Wojnarowski's Pritchard-Miles Article
(sigh) Just when I think I'm out, they pull me back in.
As you may have noticed from the sidebar or from surfing, Adrian Wojnarowski has penned a column about the Blazers' handling of the Miles situation which merits some analysis because it's going to drive everybody crazy. The piece is here and you'll need to read it before you read this in order to understand it.
Wojnarowski starts out by chastising the Blazers on several levels: for their bullying tactics, for their arrogance, for their ineffectiveness, and for their alleged shady behavior from the inception of the Miles medical case. He accused the Blazers of acting "in bad form and in bad faith".
The Blazers had to know that this was coming. As soon as they hit "send" on that infamous e-mail they exposed themselves to a publicity hit. Granted this article goes beyond a hit and into gangland execution-style territory, but these are the lumps you're going to take if you shove it in the collective faces of every other owner and high-ranking executive in the league. The prose may be a bit overwrought but the core of it is fairly accurate. The e-mail was brazen. It was ineffective, at least so far as we've seen. And if we're all coming clean the Blazers themselves have legitimate questions to answer about their early public statements about Darius as well as their attempting to claim him off of waivers. That's uncomfortable to consider, but it is what it is.
At that point Wojnarowski goes on to describe Miles' recent play and asserts strongly that he should not be medically retired. In the midst of that he says the Blazers "deserve every cap-clogging cent" of Miles' contract back on their books.
It's getting harder and harder to argue the first point. Obviously Miles can play because he has. He should not be medically retired at this point.
As far as the second part, its veracity depends on how you shade it.
If Wojnarowski means the Blazers deserve every cap-clogging cent because Miles can play and that's what the rules say, he's right.
If he is implying that the Blazers did something wrong by getting the evaluation in the first place and are getting their just desserts, he's incorrect. The avenue was open to the Blazers. Everything was done by the books. If you claim the rules are the final arbiter of right and wrong with his reinstatement you also have to go with the rules on his retirement in the first place. Now believe me, I don't swallow whole Portland's protestations that this was all about concern for Darius. This retirement happened not only because of Miles' knee but because of his contract, his play, and his effect on the franchise. Put Brandon Roy in the same situation and let him protest that he wants to try and play again and Portland never calls for a doctor. The process was a huge, huge benefit to the Blazers and they knew it. But that doesn't make it wrong for them to have done it any more than it makes it wrong for Memphis to have given him a tryout.
If by using the word "deserve" Wojnarowski is implying that the rules are working well and have facilitated what's right and just here, he's only partially right. The outcome has been technically correct in that Miles is playing again and his contract has been reinstated. But that correct ending hasn't been smooth and may not be repeatable. It's like your bowling shot that goes enough askew that it loops in and out of the gutter and hits the pins. You got there, but that doesn't mean you should bowl it that way again. This situation screams for a review of the rules in at least a couple areas. We need a clearer idea of what a career-ending injury is. The league should also seriously examine the effect of the "pre-season counts" rule. If a team were trying to twist the system to earn money or harm another team's cap this is a huge loophole. Teams have nothing at stake in pre-season contests. It would be easy to play any player for a couple of minutes in each, racking up a half-dozen of the ten games needed with no risk or consequences. If you find four other meaningless situations (end of quarters, blowouts) in the regular season you've achieved your goal. Teams should have to risk more than that to show they're serious about backing a guy instead of just playing with the numbers and the books. The motivational ambiguity inherent in this situation should not be repeated. It's not good for anybody involved.
The next section of the piece, by far the most provocative, is aimed at Kevin Pritchard himself. Wojnarowski accuses Pritchard of being an arrogant lime-light seeker and basically a fraud in the nice, everyday man role he's cultivated. He accuses Pritchard apologists of shifting blame to Paul Allen and Larry Miller. He lists Pritchard's past mistakes and generally attempts to peel the gilding off of the golden goose.
As part of a proper response we should acknowledge that, despite the draft success and the ever-mounting win total, Pritchard's tenure hasn't been entirely flawless. Among his shortcomings has been a tendency to get too chatty in public, sharing plans or impressions that might better have been kept silent. The Miles comments were an extension of this tendency. In fact they marked a turning point of sorts. Before those comments and the resulting accusations in the paper, Pritchard was far more talkative and direct. Nowadays when he can be found in public at all he's practically a cliché machine. The Miles medical firestorm was the moment that he and his staff learned that communicating isn't as free and easy as it seems. Every young, enthusiastic leader learns this. I used to explain myself far more in my job than I do now. So will President-Elect Obama as he goes through his tenure. The point being...for those following Pritchard closely the carefully-crafted, pre-packaged, butt-covering, ad-campaign-like statements came after the Miles situation far more than before. The comments about Miles' knee were most likely what Pritchard felt and saw--colored, of course, by his desire to see things that way given the benefit to himself and the team--than a bald attempt to manipulate the rest of the league. That's the way he used to roll.
It's also safe to say that while Kevin Pritchard generally seems like a nice guy, Kevin Pritchard knows who Kevin Pritchard is. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Kevin Pritchard knows that you're not Kevin Pritchard either. Most talented leaders have that element within them. Arrogance is part of what drives us to be leaders in the first place. But as far as being a lime-light seeker and self-proclaimed Golden Boy, Wojnarowski is confusing cause and effect here. Again I would point to the stark difference between the 2009 Kevin Pritchard and the 2007 model. The old Kevin was on every media outlet known to humankind. His face and voice were everywhere. He was the main cheerleader for a team bereft of any positive public image. And it worked! He indeed became a rallying point for the new era. But even in those interviews I can't recall him every saying, "I am the man!" or anything close to it. If he gave credit it was to his support staff, his scouts, Coach McMillan, Paul Allen. This was not Pat Croce publicity or Bob Whitsitt arrogance. This was a guy who felt like he was the best guy to hustle for the team at that moment and who was proven correct. The Golden Boy image and terms like "Pritch-slapped" were bestowed upon him by the public, not the other way around. In the meantime Pritchard has receded farther and farther from view until it's the exception and not the norm to see a lengthy (or frankly, interesting) interview with him. These are not the actions of someone who wants to hog the spotlight.
Does Pritchard run the show his way? Absolutely. Do you want to cross him? No, you don't. Can he be heavy-handed at times, is there another person underneath that nice guy exterior, and is there maybe a little smugness lurking under there? Undoubtedly. Despite all this, public self-aggrandizement is not among his list of faults.
As far as passing off the blame to Larry Miller and Paul Allen, I haven't seen much evidence of this either. Technically Wojnarowski said his apologists did this and not Pritchard himself. Perhaps there is truth to that, but most of what I've read has blamed the entire upper organization.
More to the point, I'd like to know how Wojnarowski knows that Pritchard is liable for extra castigation in this situation. Obviously Larry Miller's name was on the e-mail, which puts him in the line of fire. If you're going to pick a single target, the Blazers designed it to be him. More than that requires knowledge of what went on in that meeting.
It's possible that Kevin Pritchard was the driving force behind the offending missive. But if you're going to look for a figure in the shadows, why not look the other direction and point to owner Paul Allen? His money is at stake. It's also the one part of the equation that can't be compensated for. Pritchard can work around the cap hit. Allen will never get that money back. Also as a fabulously wealthy man Allen has been accustomed to having things his own way for a long time and is far more insulated from the receivers of that e-mail than Pritchard is. That's not an indictment of Mr. Allen, it's just reality. If you're going to accuse someone of masterminding a tone-deaf, privileged, angry letter behind the scenes Allen is the more likely culprit. Besides, Kevin Pritchard's public statements since the story leaked have been in the vein of, "This was a team decision." If this really was Kevin's decision then he's not only lying, but throwing everybody else in the room under the bus to save himself. Indeed, he would have done so the moment Larry Miller's name went on that e-mail and Larry would have been agreeing to it. Why, then, would Pritchard not say, "This was Larry Miller's doing?"
Wojnarowski's explanation doesn't ring as true as two other possibilities:
A. This really was a team decision and Pritchard is actually reporting exactly what transpired.
Or...
B. Allen was the prime mover here and Kevin is covering for him the same way cabinet members always cover when the President makes a mistake.
Note that I am not saying the second possibility is fact. Rather I'm suggesting that if you're going to jump to a conclusion beyond what was stated, that one is more plausible and fits better with what we've heard.
In either case, Pritchard deserves to be tarred with the brush no more and no less than anybody else who was in that room. This is clearly not the thrust of Mr. Wojnarowski's article.
The piece concludes with the clever and memorable tag line
Yes, the Jail Blazers made a comeback this season.
Only this time, they wore suits.
While this is snappy and I'm sure rang great as the copy was read, this is where the column falls off the rails for me.
As anybody who lived through the "Jailblazer" era can tell you, it was one of the worst disasters in sports history from a public relations point of view, from the standpoint of wins and losses for the team, and for the team's overall value. What made it so devastating was that it wasn't an incident, it was a repeated bludgeoning with jarring incompetence coupled with malfeasance. No Blazer fan could or should forget those years. I haven't. And I was no apologist during them either. When organization members--players or suited staff--were stupid I called their actions stupid. When people dug into national media types for employing the "Jailblazer" name I called it well-deserved. When those same media types were slow to relinquish the moniker I said we'd have to give them time...time during which the team had to prove they weren't that way anymore.
In order for this to be equated to the Jailblazer era Kevin Pritchard would have had to have blabbed all about Darius Miles' medical condition while drag racing down Broadway to take doughnuts to a police station, waving a loaded gun, throwing dollar bills at girls to take their clothes off, and smoking an illegal substance with six pounds more in the trunk. Then he would have had to look in a camera, smirk arrogantly, trade away every player that meant anything to this franchise, blow multiple draft picks, fight with all the local media outlets, give up the Rose Garden into bankruptcy and threaten to leave town unless his demands were met, spit on some people, flip off the crowd, throw a basketball at Larry Miller's nuts, write a 25-point statement saying how everything he just did would never happen again, repeat it all, and then proclaim loudly that we still want his autograph because we're just stupid fans. And if you think I named everything possible in that description your memory isn't that good.
