joel gets psycho eyes…
GO is smirking in the background…
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our descriptions were eerily simmilar
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
I saw that look on GO's face too. I liked it.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
Little details that I liked about that
Blake was the first guy to come to the scene and got in Chandler’s face. Nic had the guts to move in and stand in the way of an obviously angry Joel. The assistant coaches where smart and quick enough to keep everyone from coming off the bench. Blazers pretty much reacted all well.
Blake and Rudy then LMA
Blake is tough as shit…he’s the kinda guy that you knock down, he spits his teeth into his hands, and then uses them to gouge your eyes out
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
awesome
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 2, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions
i didn't like the fact that Joel took two Carmelo Anthony step backs...
ok, not like Melo, but mini Melo step backs, instead of CHARGE!!!
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Chandler cocked his arm...
as if ready to swing.
Joel took a step back to dodge, then bulled forward after.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 2, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
It made me enjoy what lip reading I can pull off
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
Well, Chandler was tossed and might get an additional suspension – you be the judge if that would be appropriate. Joel will still be available for the next game. Less action, better reaction.
With 3 refs Chandlers second elbow woulda never happerned
they’da called the slap or Joels 1st elbow
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
total cheap shot...
swinging at Joel’s broken wrist like that.
I don’t expect players to not play physical… but straight trying to harm or further injure an opponent is classless.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 2, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah -- gotta assume he knew...
always push off defenders hand…but that seemed viscious and intentional
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
that was really cheap...hence the need for Raef to take off his MT Suit and sucker punch anyone
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Raef is not at the games.
Or in the building for that matter.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 2, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Getting suspended is not fun
They lose a ton of money.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 2, 2009 10:31 PM PST up reply actions
I see fine no suspension
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
i actually hope he doesn't get suspended...so they can play Utah at full power
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didn't have enough firepower in the 4th.
Without LA or Blake shooting well…with no Roy we couldn’t hold on forever. Plus, West was on fire.
Lets Blame Dave....He Jinx us in his last post...Time for Dave to step up to Joel's mics
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I'll sit here and argue with anyone
Who thinks this is a bad loss.
This is just a loss. We’re going to lose games in the regular season, and this is just one of them. And we (and management) got a chance to learn how this team plays without Brandon, against a Western Conference power.
It’s a loss, but it’s not really a bad night.
i will argue...
that LMA had a bad loss…everyone else I give the night off.
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He had a bad night. But that happens.
NO prepared for LMA very well. They scouted and prepped LMA like mad.
true...
i thought he settled too much for the jumper the first 3.5 quarters instead of gong at Dwest
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What? I can't believe that LaMarcus Aldridge settled for shooting mid-range jump shots!
Ah, the second-coming of Juwan Howard showed his true colors tonight. I feel vindicated after having to read preposterous rubbish about how Aldridge is even remotely comparable to bona fide superstars like Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnet. Let’s keep it real around here people, okay.
Until Aldridge takes it to the rack more often and frequently positions himself down on the mid block with his back to the basket, he’ll remain a soft, inefficient mid-range jump shooter who’s game is modeled after guys like Howard, Joe Smith, Danny Manning, and Christian Laettner.
Quit blaming LMA.
If you’re unhappy that he’s taking mid-range shots, place the blame on Nate.
http://trailblazerscentercourt.blogspot.com/2008/11/aldridge-about-face-up.html
“What I would like to see him do a little more probably is face-up and use his shot –because he can shoot the ball – as a threat,” said McMillan before Friday’s game in New Orleans. “It’s OK to play with your back to the basket, but he’s a serious threat when he’s facing that basket and I think he can drive a guy more from that position than fading away.”
Nate specifically has been training LMA to focus on his mid-range jumper over his inside game.
Did you see how many shots he missed from PBR?
LMA took most of his shots from the mid to high post and since none of them were going in, it’s pretty hard to fault the guy for going to something he can usually count on … unfortunately most of those didn’t go in either.
Don’t believe me? Have a look for yourself.
http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/shotchart?gameId=290102022
I think the Sonics move to OKC
To get away from you.
by tominhawaii on Jan 3, 2009 5:01 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
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Classic. Mean, but classic.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jan 3, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I did rip Kevin Durant incessantly last season.
