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It's Done

For anyone who missed it last night Darius Miles played in his 10th game of the season, scoring 10 points and grabbing 7 rebounds in 14 minutes in the Grizzlies' 101-91 loss to the Utah Jazz.

The length of time he's playing and his production are taking the emotional "oomph" out of this story, leaving behind less indignation.  Frankly that's just fine with me.  Consider this post the last gasp for the topic unless and until something new and significant comes out.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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I'm so tired of talking about Darius

In fact, I think I’m going to refuse to comment in this thread. You won’t see hide nor hair of me here.

"What's that, some kind of hamburger?"
--Bo Outlaw on being asked how he felt about recording his first triple double.

by prezofdeath on Jan 17, 2009 11:18 AM PST reply actions  

not even one comment

"What's that, some kind of hamburger?"
--Bo Outlaw on being asked how he felt about recording his first triple double.

by prezofdeath on Jan 17, 2009 11:39 PM PST up reply actions  

never mind

i never was good at sarcasm

"What's that, some kind of hamburger?"
--Bo Outlaw on being asked how he felt about recording his first triple double.

by prezofdeath on Jan 17, 2009 11:40 PM PST up reply actions  

So's your face!

I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
God forgives, tominhawaii doesn't.

by tominhawaii on Jan 18, 2009 12:51 AM PST up reply actions  

is it your goal to run around and make little kids cry?

"What's that, some kind of hamburger?"
--Bo Outlaw on being asked how he felt about recording his first triple double.

by prezofdeath on Jan 18, 2009 10:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Nah

I try to avoid kids. They are evil.

I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
God forgives, tominhawaii doesn't.

by tominhawaii on Jan 19, 2009 1:55 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

They are evil.

Hey, we agree for once!

"What's that, some kind of hamburger?"
--Bo Outlaw on being asked how he felt about recording his first triple double.

by prezofdeath on Jan 20, 2009 2:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Here we are still together
We are one
So much time wasted
Playing games with love

How many times
Did we give up
But we always worked things out
And all my doubts and fears
Kept me wondering, yeah
If I’d always, always be in love

So many tears I’ve cried
So much pain inside
But baby It ain’t over ‘til it’s over
So many years we’ve tried
And kept our love alive
‘Cause baby it ain’t over ‘til it’s over

by Norsktroll on Jan 17, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

I suppose congrats are in order. Then on to other things.

He got his act together, made it back against big odds, and put up some good numbers against a good team.

So many players get hurt and “used up” before they even hit 30. It’s a tough business and redemption stories are good stories. For Miles, it appears it’s both a physical and a maturity turnaround.

by ofred on Jan 17, 2009 11:22 AM PST reply actions  

Yes -

Congrats Darius…

I think all this will work itself out in the end -

by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 17, 2009 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

It seems like Darius is playing pretty well

To come back like this without the support of an organization really speaks for Darius’ dedication to the game. I am really impressed with how he has performed on the basketball court and he looks like he can be a solid contributor in this league. Right now, I couldn’t be any happier for Darius. Congratulations!

If Darius’ comeback didn’t have a negative effect on our salary cap situation, this would be a great story for BEdgers to read about, unfortunately its been made into a circus. I blame the NBA’s ridiculous rules and the Blazer’s poor management of the situation.

by trailblazersfan on Jan 17, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions  

End of an era!

Good riddens! Pay, learn and move on.

Jerryd Bayless is our FUTURE!! PLEASE DON"T TRADE HIM - TRUST IN KP!! Oh - and please Buy an RV from me and support Blazermania!!!!

by Ripped City on Jan 17, 2009 11:29 AM PST reply actions  

Who Cares

It is only Paul Allen’s money. We just have to go with the horses we have. That ain’t bad.

by Balian on Jan 17, 2009 11:36 AM PST reply actions  

At this point

I’d much rather see him be a role player in the league a few years than him be done now that we’re on the hook. At least it takes the sting away.

I think this just really brings to mind that the new rule the NBA established does not represent a fair position for all involved parties. If the Blazers had a legitimate concern about a player’s future, a doctor appointed by the league validates those concerns by saying he’s unfit to play over the long term, the league allows us to take precautions because of this validated concern (medically retire him, eliminate his cap space). Now, we’re being bitten back by something a league approved doctor confirmed, simply because the player involved is partaking in activities that could have serious repercussions for his health in the long term. Obviously he can play right now, that was never the issue; what he’s doing is going to be very damaging to his body down the road and over the next several years. But yet…he has acknowledged these concerns, and proceeds despite them.

I know this new rule was established to prevent willie-nillie waiving of cap space, but this just swings too far the other way, and presents us with a brick-hard spot scenario where we’re damned if we do, damned if we don’t. The rule should be modified to not require a league approved doctor, as this would eliminate any sort of league involvement and implied approval of any medical retirement actions being taken by a team.

Sorry this is just a brain dump rant, argue if you so choose.

"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP

by Arby on Jan 17, 2009 11:37 AM PST reply actions  

NBA is a players league, always has been always will be. The way to not be “damned” is not to have signed him in the first place.

by Fundefined on Jan 17, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

The doctor isn't solely league approved

the doctor is jointly chosen by the league and the players association and I think that is an important facet to have as the medical retirement policies get reviewed. I think that getting a second opinion from another jointly approved doctor would be beneficial as would having the contract of any players that come back from a career ending injury count against the team for luxury tax purposes, but not against the salary cap.

by tingeyga on Jan 17, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

yeah can we make this the OFFICIAL last Darius thread?

Dave can all other fanshots/fanposts be banned or deleted if they talk about miles?

All except for one case=if somehow we are able to take this to arbitration and we can get him off our cap as we did everything to the letter. Only then would I want to hear another thing about Miles.

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Jan 17, 2009 11:58 AM PST reply actions  

what is there to discuss about a

backup SF? I have no problem talking about him in that respect but how many posts are we going to have about Joe Alexander, Jarvis Hayes or other backup SF?

"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08

by SpyderRyder on Jan 17, 2009 12:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we should get Jarvis Hayes

"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach

by jamon51 on Jan 17, 2009 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

congrats Darius

He’s come back this far. I’ll really be impressed if he turns out to be worth $9 mil a year.

The Blazers did everything right (except for the e-mail part). it will be interesting to see if Stern cuts them any salary cap slack. – Elgin

If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner

by 22baylor on Jan 17, 2009 12:12 PM PST reply actions  

Lame

I don’t want this subject to go away. All I can hope for now is a member of the Blazers organization to get arrested. I want some drama!

I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
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by tominhawaii on Jan 17, 2009 12:14 PM PST reply actions  

Nice line. Hell, that's better than the majority of Greg's games.

Remind me again how this ended up being declared career ending?

In KP I trust but he really really really botched this. Think about how we’d be looking with the $13 mill RLEC this year and the $9 mill DMEC next year, an expiring the summer before the 2010 free agency frenzy. I’m almost in disbelief that KP botched things this badly. Hubris, maybe?

by howlingfantods on Jan 17, 2009 12:26 PM PST reply actions  

"In KP I trust but he really really really botched this"

Is he a Doctor now? I didn’t know.

Larry (the new Johnnie Cochran) Miller: "If we get screwed, we're gonna sue"

by 92wastheyear on Jan 17, 2009 12:47 PM PST reply actions  

KP made the right decisions for the info he had.

Blazers doctors and the independent came to similar conclusions I thought. Just unlucky for us but good for him.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Jan 17, 2009 1:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Just from what I've read.

If I don’t have all the info , then I don’t have all the info. Some folks are happy some folks are mad. Not in our hands.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Jan 17, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

The only doctor who has gone on the record

are those hired by the league. Most doctors who have examined him can’t comment due to privacy laws and medical ethics; but given that a personnel decision was made by the NBA on the basis of the independent examination, we kinda know what it said. (We also have heard a few other things leaked out that aren’t on any official public record).

by EngineerScotty on Jan 17, 2009 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Good for Miles, bad for the Blazers

Hopefully Miles will be able to walk unassisted when he’s 40.

by torsoheap on Jan 17, 2009 1:01 PM PST reply actions  

Who cares?