One of the things I've noticed about the media covering this situation is that there's a huge gap. Either they don't cover it at all or they cover it like it's the Most Important Story Ever. Neither one of those is fair. This is an unusual case...unprecedented, even. It's newsworthy and it's gotten plenty of publicity. This is also a case with a lot of gray area which always makes for more excitement. Nobody's hands are clean and it's fair to point that out. But this is not the end of the universe as we know it. This is not the end of a franchise, the end of a General Manager, nor the end of Darius Miles. Even if the absolute worst is true, it's money in Darius' pocket and the wrong is compensated for. This happens in businesses all the time. Black marks arise, intentionally or not, and they get erased. This isn't a Ponzi scheme, or even a Bonzi scheme. It certainly doesn't rise to the level of defining this era of the team nor the job that Kevin Pritchard has done.
I believe that Mr. Wojnarowski is right about a few things and wrong about a few of the conclusions he's drawn from them. But even if he's right about more than I give him credit for, this column goes way too far. He brought a bazooka to a fencing match. One of our national pastimes is building people a pedestal and then ripping it away to watch them fall. Pritchard's perch probably isn't as high and unassailable as people assume, but whatever he stands upon is strong enough not to crumble like this.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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I've never read an article
that presents such a one-sided bias of an issue. Did Woj even talk to anybody within the Blazers organization before publishing this article? To me, it rings pretty clear that he had this article typed away for a few weeks, and was just waiting for the right timing to release it.
"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP
by Arby on Jan 18, 2009 2:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Well, as I said
A-Woj is right about some of the things he said. The Blazers aren’t babes in the woods here and neither were the Grizzlies, for instance. Neither were Darius and his agent, for that matter. But A-Woj’s ripping away is somewhat selective. The Blazers deserve the hit for being obtuse in their public relations. I am curious to see if they receive any benefit—legal or otherwise—for taking that risk. But Pritchard doesn’t deserve that kind of treatment.
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 18, 2009 2:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
But does he have to keep beating the dead horse?
He published one article about Darius that got a lot of national attention and then he kept going… and going… and going. It’s like he’s preparing to write a book or something. Is it really that interesting of a topic? How do his bosses let him keep writing this stuff?
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 18, 2009 2:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's just what journalist do
Heck, everyone does it when they have an opportunity to say the were right or first. He’s going to milk this story for everything it’s worth. My guess is that he was intentionally over the top to try to get a reaction out of the Blazers. If the Blazers respond, it will give him another opportunity to write about it.
He won’t let this go away. Once the league makes a statement about the hit on the Blazers cap space, he’ll write something. When the player’s union grievance is wrapped up, he’ll write something again. This story will go away when Adrian Wojnarowski is done milking it.
I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
God forgives, tominhawaii doesn't.
by tominhawaii on Jan 18, 2009 2:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct-O-mondo
he’s stroking the flames….
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
by johnv59 on Jan 18, 2009 3:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stroking the flames?
Heh, I think that’s a few degrees of severity past “stoking” the flames, eh? I guess kind of like put gas on a fire to putting a fresh log in the fire place.
by llublazerfan on Jan 18, 2009 9:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he's got the hot hand!
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 19, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Correct, but don't forget about the celtics either
I work with Ainge’s brother, and I asked him about the situation and he said the celtics played miles for one reason in the pre season. Turns out Danny is not as stupid as many thought he was. He happened to be months worth of steps ahead of everyone
by winnerwinner on Jan 18, 2009 8:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still choose to believe he's more stupid than most stupid people.
I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
God forgives, tominhawaii doesn't.
by tominhawaii on Jan 18, 2009 9:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, but if he's anything like his brother
he really likes the grass
by winnerwinner on Jan 18, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He is from Springfield OR
That shouldn’t have been hard to figure out
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 18, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude got a link out of you...
mission accomplished. And now every Portland fan on the internet knows who Adrian Wojnarowski is. That’s the kind of attention you get when you bring bazookas to fencing matches. Touché!
by Jumbo on Jan 18, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mr. Wojnarowski is a sensationalist.
He sounds like Jason Quick’s evil twin brother.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 18, 2009 2:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Not Quick
I instantly thought of Canzano’s evil — or maybe it was good? Can’t remember — twin when I read that article.
by nikolokolus on Jan 18, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Woj seems to have a horse in this race......that's the only explanation I have for that last line
and general smear attempt. Is he best friends with Memphis’ GM?
by ppilot on Jan 18, 2009 2:31 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
He WANTS to have a horse in this race
Woj is a hack, and desperately wishes that instead of being a journalist covering sports for a non-sports site, he was a GM.
- And he resents knowing that if he were a GM, he’d be getting Pritch Slapped on a regular basis.
by hoopla-pdx on Jan 19, 2009 3:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
just another lame article
by an observer who has no real interest in the blazers or desire to research a story, and just runs with it for sensationalist purposes like Nick Van Excellent said.
i read the whole article from top to bottom, and to me it seems he has a vendetta against KP, and possibly some kind of beef with the blazers. however he doesnt present enough facts about darius miles as a player in portland.
terrible story, this is why i dont read yahoo sports anymore, general crap reporting
by Yawnie on Jan 18, 2009 2:33 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Paul Allen
The email is very much like a Microsoft bullying type campaign that they used to run so I believe the email was Paul Allen’s idea.
by Fundefined on Jan 18, 2009 2:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Paul Allen ≠ Steve Ballmer
He could still be behind the action as Quick insinuated.
by Norsktroll on Jan 18, 2009 3:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Norsktroll whipping out the fancy characters!
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jan 19, 2009 12:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My son alerted me
to this article earlier. I will abide by Dave’s rule of no cussing, but will say it is a piece of garbage intended to have passer bys sniff and look at it, in order to get attention. “Everyone, look at me, look at me”. AW just lost a lot of respect in my opinion, and I actually liked the guy.
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
by johnv59 on Jan 18, 2009 2:57 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The guy works for Yahoo sports....that's probably why he is such a bitter @%^&*
“He stockpiled draft choices like Reagan did nuclear warheads, buying up millions of dollars worth of picks from cash-strapped teams over the past several seasons.”
You are comparing draft picks to weapons of mass destruction?
‘Cash strapped teams’? Did we bully those poor NBA teams into giving us those picks?
I will be e-mailing this tool and not follow Dave’s rules of remaining civil.
"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5
by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 18, 2009 3:00 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I have e-mailed him and remained civil
That is one of those points Woj didn’t represent accuarately. E.g. when I think of Phoenix that gave us Sergio/Jones/Rudy, I don’t really think of a cash-strapped team. Just of a cheap owner, who did the same thing with draft picks that resulted in Deng for Chicago and Rondo for Boston.
by Norsktroll on Jan 18, 2009 3:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
+1
and the New York Yankees do this every year and nobody complains about that……
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
by johnv59 on Jan 18, 2009 3:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was weak...
I find it hard to imagine any fan, or any person who knows anything about the NBA and the money involved, feeling sorry for a “cash-strapped team”. It certainly gives an indication of the perspective the author is writing from and the narrative he is trying to slap onto the events.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Jan 18, 2009 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Memphis is a cash-strapped team
though largely through the mismanagement of Heisley, the owner.
They put a bad product on the floor, they play in a city which is both a) small by NBA standards and b) dirt poor, and c) they’ve been in fire-sale mode for years.
Of course, they used to play in a larger, richer city—but Heisley moved the team to Memphis, so he can’t complain about the lousy market there.
OTOH, it was the Lakers that took advantage of Memphis, not the Blazers.
The Phoenix Suns are not “cash-strapped”—they play in a huge media market, have a huge merchandise business, and are a marquee franchise. Owner Robert $arver, however, has made the business decision that he will not pay luxury tax—a difficult thing to accomplish when you have the contracts of Shaq, Nash, and Amare on your books. Imagine how good the Suns would be if they, and not Portland/Chicago, had guys like Deng or Rudy.
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 10:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Article vs Editorial
and lets not get this wrong, its an editorial, there was no researching (beyond reading other reporter’s stories) no interviewing or anything. What he wrote up was pure opinion. I personally stopped reading him last year. Most of the “Big” NBA media outlets (at least the print ones) have avoided shading the story with opinions, so of that I’m greatful.
by SamGoody on Jan 18, 2009 3:30 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Yes, exactly.
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jan 19, 2009 1:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This article angered me greatly
Even though I haven’t been a fan for very long I understand exactly where he went wrong and just how little work he put into that article, it’s just hatred. I thought it was disgusting.
by BeloHorizante on Jan 18, 2009 4:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Re: Who initiated the e-mail, Pritchard, Miller or Allen? It doesn't matter. In fact, it's great that you can't really tell.
That is a characteristic quality of a good organization that is likely to have lasting success in the future under the current leadership. I have written this a while ago when it became publicly apparent that the Dallas Mavericks leadership was not in agreement over the Jason Kidd – Devin Harris deal, but it fits this situation as well.
An important trait that you want on any team, whether it’s in sports, business, or something completely else, is a “disagree and execute” culture. This means that you can – and should – discuss important issues fervently inside your organization. But once a decision has been reached, everybody has to represent and execute this decision, no matter if originally he was in favor of it or not. [Unless it violates basic ethical/moral principles of course. That is not an option]
I have never worked in the management of a sports team, but I have first hand seen private companies going down mainly because it’s management didn’t have such a culture. On the other hand some of the best businesses and leaders I have ever experienced or worked with embodied that style. Even after long discussions and very painful decisions that some members of the leadership team would certainly have made differently when acting alone, an outsider couldn’t possibly tell that from how they went forward. Everybody truly “owned” that decision, even if it was counter to their original opinion. As a leader you, your team and your organization will be held accountable for your decisions anyway, so why not do your best to live with them? Of course it still matters to make good decisions, but if a team can continue to be focused and build even on a bad one from time to time they will be much better off for it.