At least it shows that I’m an equal opportunity hater, though.
It’s either that or, well, I’ve just got higher standards than y’all.
Oh good grief.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
He actually didn't shoot an overwhelming number of mid-range shots.
Some? Yes. But he was spinning and hitting the lane… he just couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn last night.
He probably made more jump shots than he did post move shots.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 3, 2009 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
LaMarcus Aldridge was 1-6 (16.7%) on mid-range jumpers last night, ...
so he definitely didn’t drain “more jump shots than he did post move shots.”
no no...
not Outlaw. Terrible tonight.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 2, 2009 10:25 PM PST up reply actions
true...too
but i don’t rely on Outlaw’s consistency…with Roy out, LMA needs to lead
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Travis was terrible tonight
Most of his points came in garbage time. And his defense & rebounding were non-existent (I’m not sure he ended up with a single rebound, in fact). Very disappointing. LMA had an off-night too, but you have to give West some credit for that. In Trout’s case, I thought it was just a stinko effort.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
at least hes trying tu drive to the basket
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
His defense when he's on the ball is somewhat better, it's the leaving shooters
like Peja standing alone in the corner that make me scratch my head.
Aldridge wasn't hitting his shots...
his defense was pretty good. West was just hitting….I don’t think anyone could’ve stopped him. I will contend that we should’ve sent another defender at him in spots. But Aldridge didn’t play that poorly. His shots just weren’t falling for him…it happens.
still...
when your outside shot ain’t hitting… take it to the whole.
And don’t pussyfoot around. Dunk that junk!
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 2, 2009 10:30 PM PST up reply actions
Not that easy with a determined David West guarding you and Tyson Chandler lurking
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
after the Celtics game...i would have guess he would have taken it to the hole more...
like he did against KG…West isn’t the best defender for his position.
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Part of the difference was NO had the chance to prepare for our Roy-less-ness
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
Anyone else getting annoyed with Chris Paul...
and his theatrics in almost every possession to get a foul?
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He's doing what he should to get calls...
I wish Bayless would’ve taken a few flops when he was getting abused by Posey and Peja.
Yeah,he's just playing the superstar card
And if you got one you would be a fool not to play it
by southern oregon on Jan 2, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
of course. Rex is more muscular than Shaq the Flubber!!!
Rex > Chuck NOrris so new concepts will magically appear for him
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No more annoyed than when Brandon does it.
It’s the best way for smaller guys to get foul calls in the league.
When the refs stop responding to it, the flailing will end.
This will be a decieving box score if you didnt see the game
Nic scored 0 but played pretty well,Travis scored 16 with multiple bonehead plays not included in his multiple turnover numbers to go with his 0 rebounds
by southern oregon on Jan 2, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
someone needs to help the Blazers with inbound pass to the post...
i counted 5 tips and about 4 turnovers on simple past to the post
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yep...
I think they airmail it too much.
It’s too deliberate. Everyone stands and watches it develop, there’s no hiding it.
And therefore everyone’s ready.
It needs to be a quick in, then the bigs need to go to their move immediately.
Enough of this hold the ball and stall business already.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 2, 2009 10:38 PM PST up reply actions
they still haven't learn the pump fake then throw it in either.
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Well, here's a statistic in the box score that validates your comment.
Nicolas Batum was +7 on the night, while Travis Outlaw was -22 on the night.
He was doing it a lot less than Paul Pierce
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 2, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
Gave too many rookies too many minutes
These kind of losses really show our age (or lack thereof)
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
We should have let Raef clear the bench to sucker punch Dwest with his left elbow
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I wish David West had gotten in a fight with Joel
He killed us all night. Chandler I can live with staying on the court.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 2, 2009 10:32 PM PST up reply actions
Joel owns Chandler psycholgically...
It seems like Chandler always loses it when he goes against Joel.
seems like there's something of a list of players who do lose it against him...
Shaq, Garnett, Chandler… that’s good company.
"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car"
by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Jan 2, 2009 10:36 PM PST up reply actions
that must be what pisses them off
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
The list that fits that description is pretty short, so it’s kind of an anomaly: Joel, Jeff Foster, Zaza Pachulia, maybe Bogut
Okur...and his couple of other big white guys in Utah...
