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Steve Blake Separates Shoulder

Steve Blake suffered a grade 1 right shoulder separation running into a pick during the first half of tonight's game against Philly.  Obviously, Blake is done for tonight's game.  

Grade 1 separations are the mildest kind.  Here's some general information about shoulder separations.  

The Blazers have not issued a timeline for Blake's return so do not jump to any conclusions based on this general information.  

The injury is most commonly a result of a direct impact on the shoulder. The injury is classified according to its severity.

Grade I separation occurs when the ligaments holding the joint together (the acromio-clavicular capsule and ligaments) are bruised, but still mostly intact.

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Grade I and II separations will usually resolve with rest. An arm sling is provided for comfort. Range of motion exercises are started in a few days as soon as the pain has subsided, and strengthening exercises added in 1 or 2 weeks. Most patients can resume sports in 3 to 6 weeks.     

WebMD has similar information.

Treatment of a shoulder separation depends on its severity. For a type I or II injury, you support your shoulder with a sling. You generally need the sling until the discomfort decreases (a few days to a week). Early physical therapy to strengthen your shoulder and regain range of motion is important for recovery and to prevent frozen shoulder, a condition that limits shoulder motion (adhesive capsulitis). You can return to normal exercises and activities as your pain and other symptoms go away.    

I will pass along any new information as soon as it becomes available.

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

Poll
Who starts tomorrow?
Sergio
367 votes
Bayless
385 votes
Blake (wearing a sling)
87 votes
Rudy (manning up with the foot injury)
70 votes

909 votes | Poll has closed

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slow, dejected, FIRST!!

Brandon Roy is the Shawn Kemp of monogamy
-BE poster whose name I can't remember

by TheTinfoil on Jan 14, 2009 6:10 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

could this day get any better??!!?

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE

by CroRupt on Jan 14, 2009 6:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I

Want to jump off a bridge.

kill myself right now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fj8DgWnbVng&feature=bz303
MVP *** MVP *** MVP
I've never scored more than 38 ..... not even in Little League.

by Portland89 on Jan 14, 2009 6:15 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I say as soon as Rudy gets better....

put him in the starting lineup and move Roy to pg.

by JasonT on Jan 14, 2009 6:21 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

i think rudy could make a good pg alongside roy

i just worry about the defense of a rudy/roy back court..

and bayless is certainly just another rookie who we cannot be sure of..

by idoltime on Jan 14, 2009 6:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Blazers are going to stuggle without Blake

He’s probably the 2nd most important player after Roy. Bad news if he’s out any extended time.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Jan 14, 2009 6:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I actually think the team may find losing Blake ...

… hurts even more than having Brandon sit out a few games.

I am hoping Sergio proves me wrong.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 7:29 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

The truth is

neither is ready to take over blakes spot…but nate has traditionally shown a little more favoritism to the elder players on his squad. not to take anything away from bayless, but sergio has just a tiny bit more poise than the rookie.

i’d vote to start trout at 3 batum at 2 and roy at 1 if rudy is still out however.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

And here I am wondering how more people voted for Bayless.

They much like no assist PG’s who shoot and miss a lot.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 7:30 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless was playing the 2 for most of his shots… but you are right, he looked poor last night along with everyone else

by danielfarrell on Jan 15, 2009 10:56 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"i don't want [Blake] to miss a thing!" a song by Aerosmith

We are entering the Armageddon portion of the Blazers franchise right now. After the Miles fallout and injuries take a toll on the team in the next few years, Paul Allen will move them.

by Bust a Bucket on Jan 14, 2009 6:41 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the 13th Floor Elevators

I can’t believe there is somebody else in the world that likes something that I also like. How curious.

I voted for Blake in a sling, but I am eager to see who starts. Everybody is quick to point out that Rodriguez is a much better fit with the second unit, but with no Rudy and with him already being the second-string PG and whatnot I would think Rodriguez still starts.

Salaam.

by JamesOn on Jan 14, 2009 6:51 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio...

