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Our early game plan (now with numbers!)

In case you all hadn't noticed, we have started the last 3 games god awfully, to much worse teams, and tonight we were not able to make up for it.

Now I am not one to panic after a bad game or two, even after a horrible game tonight, but I think our approach to offense in the first quarter may need shaking up.

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Our current plan is to go inside first, to LMA and Oden. I am not an Oden hater, but he does not quite have his offensive moves down pat, I think we can all agree on that. Now Oden is not costing us games, not at all, but he is probably costing us a few extra possessions each first quarter, whether it is from a missed shot, a travel, a turnover or one of those pesky 3-in the keys that he seems to pick up all the time.

LMA usually seems to start a little cold and then get in a rhythm and he is fine. I think these early touches are an important part of LMA having a good game....and that is the reason why I think we need to change up our early game focus.

Roy needs more early looks at the basket, he too seems to start fairly slow, missing a good chunk of his early shots before he gets it together. This seems natural for him and LA to need a few shots under their belt (all though these crappy teams we keep playing seem to hit atleast 80% of their early shots). I think we need to get Roy driving, or taking jumpers more in the first quarter so he can start scoring in the first quarter to keep us close with the opponents. He doesn't need to score much more throughtout the game, but keeping close early on changes the whole dynamic, playing catch-up is no fun.

 

Here are some #'s I found

Roy pts on the year by quarter

1/2/3/4

5.2/5.0/5.5/7.5

 

This seems to prove me wrong and just show that Roy is a 4th quarter machine (4th in NBA in 4th quarter points)

 

 

I was trying to find a site that had stats broken down by quarter and could not, so maybe my thinking is way off. But our first quarter obviously has not been working of late.

Obviously establishing an inside game is important as well to keep defenders honest, but I don't see why we have to try to stuff that all into the first 5 minutes.

Poll
How should we start games?
Feed Roy more
16 votes
Keep feeding Oden a lot
21 votes
Start Shav
5 votes

42 votes | Poll has closed

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by pklym on Jan 15, 2009 12:12 AM PST reply actions  

The team needs to make more shots when they take them.

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by tominhawaii on Jan 15, 2009 3:00 AM PST reply actions  

I think

last nights slow start was from not going into LMA and Oden enough in the first qtr. Oden had 3 shots all game long, and about 5 touches altogether, while LMA had maybe 4 points in the 1st qtr? The turnovers cost us that game, not the game plan, and many of them were unforced stupid turnovers like Roy’s pass off of LMA’s head, or Outlaw’s bad post entry passes that get picked off. (seriously why is Outlaw the guy picked to complete the post entry pass when both Blake and Roy are on the court?)

This team still does well when we can execute our offense without major defensive pressure, but they still don’t know what to do when a team over plays them in the post, no back cuts, no lobs to the rim, no lane picks to free a man up, just trying to muscle into post position, and by the time they do, they are 18+ feet from the basket.

by usmcr3049 on Jan 15, 2009 7:25 AM PST reply actions  

good points, in retrospect I think it was Roy with 4 turnovers in the first quarter….

by pklym on Jan 15, 2009 12:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I was going to make this an option in the poll, but instead I figure we have been getting him good touches early (most the time) and should probably keep doing it regardless of if we hit Roy up more or not.

by pklym on Jan 15, 2009 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

ROY

Get Roy the ball early and get him into rythem. He can make things happen for the entire team and opens the game up..
Force Feeding Aldridge and Oden just slows us down and makes everyone stand around and watch them.

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by Jack Burton on Jan 15, 2009 11:43 AM PST reply actions  

Start Shav

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by 22baylor on Jan 15, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions  

I'd like to see a stat about what percentage of Roy's points come in the 1st quarter.

I’m willing to bet it is far less than 25% (which would be an equal distribution in a regulation game).

I think he needs to get in and establish himself early and not wait for the heroics in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

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by Arby on Jan 15, 2009 12:52 PM PST reply actions  

you didn’t say if you wanted averages or totals, totals are easier…
not really checked for accuracy,
note my data only goes through 2008, so nothing in there from this year at all…
quarter being the first column… this includes foul shooting.