..and Sac has a couple of those too…
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
Never saw those stand up to tough opponents, although Miller can make some cheap shots, but that’s not really what I wanted to say. Okur is pretty soft, Hawes I don’t know enough yet.
yeah...its hard..tough league
my advice to shavlik this summer was to put on 20 lb of muscle and play at 260 cause everyone was looking for a 4/5 type … It has become really just brutal…too many watching ultimate fighting and WWE or something…
but he worked instead on getting his shot back and quickness/stamina..cause too much bulk interferes with the finesse points of the game..I’m sure he will eventually do both
This foul against Shav in the first period of the utah preseason game was deliberate and taken from some sorta jujitsu move..
from an alum in the preseason……really?
Do you know what you are?...You are What U is..You is what U Am..A cow don't make Ham...you ain't what u Not...so see what you got..You are what U is..And that's all it 'tis.... F.Zappa
Whazis name Miller seems to get under guys' skin too. Shaq punched him once
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
Bill Laimbeer...
if he were to play in today’s baby glove league, he’d dominate the minds of his opponents
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I think that players will be smacking Joel in the wrist a lot over the next 4-6 weeks, so he had better get used to it. That, or make sure to square off against the other team’s best player in order to, you know, take one for the team.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jan 2, 2009 10:35 PM PST reply actions
Agree
Post play is rough enough, but any injury (ribs, back, whatever) is like blood in a shark tank. I didn’t really have a problem with Chandler/Paul/the Hornets play, it strikes me as more tough/throwback than dirty (they really get their lead from Paul in that regard, he is a killer on the court). As I am also one of the biggest KG haters out there, I know this reeks of inconsistency, but it’s just a different vibe from the Hornets. It’s probably the fact they go at anything in an off colored jersey, rather than reserving the A game for the 12th man.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 2, 2009 10:42 PM PST up reply actions
he should get some acupunture on that - - get it to heal faster
and lessen pain…
maybe I can get a referral from Shav .. :-)
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
OT but so what?
Are you familiar with the Arnica herbal treatment for wounds and contusions?amazingly effective if you get it on asap,useless 24 hours later.If your a grunt in the Chinese Army thats all you get for a first aid kit.
by southern oregon on Jan 2, 2009 11:25 PM PST up reply actions
Yup - - - easy no side effects
..
not on banned list…
not as effective for the bone stuff..better on soft tissue…use it homeopathically.
.I’d also have these guys on 1500 mg of mixed citrate and hydroxyapatite calcium with about 1600iu of D as a chaser….also ligaments don’t heal without manganese …about 25 mg daily for the big guys…also 30-50mg zinc, 500ug B12… (Just in case , I don’t know, someone who matters is reading this…lol)
I’m gonna try hard to have some input when I see them next week..
Do you know what you are?...You are What U is..You is what U Am..A cow don't make Ham...you ain't what u Not...so see what you got..You are what U is..And that's all it 'tis.... F.Zappa
The Team lost this game
Just like they have lost many games this season even when Roy has played. They didn’t pound the ball inside, and they let their opponent dictate the pace of the game. They settled for contested jump shots all night, which was made worse by them making some really bone-headed unforced turnovers, ( I counted 3 by Outlaw alone). However these type of games will continue to plague this team until it either makes a good trade, or some of the current players take giant leaps forward. Outlaw, Rudy, Sergio, Bayless, Batum, Oden, LMA, and even Blake all need to improve for these type of losses to be reduced. Some more than others, and most of them in different ways, (some easier to learn than others) but unless these players improve Portland will have to make a trade either this season or this offseason.