After seeing the horrible performance by Bayless tonight, hands down Sergio should start. I don’t quite understand why Bayless got 25 minutes tonight , 1/11 fgm-a, 0/2 3pm-a… yeah. Everytime Bayless has the ball I just expect a turnover, that’s not good.

by brandonmitchell on Jan 14, 2009 6:40 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

whoa

both PGs played horrible tonight…neither really deserve to start, but if it was a tossup i’m going to give the nod to sergio. if there is no rudy tomorrow, sergio might struggle off the bench. if bayless came off the bench he could totally fill out the jj1 role last year. he and trout would have the ball all to themselves and be a 2 man black hole.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 7:58 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Bayless will Start

I think Nate will give him another chance. Everyone has bad games! Well I guess bayless is not allowed to, because after tonight everyone seems to think he has no future.

by jcoop85 on Jan 14, 2009 6:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

it's ironic too

because people put up with three years a bad Sergio games….

by Bust a Bucket on Jan 14, 2009 6:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I know

and im sick of people writing players off to soon. If everyone did this their would be a lot of quality players out of the league right now.

by jcoop85 on Jan 14, 2009 6:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

And yet after 1 mediocre game everyone thought Bayless had arrived.

by Zaig on Jan 14, 2009 8:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

True

It works both ways.

by jcoop85 on Jan 15, 2009 12:18 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

It's not a case of thinking Bayless has no future.

It is simply one of realizing he’s not ready yet.

I didn’t get to see the game, so I only have the box score and Dave’s recap to go off of. I know that’s not quite the same as watching a guy play, but based just on those two sources of information, it is hard to believe Bayless did anything to show he should be getting 20 minutes a game, let alone start at PG.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I watched

your lucky you didn’t! Actually Blake looked awful, Then Bayless….and sure enough sergio followed suite. None of them looked like they deserved 20 minutes a game if you were to base of of just this game. Honestly Bayless missed a ton of shots but as far as everything else they were all equally terrible. I’m not a bayless homer or something like that but I would like to see people have a little more patience. I mean if people judge so quickly then Batum would be back in France. That guy looked so bad in summer league! I was thinking what a waste of a pick! I didn’t go on the message boards the next day doubting him though, and sure enough the guy looks like he will be a really good player.

by jcoop85 on Jan 15, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

If Blake is out, either Roy starts at point or Sergio

Otherwise there is no scoring threat from the guards in the second unit. With Martell out too, is Nic our next shooting guard?

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 6:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That was my first suggestion

Nate can move Batum into the backcourt, at least until Rudy is back

But I think KP needs to get busy. Too much waiting around, smelling his cake in the oven. Ingredients are missing, more sugar/spice need to be added. Lord knows he’s got assets to deal (RLEC, Frye, draft choices, etc)

As Woody said in Toy Story: “This is a perfect time to panic!”

by two4larue on Jan 14, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No it isn't.

Injuries happen all the time. If we are as deep as most people think we are, then someone will step up. If we aren’t, then all of trade proposals we’ve seen are so much bs, as the Blazers that always get mentioned as trade bait won’t be worth anything of value in return.

Let’s all remember that Portland seems to stink it up in Philly on a regular basis. Must be something in the water. Against the Nets Brandon, Greg and LaMarcus can tee off, to the point that Nate could put Baby Point Guard on the court and still whip New Jersey.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 7:44 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

OKC Killing utah at the end of the third

I guess not everything is going wrong.

Brandon Roy is the Shawn Kemp of monogamy
-BE poster whose name I can't remember

by TheTinfoil on Jan 14, 2009 6:44 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

now utah will mount a huge comeback

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...

by BlazerFan1 on Jan 14, 2009 6:45 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

worst. day. ever

1st day back to work
work was insane
blazers lost
our blaring weakness is revealed when steve separates a shoulder
and a note on that I have dislocated my shoulder before it should NOT take long to recover

sophia

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...

by BlazerFan1 on Jan 14, 2009 6:47 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

so dislocating is not as bad

…? i wasn’t aware

Sophia

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...

by BlazerFan1 on Jan 14, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I did separate mine.

The doctor debated whether surgury was needed or not. Decided to let it heal on it’s own. If I’m remembering correctly (it was a long time ago) I was out about 2 months.

btw – I took out two guys with the block, allowing our guy to score a TD.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 7:50 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

dislocating is worse

"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07

by LetsBlaze on Jan 15, 2009 10:05 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Does "luxation" mean "separation" or "dislocation"?

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16

by amlmart1 on Jan 15, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

it means mild dislocation without significant tissue damage

shoulder "separation occurs at the joint between the collar bone and shoulder blade at the front of the shoulder

"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07

by LetsBlaze on Jan 15, 2009 11:31 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks.

