Truehoop Cites Mark Cuban

by Dave on Jan 14, 2009 12:58 PM PST Comment 43 comments

Henry has the story of how Mark Cuban chastised J.R. Smith during last night's Nuggets-Mavericks game. Apparently Smith and Mavs forward Antoine Wright got into it and Smith threw an elbow. Henry descibes the rest:

Mark Cuban decided that he had to be the one to straighten out that situation. So he walked over to Smith and told him that the elbow was not OK, and that he'd be sending the tape to the League in the hopes that Smith would be sanctioned.

Nothing serious came of the incident and Smith appeared to take it in good humor.

Here's my question though. Fans are not allowed to approach the bench or escalate situations with the players since the Pistons-Pacers brawl. Players themselves are not allowed to leave the bench during an altercation. Why is Mark Cuban allowed to mess with an opponent's bench in the middle of a game? Lets say Smith isn't in a good mood. Lets say that elbowing was the result of bad blood simmering over and Smith was on a hair trigger. Then here comes Cuban with his famous snotty-faced look jawing at him about how his behavior is unacceptable and he's going to take it to the league. What possibilities do you think could come from that? How about a haymaker right upside Cuban's head followed by a brawl every bit as bad as the one in Detroit?

Mark Cuban's behavior is ridiculous. He's online. He has a blog. Cut and paste this. Tell him I said so. I don't care. Seriously...somebody needs to curb this behavior because he keeps skirting the line, acting like he's above all of the strictures that apply to fans, players, league officials, you name it. Those restrictions are there for a reason. One of these days he's going to do the wrong thing at the wrong time and his actions are going to have consequences beyond the merely annoying.

An owner approaching the opposing team at any time during a game--in-game, halftime, timeout--is way over the line. Were I the opposing coach I would tell him to get the hell away from my players, now. When Cuban brings his complaint to the league the office should take the material, file it away, and say, "Now sit down, Mark. We have something else to talk about..."

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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He is out of control.

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by GUnit on Jan 14, 2009 1:03 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I would like to see Paul Allen get in KGs face.

by pklym on Jan 14, 2009 1:05 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Paul Allen is too much of a gentleman to do that.

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16

by amlmart1 on Jan 14, 2009 1:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Love it -- I've ween waiting, waiting, waiting for the PA caricature!

by Corvid on Jan 14, 2009 1:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I was gonna print out all the caricatures and give a set to the team tonight, but I never got to it

maybe tomorrow….

"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07

by LetsBlaze on Jan 14, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If you want them "big size" send me a message to amlmart1 at gmail.com and I´ll send them all back to you including Blake and Martel.

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16

by amlmart1 on Jan 14, 2009 3:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Favor request

Can you please create a Fanshot with all your work/tell me if there’s a central source for your stuff? They’re awesome and I could use some more wallpaper fare. Thanks :)

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Jan 14, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, I´ll do it. Just a week or so.

Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16

by amlmart1 on Jan 14, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Great

Thank you!

by blazeraddict on Jan 14, 2009 11:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Showoff

"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 14, 2009 1:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I have thought this for years.

I like Mark, he is a homer, and a fan, like the rest of us. He should not be allowed to approach a player. Could you imagine Paul Allen getting in some ones face?

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 14, 2009 1:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I should have put this in the main post

You’ve hit on the crux of the matter exactly.

Cuban wants to yell and scream and complain and act the spaz claiming he’s just a fan like everyone else. That’s fine, I have no problem with that. Then when you walk into the arena you’re a fan for the duration of that game and should abide by the rules that govern fans. On the other hand Cuban wants to claim the authority of the owner’s position—and not just the traditional authority but his own interpreted version of it—by invoking his right to approach the bench (if that’s even an owner’s prerogative) and send film to the league. OK…if you’re going to be an arbiter like that then for the duration of that game you’re an owner taking the bigger picture and the responsibility of authority into account and you have to dump that spaz fan stuff. You cannot cherry pick the benefits of each while ignoring the responsibilities of each. Fans are allowed to be biased and to say whatever they like because the power of those words to affect the proceedings is fairly limited. Owners are allowed to affect the proceedings because they are supposed to have greater responsibility for their words and actions. Cuban accepts neither mantle and thus is not a really good example of either.

—Dave

by Dave on Jan 14, 2009 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

But at the same time...

I do like that Cuban is a huge fan of his team. Do you remember back in the day when PA would be dancing in the aisles just like all of the rest of us? That is when he was/is most loved as an owner, when everyone can see that he is as happy being a fan of the team as an owner.

While I do think that it was a bad idea to approach the opposing team, and the refs should have tossed him (if they can toss Rice why can’t they toss Cuban), (and can you imagine how the Dallas fans/team would have reacted? They would have been cheering like madmen) this should be a rule instead of just self-censoring.

While I do think that he acted poorly, this is completely in character for Cuban, and I like him as an owner.

From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.

by TheOdenator on Jan 14, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

so yea I guess I agree that Cuban should be restricted

but I think all the owners should be restricted the same way any fan is restricted. Because I don’t want to see PA or Cuban having to contain themselves as owners, and think they should be treated as any other person who is watching the game.