I think we can make the playoffs with this team as is, but to win we need more. More defense, more BBIQ, more fire, more desire, more heart. A team can win alot of games without these but they can not win a championship. Outlaw needs to wise up on defense and offense and stop killing possesions. For every good play he makes, he offsets it with 2 bad plays most nights. Rudy needs to stop losing his man on defense because he is watching the ball, Sergio needs to continue his improvement on defense, while showing he is capable of hitting both his shots, and basic entry passes to the post. Bayless needs to learn the offense and defense and his role in them, Batum needs to crash the boards all game long, and all season long, as well as improve his shooting. Oden needs to get 100% healthy, and learn how defenders play him, he can’t bully small players and expect not to get offensive fouls, and he can’t throw up soft baby hooks against 7ft shot blocks without getting it thrown back in his face. And he needs to learn how to move his feet while guarding smaller players to push them into the space the defense wants him to. LMA needs to get tougher mentaly, he needs to attack the basket by getting deep post position and then making a move toward the basket instead of fading away on 70% of his post ups. The fade away is a powerful move, but it should only be a small part of his post up game, attack the rim, get to the foul line and help your team win the points in the paint battle. Blake needs lead this team when Roy is out, he is the PG and if he wants to be the PG of the future for this team, he needs to be a leader on this team. Taking charge when Roy is out of the game and commanding the offense will keep him a Blazer for life.
This was not a bad loss, but it wasn’t an acceptable loss either, it was a home loss and they are never acceptable even without the teams best player.
Need more experience
Not a trade.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 2, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions
Good post..
a couple more I would like to add….
Rudy needs to learn to set his feet when he is shooting…his off balance fading 3 pointers are not as good as his shot when he is set. If he’s having to fade on his 3 pointer to get it off, he probably shouldn’t be shooting it.
All players need to stop jumping in the air under the basket in order to pass. It leads to silly turnovers.
This was not a bad loss, but it wasn’t an acceptable loss either, it was a home loss and they are never acceptable even without the teams best player.
Can’t argue with that.
I’m pretty non-plussed about this loss. These losses happen and we can’t get too far down about it. I don’t mind sitting here arguing that all evening. :)
It doesn’t make the loss acceptable… it just means we can’t get down about it and overreact. Which I don’t think you have, so good post. :)
they said injury...?
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
sprained wrist?
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
Bookie broke his leg
Sorry, couldn’t resist :)
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 2, 2009 10:48 PM PST up reply actions
i was suppose to ref but was hanging out at AppleBees with Raef
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wonder if Raef is a big tipper?
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
i mean 33K daily gets hard to spend
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
Don't forget
he’s a farmer, so he gets the government subsidies as well
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 2, 2009 10:50 PM PST up reply actions
no he's not...said that's all the money he's gonna get and need to preserve in the down economy
(then points at the sling around his neck which mean he can’t reach for his pockets)
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who's the worst Blazer tipper ever???
i heard Scottie never tipped and expected the person going out to eat with him to do it
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scottie was the worst
i’ve heard this from a server once..he signed an autograph and thought that was enough of a tip.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 2, 2009 11:21 PM PST up reply actions
"No-tippin' Pippen"
At least that’s what the caddies used to say.
"West just flipped Roy's switch to 'Hide the women and children'"
- tmundal, Nov 29, 2008 9:11 PM PST
Raef must not be a foodie if he hangs out at Applebees.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
one of them or both?
alright I’ll stop the ref jokes…..
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
Actually the reffing was about average
That not a real high bar but it didnt seem to make much difference,Greg got at least 1 bogus call but what else is new?
by southern oregon on Jan 2, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions
NO played more aggressive off the ball than us...
taking advantage of the two ref system
G.O. Crazy G.O. Crazy, I wanna party in your tummy!!!
That was a sad average
Portland traveled like 4 times in the first quarter, no call.
Tyson shoved Joel in the back to get an o board, right in front of the ref, no call.
As noted by the selections above, it wasn’t one-sided. Just all around incompetent.
NO kept doing the one hand push off for rebounds...Ref's called it once
G.O. Crazy G.O. Crazy, I wanna party in your tummy!!!
in all fairness
they were down 1 ref…it was to be expected. at least the officiating tonight was much better than the celtics game. i didn’t know they could review fouls/contact with instant replay. i’m glad they did tho..pryz got shafted.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 2, 2009 11:26 PM PST up reply actions
Have we seen Rudy flop this year?
I’m glad that he doesn’t seem to be a Manu-type who flops at everything… was worried about that when he came over from Joventut.
Yah
WTF. Lets wipe the smug look off Kobe’s face with an upset.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 2, 2009 10:52 PM PST up reply actions
how about Blakes 3/4 court pass to breaking Rudy
that was sweet moment
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
Or how about
Jerryd Bayless running an honest to god pick and roll and connecting with Joel running to the hoop.
yep....Rudy fed Joel one too
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
minus the jump pass
way too many jump passes last night, blake joined in at some point too.