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16

by amlmart1 on Jan 15, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I have been there

Seperated left sholder about 10 years ago,took a while to rehab but I payed the dues and it works pretty good.The only real difference is I can still do chinups but cant hang fully extended on the bar or it feels like a cattle prod but I can extend for a VB or frisbee no problem and I am a[cant spell it] both hands kind of guy

by southern oregon on Jan 14, 2009 7:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

confused ambidextral

That’s what I call it when you do different things with either hand, like I

write with my right

throw with my left

etc

by two4larue on Jan 14, 2009 8:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Me too

My Dad the same way

by southern oregon on Jan 14, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought another term was used ...

… for people that go both ways.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 7:51 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

l.o.l.

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...

by BlazerFan1 on Jan 14, 2009 6:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

your back to work already?

wasn’t your surgery only a week ago?

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not at all fair

Blake stunk up the joint before getting injured

by as11osu on Jan 14, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, Blake will be out for a good while

Shoulder separation/dislocation/subluxation is not easy to get back from. After the first time, it is common for it to occur again. I know, I’ve had it happen 5 years ago and have experienced many since (but that’s without surgery or proper treatment and care). Hopefully Blake can bounce back from it, hopefully sooner than later but he will need to take care of it.

Honestly, Bayless is too uneducated and isn’t ready to lead. To head first, to be running the 1st unit. Plus Harris would probably school him tomorrow. My best opinion is to have Roy slide to 1 and guard Harris then put Rudy in his natural position at 2 and hopefully he can hang with Carter on D. It’s going to be hard. I think if Rudy can’t hang with Carter then we slide Rudy to 3 on D and move Batum to 2, just for D, on Carter.

by dpnim on Jan 14, 2009 7:01 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

and it's blake's shooting arm

this is really not good

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 14, 2009 7:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

and Steve already has

a funky shooting motion, he really over-extends his right shoulder on his follow-through

time for KP to cash in his chips (RLEC) and get a veteran PG

by two4larue on Jan 14, 2009 8:09 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, That's if Rudy plays.

If he doesn’t Bayless should be at the 2. And if defenses don’t work on Carter then switch.

by dpnim on Jan 14, 2009 7:03 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Not Bayless

I like his “upside,” but JB hasn’t done one single thing so far this season to make me think he can play point guard for this time right now. Sergio, on the other hand, has had success at times at the position, and was steady as a starter in the preseason.

Personally, I think Sergio will do well with extended minutes, as long as the coach shows confidence in him. However, I think the long term solution at point guard, with this Blazer team, is for Rudy and Roy to share PG duties. Rudy seems to have all the skills to be a point guard. I am not sure why there isn’t more discussion of Rudy as point guard. The only hesitation is he is so young and inexperienced in the NBA. But, I think Rudy is probably the best option at this point.

by goblazer1 on Jan 14, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Defense. That’s why no one is talking about rudy as the PG.

by danielfarrell on Jan 14, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No one at point was the answer tonight

Blake was as god awful as Sergio and Bayless. A little bit of pressure and everyone except Roy panicked. I’m amazed more people don’t do this. Even if it takes 6-8 seconds off the shot clock, it leaves the rest of our offense with not near enough time for our slow playing pick and rolls to develop. We don’t have enough off the ball movement to counteract this type of defense. Hopefully Philadelphia is the only team with enough quickness and length to bother us like this. While this was indeed a horrible, horrible effort by our PG’s, I don’t think this will repeat itself. I think this was an anomaly (until the next time we play Philly).

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 14, 2009 7:18 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I guess Bayless

The biggest challenge against the Nets is slowing down their guards a little bit. The Blazers need to throw a lot of defense against them. I guess I’d pick Bayless for D. Still, what looked like a good win opportunity in NJ now looks pretty questionable.

Easy to imagine Harris and Carter going nuts. As an NJ resident, I can tell you they are GREAT this year.

by Kaboomm on Jan 14, 2009 7:19 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

oh i think this game is nearly a lost cause

and i don’t usually overreact.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 14, 2009 7:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bayless

has been one of the worst players in the NBA this season. Sergio’s not great shakes, but he at least is decent. (Sergio’s PER is nearly 4x Bayless). There is no reason he should be starting.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Jan 14, 2009 7:25 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Did you see Bayless turn it over on three straight

Entry passes? Did you see Blake dribble into traffic and turn it over or make a jump pass. Did you see Blake getting burned by the speedy Miller. Did you see Sergio go into traffic and get his shot blocked or him throw up crud. Did you see Bayless losing his man and getting burned when he did have his man.