From the back of Travis Outlaw's Franz card: Travis leads the team in monstrous thunder dunks, wins awards for post game interviews, and often gets extra points for degree of difficulty.

by TheOdenator on Jan 14, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's my view as well

I love that he’s into the game/cares about the team as more than an asset he can flip in 15 years, but things like this (running onto the court, jawing with officials) are over the edge. I hope he doesn’t stop being outspoken, calling the league on its bad decisions, but that can’t happen. Odenator has it right too

by blazeraddict on Jan 14, 2009 1:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

If a regular fan ran onto the court, they would

either be escorted out of the building, or arrested.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 14, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

^So why is he allowed to do it.

Heck, if a player runs onto the court they can sometimes be fined, or suspended a game. Maybe the NBA should fine and suspend Cuban. Or award techs for him running onto the court.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 14, 2009 1:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

or knocked out

if it were Jermaine

by DominicanAvenger on Jan 14, 2009 7:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

the first thought that came to mind is that joel przyzbilla could solve this problem

Blazers Edge.com

by Ben. on Jan 14, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

"Hey Mr. Cuban, this is Larry Miller. I have a baton I'd like to pass you."

Brandon Roy is the Shawn Kemp of monogamy
-BE poster whose name I can't remember

by TheTinfoil on Jan 14, 2009 1:09 PM PST reply actions 2 recs

cuban has helped me root against dallas for years

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 14, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

lol, i like cuban now

the tragik truth is money buys privilage. weather it should or not is an entirely different discution. GO CUBAN!!!

They LIED!!!

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Jan 14, 2009 1:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Allen doesn't approach other teams or players...

He lets the vulcans do it.

by tmundal on Jan 14, 2009 1:19 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Does anyone tell your CEO

if he or she takes up two spots in the parking lot, or gets free jello at the cafeteria? In a league where star players apparently get their own rulebook on fouls and travels, would it surprise anyone that there are also “we’ll ignore that rule for ya” rules for owners?

Instead of punching him, I’d have loved to have seen Smith try to give Cuban a wedgie, or a noogie, or an indian burn (perhaps not a wet willy, however). See what Stern does with that!

by torridjoe on Jan 14, 2009 1:23 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

hilarious!

and thank you.

All owners should be like Cuban, except for the walking-onto-the-court thing. That’s got to stop. – Elgin

If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner

by 22baylor on Jan 14, 2009 1:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You should have seen him after Jason Terry was called for a foul on Chauncey Billups that decided the game

Be the ref poll including photos/screencaps: Mavs vs. Nuggets, Billups vs. Terry: Offensive foul, defensive foul, no call
http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2009/1/14/720197/be-the-ref

NBA game recap video incl. this scene here
Cuban reaction after final shot pointing to the officials here

By the way, I really like Mark Cuban. Top 3 among owners.

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Rule clarification on the foul call

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2009/1/14/720704/rule-clarification

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I wonder if it is to a point

where when mark cuban files a complaint it goes in a special folder that is stored in the janitors closet of nba hq.

Much like Dwight’s complaints about Jim on the Office.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jan 14, 2009 2:12 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I thought the same thing.

That is my favorite Office episode.

by Cablinasian on Jan 14, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

wow

I dont think I could choose a favorite. They are all so awesome.

Although the part where Jim describes all of his pranks on Dwight, especially the phone, makes it a really good episode.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jan 14, 2009 3:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

CUBAN $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Money Talks and even with the down economy Mark C has enough to talk to players coaches and refs. The problem is he only makes things worse not better for the MAV’s. Keep it up MARK and the Trail Blazer’s will help you go home early in the playoffs.

"The idea is not to block every shot. The idea is to make your opponent believe that you might block every shot." - Bill Russell

by NOWINE on Jan 14, 2009 2:53 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Marc Cuban

does not fit in our culture

Sophia

Though patience be a tired mare, yet she will plod. - William Shakespeare

"He should have his face
shaved into the back of his head.. Then there would be no escape" OutlawisRejector on what Bayless' next haircut ought to be...

by BlazerFan1 on Jan 14, 2009 2:56 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Why do we care what Mark Cuban does?

If Stern thinks itis a problem, let him do something. I couldn’t care less if Cuban decided to strip naked and run around the court during a time out.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Jan 14, 2009 3:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Dave is just helping the Blazers out to find a new scapegoat

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 3:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I actually like Cuban

I do think approaching the other players DURING a game is too much, but I love his enthusiasm for the game. He’s the anti-Donald Sterling. He owns the team and actually has a passion for the game, even if he can’t play. He crosses the line sometimes, sure, but I’d rather have him as an owner than somebody who is only in it for the money.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Jan 14, 2009 3:52 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

Um, maybe this isn't the best time

to be pointing fingers at how other management/ownerships behave. Cuban’s was a misdemeanor, ours was a series of felonies.

by howlingfantods on Jan 14, 2009 5:10 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

cuban's behavior is an ongoing issue

it would be a nonissue but hes an exhibitionist. some of us out here in ordinary joe land have an instinctive aversion for a pouty-mouthed rich guy who acts like an overgrown 9 year old.

others like him because hes so “passionate.”

ignacio

by ignacio on Jan 14, 2009 7:48 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm not having a cow about this

I mean, he’ll get in trouble, but really…didn’t seem very confrontational. Of course, I am a deep admirer of Red Auerbach, who, has Henry mentioned in his post, threw a haymaker at another owner. Confronted with Clay Bennett, one might be tempted.

by chnews on Jan 14, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs