Jason Quick Ethers MSP, Feels the Heat
I hope you saw this -- I don't know how you could have missed it -- in the opening of Jason Quick's story last night about the long-standing Alien vs. Predator debate.
As it turned out, the Rodriguez-for-Robinson "deal" was nothing but a hoax, conjured up by talk radio that is too lazy to pick up a phone and determine what is real and what is not.
Whoa. Chad In Portland and Jay Allen -- you just got served.
That sentence easily could have ended with the words "talk radio." But it didn't.
Feisty. I love it.
What's interesting is the timing of Quick's admonishment, as Quick has been feeling the heat himself, criticized by many of you as well as commenters on his blog, for a perceived lack of coverage of the Darius Miles story. Earlier this week, the Portland Mercury included his name in a blog post criticizing the Oregonian on that subject.
So given this news-worthy situation, why the deafening silence from the Oregonian? It's not a secret that our lone daily paper is firmly in bed with the Blazers franchise, and their coverage is usually excellent (Jason Quick is one of the premier beat writers in the NBA, blogger Sean Meagher is a lot of fun to read, and John Canzano is, well, the worst writer this side of Mitch Albom), but are they too close to the team? The paper is first on the scene when the news is good-the team drafting Oden, etc.-but when things go sour like they have in the past week, national outlets like Sports Illustrated, ESPN, and Yahoo Sports broke the stories long before the O.
(To clarify one thing in that passage: Sean is an employee of Oregonlive and not the Oregonian, and if you check the records he has diligently provided Miles updates on the Oregonlive Blazers Blog throughout the story's development.)
While Darius has been one of the top NBA stories nationally for the last 8-10 days and while Joe Freeman, John Canzano and Ryan White have all mentioned Darius Miles on their blogs recently, I searched for awhile and simply couldn't find a blog entry or a story mentioning Darius from Quick in... weeks? months? Of course, there was this story back in July. Maybe someone can find one more recent than that?
Sophomoric sidenote: while testing out Google, I came across this humorous result: typing in "jason quick darius miles" results in the second entry, "Story Not Found - Oregonlive.com."
It's no secret that I am a professed Jason Quick fanboy and there is no doubt in my mind that he's completely sick of this story. I haven't spoken to a single person that covers the team that isn't completely sick of the story. Quick is scheduled to chat with Sean Meagher today at 1PM over at Oregonlive. Given the circumstances, this is must-listen podcasting.
-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)
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Lost
Like I’m wondering where the island is on Lost, I’m wondering where Quick’s objectivity is, too. A worm-hole maybe? If only he had a frozen donky wheel.
Is there a need for Quick to cover the Miles story ...
… if someone else is covering it for the paper?
hakkaa päälle !
If quick has no inside information that he can share
then what’s the point apart from rehashing.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
I couldn't decide between two answers to that.
1. That’s never stopped him before.
And
2. If he can’t write anything insightful without having inside information, he needs to look for a new job.
Pick your favorite and run with it. :)
That's my opinion too
Joe Freeman had an article on Saturday, Geoffrey Arnold had an interesting piece on Tuesday (can’t find it at O-Live, however), and there have been short updates throughout the week.
Sure, I’d like to hear Quick’s opinion on the whole mess, but I understand why he’s not writing up anything. Besides, he earned major points from me with that “too lazy” line this morning.
Interesting point on quick
he may be sick of the story, but there is a story that that should be addressed. My hope is that he’s not spilling the beans because he’s storing up a longer more detailed story. It may also be that he has no further information than what’s already been reported, but in that case I’d hope for a summary and a “no comment at this time” from the blazer staff.
The Oregonian and Blazers feuded, not that long ago. I’m not going to knock them when they show a little love or give management a little room because they’ve shown that they’ve earned that.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
I hate quick, Cant stand him, Would love to se him fired,
interpret how you will
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
ummm
you hate quick?
Care to share why? The guy is knowledgeable to the extreme and has the inside scoop. He’s also a pretty cool guy. I can understand the argument of “he’s too close” or “puts himself into the story too much.” but I could also argue the benefits of that as well. Still, hate is a strong word. Why so passionate about it?