1 “Brandon Roy”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 142 81 137 24.027073 24.3772242
2 122 75 125 20.642978 22.2419929
3 172 80 133 29.103215 23.6654804
4 145 95 159 24.534687 28.2918149
5 4 3 6 0.676819 1.0676157
6 6 1 2 1.015228 0.3558719

stuff for the rest of the team that had any meaningful data

1 “LaMarcus Aldridge”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 143 65 118 29.124236 27.0642202
2 91 40 69 18.533605 15.8256881
3 164 96 162 33.401222 37.1559633
4 88 51 85 17.922607 19.4954128
5 2 0 0 0.407332 0.0000000
6 3 1 2 0.610998 0.4587156
1 “Nicolas Batum”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 55 27 62 46.61017 51.239669
2 13 7 15 11.01695 12.396694
3 37 14 35 31.35593 28.925620
4 13 5 9 11.01695 7.438017
1 “Jerryd Bayless”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 3 1 3 9.375 14.28571
2 3 0 0 9.375 0.00000
3 1 0 0 3.125 0.00000
4 25 13 18 78.125 85.71429
1 “Steve Blake”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 89 46 106 30.6896552 33.1250
2 53 28 67 18.2758621 20.9375
3 88 42 100 30.3448276 31.2500
4 58 27 44 20.0000000 13.7500
5 1 1 3 0.3448276 0.9375
6 1 0 0 0.3448276 0.0000
1 “Rudy Fernandez”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 39 22 56 13.7809187 19.11263
2 98 47 99 34.6289753 33.78840
3 50 28 47 17.6678445 16.04096
4 94 49 91 33.2155477 31.05802
5 1 0 0 0.3533569 0.00000
6 1 0 0 0.3533569 0.00000
1 “Channing Frye”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 29 15 27 20.863309 23.07692
2 56 23 42 40.287770 35.89744
3 8 0 0 5.755396 0.00000
4 46 24 48 33.093525 41.02564
1 “Greg Oden”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 54 32 54 25.8373206 30.000000
2 62 30 44 29.6650718 24.444444
3 47 27 40 22.4880383 22.222222
4 45 26 40 21.5311005 22.222222
6 1 1 2 0.4784689 1.111111
1 “Travis Outlaw”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 44 23 48 14.28571 17.26619
2 100 39 79 32.46753 28.41727
3 60 31 62 19.48052 22.30216
4 104 50 89 33.76623 32.01439
1 “Joel Przybilla”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 34 26 47 25.95420 29.01235
2 31 20 37 23.66412 22.83951
3 42 35 52 32.06107 32.09877
4 24 17 26 18.32061 16.04938
1 “Sergio Rodriguez”
  attempts makes points attempts.percent points.percent
1 15 7 14 12.50000 12.84404
2 47 19 41 39.16667 37.61468
3 18 13 20 15.00000 18.34862
4 40 18 34 33.33333 31.19266

by contemnor on Jan 15, 2009 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

this shows who takes what percentage of total blazer attempts each player takes (e.g. LaMarcus takes 22.6 % of the shots in the first) Nic more attempts than Greg in the first? wouldn’t have guessed that

LaMarcus Aldridge Brandon Roy Steve Blake Nicolas Batum
       22.6039783 19.5298373 15.0090416 9.2224231
        Greg Oden Travis Outlaw Rudy Fernandez Channing Frye
        7.7757685 7.2332731 6.6907776 4.5207957
   Joel Przybilla Sergio Rodriguez Jerryd Bayless Martell Webster
        4.3399638 2.3508137 0.5424955 0.1808318

      Brandon Roy Travis Outlaw Rudy Fernandez LaMarcus Aldridge
       16.0649819 14.9819495 14.6209386 13.5379061
    Channing Frye Steve Blake Sergio Rodriguez Greg Oden
        9.0252708 8.6642599 8.1227437 6.6787004
   Joel Przybilla Nicolas Batum Ike Diogu Jerryd Bayless
        4.8736462 2.1660650 0.7220217 0.5415162

      Brandon Roy LaMarcus Aldridge Steve Blake Travis Outlaw
       25.0972763 24.5136187 15.7587549 9.5330739
    Nicolas Batum Rudy Fernandez Greg Oden Joel Przybilla
        6.8093385 6.0311284 4.4747082 3.8910506
 Sergio Rodriguez Channing Frye Jerryd Bayless
        2.1400778 1.5564202 0.1945525

      Brandon Roy Travis Outlaw Rudy Fernandez LaMarcus Aldridge
        20.582121 15.800416 14.760915 13.305613
    Channing Frye Steve Blake Sergio Rodriguez Greg Oden
         7.692308 7.692308 6.860707 4.573805
   Jerryd Bayless Joel Przybilla Nicolas Batum Ike Diogu
         2.910603 2.494802 1.871102 1.455301

by contemnor on Jan 15, 2009 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

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