With 20 something million in his pocket he can buy bionic legs.

Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.

by Khalid El-Amin on Jan 17, 2009 4:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Good for him

I don’t wish anything bad for Miles. But if he’s on somebody else’s roster he shouldn’t be on the Blazer’s cap. That’s what I think.

by Kaboomm on Jan 17, 2009 1:13 PM PST reply actions  

Welcome to the NBA...

Where bad contracts happen.

Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.

by Khalid El-Amin on Jan 17, 2009 4:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Thank god we are done with this...I hope

Movin on, and excited for the game today.

"Every time Troutlaw touches the ball, I pop an anti-anxiety pill."

by DaNoose on Jan 17, 2009 1:15 PM PST reply actions  

I was going to be concerned about Darius' recent production

wondering why he’s rehabbing now—and apparently on his way to becoming a useful NBA player; and why couldn’t he have done this in Portland. Perhaps the day he called Mo Cheeks a you-know-what, the door here was slammed, but many of us—including Nate, from what I recall—were willing to give him a chance. But he never took that chance.

So the fact that he might yet become an NBA player, and is doing so on our dime for some other team, started to bother me somewhat.

Then I remembered. He’s playing for a contract. Right now he’s still on a 10-day; though given his numbers it will look fishy if he doesn’t play in Memphis for at least a little while longer—but he’s playing for a bigger payday, because the $ from Paul Allen runs out in a year and a half. (If he does sign for any deal above NBA minimum wage, the Blazers’ cost is reduced by half the difference between his deal and the NBA minimum; since he’s playing for minimum right now, that reduction is zero).

The interesting question is: Will Darius manage to get a long(er) term deal after this season is up? He’s still young (27ish), can kick but when he wants to, etc. There’s been suggestions in the media that his knee has managed to heal, though no definitive reports from anyone on the record. While I doubt no sensible GM will sign him (beyond 10 games; as the “screw Portland” shtick works for next year as well)—the league is full of GMs who are less then sensible. So I suspect we haven’t heard the last of Darius.

by EngineerScotty on Jan 17, 2009 1:26 PM PST reply actions  

He may not even get a deal through this season

He’s still on a 10-day from Memphis. They can just release him if they want.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 17, 2009 1:36 PM PST up reply actions  

I think they actually can use him

Their only decent backup for the three and four is Hakim Warrick. That’s a little thin. Unless they can acquire Joe Alexander in the Mike Conley for Ramon Sessions deal proposed to the Bucks, it looks pretty likely they will keep him this season for ca. $500K.

by Norsktroll on Jan 17, 2009 1:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Hello!

Bienvenue!

Guten Tag!

Bonjour!

Splurd.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 17, 2009 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Splurd?... splurd to you as well

As a major lurker on this site i find it necessary to make my presence known every once in a while. Thus, i said hi. One day i may even work up the courage to write a fanpost. Thanks for everything.

by Croatian_Sensation on Jan 17, 2009 2:11 PM PST up reply actions  

You think they will?

He’s putting up numbers—granted, in garbage time for a bad team—that would make it look might suspicious were they to just let him go.

It could be, of course, that Memphis has zero interest in Darius, beyond making Portland a taxpayer (or trying to).

But if Darius gets his last two games, plays decently—and is then cut (or not renewed)…. then things start to look suspicious. If it becomes blatantly obvious that this is what’s up, then what?

One of the disturbing things about the whole saga is the number of media folks out there who think that even if it were the case that Memphis has no interest in Darius other than affecting the Blazers cap and salary situation—that this is OK; that all’s fair in the NBA. OTOH, if Darius were an ex-Laker…. how would we feel?

by EngineerScotty on Jan 17, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I would guess they'll look at keeping him

but they don’t have to. They must decide by the end of the second 10-day, of course.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 17, 2009 1:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Dude. Why on earth should Portland get a benefit

for claiming that D Miles had a career ending injury when it’s perfectly and absolutely obvious to everyone that he can still play the game of basketball? Stop making it out like we’re the victims here, we were the villains of the piece.