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
I would trade Dave for quick in a heartbeat
i simply do not trust jason as a filter to my team. i do not trust him to not try and create something out of nothing, and i do not trust him to keep things in proper perspective. i understand that some people actually like his perspective, and thats on them, just as my decision is on me, but i do not trust his perspective.
as to beeing knowledgeable to the extreme with thte inside scoop, that comes with having the job, or at least should. No points their, couse its not the man, but rather the position.
as to being a “pretty cool guy”, i dont know, as ive never partied with him. but he looks like a self important db with that toilet flushed hair of his. any ways, ive known some real trash bags that moved through the world under the mantle of “pretty cool guy” so again no points from me.
Still, hate is a strong word. Why so passionate about it?
theres the rub, i basikly dont hate anyone, but he really drags it out in me.
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 15, 2009 11:46 AM PST up reply actions
You're pretty far off
but to each his own.
by Lance Uppercut on Jan 15, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
hes underwhelming
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 15, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
Greg HAD been underwhelming
based on the hype. Frankly I thought quick had some round objectsin his package to state that.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
he did, in a way
imo, Balls and stupidity can be often confused. but if quick is gonna buy the same hype that all the rest of us buy, then what do i need him for? i want someone a little more grown up, with a more mature perspective, someone thats not expecting a HOF performance. and again, just becouse quick had the same reaction as the most common fan, duz not give him a pass in my book. im pretty new to watching basketball as indepthly as ive been, and even i was aware that greg shouldnt have been expected to preform at the highest levals right away.
i want the person that holds quicks position to be trustworthy to further advance my perspective, to have a deaper perspective, not a less mature on with more access.
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 15, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
holding someone’s hairstyle against them is probably not necessary.
by Ben Golliver on Jan 15, 2009 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
thats true, my bad
maybe im just jealous cuz im losing mine.
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 15, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
Slip of the keyboard.
I meant new berber. I need to replace my carpets and I was going to ask you for an estimate.
hakkaa päälle !
im trying, i realize that its rude to not at least give it a try
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 15, 2009 12:34 PM PST up reply actions
If you want to make it easier on yourself
just use mozilla.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
yeah, but mozilla wont let me use the z key feature,
That’s kind of a killer for me, but I just Googled free online spellchecker and got this.
http://www.thesolutioncafe.com/public-spell-checker.html
I’ll open this and the BEdge simultaneously. Side not, turns out that Googled isn’t a word yet.
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
side note, spellcheckers suck
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
huh
I use Mozilla and can tab with the z. Every once in a while I have a problem with it though, and it doesn’t tab down, and just marks comments as read, I don’t know why though.
From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.
Quick is the best
But it’s curious how that paper has barely covered this issue, especially from their best reporter. Makes you think that is other outlets never wrote about Miles, the Oregonian would have not even bothered.
Loved that Quick, a credible journalist, smacked "La Familia" up.
Day one of MSP boycott was bliss. Listened to five minutes of Cowherd before I was forced to turn on a CD. Less stress I noticed.
Catalina-Wine-Mixer.
you still listen to cowherd?? and your calling me stupid???
LOLOLOLOL
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 15, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions
yes
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 15, 2009 11:50 AM PST up reply actions
and for the record, i dont think your stupid either
the difference is that i wouldnt call you that just becouse we disagree.
Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 15, 2009 11:51 AM PST up reply actions
Curious
about the relationship between O-Live and the Oregonian. I know they are owned by the same company, but are separate entities. But how separate? Quick, Freeman and others have their stories appear in both media. O-Live has some unique things (like Meagher, though he doesn’t write stories as such just rewrites press releases, links to online stories all over and mods the blog.) It seems to me that things have changed because I don’t recall “Beyond the Blazer Beat” being only the same stories as in the print edition, but I don’t recall anything unique there recently. I know there are changes in the Oregonian as Mike Tokito is now writing about college basketball. When he was taken off the Blazer beat he covered golf, but I think that is one of the things the print edition has cut back on. (And I haven’t looked to see the O-Live golf coverage.)
I would like to see a flow chart or something that would show what stories/writers appear in both media – and if this is a handshake agreement or is it all in print somewhere.
Perhaps Quick was left out of the Miles’ loop by the editors who assign stories. It may not have been his decision.
"Complaining does not work as a strategy. We all have finite time and energy. Any time we spend whining is unlikely to help us achieve our goals. And it won't make us happier." - Randy Pausch.
Quick would have had a difficult time breaking the story
Most of the information about the Miles situation was leaked by GM’s and owners of other teams. They would have no reason to go to the Blazers beat writer, but would rather go to a national audience.
