Trade Drawer: SF edition
by blackandwite323 on Jan 17, 2009 1:08 PM PST
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PrintOkay, the dead horse has been beaten about how the blazers need to improve at the 1 and the 3, so I won't go into that. Now that we have determined what we need, targets should be established. At the three the best targets seem to be second teir players aka. not LeBron, Granger, Melo, and to some extent Durant
After the first teir there are still some solid players out there for the blazers to aquire; Gerald Wallace, Caron Butler, Jeff Green, Wilson Chandler, Loul Deng, Brandon Wright, Julian Wright, Rudy Gay, Trevor Ariza, and Ron Artest
It is also difficult to determine who we would be willing to give up in order to obtain a high-caliber starting 3. IMHO the untouchables are; Roy, Aldridge, Oden, Bayless, Pryzbilla, Webster(Until he plays this year), and Batum. The players who I would like to keep but also may be able to net us a good player are; Fernandez, Outlaw, Blake(value?), Sergio. Throw ins; Frye, Diougu, Randolph And finally the major piece in most moves for a big name; LaFrentz.
Here are rough offers for each player
Loul Deng + Drew Gooden - This trade would involve giving up our biggest bargining chips; Rudy, Travis, RLEC. In return we get a starting SF and a solid backup 4, two areas of weakness. It also gives bayless a little more time on the court, problem would be having 4 backup PF's. Starters:Blake-Roy-Deng-Aldridge-Oden Backup Bayless-Webster-Batum-Gooden-Pryzbilla. This could be followed by Diougu+Frye for a combo guard
Caron Butler - Although this specific trade is very unlikely the concept is there, trade a salary dump for a 3 that fits well within the system and plays great defense, we would definitely have to give up some talent to push this through, draftpicks +travis/rudy/both and maybe sergio. Starters: Blake-Roy-Butler-Aldridge-Oden Backup Bayless-Fernandez/Webster-Webster/Batum-Batum/Songalia-Pryzbilla
Wilson Chandler + David Lee - This trade would clear a logjam for us at the 4 by consolidating talent in David Lee, it would also give us a viable option at the 3 with Wilson Chandler, another young talented player who would add to our nucleous, New York would do this to dump Starbury on us, and take some of that salary and push it to 2010 with lebron, yet they also get some off this year, none of the contracts they would recieve run past 2010. Starters: Blake-Roy-Chandler/Webster-Aldridge-Oden Backup Bayless-Fernandez/Webster-Batum/Webster/Chandler/Lee/Pryzbilla
Jeff Green + Nick Collison - This trade is about equal in talent, just depends where you want it. We give up the spanish connection + travis, we get an upgraded 3 and a tough backup 4, we also keep RLEC. Starters: Blake-Roy-Green-Aldridge-Oden Backup: Bayless-Webster-Batum-Collison-Pryzbilla. This lineup is versatile with Bayless able to back up the 1 and 2 Webster the 2 and 3 Batum 2, 3, possibly 4, and Collison the 4 and the 5.
Gerald Wallace - This trade puts all of our eggs in one basket at SF, yet still allows Batum to develop, and still has an explosive second unit, the main problem would be getting Bayless some PT. We could end up playing small ball with the second unit. Starters: Blake-Roy-Wallace-Aldridge-Oden Backup: Felton/Bayless-Bayless/Fernandez-Fernandez/Batum-Batum/Diougu-Pryzbilla. This improves our starters slightly defensively and alot offensively. The second unit is now alot better at getting in the lane and drawing fouls, still with Pryz grabbing boards and keeping the inside D solid. At the end of the season one of Blake/Felton could be resigned depending on Bayless' development.
Brandon Wright - Giving up outlaw for Wright is a risk, production for potential,we also give up sergio getting Azubuike in return. Wright can score, rebound, and block shots, yet he doesn't have three point range. Starters: Blake-Roy-Wright-Aldridge-Oden Backup: Bayless-Fernandez-Batum/Webster-Diogu/Frye-Pryzbilla
Julian Wright + Rasual Butler - Just like for Brandon, giving up Outlaw for Julian is a risk, yet here the kicker is better. Rasual Butler is shooting 43% from 3 so we get two options for one at the 3. Biggest problem would be that we still have log jams at the 3 and 1. Starters: Blake-Roy-Wright/Butler-Aldridge-Oden Backup: Bayless/Rodriguez-Fernandez-Webster/Batum/Wright/Butler-Diogu/Frye-Pryzbilla. This trade may create more questions than answers.