Point being that this was one horrible night by our PG’s. No use in comparing as they were all rotten.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 14, 2009 7:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

No because he didn't touch the ball much

Because the PG’s either turned it over or Roy went one on one.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 14, 2009 8:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Or when Greg went out.

That’s my take on it. Philly drove at will after that.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 14, 2009 8:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

Bayless was in during the run, doing NOTHING. Roy and the offensive rebounders were the reason for the run, that and Philly missed some wide open shots.

by Zaig on Jan 14, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

He was going nothing but staying out of the way… at least he wasn’t dribbling out the whole shotclock and keeping the team from getting shots ;-)

by danielfarrell on Jan 15, 2009 10:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

that's coaching.

If it was Sergio’s choice, he’d be running the 7 second offense.

by Blazin' on Jan 14, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You know

Part of that is because no one moves on offense. Part is because Sergio is now afraid to drive. Part is because Sergio is now afraid to shoot.

With Blake out lets experiment. Give Sergio the green light to do whatever he wants without fear of being pulled until the normal rotation.

by Zaig on Jan 14, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

eric snow is getting a disability retirement

because his left knee is shot, so the quintessential cagey old unselfish vet is unavailable. next stop: antonio daniels? he just got moved recently, i don’t recall where.

i don’t think there’s any way in the world kp doesnt reach out and find someone, even if it’s just jason hart.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 14, 2009 7:28 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Antonio Daniels, who was dealt to the New Orleans Hornets, has settled in as Chris Paul's backup.

As it is, though, Daniels has regressed this season; he’s become an over-the-hill, washed-up has-been.

by AK1984 on Jan 14, 2009 8:15 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was not impressed with Sergio tonight

Granted, I know he’s been trying hard to develop his game. I can tell he puts his effort in shooting, I always see him during pre-game warming up getting his shot but he just hasn’t found it yet. He needs to work on his handles; he is sloppy. This should help him with his drives and controlling the plays. I know tonight Philly had a big Block Party, so I’m sure that was one reason why Sergio wasn’t as effective. Especially on half-court sets which is what our 1st unit plays with. If he does start tomorrow, and I’m not completey opposed to that (although, I also think he would get school by Harris), he needs to tighten up. This is his chance.

I notice this more with the Blazers, than any other team, but they are continually handing out chances and opportunities to the bench. Batum wouldn’t be starting hadn’t Webster gone down. Travis couldn’t step up or Batum did (depending on how you look at it). Rudy needed to step up when Roy went down, although LMA did. LMA plays long minutes, has no one else proved they can back him up? Now, Blake goes down and some one is going to need to step up here, Sergio? Bayless? Can they do it overnight? Ideally, everyone should be stepping up no matter the situation. But these missed opportunities, prove we aren’t hungry. Are we hungry? We need to get hungry.

by dpnim on Jan 14, 2009 7:38 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

your post reminded me of last year

last year…unexpected people on our team stepped up. there wasn’t really pressure on anyone to perform, but the players brought it upon themselves to step up everyone had at least a few games where they were the hero…even channing. i know we have improved and our bench seems to be deeper despite adding 3 rookies to mainstays in our rotation, yet i honestly can’t understand why others aren’t stepping up this year like last year. have we become too dependent on brandon (and greg at the start of the year)? or maybe it was because expectations were so low last year that there wasn’t as much pressure to succeed as there is this year? i realy dont know.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 8:05 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't seem to be seeing that either from the bench players

Although prior to his wrist injury, Joel was stepping up in a big way off of the bench when he was needed. And until tonight, Travis seemed to be picking up his game, but no one else has really taken the bull by the horns and taken advantage of their time to shine. No to Ike, no to Channing, no to Rudy as a starter, no to Sergio, no to Bayless.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 14, 2009 8:14 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

ya

last year we didn’t need brandon to pick up the slack until the 4th quarter or even at all for some games. now it seems like its pretty tough to win if he’s having an off night. while its great that brandon is moving into “superstaresque” territory, i’m just worried that our team is deferring to him too much as a result.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 8:23 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon

Needs to be more aggressive right from the beginning. This opens up for the other players and usually jump starts the rest of the team.