Most of Quick’s scoops have to do with the team, and part of getting those scoops is by being close to the team. I would prefer to let Canzano make a fool of himself and be the enemy of the team, then make the entire Oregonian staff have a difficult relationship with the team.
We are lucky to have such great coverage from a truly talented beat writer in Mr Quick.
Quick's lack of coverage doesn't bother me
He’s entrenched and, if anything, would be kept in the dark by the team. In some ways he’s too close to see the big picture and consequently, developments like Darius-gate. I’ll sacrifice that for his locker room coverage and all around knowledge though.
Catalina-Wine-Mixer.
John Canzano is, well, the worst writer this side of Mitch Albom),
Mitch Albom is great. I can see why Mercury Girl doesn’t like him, but he’s great.
Canzano, on the other hand, is not very good. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
Personally, I loathe the vapid, insipid pap that sports columnists like Mitch Albom and Rick Reilly ...
pass off as human interest pieces. Yet, I’m not an altogether cynical guy, for I’ve shed a few tears while watching some of Tom Rinaldi’s more heartwarming and heartwrenching reports on Outside the Lines.
Great photo
No one at the Merc can figure out that OregonLive and the Oregonian are two separate entities.
Ezra is the best and only thing the Merc has going. Really enjoy his work.
by Lance Uppercut on Jan 15, 2009 11:45 AM PST reply actions
aww yeah someone was dancing behind the camera trying to cut them up when it was taken as i recall
by Ben Golliver on Jan 15, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions
If you look at any of The Oregonian’s sister papers (ie—owned by Newhouse) like the Times Picayune (nolalive.com) you can see the branding going on there. It’s all very streamlined, albeit dysfunctional and glitchy, so they can bounce from site to site and share info freely. They definitely don’t do a good job of separating the two entities in the eyes of the public though…
Catalina-Wine-Mixer.
Interesting
If you go to MLive.com, it has content from 6 or 8 Michigan newspapers. Though the home page is Detroit-oriented, you can decide whether you want specific local editions, like the Grand Rapids Press, Kalamazoo Gazette, etc. It’s much clearer (to me at least) that the print newspapers are separate from the on-line service.
Just legally, or do they not even share resources?
In that case, I would prefer to be employed by OregonLive though the Oregonian probably has more cash – for now ;-)
Seperate buildings, seperate budgets, etc.
They’re very separate. Speaking from experience I can say that there are a lot of coordinated efforts in the newsroom, especially in sports. It’s mainly through email and phone, so it’s not like the two entities meet up ever. Then again that could have changed.
I’d rather be at OLive—I don’t think they’re making the budget cuts that The O has to make.
Catalina-Wine-Mixer.
Mitch Albom is great?
What is so great about fabricating articles about games you never attended? http://www.usatoday.com/life/columnist/mediamix/2005-04-13-media-mix_x.htm
I kind've forgot about that...
Great? Um, we can probably rescind that… I enjoyed a lot of his stuff though.
Catalina-Wine-Mixer.
+1 to Jason Quick from me
I like that fiestiness,
I’m glad he’s considered to be “in bed” with the Blazers,
and I’m happy he isn’t trying to earn media points off of the Miles thing.
".. is gumby an alien?"
It's always fun when CIP gets punked
I’m sure he’s got tears running down his face as he reads this
ポートランド・トレイルブレイザーズ & 南カルフォルニア大学 トロージャンズ Fan
by Sexual Tyrannosaurus on Jan 15, 2009 1:01 PM PST reply actions
Anytime the MSP boys get punked, it's a good thing
Does anyone willingly listen to these chumps? I used to for about a week, then I realized they were serious with their ground and pound nonsense.
But being honest is all I do well.....
Today I broke up with them for good.
From now on I’ll listen to CDs or try out Cowherd a little bit. I have sirius but don’t have a car adapter, so maybe I’ll work on that.
I just can’t handle the rampant douche baggery any longer.
Catalina-Wine-Mixer.
Interesting
that he decries talk radio when he’s not on it venting his personal feelings about how he is treated by members of the team. I agree with him that this was pure lazy, crappy, sports talk radio per usual, but it’s not like he hasn’t used it as an outlet for stuff himself.
Chat was fairly interesting, albeit Quick said he doesn't want to write on Miles he did quite candidly reveal what he thinks
Do you want to write an update on that Ben?

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