Rudy Gay + Mike Conley - This is probably my favorite trade so far, we do give up our primary bench scorers but I think overall it improves the team. Rudy Gay is a terrific player but that is OJ Mayo's team now, Rudy could be the sixth man and Travis could start at either the 3 or the 4. As for the blazers we lose the spanish connection but we gain the ohio state connection, this also allows more flexibility with bayless and batum. Starters: Blake-Roy-Gay-Aldridge-Oden Backup: Conley-Bayless-Batum-Arthur-Pryzbilla this brings alot of the same score alot of points fast mentality with the second unit and brings another player on offense for the first unit, less playing 4 on 5 out there.
Trevor Ariza - We swap seventh men with the l*kers, Unfortunately we give up rudy, but we bring in a solid defender, although he is not a great three-point shooter. The L*kers need some more backcourt help since they are very thin. Starters Blake-Roy-Ariza-Aldridge-Oden Backup: Sergio-Bayless-Batum-Outlaw-Pryzbilla
Ron Artest - This is a case of giving up offense for defense at the 3 and a tenacious rebounder at the 4. The main drawback is Ron Artests' personality/image issues. Starters: Blake-Roy-Artest-Aldridge-Oden Backup: Bayless-Fernandez-Batum-Dorsey-Pryzbilla
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Przybilla as untouchable is a main reason these trades won't happen
If we refuse to trade a back-up center for a starting forward, that probably means it won’t happen.
That being said, I think Ariza or Wallace would be good options. The NYK trade could be good too. But you’ll have to give up Blake or Przybilla or both.
Trevor Ariza is great.
He is also going to be a free agent although a restricted one.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 17, 2009 1:25 PM PST reply actions
You forgot Iguodala, he's 24 years old.
With the emergence of Thad Young, Iggy could be on the way out. There has been much chatter in Philly about how both players cannot exist on the same team because both should be getting close to 40 minutes a game and both are true SF’s.
Thad is the SF for their future, remember that Brand will be there for a long time. Iggy is not a SG at all, nor is Thad.
But they do need a premier 2 guard. We don’t have a SG that would be attractive to them (Roy is going nowhere.), but this is how RLEC could be used.
Milwaukee…anyone? Losing money hand over fist and could be looking to lose Redd’s contract.
I wish I saved the quote from last week. Milwaukee’s SF Richard Jefferson said something to the extent of, he knows that the likelihood of him being the odd man out in Milwaukee is real, with the team losing so much money. His contract is 13 mil or so. I’m thinking that Redd may be the one to go (15.7 mil).
BYC makes it a pain to brinh him in though
"Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. They are working the rest of the league like a speed bag." - Bill Simmons 6/26/08
I like the Caron Butler trade.
We would basically be giving up nothing to get the best player on the wizards (imo)
The only thing that scares me is..
the 3pt% of Butler, Iguodala, Deng and Wallace.
Outlaw was quoted last week. “In my book, three don’t do nothing but stand in the corner,” said Outlaw. “I’m so used to playing at the four, where I’d always touch it. I’d at least touch it once every trip down the floor. But at the three, you stay spaced and hope your defender helps. My man ain’t been helping too much lately, but you hope your man helps.”
Seems like Butler and Iggy would hate to be used this way in an offense. Would Nate change the offense if one of these players came to town?
check out the story in cnn/si to see how lousy mike miller is
yes, they’re dissatisfied with him in minnesota. he passes up open shots, then when he does shoot he misses. hes a stiff.
ignacio
I am NOT a fan of Mike Miller
but I tend to think that his career stats should be looked at a little more closely. I saw on them talking about him on NBATV last night. I think it was the Czar, Webber and Snow on the show. Each agreed that they are not using him correctly in Minn.
Who is the starting PG next year?
If it still is Blake, or a similar player (Kirk Hinrich), then a 3 who can break down a defense makes more sense that spot-up-shooters like we’ve had over the years (Udoka, JJ44, Webster, Batum for now).
If, on the other hand, Bayless starts starting… then I’d rather have a guy who can wait for the ball and drill it when it comes, but doesn’t complain so much when he doesn’t get it.
I want Walllace. I want Wallace.
For a long time. Especially after this game where he did it all on both ends of the floor. A month ago Charlotte made him available. If he still is, get it done KP. Travis, Channing, picks, whatever. Just not the big three and Rudy.
I want Wallace too
Outlaw couldn’t guard a parapalegic if his life depended on it.
Guys that are expendable: Raef, Outlaw, Channing, Ike, Sergio.
Get it done, KP, get it done.
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 17, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he looked good didn't he?
And yet he’s not a good outside shooter. I wonder if the shooting-obsessed portland fans walk around in circles robotically chanting “does not compute… does not compute” when they see the kind of havoc a good slasher can create in the offensive half court set.