Avery [Johnson] said: “At the end of the day, whenever something is done, everybody has to be a part of it.” “Everybody has to be on board, whether you agree or disagree”. Exactly. But apparently when all is said and done Avery didn’t truly believe in that, which unfortunately disqualifies him as a good leader in my eyes. Maybe Mark Cuban thought the same.
by Norsktroll on Jan 18, 2009 4:57 AM PST reply actions 5 recs
Rec'd
Even in the face of a P.R mess up the management team stays united, there is no blaming culture there.
by BeloHorizante on Jan 18, 2009 5:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We have "journalists" like this
on this side of the water, too.
They tend to work for the Sun, or the other trashy tabloids.
Why let facts interfere when you can stir the pot more by leaving them out, or twisting them?
Grab a few facts, and present them in the worst possible light, and then say, “Well, it’s TRUE!!!”
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 18, 2009 5:40 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The Daily Mail
The middle classes rag
by BeloHorizante on Jan 18, 2009 7:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That one, too
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 18, 2009 8:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
What was reallu stupid was
when Wojnarowski said how Miles had ‘grown up’ since his days in Portland. Well we remember and it wasn’t him JUST being immature, he cussed out his coach and had the coach fired! So just cause he decided to grow up now we should forgive and forget all his ‘immature actions’.
by VinnyB on Jan 18, 2009 5:43 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
And is it possible
Miles is behaving himself so he can get paid.
Are we so naive to think that if he gets a guaranteed contract he won’t revert to his true self?
by loud1 on Jan 18, 2009 7:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness to Miles
Cheeks was toast regardless; Miles rant was just noting the obvious.
Kinda like the priest reading the last rites, but with naughty words.
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 10:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think darius would look better on our bench than anyone elses....just so I didn't ever have to see another head bop again.
The Faith don't panic, the faith freaks out burns out farms and torchs small villages in the name of The Faith.
by faith on Jan 18, 2009 5:54 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is just bulletin board material for KP
as he takes us to the next level.
by TallTimber on Jan 18, 2009 7:08 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Hey Dave
I’ve been following you for a couple years now. Nothing you don’t already know but I’ll go ahead and reaffirm it for you:
Your writing and analysis—and particularly the analysis—has gotten razor sharp. Really good stuff.
I don’t know what-all you get from doing this blog other than satisfaction but whatever it is you deserve it and more.
I was thinking about that as I read your response. Years ago, I’d’ve read that and stewed about it on the treadmill for a while. Scanned a few papers. Listened to a few pundits. Notions in my head would have died a feeble death with uncertain conclusions. Your response, however, is perfect. And true. And I bet it will be unmatched within conventional media.
Buck Williams for the hall of fame
by Phizbin on Jan 18, 2009 7:40 AM PST reply actions 24 recs
Yes, it is undoubtedly the better piece of comment on the issue
by Norsktroll on Jan 18, 2009 8:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If you like this comment...
Not mine, Phizbin’s, recommend it and turn it green. Not just for Phizbin, do it for Dave. This is exactly how I felt reading this article.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Jan 18, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and the best thing about Dave's article
is that it is completely representative of his work. Not just his best work – all his work.
And Ben rocks too. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 19, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Woj has set himself up for a libel suit.
Brandon Roy is the Shawn Kemp of monogamy
-BE poster whose name I can't remember
by TheTinfoil on Jan 18, 2009 8:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
except for the whole
public figure exception
by SamGoody on Jan 18, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, great piece Dave
I’m not going to give them the website hit and bother reading the column, it’s not even necessary for me now. It’s funny how badly the majority of the media wanted to jump on the Blazers bandwagon, and now how they want to tear them down. To even refer to this incident as Jailblazer like is laughable, and ironic given that the team was taking every possible, legal and within the rules step to rid themselves of their final Jailblazer. Shame on Wojnarowski for his misguided blow hard conclusions. Most teams in the NBA would have done the same exact thing.
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by mark twain on Jan 18, 2009 8:29 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Too true:
To even refer to this incident as Jailblazer like is laughable
It’s like saying Wojnarowski’s article was Woodward and Bernstein’s Watergate reincarnated. Not even in the same league. Not even close. This was not investigative journalism. This wasn’t even journalism. This article took NO TALENT whatsoever….just a platform.
Keep trying buddy.
You know what is also ironic? Wojnarowski calling KP arrogant. All the while having the arrogance himself to claim he knows what KP is thinking, his character and what is going on inside the Blazer’s organization and assuming that just because he said it, we are all going to accept it as fact. He never once in the article starts out a sentence with “In my opinion…” or “I believe that…” He just assumes that KP and the Blazers have the worst intentions and then slimes them and expects us go, “well since this guy at Yahoo said it, it must be true.”
by JasonT on Jan 18, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I meant to blockquote you...
To even refer to this incident as Jailblazer like is laughable
by JasonT on Jan 18, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That was one of the few Woj points
with which I somewhat agreed. The email and other questionable Blazer tactics in this matter absolutely have made them look like the old Jail Blazer regime. Woj is just running with it.
by MiledAnimal on Jan 18, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I heartily disagree
I don’t think the intent behind the email was malicious. I believe they were attempting to lay down a paper trail. Besides that, it wasn’t a flourid threat, more like luke-warm warning. That is definitely not in the same or even similar spirit of strip-clubbin’ on family hardship-leave-time or tin-wrappin’ weed/walking through the metal detector shenanigans.
by llublazerfan on Jan 18, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that their intent wasn't malicious,
but what I wrote was that it made them look like the Jail Blazer regime, in the eyes of NBA fans and media. We’ve certainly seen plenty of confirmation of that.
by MiledAnimal on Jan 19, 2009 9:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
miles
I think people are forgetting the most important thing about this situation. Sure it’s a bad thing that his money is back on our cap but i think we are going to be good with our without the cap space. Prichard did what he had to do to get Miles of f the team. Just be glad that Miles plays for Memphis and not us.
by blazerfn77 on Jan 18, 2009 8:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
was almost a homerun
but Darious came back to haunt us once again……I liked every move the trailblazers made in this whole thing, even though the E-mail was viewed as some sort of bullying tactic what good business man would not have tried to cover his arse just one more time? So it didn’t work we are right where we started and Darious was not around to infect this fine young group with his lets say ( liberal morals) that alone was worth any fallout from this ordeal. It also taught me that about 90% of the sportwriters in america can’t get the story straight, story after story fact wise read like a gradeschoolers at a cafeteria table exchanging that days gossip but as it went from child to child each fact was lost or embelished just a lil more. I love this front office now trade rlec and one of the guys for another stud!
by runanjum on Jan 18, 2009 9:12 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
They should have made it more clear
that they didn’t have a problem with teams signing him as long as it wasn’t just to screw with the Blazers’ cap room. That was the biggest mistake—the verbiage was there, but it wasn’t emphasized enough.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 18, 2009 9:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't have mattered.
They wrote it clearly in english. They still got ripped for it. There’s an undercurrent of jealousy and resentment on the part of other NBA owners and fans toward our rising team. The email gave them an opportunity to express it.
by MiledAnimal on Jan 19, 2009 9:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe like this
IF and ONLY IF a team signs Miles FOR THE PURPOSE repeat FOR THE PURPOSE of screwing us over THEN we will sue them BUT NOT IF THEY SIGN HIM FOR THE PURPOSE OF ACTUALLY PLAYING HIM.
On second thought, just don’t send the memo. Yeah.
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 23, 2009 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Typical modern media
swing for the fences sensationalism. Of course KP has a healthy ego – most successful people in competitive fields do, at least as pertains to their abilities. Put it this way – would you feel comfortable going to a wishy washy doctor/having a CEO who had a panic attack whenever a decision needed to be made? I know web traffic/advertising is the name of the game, especially in an era with so many competing outlets, but this is over the top. Unfortunately, dreck like this is becoming the rule, not the exception.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 18, 2009 9:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What I don't understand
Is why, if Darius had to play 10 games, and the pre-season games counted, didn’t the 10 game suspension happen during the pre-season also?
"Intent is prior to content, the question is, does this generation really want truth?"
"Cogito ergo sum" -Descartes
by Shribby on Jan 18, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Confused.
I don’t get it. Does playing a few minutes in some magical number (10) of games somehow prove the doctors wrong? I don’t believe they ever said they guy wouldn’t be able to short minutes. What they were addressing was whether he would be able to continue a long term proffesional career on a badly damaged knee. Alot of the new found Darius fans seem to think that everyone was wrong and how ashamed the Blazer organization should be. Just exactly what has Darius accomplished? Time will tell if it’s been a good decision for Darius to ignore medical advice. He could easily damage his knee tomorrow and re-end his career. Then who’s right? The real problem with the NBA is all the garaunteed contracts. We have entire fan bases stuck with players that under achieve or lack motivation to play once they get their money. I long for a time when fans aren’t stuck with players that don’t deserve their rewards.
by Flapbreaker on Jan 18, 2009 9:56 AM PST reply actions 1 recs
Apperantly the Doctors
from the Nets, Celtics, Suns and Mavericks, Grizzles all disagree since they all worked him out and scouted him. They have just as must “moral obligation” as the Portland team to Miles.
by Fundefined on Jan 18, 2009 10:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
However, the Nets, Suns, and Mavs didn't sign him to anything
…when you look at prospective players, and “work them out”, you don’t do full medical evals on them first. Preliminary workouts like this are generally not full-contact affairs.
Only when you are considering signing a contract would a team bother with a medical exam.
Miles didn’t get to that point, obviously…
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
exactly...