But you are right and while it is hard to argue with the results or with Brandon, sometimes it evolves into Brandon vs. the world. That’s why this year is going to continue to have ups and downs as we try to incorporate a bunch of rookies, a more dangerous Roy and heavy expectations. We will learn along the way and hopefully find a way that emphasizes everyone’s strengths not just Roy’s.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 14, 2009 8:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

aggressiveness

i can understand why brandon starts off slow…its sort of what kobe did last year that finally got him in mvp talks. i think hes just trying to gauge his teammates performances to see where he needs to jump in. if the offense is struggling offensively then he jumps in and provides that scoring punch…if they are getting burned defensively then he helps there. i guess its his methodical way of selecting where to expend his energy. brandons energy is best saved for crunch time where he can fully utilize his bbiq and decision making to its fullest.

i’m not sure if i’m even on the right page with this…but it seems logical to me. i do agree that i wish he would have more of an impact in the first quarter on a regular basis.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 8:46 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I do agree

We tend to be Roy-centric only because he has proven he can do everything. But like the other night, when he isn’t on, which is bound to happen, some one needs to step up. Luckily, Travis’s was on. But tonight? It seemed like everyone was hesitant, unsure and that’s not something you should ever be in the NBA. Everyone needs to improve everyday, whether physically, mentally or intellectually. We lost today, I was really upset but what can we/the team learn from it. Our main problem is that were young, how do improve that over a short period of time. Intelligence. Improving is recognizing our faults and conquering them.

Ideally, Roy should be more aggressive early but that always doesn’t go hand in hand with efficient, which is how he plays. If he can’t make a shot, he may pass it and if he does the recipient needs to know what to do with. If it’s shot, he needs to put himself in the best possible position to score/make a play. There is more to offense than shooting, theres: getting open, moving with out the ball, collapsing defenses, spreading defenses. We can’t just sit back and watch Roy do his thing without effectively helping him or ourselves.

That was a funky rant, hope it makes sense.

by dpnim on Jan 14, 2009 9:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

its hard when you only play 5 minutes

Sure, he played 14 minutes tonight in a game that was over practically by the time he got in the game, so that didn’t really count.

by goblazer1 on Jan 14, 2009 11:01 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Ben you forgot an option for voting

Roy. That’s unfortunately the answer on the offensive end. No one is going to be able to guard Harris anyway.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 14, 2009 7:46 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

was talking about the fifth slot, not the PG spot necessarily…. brandon is already going to be starting along with greg, batum and aldridge. i guess travis could be another option but i doubt nate goes that route.

by Ben. on Jan 14, 2009 8:17 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are right

Without Rudy there really isn’t any other option. That would be going really, really big lineup and slower than we already are. Oden would probably foul out in five minutes.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 14, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Really, the forgotten option was “other”. Had that option been there I would not have voted for Sergio. I did think the question was “who starts tomorrow [at pg]” since all the options were pgs. I consider Rudy a pg option since I remember when the Blazer brass went to Spain to watch him they were surprised at his “point guard skills.” But since I misinterpreted the question and my answer wasn’t available I skewed the results some. Sorry :-)

"Complaining does not work as a strategy. We all have finite time and energy. Any time we spend whining is unlikely to help us achieve our goals. And it won't make us happier." - Randy Pausch.

by jorga on Jan 14, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I would like to express again

that I want Kirk Hinrich. That is all.

by Cablinasian on Jan 14, 2009 7:49 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

if they'll give us Kirk

for just RLEC I’d be all over that

but I suspect they’ll want a live body, like Travis. And to shed another bad contract, like Nocioni

by two4larue on Jan 14, 2009 8:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

After reading blog-a-bull (and Chad Ford's comment)

I’m taking out Nocioni and putting Deng into my proposal, along with Sergio (to match salaries, and to ease the potential PG logjam when Blake returns…)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=2429198145420153025&teams=2222444&te=&cash=

Chicago gets their 2010 cap relief, KP gets the PG and SF he’s reportedly interested in

by two4larue on Jan 14, 2009 9:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Well, he's making 10 mil this year

So Raef and his 12.7 mil salary would have to be included

Obvously, Chicago’s gonna want a player who can help them right now, and would want to dump another “bad” contract in the deal. Maybe something like this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=198124564542015&teams=222244&te=&cash=