Activate Shavlik Randolph
Let's see
LaMarcus disappears again. Usually he’s only gone for a half but tonight he opted for the full game. fading awayyyyy…..
Travis chucking crazy fade-aways, unforced turnovers and forgetting all about rebounding. Did he have one rebound, or none?
Sergio going nowhere fast.
Rudy making hard passes when simple ones are available.
This was vintage 2008 Blazers without Roy to bail us out.
It's hard to pin this on LaMarcus
He was missing from point blank range, and grabbed 10 boards, even his defense was decent against West, DW was just smoking hot and seemed like he couldn’t miss.
From 12 feet or more away from the basket, LaMarcus Aldridge shot 1-6 (16.7%) from the field.
Although Aldridge shot somewhere around 2/3 of his field-goal attempts near the basket, his horrid percentage at putting up mid-range jumpers is indicative of an ongoing trend. Prior to tonight’s game, Aldridge has an eFG% of 42.5% on jump shots — which compose 64% of his total field-goal attempts — consequently, there’s no question in my mind whatsoever that he must soon substantially alter his game. Yet, if Aldridge doesn’t make those necessary changes of improving his low-post repertoire on offense, then his development will stagnate any potential growth he may have within him as a player.
So ...
you criticize him for being a jump shooter, yet when he goes inside tonight for 2/3 of his attempts, but fails to convert at a high percentage, he’s somehow not attempting to alter his game away from the perimeter?
You can’t have it both ways.
This is a big year for LaMarcus
He’s far from being an all-star (he’s pretty average for a starting NBA forward) so he needs to show some development defensively and in the post.
What is up with Outlaw's freethrow shooting?
He seems to be missing a lot lately.
what? i wasn't paying attention...
Yeah -- Travis could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk
tmundal -- 12/30/08
It could be.
He’s a decent jump shooter. So, you’d think he would be a good freethrow shooter, unless he’s going Bruce Bowen on us…in that case I’d like to see his defense math Bowen’s.
two years ago, outlaw tied the Blazer record for most made freethrows in a single game by a Blazer
Broy beat that by one against the suns with 19. outlaw can normaly shoot, but hes tripping out with the pressure to do well. its unfortunate.
December 18, 2008.
"Roy is Roy, and if I were to bet my life on a game of 5-on-5, I’d bet on whichever team Roy was playing on." by HurraKane212
You can almost be sure he misses if he takes the shot too fast and just bounces the ball just twice in his concentration phase
Not always the same rhythm. If he bounces it three times, he usually is more focused. Little things.
Good night Portland
It’s 2:15 here…
gonna be interesting to see how the coaching staff turns this into a learning experience…
onto LA..
Do you know what you are?...You are What U is..You is what U Am..A cow don't make Ham...you ain't what u Not...so see what you got..You are what U is..And that's all it 'tis.... F.Zappa
he's got to get better at finishing
right now, when he shoots, its as good as a turnover. He did some things well today, but he’s going to be hard to keep on the floor if he’s going to shoots 20%.
Boomshakalaka
i dont have any doubts
i’m pretty confident that he will improve his finishing. i thought he played a pretty solid game defensively for the most part. hell i think i’m a bit too optomistic tho…i still think sergio can turn his shot around.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 2, 2009 11:35 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah - - 10 more games . .
we’ll wonder how we got by without him
Do you know what you are?...You are What U is..You is what U Am..A cow don't make Ham...you ain't what u Not...so see what you got..You are what U is..And that's all it 'tis.... F.Zappa
Oh, and can we be done with Diogu now please?
Diogu getting his hands on the ball only to fumble it to the other team whether on offense or defense, is not better than Frye’s lack of interior defense and rebounding. At least Frye can sink a shot once in a while and not turn the ball over every time it’s within ten feet of him.
Outlaw Outlaw Outlaw
He plays lazy and unintelligent ball.
Why is it that every time Travis has great 3 point shooters to gaurd, he’s allowed to stay on the court as his man nails 3 3’s in a row on him? How many games/ how many times per game is he allowed to let this happen? Still he doesnt have the smarts to close-out on his player— read the scouting report smart-guy! He doesnt move on offense, he just stands there the entire time, picking his ass. No wonder the team looks stagnant!