I’ve been trying to find some statement from any of those teams saying they cleared him medically. I can’t not even from memphis…
by SamGoody on Jan 18, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
HIPPA
The HIPPA law, which mandates far greater privacy in health-related matters, has had an interesting effect on sports franchises. Generally, teams cannot talk about players injuries or such, beyond what is necessary to explain the absence from games and the like.
One of the charges Woj and other Blazer critics have been making, is that they have been publicly and privately disparaging Miles and his health. Publicly, they claimed that the league doctor called Miles knee the “worst he’d seen” or something like that—which may have been out of line (I can’t remember the exact quote). I don’t know what they have been saying privately, because they don’t talk to me. Blazers’ management has made one other inappropriate remark concerning a player that I’m aware of, when they suggested that Al Jefferson did poorly on a phsychological profile—this might have come from the prior regime, not KP, in defense of the Telfair pick (Bassy was #13 in 2004, Jefferson #15).
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but its only a violation...
if the player did not sign a consent for release of information. Perhaps Darius and Al signed consents? And even if they didn’t, they would have to sue for anything to be done about it.
by llublazerfan on Jan 18, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's HIPAA, not HIPPA...
…but yes I agree w/you.
Not sure what KP did to make Woj so angry, but it’s like the dude was just swinging away wildly in a vain effort to connect. Yes he made some good points but the article was just littered with garbage. On this point, it’s like he’s mad at KP for being open ("arrogant"), and simultaneously angry at him for being secretive and…. ooooooh, “underground”.
MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)
by The Cactus Leaguer on Jan 18, 2009 10:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why is woj so into this story?
Why is he the one who determined the preseason game rule and has just been all over this story like he is darius’ mom and is trying to get back at her boy’s former employers for being mean..
by idoltime on Jan 18, 2009 9:58 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think there is some back scratching going on
My guess is that Danny Ainge is his source. This is how Wojnarowski is paying Ainge back for giving him a copy of that e-mail and those juice anonymous quotes.
I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
God forgives, tominhawaii doesn't.
by tominhawaii on Jan 18, 2009 10:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
and how Ainge gets back on KP
for Roy?
I agree.. Woj seems to be covering this story and finding the “hidden” angles to a degree beyond even a sensationalist journalist would be…
by idoltime on Jan 18, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if it's that deep
He just seems like the instigator. It could be Chris Wallace too. Whoever it is, it’s one of the “good ole’ boys.”
I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
God forgives, tominhawaii doesn't.
by tominhawaii on Jan 18, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Workentin.
Brandon Roy is the Shawn Kemp of monogamy
-BE poster whose name I can't remember
by TheTinfoil on Jan 18, 2009 10:21 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
aaah
Old boy network reasserting itself after a couple years of Pritch-domination…
this is like a.. slap-Pritch… trying to put the newcomer gunslinger back in his place..
a combined attack that included:
A) The Celtics giving him legitimacy and playing him in (then thought to be) meaningless pre-season games and letting him go with good wishes… doubts are cast about Portland..
B) The Grizz giving him the necessary contracts to get through his suspension and get him a couple of games before the 1/7 deadline
C) Leak a story to a-Woj explaining the hidden rule ambiguity that somehow makes pre-season games count for this.
D) The Grizz re-sign him, the Ole boy’s laughing about the litigation threats from Portland, and make sure Miles plays meaningful games to take it right to Portland.
E) Continue the media blitz slap-Pritch attacking KP on a national-level
that seems pretty deep also..
by idoltime on Jan 18, 2009 10:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
B) The Grizz giving him the necessary contracts to get through his suspension and get him a couple of games before the 1/7 deadline.
Let’s add a little under-the-table cash payment to the Grizzlies for their willingness to do the 10-day contracts, and then we’ll have a full-blown conspiracy, which are always fun. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 19, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm--I posted a similar thought below before reading this
Great minds think alike.
But seriously: it doesn’t take an Einstein to figure this out. Something smells very fishy about this piece. It’s too over the top—not in line with other stuff AW has written.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 18, 2009 10:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Adrian W. obviously has an axe to grind
Maybe sources he’s close to—e.g., a couple of Eastern Conference GM’s—are jealous and resentful of KP and the Trailblazers, and AW is carrying their water. In any case, by so obviously going overboard in his attacks on KP, AW has just made himself look bad. Very bad. Sports writing ain’t the stuff of Pulitzers. But this piece doesn’t meet minimal standards of journalism. Actually, it’s embarrassing.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 18, 2009 10:45 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
The article was not thoughtful at all....
I’m not a journalism expert. But I have read a lot. And I know a hit job when I see one. That’s all this piece is, is a hit job. It takes very little talent to write your opinions without much evidence to back them up. In fact, it is a bit arrogant to assume that the reading public is going to believe what you say, just because you say it.
by JasonT on Jan 18, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
It reminded me of the “get Ernie” pieces Canzano was pumping out weekly a few years ago.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 18, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you see yesterday's paper?
Canzano was reading Kent the last rites in his column.
This time, he’s probably right—the Ducks stink this year, Ernie doesn’t have the support of Pat Kilkenny or however you spell it—and Kent is close to the end of his deal.
But still—Canzano’s periodic calling for the heads of the state’s Division I coaches is amusing. A few years ago, he was calling for Kent’s head as well—then the Ducks make it to the Elite Eight. Both Mike Belotti and Mike Riley probably have Canzano columns suggesting their unemployment would be beneficial tacked to their bulletin boards. Both have made mistakes over the years, and Belotti has on occasion done things that are unwise from a publicity point of view (Riley is more successful at cultivating a clean public image). Yet outside of Pete Carroll, any Pac-10 coaches you would rather have?
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 11:09 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kent should be fired
Kent’s offensive philosophy involves hoisting up low percentage shots enough to theoretically outscore an occasional opponent. It worked with the Luke’s all the way to the elite 8, which is the poison of the 3 point shot: Periodicaly it will let you play way over your head if you hit enough of them. Much like blackjack, eventually the house wins because the odds are against you.
With the exception of Aaron Brooks (who’s a speed freak of nature that can create his own shot) and maybe Luke Ridenour, no players from the Ducks program have gone on to amount to jack crap in the NBA during the Ernie Kent era. The real question I have is can Oregon do better? Maybe a new shiny arena will make the difference, provided the communists in Eugene allow it to be built.
But being honest is all I do well.....
by SuperDave on Jan 18, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying Kent shouldn't be...
..and I think that this year, Canzano is probably right that he will be.
Just pointing out that a standard staple of Canzano is calling for the head of the Ducks/Beavers men’s basketball/football coaches whenever one of these teams stumbles. Canzano is, in a way, like the diehard fan who curses and disowns his favorite team after a disappointing or crushing loss, then comes crawling back the next day. OK if you’re a fan, but when a sports columnist behaves this way, it looks opportunistic.
Obviously, coaches are ultimately hired to be fired—and sooner or later, Canzano will be right on his prediction. If the Ducks can’t beat the Beavs in the first round of the Civil War—that’s kinda when I think Kilkenny will pull the trigger.
Regarding Kent himself—his strengths (recruiting) and weaknesses (everything else) are well documented. OTOH, for a NCAA coach, recruiting is the one thing that you cannot delegate to assistants; and it’s probably the hardest skill for a coach to acquire—either your charming in a prospect’s living room, or you’re not. So I expect Kent to be gainfully employed elsewhere in D1 in a few years; he’s had enough success in Eugene that when he gets fired, it won’t be the end of his college coaching career.
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I saw that it had started back up. Agree with you that he’s probably right this time – Kent’sout of lives/Kilkenny has been looking for a chance to get his own guy – but it didn’t have the venom of some of his previous get Kent pieces/this Woj hatchet job on KP.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Bayless is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 18, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's the interesting question
Dave, above, insists that the Blazers did everything “by the book” in the original medical retirement of Miles.
Woj seems to imply otherwise—suggesting that the Blazers won’t pursue any legal action (despite threats to) because of improper conduct on their own part—conduct which would be relevant and discoverable should a lawsuit (or an arbitration, I suppose) take place.
A few posters here seem to agree with Woj. One poster (I can’t remember which one, and I’d not mention the name even if I could) even accused the Blazers of somehow forcing Miles into medical retirement, even though they knew that he was now healthy. (The exact comment suggested that Miles had started a workout program last summer, and had experienced significant improvement in his knee—but the Blazers encouraged him to retire anyway).
Which brings up a few questions:
- Can the team force a player to take a medical retirement against his/her will? Or is this something that only the player can request? I was under the impression, from the Oregonian’s coverage of the topic prior to Darius retiring (Canzano/Quick were discussing the topic of Miles retiring years ago), that the latter was the case—that the league rules prevented the Blazers from even discussing the issue with the player.
- Anyone have the exact timeline handy of public statements concerning Miles health, the medical retirement, etc?
I think that the article singles out KP rather unfairly—this seems to be a high enough business decision (and concerns matters irrelevant to the basketball operations), so tthat I would be surprised if the bucks stops with Pritchard on this one.
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 10:46 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is another point that I have been trying to square
In several articles and posts it was stated that Darius signed retirement papers, wouldn’t this mean he didn’t have to sign if he didn’t want to. And he have the argument that we wouldn’t have given him playing time, but he held the cards really. Pritch would have been trying to trade him this year, and with all the racket about 2010 Darius kinda had an attractive contract. I mean if we could redo it I think we would have held on to him and tried to trade him.
by SamGoody on Jan 18, 2009 12:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I probably shouldn't comment..
…because I don’t know the exact legal framework of medical retirement. But if memory is serving me right with Miles we had reached a road block. If Miles while he was here and under contract with us, really wanted to play or really thought he could, I think The Blazers didn’t want him, or didn’t think he could. So you have a situation where what The Blazers would rather have is his cap space, while with Miles you have a situation where he would rather be released and have the opportunity to pursue a comeback in a situation where perhaps he would really be wanted. So if you buy that premise, you can see why both The Blazers and Miles would be willing to agree and pursue the definition of medically retired. It immediately appeared to help The Blazers, while longterm it allowed Miles opportunity. So I guess my point is I don’t think medical retirement was forced on Miles by The Blazers or vice-versa. The Blazers gambled that Miles wouldn’t come back, they lost that gamble. Miles found a way to be paid his contract and be free to pursue whatever situation he could find. It appears that worked out for Miles.