Outlaw did just torch them for 33, after all…I’m not crazy about Nocioni but to get Cap’t Kirk when Portland’s PG postion is a black suck hole you have to give up something to get something

by two4larue on Jan 14, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

YOU DON'T SELL OUT FOR THIS SEASON

We’re not winning it all anyway. Don’t sellout on this teams future, its too bright and well worth making a sacrifice this year for.

by as11osu on Jan 14, 2009 8:29 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be cool with Will Conroy as a short-term stopgap, but acquiring Kirk Hinrich would not be a ...

case of “sell[ing] out for this season” in any way, shape, or form. Heck, a trade wherein Portland dealt Raef LaFrentz and Shavlik Randolph to the Chicago Bulls for Kirk Hinrich and Cedric Simmons would vastly improve the team’s playmaking and defense at point guard—there’s no ifs, ands, or buts about it!

by AK1984 on Jan 14, 2009 8:35 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

This is new

I agree with AK on something.

Blake makes a great backup… a Hinrich/Blake point guard combo is not bad at all.

by Cablinasian on Jan 14, 2009 8:49 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

sounds good to me

and i think something has to be done. however, i doubt that it will be one of these 5 player deals… and i doubt very much that outlaw will be traded.

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 14, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Kirk would be great with Roy

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Jan 14, 2009 11:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Who to Start?

I think we should just start Trout at the 3 and move Batum to the 2 for a quick stint. I don’t think that either Sergio or Rudy are totally ready to step into Blake’s full role…but this is an opportunity for both to get a lot more minutes.

If Rudy is back tomorrow and playing 90…start Bayless for a short stint and keep the 2nd unit in tact. Rudy won’t be 100 and probably shouldn’t start but should ease his way in off the bench.

This isn’t the time for Blazer fans to cheer one on and not the other…BOTH PGs need our support while Blake is gone.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 7:54 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I don't hate the Batum idea

He has been defending guards — great ones — for individual possessions this season. I wonder if he could guard Vince Carter. At least for some stretches. Maybe.

Now that I think about it, Bobby Simmons spends most of his time at the 3-point line at small forward. You could put anybody on him.

by Kaboomm on Jan 14, 2009 9:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Gigantic eyeroll

You can’t be serious.

by as11osu on Jan 14, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

While Will Conroy's shooting efficiency and high turnover rate are definite negatives, he's a ...

decent option as a short-term stopgap. If you want a true point guard with veteran experience, then Mateen Cleaves and Eddie Gill fit that bill. If you want If you want a poor man’s Steve Blake, then Blake Ahern is an option. If you want an unathletic Caucasian dude with a sweet hairstyle, then Dan Dickau is probably taking phone calls. If you want an even worse version of Dickau, then Jared Jorden is an option.

Alas, it sucks that Darren Collison can’t leave UCLA right now and join the Portland Trail Blazers.

by AK1984 on Jan 14, 2009 8:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I was being kind of facetious with the players I named there—especially Jared Jordan.

Blake Ahern, however, would definitely be the most similar to Steve Blake for a short spurt.

by AK1984 on Jan 15, 2009 12:23 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You guys all know that Portland would have to release someone ...

… in order to sign someone from the D-League?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 7:59 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

but do we really need 16 backup PFs?

Part of the problem is that Martell is the guy we could shift to SG for injury cover, but he’s injured.

We really only have 3 guards. If Rudy is back in a game or two, no big deal. If not, we’re probably going to either make a trade (like the Green-Wafer one last year) or let one of the PFs go to grab a D-League PG. You can’t play for long with 3 guards.

I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.

by jscot on Jan 15, 2009 8:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we could get Conroy, Nate Rob, and Roy on the same team

We’d definitely get a #1 seed but then Rick Pitino would beat us in the finals.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Jan 15, 2009 6:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

we also need

a legitimate 3pt threat. I think Tre Simmons is still out there.

M, period. Fresh, comma.

by manzell on Jan 15, 2009 6:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Sergio and Bayless both played awful....