Outlaw more than doubled the next worst +/- for the game. Batum was at +7, Outlaw at -22. That was to go along with his 0 rebounds and 4 TOs in 30 mins of play.
When will people understand that his few freakish jumpers he hits do not account for %25 of the rest of the hole he digs this team night in and night out?
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
He gets a free pass
Nate likes him.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 2, 2009 11:53 PM PST up reply actions
At this point I would rather play Shav
by southern oregon on Jan 2, 2009 11:58 PM PST up reply actions
even tho i'm not a trout fan
i’m hoping you are being sarcastic…shav? if anything i’d rather give minutes to bayless before i give any to shav. i’m sure nate can find some kinda crazy rotation that would work between our 5 guards.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 3, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
They really don't have much of an alternative
I’d be open to creative alternatives… such as using a rotation of the following players:
Brandon Roy
Rudy Fernandez
Channing Frye
Shavlik Randolph
Batum...
At the very minimum you swap their minutes.
Batum had 18, Travis had 30.
I don’t think Travis has earned his time. I think I might be able to justify bringing him in to shoot the lights out and minimize the damage the rest of his game does.
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Jan 2, 2009 11:59 PM PST up reply actions
batum cant handle more minutes.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 3, 2009 12:08 AM PST up reply actions
I hope he gets a free pass to another city....
I hope this is just a showcase—- I will gladly go on with Batum and Webster
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Jan 2, 2009 11:55 PM PST up reply actions
Well, this is the place for it...
My Nate complaint for the loss:
The timeout after the ejection was all wrong! Is it just me or does Nate have no feel for the momentum of a game? New Orleans just got hit in the mouth. It felt like they were about to roll over and our guys had fight in them. That was time for them to call a time out! Instead, we called a timeout and from that moment on, the boys looked like they were the ones that got hit in the mouth. It was as if Nate talked us down and we were down for the rest of the game. Last thing the Blazers needed right then was to think about what had happened.
And, for the record, I watched the game at Claudia’s (Now smoke-free!) and shouted out, “No!” when the timeout was called. The people all around me looked at me like I was strange, which is probably true. But by midway through the 4th, they were all nodding at me in agreement.
One word about timeouts: M_O_M_E_N_T_U_M_!
not true at all
Blazers came back after the technicals with fight. Then Nate called the TO
momentum eventually fades
we lost…plain and simple. nate didn’t cause this one.
Honor Terry Porter
by Philthyanimal on Jan 3, 2009 12:11 AM PST up reply actions
Either way...
Chandler is pretty much a scumbag for that cheap shot. I know players go after other players, but when the opportunity presents itself to Chandler to be a dirt-ball, he normally takes it.
I dont like losing to the Hornets— Chandler is a jerk, CP3 aint much better. I look forward to smashing em next year on.
"Both Anthony Carter and Jameer Nelson were downright jubilant in the Magic locker room postgame. Carter said to no one in particular, "Brandon Roy, that man is unstoppable, it's like he's playing NBA Live" and Nelson was cracking on his teammates for not being able to guard Brandon. The kinds of jokes you can make when you win."
by loyal_blazer on Jan 3, 2009 12:13 AM PST up reply actions
Exactly.
And his actions were vindicated by Portland’s response. After the win, guaranteed there were some pats on his back. We may have showed tough against the Celtics, but we acted like we were intimidated in this one.
Say what you want about the missed shots and lack of defense. This game was lost because the fight seemed to go out of us. A psychological loss.
I agree with this. After Pryz got pissed, it was like the team said
“well, thank god that’s over with.”
Although, and maybe this isn't the place for it
but the whole concept of momentum drives me a little nuts. In a sporting event it’s really a meaningless concept but one that’s used so often its become the the emperors clothes of game analysis.
Now I think there is a psychological quality that success brings that may lead to dominating another team for a period of time during the game, and if the word “momentum” is a kind of shorthand to describe that process, well, ok I guess. But just leaving it as “momentum” really misses the opportunity to understand what is really going on and maybe learn how to create it more.
the other thing that bugs me about it is how often the momentum shifts. Hey, if it changes 8 times in a game it’s not momentum.