I have wondered about that though. What if Miles would of never agreed to medical retirement? What if he refused to be examined by an independent? Or what if you had a real lazy player that never really intended to play again but kept a team held hostage to his contract by half-hearted but never ending rehab? If anyone knows if a team can force medical retirement or if a player can refuse, I’d just like to know the details.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on Jan 18, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's how I see it too
Blazers want cap relief. Miles knows they will never play him again and wants his full contract plus another chance at a career, including more money from a second concurrent contract. Makes sense for both parties to sign. Miles claiming all along that he would return is completely conistent with his reasoning for signing.
Would Miles have preferred to simply remain a Blazer? Maybe if they would have seen him as part of the franchise. But as that was clearly not the case signing a medical retirement makes a whole lot of sense.
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 18, 2009 4:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what if you had a real lazy player that never really intended to play again but kept a team held hostage to his contract
To my REALLY limited knowledge on medical retirement, the hypothetical player would be getting his money either way, so what’s the impetus to ‘hold his team hostage’?
"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan
by 12sharks on Jan 19, 2009 1:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A team cannot force a player to retire
And the Blazers did not force Darius to retire. He didn’t retire.
Now the team did cut him. The rules allow them to do so as long as Darius continues to be paid every dollar that is guaranteed in his contract. And because the independent doctor ruled that the injury was career-ending, the Blazers got the cap relief since a full year had passed since the injury occurred.
That’s all that happened. The CBA required that Darius submit to the examination. But nobody ever forced Darius to retire or to forfeit a penny of his guaranteed money.
Darius seems to be convinced that the reported opinion of the doctor – that continuing to play professional basketball risks even more permanent injury and might make knee replacement someday a certainty instead of a possibility – is to be ignored. I hope he doesn’t cause himself serious disability by continuing to play.
by Storyteller on Jan 18, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wojnarowski is harmless -- We should be thanking him.
Writers with a jealous grudge will crawl out of the woodwork at the least opportunity. You have to expect that.
Pritchard’s work over the last 3 seasons has been nothing short of brilliant, and some media members just can’t stand to have a figure with no mud on their face. Makes them look bad, you see. So here he is, flinging mud at the Blazers in the hope that some of it lands on KP.
Really, how does the handling of the Miles situation make the organization any worse than it was back before Miles was medically retired in the first place? It doesn’t. In fact, we’re still better off because Darius and his “me-first” attitude are now miles away (no pun intended) from the Blazers locker room.
What is Wojnarowski’s article really doing? Blowing smoke. And that’s honestly not all bad for the Blazers right now. I think David Aldridge said it best when he said no one’s going to care about Oden’s struggles as long as the Darius story is still in the news. With Greg fouling out in limited minutes (again) last night, that kind of distraction is exactly what we need. Thanks Woj!
Write-in Rudy for All-Star 2009!
by Majikj0n on Jan 18, 2009 11:13 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good point--and kudos for even attempting to spell AW's name
BTW, “Adrian” is such a girlie name. Back in grade school, this one kid was named Adrian, so we teased him unmercifully. And that kid didn’t even wear glasses or have an unspellable last name. Imagine what poor AW went thru!
Clearly all the ridicule scarred him, so he became jealous and resentful—especially of smart, rich, handsome, popular jocks with cool names like our KP. Too bad Adrian wasn’t named “John Jones” or something. Then he’d admire KP like everyone else.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Jan 18, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bad Move
It was really a bad move to send that threatening EMAIL to all the NBA teams. I mean, come on. You know that email will be made public instantly. I gather, PR is not one of Larry Miller’s strong suits?
You live and learn. Move on.
by Balian on Jan 18, 2009 11:19 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure the Blazers knew the email would be leaked
If they didn’t, they’re dumb… but they don’t appear to be dumb.
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 11:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lets start the Fire Larry Miller chants now
Bottom line the Blazers organization pulled a punk move in how they handled the Darius Miles situation. In hind sight, the email sent out by Larry Miller had a negative impact on the perception of the Blazers league wide. I could care less about how other teams and people view us, if it weren’t systemic of poor decisions in the recent past. The Comcast deal anyone? I don’t know if Larry Miller acted independently, or if there was pressure from other sources (read Paul Allen), but I think 2 atrocious management decisions certainly deserves some examination of said executive’s job performance.
Look, we’re not too far removed from the Trader Bob and Nash eras. The common denominator is the ownership group who may have at one time been very skilled at developing sub par operating system software, but has shown historically to be a poor evaluator of basketball talent and stadium lease laws. So lets get on with it and make Larry Miller the latest in a long line of patsies to blame for Paul Allen’s inability to hire the right people.
But being honest is all I do well.....
by SuperDave on Jan 18, 2009 11:28 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Your post makes sense, but makes no sense
if you know what I mean.
Looking at things sort of logically:
1) If this was a (primarily) Paul Allen decision:
a) Larry can’t be held actually responsible;
b) if it’s Larry’s job to take the fall—to be the scapegoat—it’s not time yet to get rid of him. The scapegoat in this case hasn’t accumulated enough of the sins of the tribe to be worth driving off. The Miles brouhaha will probably be forgotten in a short amount of time; and I’ll reserve judgment on Comcast until it is time to renegotiate the deal.
2) If this was (primarily) a Larry Miller decision
a) Too early to make the call.
What do you think Miller’s role is in the organization? Is he a figurehead, just a guy to gladhand local business leaders and be the public face of the Blazers for non-basketball matters? Or does he actually have a significant role in managing the Blazers, in particular the business side of the house?
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pimply Journalism
based on innuendo and personal attack. He’s not getting a pulitzer for this one; not even a kudo.
by oregonslee on Jan 18, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Dave, you're too kind.
You have given AW too much credit.
The first cause was the Blazers seemed a bit desperate in overpaying Miles and hoping against hope with Ratliff. I understood this at the time and saw it as necessary. Enabling his off court behavior and locker room influence didn’t help. Missteps and mistakes with this recent fiasco by Blazers’ management and ownership seems tone deaf to what it has cost them for any potential endgame in appeals to Stern prior to free agency.
However, AW has made it personal, and he’s made himself the story. While I don’t wish him ill, since I don’t know him … and though this may not reflect well upon me … I will try to never read another article by AW. He is dead to me—figuratively speaking, of course.
by HoopsFan on Jan 18, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
In KP we trust
Never have I felt more strongly about this statement than I do now. One thing that amazes me about the articles I have read regarding Darius and/or KP is how often we hear an unnamed GM say, “What did he coin the term Pritch-slapped or something?” I am sure this term has been used on other websites, maybe even brought up in some editorials, and I am sure Danny Ainge and Chris Wallace cry about it to each other as they have long conversations in the bathtub. But make no mistake terms like Pritch-slapped became popularized on this website. Our celebrations of Prichard’s success have been read by some of the highest individuals in the NBA. Not only that, but these NBA GMs have had their egos bruised so badly by KPs actions and our gloating that they had to go whining to a Yahoo Sports reporter willing to write this garbage. So instead of being upset about what Wojnarowski wrote, we should rejoice in the reality that our love for this team and our admiration for our GMs accomplishments have gotten so far under the skin of opposing GMs. They’re not angry because Prichard did something wrong, they’re angry because Prichard is a better GM than they are.
In KP we trust
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 18, 2009 11:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
What I said goes for everything other than the Jail Blazer's part at the end
That was completely uncalled for and I hope Woj’s and his editor get a reaming for posting it.
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 18, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's over, only Paul Allen will "suffer"
Miles was getting paid no matter what ($18 million for the next two years) be it from insurance or from Paul Allen’s pocket. The cap number hurts, but not too bad especially considering the Blazers have the Bird rights to all their draft picks. There aren’t too many marquee free agents that Portland wants to pick up, they are just looking for (maybe) a solid vet with playoff experience.
Growth from this team will come from within, not from signing an expensive free agent. KP could still work out a sign and trade this off-season with many affordable, desirable players.
Trying to pickup Miles for the express purpose of trying to derail his career was low, though. Leaking his drug test results was also immoral, not to mention illegal under the CBA. Ditto for the private medical record releases. “Everything was done by the books” doesn’t really include leaking these.
KP was playing hardball, and $36 million of the owner’s money is worth a bit of malfeasance. He’s not really the guilty one, Larry Miller’s the one with the criminal email accredited to him, but he’s no choir boy in this instance.
by Haon123 on Jan 18, 2009 11:48 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
thing is...
I believe it hasn’t been proven, just insinuated that Portland leaked the Drug Test, but that stuff happens all the time. AND second I just wanted to inform some people. The Medical Records thing the HIPPA law had just been changed, you used to be able to speak about it before. I’m willing to bet that that was just a mistake, especially since I’m sure the league had access to Miles’ retirement papers… so they could have found out any ways
by SamGoody on Jan 18, 2009 12:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good Evaluation Dave
I already did my cathartic commenting within the sidebar thread. I think you have written a good response. A good balanced response and kudos for that. Because as a Blazer fan if you read the article the first reaction is to want to bring a Bazooka to the Bazooka match.