My mancrush on GW just keeps going up. My tivo’s set up by default to record blazers as top priority, then cavs, celts, lakers, and bobcats. One of these things is not like the other, but I love watching this guy play.
by howlingfantods on Jan 17, 2009 7:12 PM PST up reply actions
so basically
discard Outlaw, Sergio, Frye and Blake… and pick up Jefferson and Sessions?
by Bust a Bucket on Jan 17, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions
Of all those pllayers
Butler and Artest are by far the biggest and most reliable performers. You pick which one gets the nod. They say Butler is a good character guy and that’s fine but I’ve watched Artest a lot and he’s got something special on the court. Both are in their prime and barring injuries can give 5 years of top tier play. Not considering character issues which we don’t really know about anyway it may be easier/cheaper to get Artest.
outlaw is a Blazer
thank you. he is going nowhere. give up and waste your time on other options. It is senseless that all this chatter continues, since he is clearly NOT on the block. Once we are healthy he will be our steady sixth man, and he will become more consistent. I know he’s already been a pro for five years and all that, but the kid is still 24 years old.
The last play of the OT should have gone to him, but Sergio will only pass to Rudy in clutch situations. The biggest issue for us is for our stars to know how to keep themselves healthy and on the floor. How many games do Labron, Kobe, CP3,superman, and co. miss? or at least when it counts? not many…
it will come.
don’t you people like having a 6-8 player who can out-jump anyone in the league?
patience
patience
patience
patience is correct
but i suspect that the final play was a drawn up play by nate that may not have been executed properly. i don’t think sergio was improvising or going against the drawn play just to give rudy the ball. he already has a short leash and i doubt he’d go against nate like that.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 17, 2009 10:05 PM PST up reply actions
"You People"
Are those the senseless, time wasting, chattering, impatient people you describe? Or are they just people who have a different view of things? Well?
substance
dear oregonslee,
sorry I wasn’t clear in my first post.
I clearly like are chances much more with Traivs and Martell then our chances with Butler or Artest.
that is my opinion
you are entitled to your view and i will burn my Jerome Kersey Jersey when Ron Artest is a Trail Blazer.
simply put
won’t happen
We wouldn't want that
but it will help to keep an open view. While we can’t know for sure, it’s a safe bet that a deal will soon be made involving players we all love and maybe one or two we don’t love. If it turns out to be Artest, try it with salt.
Mostly a muddle.
I find it impossible to respond to most trade posts. On one hand I realize that our current personnel have limitations. Blindly rejecting all efforts to improve the roster seems foolish.
On the other hand, this kind of laundry list approach to making trades makes me crazy:
1) We need to prioritize what type of player this team needs to get better. This is not fantasy league. We are not just collecting player stats and aggregating them. We are building a team. To me, our greatest need it as the defensive end. The Blazers are top three in offensive efficiency and twentieth in defensive efficiency. Our perimeter defense remains very sketchy.
2) Our positions of weakness are also the positions where we have multiple young talents who may grow into the very players we seek. At PG, both Sergio and Bayless have real promise although neither has anywhere near a complete game at the moment. At SF, we have three talented young players Batum, Webster, and Outlaw. What we need depends on what we think we have, or will have, when these guys hit their prime in 1-5 years.
3) In finance there is discussion of the “future value of money,” I would suggest that we need to think about the future value of all our young players. Many trade proposals involve trading multiple young players for one older more established star. There may be short term improvement, but at what long term cost? Older players are often over-valued, it is extremely difficult to know when an older player’s productivity will begin to slide.
4) There is a huge “fantasy” aspect to many of the trade proposals put forth on this board. Is the other team even interested in moving the player we are targeting? What do they perceive as the needs of their own team and which of our players are of real interest to them? Until basic interest is established, there is really nothing to talk about. We are all groping in the dark.
So, I will continue to read occasional trade posts, even though I think most are a waste of time. I will offer two final bits of advise: 1) be patient, our time is not yet here, think ahead a couple of years; 2) trust KP, he has done a magnificent job of building this roster, and shown himself to be an outstanding evaluator of talent.
by upper left corner on Jan 18, 2009 8:46 AM PST reply actions
The answer is Danilo Gallinari
GET THE DEAL DONE KP!
I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
Please don't feed the trolls.
God forgives, tominhawaii doesn't.
Has anyone actually seen this guy play?
Not me but he’s a total teeny-bobber. He must be deep in the throes of home sickness by now. If Dantoni’s looking for shooters that doesn’t leave Sergio out of the picture. Since they don’t play defense that puts him in the picture. That also puts Travis right in the middle of the picture, good shooter w/ speed and limited defense. Same for Fry, fine shooter, good speed, afterthoughts on defense. Go for it Pritch, give Dantoni some speed, shooters and moola and bring that David Lee kid on home. Too bad Sergio doesn’t speak Italian. Maybe Fry does.
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