Basketball is a game of momentum swings.
The weird thing about tonight was that after Nate’s timeout, the momentum was with NO and stayed with NO for the entire 4th quarter. It felt to me like we had the mo after Joel’s free throws. In fact, that was the only point in the game that we were in control. After the TO, a complete turnaround.
It is not some crazy heresy to suggest that good elective timeout use should acknowledge the games momentum.
OK, what is momentum?
Seriously. it means a team is on a run of some kind. So we say they have momentum as if that explains why they are on a run. it doesn’t. it’s just a different way of saying the same thing. But acting as if the word provides some sort of analytical framework just means that we given up trying to really understand what creates a good run.
And I submit it is Nate's biggest game coaching weakness.
Similiar to his tendency to pull players when they are having an impact (see Bayless in second quarter). I respect nate’s analytical approach to the game, I just think he could use a touch more “feel” for momentum or right brain or whatever you want to call it. It’s as if he is immune to the emotion of the game.
When he subbed Bayless out, Portland went on a run
They might have done that anyway. But just sayin’.
true
As it turned out, Rudy had it too. But there are many examples of this sort of substitution.
I like Nate. And actually, raoulduke’s response helps me to understand the advantage of thinking purely analytically about the game. But when you are on the sidelines, that is the one place for some feel. Timeouts and substitiions. Just saying.
I agree, that's why it's - IMHO - important not to gloss it with terms like "momentum."
It’s a complicated dynamic that takes some analysis.
", I just think he could use a touch more "feel" for momentum or right brain or whatever you want to call it."
And this, god help me for saying it, might be why Phil Jackson is a great coach.
I was going to in invoke PJ's name but thought
you might disapprove, he he.
it's a simple rule though
when your team has some flow, don’t break it.
he he
well, at least our expectations will be manageable.
I love the game
but it’s a game. The sun will still come up tomorrow, spring is right around the corner, and I need to sort my flies and leaders. Life is good.
funny business, this sports fan thing
a practice for life!
still,
i live in Portland. Not so sure the sun will come up tomorrow. ;)
Momentum is an overused term, indeed.
But there’s still a point in there somewhere.
Portland took a 5 point lead, got a steal from a flustered NO team, and Nate took timeout.
NO regrouped and adjusted their offense after the timeout and quickly took over.
Sure, NO may have taken a timeout and made the changes anyway, but I’m not sure what Nate’s goal was with the timeout.
Whatever it was, it was unsuccessful.
Thank you!
One may not say it cost us the game, but it was a damn stupid place to take a time out.
Jaynes talks about what Nate says vs what the team does
http://www.portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=123096868199106700
Something to discuss…
Jaynes doesn't thrill me. None of the print guys do, frankly. Too busy trying to gin up a story
even when they got nuthin.
The alternative is the online guys
Excluding the outstanding Dave, the online guys are amateur hour.
What I do is watch the games and then decide what I think.
I admit to reading stuff, but mostly it just pisses me off. The online guys – Dave, Casey are pretty darn good.
Yep, like I said, Casey's great
I just know I won’t get a balanced viewpoint because it’s not his job (I don’t fault him for that in any way).
Quick drives me nuts, but I also know he won’t be afraid to report bad news. Too bad he’s too busy trying to show how important he is, instead.
I'm still off Quick over the "underwhelmed" thing.
It was just kicking a guy in the nuts when he was already down. Real men don’t do that. if they do, they owe the other men in the room an apology.
Quick's recent work is almost worse than that.
If you haven’t read it, feel lucky.
Sadly, he’s all we’ve got to get a balanced viewpoint right now.
Well him and Dwight. The story I linked is actually pretty interesting. He questions something I also question: Either Nate isn’t telling us what he’s coaching, or the team isn’t listening to him.
Henry Abbott
at TrueHoop is my personal favorite (and a Blazer fan – he’s done a few write ups this year) but he has to hit up the league as a whole rather than just one team.
Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses
by blazeraddict on Jan 3, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions
Henry was great when independent
He’s slipped for me since under ESPN. He’s a little too league rah-rah for my taste these days.
He’s still in my feed list, but I find myself skimming him a little more than the old days.
I miss when Henry had a useful comment section with intelligent fans too. :(
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