The only thing I might add personally at this point is that as a fan I’m a little “Shocked”, maybe a little “hurt” at the extremeness of Wojnarowskis attack. We fans invest ourselves emotionally within our chosen teams. I try to remain objective, I don’t think I’m so blinded that I can’t admit when The Blazers make mistakes. It’s a franchise, operated, owned and run by humans, perfection should not be expected on any level. But when Wojnarowski goes on and on about the arrogance of the entire franchise and then specificly attacks KP over almost every thing he’s done since arriving. Holding it against KP that he’s been succesful and been well received by most Blazer fans? That bothers me. I wonder if Wojnarowski is representitive of a bigger picture? Miles and E-Mail issue aside, how did we get to be do disliked? Are GM’s and media really that jealous of our success? So we obtained Brandon Roy and LMA, we got lucky and the opportunity to draft Oden, we’ve bought some draft picks and we got Sergio and Fernandez and it looks like we made good choices in obtaining Batum and Bayless. Has that perceived success really made people outside of the Blazer fanbase THAT jealous, that upset? I kind of feel like the High School stereotype of the popular kid, that thinks people like him, but then over hears his supposed friends trashing him behind his back.
Yes, I think Blazer Management has a lot to answer for in what I think has been poor handling of the Miles situation. But does that warrant an attack on the entire management and ownership? Does that warrant the labeling of arrogant on the entire franchise? Plus should KP be attacked and torn down because he has been succesful? None of that seems correct to me.
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by Krang on Jan 18, 2009 11:49 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wojnarrowski
Elizabeth had a partner and he had a rap from the cops, Him and Lenny Suckerpunch were just out Tooling around
by Lizzy Lowblow on Jan 18, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
So, whose worse
Woj, or that homer journalist in Toronto who cast a ROY vote for Andrea Bargnini?
by EngineerScotty on Jan 18, 2009 12:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You have to ask?
Chuck Swirsky made himself look like the world’s biggest homer, that’s all. Woj’s hit-piece is so over-the-top that it makes me wonder if he’s stalking Marlene Kanehailua.
by MiledAnimal on Jan 18, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was the other way around.
Swirsky made himself look like an idiot and cost Brandon Roy a spot in NBA ROY history.
Woj just made himself look like an idiot.
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by rockingharder on Jan 19, 2009 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's in Chicago now
That’s punishment enough
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by jamon51 on Jan 18, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thoughts
a) I’ve written a ton of unpopular thoughts on StR, and many of them were poorly received, and even when faced with the possibility that long term I was correct, very few people want to deal with the reality—glad to see that isn’t the case here (it also helps when it’s your name on the blog though)
b) If I was going to write about this, which I’m not, it’s nice to see that someone can take an even approach
c) All your points across the board are important to note; something few fans outside of Portland, who are clearly jealous of the organization, but I’m not sure those jealous even know why, and it’s skewing perspective depending which route you take in all this
d) The medical retirement rule has flaws, namely the fact that the Blazers couldn’t make him medically retired, only the Players Association could (something many are forgetting)
e) last but not least, Wojnarowski has been very inflammatory over the whole issue, and has stoked the fire far beyond where it should have ever gone in the first place, and I’m glad someone had was willing to state that the issue is not clear cut, and in fact the issue’s are gray area as you pointed out Dave
I’ve read some of your stuff over the years, but this was a classic even for you.
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by pookeyguru on Jan 18, 2009 12:31 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
For someone who professes to be sick of the story
You clearly aren’t pookey. And no offense, but coming to an echo chamber (on this particular subject) and dishing out points a, b and c is a bit laughable.
Sure, there are gray areas here – and as with most complicated issues in sports and real life you can massage the facts to back your point of view in either direction. But to claim that only the Portland SBN site can have an even approach on the subject is quite untrue. For the most part, the viewpoint on this site (and a great site I think it is) has to be close to 90% in the Trailblazers corner.
I’d say over at StR, we were fairly evenly split, until the story came out about the Blazers’ attempt to claim Miles on waivers. Even now, there are plenty who think it’s much ado about nothing, some that think what the Blazers did is all fair in big boy sports, and some that see their actions as unethical.
I can only speak for myself, but I’m not jealous of the Blazers as much as disappointed in their management. If I’m jealous of anything, it’s the talent they put on the floor nightly – I can’t imagine there aren’t fans of many teams that aren’t a bit envious of that roster, and the potential it brings.
But the overall “jealousy” argument you posited is fairly grade-schoolish, and feels like an attempt to get your ego massaged by a few Blazers fans.
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by otis29 on Jan 18, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah good luck pulling that one off (getting people here to massage my ego)
You don’t agree. But, the jealousy argument does ring true. Whether you agree is another matter.
Sure, there are gray areas here – and as with most complicated issues in sports and real life you can massage the facts to back your point of view in either direction. But to claim that only the Portland SBN site can have an even approach on the subject is quite untrue. For the most part, the viewpoint on this site (and a great site I think it is) has to be close to 90% in the Trailblazers corner.
I agree on one thing. This is pro Trail Blazers. The rest is crapola. Pure 100% grade. But where did the argument skew to defending the Blazers here? There were arguments made for them yes; I could have done the same thing. There were mistakes made here by all sides otis: the NBA, Darius Miles himself (He is not a saint after all), Wojnarowski, Pritchard, yadda yadda. That’s life. You don’t like my view point fine. Again, nobody is saying you have to.
You wanna call me a kiss butt, go ahead. Wasn’t kissing nobody’s nuthin. I thought it was a fair honest assessment on what happened, and after what Wojnarowski wrote, fair.
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by pookeyguru on Jan 19, 2009 3:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, PG
I was much less fair in the letter I wrote Woj and what I wrote to Skeets about his Yahoo colleague Woj.
You know how much we love Dave here. Its always nice to hear he is getting respect outside our fanbase.
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by Honka Playboy on Jan 19, 2009 9:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The key part of Dave's whole article
It’s also safe to say that while Kevin Pritchard generally seems like a nice guy, Kevin Pritchard knows who Kevin Pritchard is. It wouldn’t surprise me to find out that Kevin Pritchard knows that you’re not Kevin Pritchard either. Most talented leaders have that element within them. Arrogance is part of what drives us to be leaders in the first place.
Why is this the key part? Because I really don’t care what Adrian WhatsHisFace wrote, so I don’t care about Dave’s analysis of it.
BUT!!!!
Look at what Dave just wrote. Dave used the word “us” in that last sentence.
Dave Deckard just claimed to be a talented leader, and admitted he’s arrogant. There you have it folks.
Just WHAT is Dave intending to lead with his talent? WHO is he intending to lead? How does his arrogance manifest itself? Where will it take him? Where will it take those who are foolish brave enough to follow him?
I detect a future fanpost. Certain members of this blog (not wishing to name names) tend to remember comments like that — and run with them.
Watch this space.
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by jscot on Jan 18, 2009 2:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I think he was talking about World of Warcraft.
I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
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by tominhawaii on Jan 18, 2009 3:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Dave is a guild leader
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 19, 2009 4:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Worth repeating from the original article...
For whatever hollow intimidation they used to try to stop the signing of Miles, Blazers officials understood this: They were the last people who would’ve wanted to go under oath about the behind-the-scenes machinations of Miles’ injury retirement. Only the Blazers would’ve been on trial. Only they would’ve had to answer the most uncomfortable of questions.
* * *
The irony of it all, of course, is that Miles has turned into an improbable teacher to the Blazers, giving them some lessons on professionalism and humility. Yes, he had been immature for most of his career. He had made terrible mistakes. Only now, he has grown up.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 18, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Did Darius grow up before or after using weight loss drugs to get back in shape?
The Blazers might have leaked this which is debatable, the author claims it but I have seen no proof and the league officially announced the suspension on Sep. 19 long before pre-season. But for sure they did not hand him those pills.
by Norsktroll on Jan 18, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
OH MY GOD!!!! HE USED.......................... DIET PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
C’mon, Norwegian Troll, you can do better than that!
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 18, 2009 3:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
13 points in one quarter against LeBron? Yowza!!! 10 in the next game? Good stuff...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 18, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Mhm, he didn't play LeBron, it was Szczerbiak. But spelling that is hard, and LeBron has more name recognition.
As for the diet pills: They are a banned substance, and somehow it came in his blood. Since he didn’t appeal the test, it’s safe to say he took them. Not as bad as HGH or steroids (which some players probably also use), but still not allowed and you get docked for ten games. Not exactly the behavior of a role model athlete who has “grown up” and now works oh so hard on his comeback. Darius became overweight (by athletic standards), and wanted to take the easy way back. So Woj conveniently omits that little detail, and rather talks about what bad things KP has done this summer to prevent Darius from coming back and how he brags about his successes. Like Dave I don’t say the Blazers are without blame in this situation especially from an ethical perspective, yet I don’t buy the “KP went witch hunting after Darius the saint” spin either.
Aah, happier times when Darius and Kevin were still friends: http://www.blazersedge.com/2009/1/13/719409/kevin-pritchard-darius-mil
by Norsktroll on Jan 18, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they also ran undrafter rookie Darnell Jackson at Darius
I watched the game. I hope we see the same defensive effort when we face the Cavs.
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by Honka Playboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
The Blazers went by the book completely to remove Miles from their cap. They were probably confident he wouldn’t play again (why wouldn’t they be?). They were wrong. Shortly after the release of W’s first article, there were many reports of teams prepared to sign Darius just to screw the Blazers. Then the email came out.
This set of text makes it sound like the Blazers threw money to all the doctors, players association, league officials and media to make sure that the retirement went through. The primary uncomfortable questions seemingly have been answered – or at the least conjectured upon (i.e. the release of medical info, drug test violation, e-mail, waivers, etc.).
From Darius’ side of the issue, he took money without playing for 2 years. Then he was set up to do the same for two more years. Somehow he found the desire to play only after a franchise had given up on him so completely that they didn’t even want to try to bring him back. Somehow Portland is to learn a lesson in professionalism from a man who didn’t want to show any until he was kicked out the door? Strange how much more of a team player he has become now that there aren’t teams beating down the door to have him.
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by shenanigans on Jan 18, 2009 9:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work, Dave
And while I think the “infamous email” was poor judgment on the Blazers’ part, the overall national reaction has been heavy handed and half informed. I enjoyed watching the Blazers before all of this happened, and I still enjoy watching them now.