Its that simple. But Bayless has been worse, he simply doesnt deserve a start with the way he has played since being inserted into the rotation. I couldn’t believe he got 25 minutes but I guess we were that short handed. Sergio is struggling ever since Bayless got into the rotation. He is a player that suffers heavily from confidence issues. I actually just wish he would get traded for his own sake. I am so sick of watching Nate try to turn every point guard he touches into a mirror image of himself. Has Nate ever developed even a decent point guard as a coach? Sergio needs to be let loose on the court or let go from the team. Why the hell is Nate so obsessed with attacking the basket with a pg. People under 6’5 not named Tony Parker should not make their living driving to the hoop and challenging the big men. Sergio has clearly been pressing to attack the hoop and score which is clearly not his game. It is taking him out of what he does well and he is doing it because that is what Nate wants. I just don’t get it. The lack of player movement away from the ball is flat out disgraceful. Every play is a post up, a 1 on 1 iso, a pick and pop, or a pick and roll. Its pretty lame. Ok, I fell better now….

/rant

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Jan 14, 2009 8:12 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Nate may regret his inability to work with Sergio in the coming weeks. Interesting timing on the Sergio for Nate R. rumor. D’Antoni sees something in young Rodriguez. I hope he gets to go to NY for his own sake!

by Blazin' on Jan 14, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Bunch of chicken littles up in this joint.

RELAX!

"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP

by Arby on Jan 14, 2009 8:29 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

It's called CLS

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 8:00 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I dont hate Sergio

But he sucked tonite and he knows it

by southern oregon on Jan 14, 2009 8:30 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Short of Roy (and even Roy in stints)

pretty much everybody sucked tonight. Pinpointing this loss or this situation to either Serg or JB is a little ridiculous.

"Respect everyone, fear no one." -TP

by Arby on Jan 14, 2009 8:31 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

100% correct.

Blake was also just as bad. One bad night, on the road, to a hot team, who plays a style that obviously gives us fits is one to forget and move on.

"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.

by blazermaniac32 on Jan 14, 2009 8:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

As I queried Mr. Snake in the game thread...

Would you rather be burned to death or electrocuted in the bathtub?

"Now with a non-provocative footer!"

by timbo on Jan 14, 2009 9:35 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather go out the same why I came in....

…. between the legs of a good woman.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 8:01 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I hope some of these comments

make it to the bulletin board.

Perhaps one of the most dangerous creatures in all of sports is the player that has been written off as hopeless and not having a chance. Especially after a really bad game.

I expect one or both of our young PGs to play really well against NJ, and I expect a win.

I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.

by jscot on Jan 15, 2009 1:13 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I hope so

Only Devin Harris and VC can get hot on a moments notice and win the game with 30 even if almost no one else on the team is scoring. I watched that against Dallas, who also were not able to contain quick guards with the personnel they had out on the floor. Bayless had some good stops against Lou Williams, but he was really off on the other side tonight.

by Norsktroll on Jan 15, 2009 1:58 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

You are right about Harris and VC

On the other hand, Brandon Roy and Travis Outlaw can get hot on a moment’s notice and win the game with 30 even if almost no one else on the team is scoring.

And I’m pretty high on the center matchup.

I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.

by jscot on Jan 15, 2009 2:38 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy has to gut it out

I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!

by tominhawaii on Jan 15, 2009 3:51 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

i voted for jayless to start

simply becouse he kills the second unit and the first unit will survive him. sergio would get some minutes with aldridge and outlaw, and maybe even roy depending. he also has the ability to make przybilla score.

in other news, im officially off my high horse. beeing forcfully right sized sux

Man, we should forfeit before roy’s hammy explodes, knocking him into LMA’s ear who loses his balance and hits Greg’s knee… - HurraKane212

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Jan 15, 2009 6:59 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe Bayless gets almost 300 votes ...

… to be the starter. With the exception of maid, who at least provides a logical reason, there must be a lot of folks on drugs.

Seriously… Bayless? 1 for 11, no assist Bayless? I can see him getting double digit minutes, maybe even into the 20 range. But starting PG?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 8:17 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Feel comfortable evaluating a player on one lousy night?

What about his combined stats from the previos foour games:

MIN 32, FG 5-15, FT 9-11, Ass 6, TO 3, ST 3, REB 4, PTS 19

See my thoughts below.

by upper left corner on Jan 15, 2009 9:06 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't believe it is quite the same comparison playing spot minutes

and getting a 25 minute run.

I’m not in the crowd that thinks Bayless sucks. I just don’t see how you award him with a start after last night’s performance.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 15, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions   0 recs

Silver lining.....

Not to interrupt anyone’s suicidal ideation, but I think Blake’s injury is an opportunity.