Yeah he was a somewhat problematic employee, but he got injured doing his job, we played mindgames with him while he was rehabbing, acquired questionable medical opinion to back up our position to save us a few mill, leaked confidential and negative information about him, and threatened all potential employers with a lawsuit.

Also, this is obviously small sample size but the dude has a 29 PER in his 40 minutes of play. He’s had some nice blocks, he’s boarding and scoring efficiently. And he can be gotten for minimums for the rest of the year. He’ll be employed the rest of the season, no problem.

by howlingfantods on Jan 17, 2009 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Let me ask you a question...

Suppose the Blazers, or Miles, applied for medical retirement, and the answer was no:

What would you do next with Darius? Assume that he will not accept a buyout.

a) Keep him on the roster, ala Raef or some other stiff, as a Contract That Can Be Traded Later?
b) Keep him on the roster, and continue to encourage to rehab in the hopes he can play.
c) Cut him outright.

If your answer is C, then you have a point—the net effect of the retirement + comeback is the same (salary on books, and no way to move it) as if Miles were simply waived. If, OTOH, you think the contract would have been worth something, the Blazers arguably would have been better off with Darius still on the team, or at least under contract.

Obviously, the Blazers were not willing to cut him outright—and I can’t blame them.

by EngineerScotty on Jan 17, 2009 6:05 PM PST up reply actions  

He was rehabing.

A few weeks before the Blazers sent him packing he was running, jumping, dunking and playing in practices. It’s not a miracle. He had worked his way back up to game shape and the Blazers were terrified of having a healthy(ish) Darius Miles sitting on the bench taking away cap space. No one had ever come back from medical retirement before so it seemed like a pretty good bet at the time.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 17, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions  

That don't make sense...

A healthy Darius, with a contract ending in two years, would be a valuable trade asset.

Heck, we’ve had Raef on the books for three years, and even last year his contract was somewhat desirable.

It isn’t as if Shavlik Randolph or Ike Diogu would be terribly missed…

by EngineerScotty on Jan 17, 2009 2:35 PM PST up reply actions  

A medically retired Darius

and 18 millionioff the books would be a bigger asset then a expiring contract. Its about money.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 17, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

In my book

Darius Miles is the comeback player of the year.

I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
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by tominhawaii on Jan 17, 2009 2:24 PM PST reply actions  

Who has the higher BBIQ?

I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
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by tominhawaii on Jan 17, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Outlaw has higher BBIQ

then Miles.

OTOH, Outlaw foolishly believes that players under contract have an obligation to get sweaty.

by EngineerScotty on Jan 17, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

10 and 7 in 14 minutes?

Blazers’ Brain Trust: “Whoops!”

"Now with a non-provocative footer!"

by timbo on Jan 17, 2009 4:27 PM PST reply actions  

Call me a fair weather fan, but I (as somebody who lives nowhere remotely near an NBA team) switched from being a Dallas fan because of anger at the Devin Harris-Jason Kidd trade and being tired of Mark Cuban’s shenanigans. How should I feel about this situation? It feels ethically and morally wrong to me (the email, that is). I wish nothing but the best for Darius. Of course, I’m not going to abandon the Blazers – I’ve grown to love them. It’s just that this takes sort of my justification away.

by Dan Holmes on Jan 17, 2009 4:28 PM PST reply actions  

You can dislike the management of a team...

But still be a fan of the team and it’s players. There is nothing wrong with that at all, in fact I’d guess it’s the prevailing sentiment of most NBA fans outside of Portland already.

Nocioni has an Olympic gold medal, a bronze medal and a EuroLeague MVP, and now… His legs are broken! Coming to an arena near you.

by Khalid El-Amin on Jan 17, 2009 4:55 PM PST up reply actions  

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