Good luck and good health in the 2nd half.
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by section214 on Jan 18, 2009 2:34 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Dave - a great job with this
Especially your ability to not allow your own emotions to cloud your responses.
I do, however, disagree with you on one point, when you say
Obviously Miles can play because he has. He should not be medically retired at this point.
I agree fully with your first sentence. But you jump a bit too quickly to the conclusion of your second sentence.
His ability to play a few minutes a game and whether he ‘should’ retire or not are not necessarily so easy to link. The reports I remember reading this spring about the results of his examination with the independent doctor pointed more to the risk of future permanent injury, possible reduction in his future quality of life, and whether or not future play would lead to knee replacement. The doctor did not say that he was physically disabled today.
Very few players who retire for medical reasons are incapable of playing basketball. Most of the time, it’s more of an issue of ‘playing isn’t worth the physical consequences of playing any longer.’
‘Am I able to play?’ and "Should I continue to play?’ are two very different questions.
by Storyteller on Jan 18, 2009 5:03 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Which brings up a huge issue
of medical ethics. The definition of “quality of life” has never been solidly defined in the medical arena and remains wholly in the hands of the patient and his or her family. There’s an analogy here, I think, with “quality of play” or “quality of life vis a vis the decision to play”. Who decides that “should” in “Should I continue to play?” Who decides acceptable risk? I don’t see any alternative to putting it squarely in the purview of the player, his family, and his agent. I suppose a team could refuse to sign a guy because of medical issues, but failing all 30 teams taking that tack simultaneously it pretty much has to be up to the player to decide if he can continue.
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 18, 2009 6:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And if Portland had played him
and he had that knee blow out, they would have had huge liability issues.
Boston and Memphis? I guarantee he signed a waiver before they would sign him to a contract. So they had no liability, he took full responsibility for it.
Portland couldn’t require him to sign such a waiver, because he was already under contract. Boston and Memphis could require it as a condition of the contract.
If you put it squarely in the purview of the player, you have to have a way to exempt the team from the liability. And in this case, Portland wasn’t going to be exempt, while other teams were.
That’s at least one of the problems with hitting Portland financially based on the actions of other teams. Portland couldn’t do what those other teams could do.
And if they had tried to force Darius to sign a waiver before playing him, the Players’ Association would probably have been all over their case.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 18, 2009 11:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not that familiar with the area of sports injury law
but are there examples of players having sued their own teams for letting them play through injury when under contract? I can’t recall one specifically. If this were possible wouldn’t all teams be hyper-concerned about letting anybody with a previous injury go out there?
I know Bill Walton sued the Portland medical staff for improper treatment for pumping him full of drugs so he could play on his bad foot but that seems different. I know NFL guys routinely go through the same thing for important games and they don’t seem to mind the risk.
A player always has the right to refuse to play, but if they agree to take the floor can they sue?
—Dave
by Dave on Jan 19, 2009 12:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
anybody can sue anybody for anything.
You may have a point, it probably is written into the standard contract that if they agree to take the floor, they take the responsibility for their injuries. So I may be off-base on that point — it’s happened before, 15 years ago or so.
I don’t know sports injury law, either.
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by jscot on Jan 19, 2009 3:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
this has always been an important point in my mind
and frankly, I’ve been waiting to hear from a Boston or Memphis team doctor to get their opinion of whether or not Darius can play. I’ve decided that, until a team is willing to offer Darius some kind of guaranteed contract, I’ll suspect that the main, though maybe not only, reason for his re-activation is to mess with the Blazers
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by Honka Playboy on Jan 19, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Should we start calling you Dave Corleone?
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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jan 18, 2009 5:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
One last thing
The tone of Wojnaroski’s column when he writes about KP is what gets me. He assumes more than simple arrogance in Kevin’s character, but writes as if he is a megalomaniac with delusions of grandeur. No one doubts that Kevin is assertive or even arrogant. But that’s not the tone of the article. Wojnarowski writes in such a way as to imply that KP not only thinks far too highly about himself than he should, but that he is desperately in need of humbling events in order to bring him back to earth.
There are definitely people like that in this world. I have had the misfortune of meeting and interacting with several over the course of my lifetime. But I’m curious as to how Wojnarowski arrives at this assessment of KP’s character. Is it because of personal experience in dealing with Kevin? Reports from other league officials? Just a convenient picture to paint in order to set up a story? We are never told.
If I had never met KP, I would actually be more likely to believe this assessment. But although my personal interaction with Kevin consists of only a few hours back in October, I am skeptical to take Wojnarowski’s assertions at face value. As I said earlier, I’ve had the misfortune to meet people with ‘super-egos’ and it’s taken me far less than a couple of hours to discover megalomania in them. So, yes, I absolutely disagree with Wojnarowski’s assessment of KP’s character.
by Storyteller on Jan 18, 2009 5:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Back when I was a kid there was a saying
I am not conceited….I am convinced .
From Websters
ar·ro·gant
Pronunciation: \-gənt\
Function: adjective
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin arrogant-, arrogans, present participle of arrogare
Date: 14th century
Definition: exaggerating or disposed to exaggerate one’s own worth or importance often by an overbearing manner
I have watched and listened to KP many, many, many times. He doesn’t strike me a arrogant …..he has always struck me a merely a very smart ,confident, man. A man with a plan that he sticks to. Many times people who have a plan and stick to it are perceived as arrogant when they are just confident in their plan and their abilitiy to execute it!
KP is not conceited he is convinced
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by 92wastheyear on Jan 18, 2009 5:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Another great analysis and comments by BE
I read the article before I read any of this and had sent the following email to Mr. Wojnarowski:
Your article on Kevin Pritchard will no doubt create the sensationalism you intend. It is nicely written to assassinate Mr. Pritchard’s character and intentions.
It is too bad that you may have to eat those words (without ketchup). They will taste bitter I assure you. I am unclear whether your own intentions are not reflected in your judgments.
Some factual errors are no doubt known to you: Kevin Pritchard has never, ever used or encouraged the use of “Pritch-slapped” to anyone I have read or known. In fact it was born on the website blog “blazersedge.com” by one of the thousands of readers there (never by the blog’s writers) and a employee of the Blazers even asked that the blog stop using the term. It mostly has.
Kevin Pritchard has given hundreds of interviews. Most can be found on the two websites: “Oregonlive.com” and “Trailblazerscentercourt.blogspot.com”. I think I have listened to hundreds of stories and interviews of Kevin Pritchard and never once has he appeared anything but humble, pointing out on an infrequent occasion of discussing his transactions that the other team had needs that the Blazers supplied to make the transaction win-win.
The email quoted by the press about signing Darius was limited to just one issue: Another team’s intention to hurt Portland by signing Mr Miles. It was never about their intention to gain a valuable player. An NBA chosen doctor independently determined that Mr. Miles would not be able to play again without that risk and every team has a copy of that assessment. So the email seemed to simply warn teams that their own motives are subject to examination. My question is: are there any teams who have not discussed gleefully the prospect of denying the Trail Blazers additional cap room? Are there any teams whose internal emails and memos are not potentially as embarrassing as those of the Oklahoma City ownership’s glee about stealing a team from Seattle? It was used against Mr. Pritchard as if Portland were desperately trying to stop Darius for any reason. I don’t get that impression at all. You don’t even know how many teams received the memo. Perhaps only those who had boasted publicly that they would sign him to hurt Portland received the email.
None of that will make you eat your words. Most fans (including Portland fans) are pulling for Darius Miles to return to his natural talent and form. What Kevin Pritchard feared is that Darius will be so crippled after a year or two more playing to be unable to walk and need knee replacement. I really trust that never happens. But it is a risk he is willing to undertake. Should that awful event occur you, sir, will have a bitter meal of a bitter sensationalist diatribe. May it never happen. And if it should may you have the courage to eat this article in public.
I might have included some of this in my email but my concern remains the risk that Darius will be miserable the rest of his life with an artificial knee.
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by lee3022 on Jan 18, 2009 6:01 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
I'd have titled it "Wojnarowski's Pritch-slap" but ....I can't complain...
nice …outlook? I guess….
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by faith on Jan 18, 2009 6:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
that's to daves write up ...not to the article daves...outlooking on ... :)
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by faith on Jan 18, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Wojnarowski = John Conzano
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by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jan 18, 2009 8:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wojnarowski = John Conzano ?? Ridiculous
If Miles contract is back on the books, shouldn’t it be an expiring contract next season that can be traded?
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by Maximus Blaze on Jan 18, 2009 9:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Bingo! if the league doctor had not signed off on this, they would be carrying his contract and would be able to use it as a bargaining chip as it gets close to expiration. Now they are mega-hosed.
And then maybe Shav would be the guy that is supposedly lighting up Lebron instead of Miles.
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by The Cactus Leaguer on Jan 18, 2009 10:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let it go and get on with the achieving the goal!
No one is innocent in this. Miles who did not even try to get back into ‘game shape’ as a Blazers The Blazers who wanted to rid the team of any fragment of ‘jail blazers’, and not so innocently showed Miles the only way out that was available. The league and players association – who had inexperienced, if not fraudulent doctors that told Darius Miles he SHOULD not play ever again.
This is not much difference than the Blazers buying Miles out. He takes a lot of cash and cap space, but his perceived poison is no longer in the locker room.
Now lets figure out what the Blazers can do to win a championship!!! Lets let the lawyers take care of it. The entire organization should be taking responsibility! “There is not ‘I’ in…” – well you know. That starts from the top.
by clonigro on Jan 18, 2009 10:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Evidence, please?
The league and players association – who had inexperienced, if not fraudulent doctors that told Darius Miles he SHOULD not play ever again.
Why should we take the word of somebody on the Internet that the doctors were inexperienced or fraudulent? It’s easy to throw words around….