We need to figure out our PG position. This gives us a chance to do that. I have been very optimistic about Bayless’ prospects, but I would be the first to admit that last night was pretty ugly. Sergio was only slightly better on the offensive end and was, IMHO, somewhat worse on the defensive end. It happens.

Before we all meet at the Vista Bridge, let’s see how it goes. Give the young ones a chance to show what they can do. If they both suck, it will clarify that the team may need to prioritize bringing in another PG. This is a chance to evaluate the guys before the trade deadline. Sergio is a pretty well known commodity at this point, although I have noticed that he really struggles when he is not on the floor with Rudy. Bayless is still largely unknown. He has shown some real flashes of talent and some pretty poor play.

Look, the team now has its three best outside shooters injured: Martell, Rudy, and Blake. The team is going to struggle and likely loose a few games that we would have won. Don’t panic. The goal is to develop our players and make smart personnel decisions to improve the team for its push to the elite level.

Personally, I think folks are overreacting to an admittedly lousy performance by Bayless. Here is his combined stat line from the previous four games:

MIN 32, FG 5-15, FT 9-11, Ass 6, TO 3, ST 3, REB 4, PTS 19

That is pretty decent. He had a couple of good games, now he had a lousy game. So it goes in the world of the NBA rookie. How did Greg look in his first few games? Lousy. Rookies have a lot on their plate, especially rookies who play the “5” and the “1”. Inconsistency is to be expected, and those who leap to premature conclusions are liable to make poor evaluations and bad personnel decisions.

by upper left corner on Jan 15, 2009 8:39 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm thinking Sergio

If Rudy were playing, then I’d say Sergio would come off the bench w/ the White unit since he and Rudy have a good synergy on the court. However, given that Rudy most likely won’t be playing in NJ, I think Sergio gets the nod over Bayless since he knows the plays better (or, at least should given he’s a 3rd year player).

by DonkeyShins on Jan 15, 2009 9:28 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Math is fun!

43 minutes, not 32. Makes the turnover numbers look better, but everything else look worse. Also, his 2 best game in the NBA were in that 4 game stretch, lets look at the 4 before that.

MIN 43, FG 5-15, FT 9-11, Ass 6, TO 3, ST 3, REB 4, PTS 19 (4 games before 76ers.)
MIN 42, FG 2-16, FT 6-6, Ass 6, TO 5, ST 3, REB 3, PTS 10 (4 games before that.)

At least he’s a decent FT shooter during that stretch?

Sergio’s turn.
MIN 48, FG 4-15, FT 5-7, Ass 6, TO 5, ST 4, REB 6, PTS 13 (4 games before 76ers.)
MIN 43, FG 7-14, FT 2-2, Ass 3, TO 3, ST 3, REB 2, PTS 17 (4 games before that.)

They’re actually fairly similar. Sergio’s shooting is on another level compared to Bayless (LOL) but Bayless gets to the line more. Bayless actually has the assist edge on Sergio, although that’s mainly due to a funk in Sergio’s assists. (Look back 4 more games and Sergio had 13 dimes in 45 minutes.)

by Zaig on Jan 15, 2009 9:35 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

You are not counting the same games. I wasn't counting Boston.

Besides add Bayless 23 tonight to your little math project.

by upper left corner on Jan 15, 2009 9:24 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

More mathy goodness

Sergio needs to play to be productive, the evidence? Let’s look at his games of 20+ minutes. (Granted 2 of these were in blowouts, but 2 also came against Magic/Celtics.)

6 games

136 minutes
13-35 FG (Bad, not Bayless bad though.)
11-11 FT (Good percentage, higher quantity be nice though.)
38 assists! (Something like 13 per 48)
5 steals
13 rebounds
10 turnovers (6 of these in same game)

The shooting could be better, but the rest of the numbers are pretty good. Granted that Chicago blowout inflated his assists, but he also had 6 of his 10 turnovers in that game, one when he rolled the ball to the ref and it went out of bounds with .6 seconds left.

by Zaig on Jan 15, 2009 9:41 AM PST reply actions   0 recs

Do you feel just a little bit stupid after tonight's game?

Nate sees it. KP sees it. The Mikes see it. Maybe you don’t. Bayless does things with a basketball that Sergio will never do. Sergio will never play defense the way Bayless will. Sergio will never drive and score like Bayless. Bayless will get better as a distributor, but Sergio will never grow wings.

by upper left corner on Jan 15, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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