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 18, 2009 11:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, that is rather unlikely
Sports teams, pro athletes and their associations routinely search out doctors who are recognized as among the best in their field. They can afford the treatment, the travel, etc. and the doctors like the PR. Example: You require knee surgery? You could go to Richard Steadman in Utah (who also pioneered microfracture surgery). Even athletes from Europe come over. Cuttino Mobley was sent all over the US to get different opinions on his heart condition from specialists. I assume whoever assessed Darius wasn’t an assistant orthopedic surgeon who never saw a microfractured knee before to compare it to.
by Norsktroll on Jan 19, 2009 2:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so predictable
I knew someone would have a little fit over that sentence. I had it narrowed down to about 5 people who would comment and you were one of them.
My point was how can a competent doctor (one of the best around apparently) diagnose Miles injury as possible career ending when the truth is that he is still playing quite well?
by clonigro on Jan 19, 2009 9:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Simple
Doctors (even good one) make mistakes all the time when it comes to prognostications. How many oncologists have told patients to make their final plans because they only have months to left to live….and then 5 years later the person is still around. Were they incompetant?? Or was it that the human body just has an unbelievable ability to prove Doctors wrong. Additionally …….these Doctors were never saying that Darius couldn’t play at all ….just that he would have dire consequesnces if chose to do so. The jury is still out on that one (no pun intended).
Larry (the new Johnnie Cochran) Miller: "If we get screwed, we're gonna sue"
by 92wastheyear on Jan 19, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If I'm predictable
then that means I’m logical, and I thank you for the compliment. I don’t mind being known as someone who responds when people make unsubstantiated accusations.
I notice you still haven’t substantiated either “inexperienced” or “fraudulent”.
Cuttino Mobley (just mentioned above) has a “career-ending” heart condition. He had it when he was playing pretty good basketball.
The fact that someone can play quite well does not invalidate the doctors’ evaluation. The doctors never said Darius couldn’t step on the court. They recommended he never do so because of the risk, and considered the risk high enough to certify it “career-ending”.
When you can provide evidence that the risk was not high enough to justify that assessment, then and only then can you really say those doctors got it wrong. If Darius plays through three more full seasons without a serious injury, then you could probably be justified in saying they were wrong.
Even then, if they overstated the risks, it would not justify the accusation you made. And the thing is, you’ve basically acknowledged that it was over the top.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 19, 2009 11:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was asking a question
Most of the time when people ask questions, they are looking for answers. I admit my accusation was over the top which is why I expected you to respond…which is why I re-worded the statement into a question because I really am ignorant about how this could happen. “92wastheyear” gave an answer. You, on the other hand, gave a good answer, but then still railed into me…that does not sound very logical to me. In fact, it sounds quite lonely.
by clonigro on Jan 19, 2009 11:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Well, if your reply to my first comment was intended to withdraw the accusation and reword it into a question, then I see your point of view. It didn’t read that way to me at all.
Your reply to me looked like a personal attack, and the question appeared intended to support your original accusation, since you didn’t actually retract the accusation, or say in that post that it was over the top. So that’s why I responded the way I did, I thought you were still defending the accusation.
It wasn’t my intent to rail on you personally, but to go after the accusation, which you appeared to be defending. I guess I can see why you took it that way, though, and I apologize. Not for refuting the accusation, but for posting in a way that looked personal.
Take care.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 19, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure I was not 1 of the 5
That being said ….it doesn’t suprise me that 1. Jscot’s answer was better than mine …or 2. that Jscot thought you were calling him out. That is what it looked like to me also. I asnwered even though it read like rhetirical question.
Larry (the new Johnnie Cochran) Miller: "If we get screwed, we're gonna sue"
by 92wastheyear on Jan 19, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that hard
Just like what 92 said below about oncologists. Doctors always take the cautious approach. If Miles was told he can’t play anymore then plays, no big deal. If Miles is cleared to play, then gets hurt, then Miles could go after the doctors.
I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
God forgives, tominhawaii doesn't.
by tominhawaii on Jan 20, 2009 3:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I posted about the email over on Clips Nation:
The Blazers ran the email past the NBA front office before they sent it out. The NBA told them it was ok to send the email. There will be nothing punitive from the league.
The NBAPA has made a few statements regarding Darius, as they are expected to. However, they greatly desire the Blazers to regain that cap space. More money for players. The Blazers losing cap space benefits the owners, not the players.
I believe the Blazers will argue that the league- (and NBAPA-) appointed doctor was incorrect in his assessment of the injury and the league is liable to the Blazers (in the form of cap relief) for that misdiagnosis. Had the doctor not declared Darius "career-ending", the Blazers would have held onto his contract ala Raef LaFrenz – Darius’s contract would have been one of those valuable "expires in 2010" contracts, and insurance has been picking up the tab to this point. The Blazers will show they used all their options – trying to sign Darius, sending the email – to prevent the league from incurring that liability.
…in a league where revenue is shared, such as how the NBA divides up luxury tax revenue and tv revenue, it can be argued that a team that knowingly intiates a move that financially impacts another team negatively, taking it from revenue sharing to non-revenue sharing, would violate league by-laws (hence the email to "inform" them). Intent would not have to be proved because the Blazers would be asking for the lost cap space, and not damages, and can show they sent the email to "inform" teams before said team made the move. Memphis would have no claim that they were adversely harmed by not receiving the revenue because they were already receiving revenue-sharing by being under the cap.
What I’m saying is that right now the email looks bad. I remember when the Blazers traded for Aldridge and Roy, on draft night they were hammered for giving up too much to get those guys. Pritchard was called things like "rookie" and "outgunned" by the national pundits, then again when they got "nothing" for Zach Randolph. However, in retrospect you can look back and see how well they outmaneuvered several other teams, how they were ahead of the curve. They hired Tom Penn as assistant GM last year, a CBA expert and a lawyer himself. I think they have an ace up their sleeve, but they aren’t showing it yet. When we look back at this email a year from now, we may be saying what a smart move it was. Or I could be completely wrong and it could be just a bush league move. We’ll know for sure next season I think.
Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.
by Blazerholic on Jan 19, 2009 8:48 AM PST reply actions 2 recs
+1
“What I’m saying is that right now the email looks bad. I remember when the Blazers traded for Aldridge and Roy, on draft night they were hammered for giving up too much to get those guys. Pritchard was called things like "rookie” and “outgunned” by the national pundits, then again when they got “nothing” for Zach Randolph. However, in retrospect you can look back and see how well they outmaneuvered several other teams, how they were ahead of the curve. They hired Tom Penn as assistant GM last year, a CBA expert and a lawyer himself. I think they have an ace up their sleeve, but they aren’t showing it yet. When we look back at this email a year from now, we may be saying what a smart move it was. Or I could be completely wrong and it could be just a bush league move. We’ll know for sure next season I think."
This is similar to a comment I made earlier. I get a sense that this story isn’t over yet…that the Blazers do have a smoking gun somewhere (such as incriminating e-mails or doctor’s reports) and will reveal them at the appropriate time and thus prove the unprovable.
Larry (the new Johnnie Cochran) Miller: "If we get screwed, we're gonna sue"
by 92wastheyear on Jan 19, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We all know there may be a point in regards to the Miles thing
The rest of the article is just rantings of an obviously bitter/jealous/uninformed man.
I kind of dig it though, we’re the new ‘villians’ of the NBA. Too bad we’re patsies on the court.
Blazer Fan
by leeroyjenkins on Jan 19, 2009 9:24 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Current journalist thinking:
Drama=readership.
His article is drama. He also took the whole “life is black and white because that’s all the public can digest” school of thought and rammed it into his article too.
He has his soundbites, his drama, his black and white, and he’s taken a subject that could be interesting and which a lot of conversation can be derived from, and turned it into garbage BS that will receive lots of “air time” because people will agree with it or become ticked by it and either is good for business.
His points are somewhat lost by the blare of sound that is emanating from his posterior.
Dave, I like your write up, but I think your break down is too kind and gives him too much benefit of the doubt. Still, I appreciate the rationality and the work you do.
What sucks about all this is that accusations makes great sound bites, and so those sound bites and not the facts are what people will walk away remembering. The media in this country has serious issues. Thanks for not being part of it. that’s what makes your site worth reading.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Jan 19, 2009 11:05 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Here's my take...
I posted this earlier at O-Live in response to Canzano’s question, “did KP deserve to slammed by Woj?”
It smacks of a writer trying a little too hard. Maybe Woj is the one who is insecure? Maybe HE felt if he didn’t write something like this, the story and HE would fade into the background? It seems like he is overcompensating for something. The story of what actually happened would’ve been interesting on its own merits, but it’s like he didn’t trust that it would’ve been. So, he felt he had to twist and add to a story that didn’t really need to be “enhanced.”
Sure Pritchard and the Blazers are allowed to take a little heat for this. In truth all their decisions are open to scrutiny. That being said, Woj took it a way too far, by degrading Pritchard’s entire GM career with the Blazers and ulitmately Pritchard’s character as a man. Woj didn’t need to do that. But he did and it smacks of a writer trying to make more out of a story than there really was. So instead of the story being informative and interesting, it feels desperate and petty.
by JasonT on Jan 19, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Of course you know, this means war!
Now the fun part begins……How will Portland punish Memphis for this Griz’slap?
Revenge is a dish best served cold, and Vulcans never forget.
2-4 the who
by 24thewho on Jan 19, 2009 11:55 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
We've already punished them.
We unloaded Bonzi on them, remember?
by EngineerScotty on Jan 19, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You can BUZZ THIS DOWN
http://buzz.yahoo.com/article/1:y_sports:44a61e1d1e232b56aab6880075dbaf5b
Select “buzz down”.
It’s the least we can do to kill this story that shouldn’t even BE a story. What a hateful and unprofessional article!
by nthnbtr2do on Jan 19, 2009 11:56 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Fill Wojnarowski's email with wft?
Send him message asking what he was thinking. I’ll never be reading another column of his personally.
I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley
by Earl on Jan 19, 2009 12:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

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