IF THE TRADE IS TRUE

It’s a decent point, but it’s not like Sergio was 6’5" 220 or anything

My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(

Let LaMarcus keep the headband!

by inroywetrust on Jan 14, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

true

but he had some experience, and if you’re going to trade sergio trade him for a better choice, a bigger guard

by NKing on Jan 14, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

This is the same logic that got Bryant Reeves drafted, Kwame Brown drafted 1st overall, and multiple years of Shawn Bradley.

How many of these point guards have post games? Not to mention that Nate Robinson is of comparable size, just not height, means that it’s unlikely he’ll be abused in the post anyway. I guess you could make the argument that these PGs will be able to see the floor and see over Robinson, but if that was an absolute difference maker then we’d just roll out a lineup of Roy, Outlaw, Aldridge, Zilla, and Oden.

Would you have preferred we trade Sergio for Sun Yue of LA…? He’s like 6’6" or something…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 14, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Case in point...

Dallas – the unmentioned possible playoff team – plays both Jason Terry and Jose Juan Barea behind J-Kidd… And they’re oompa-loompas.

Phoenix – Steve Nash is listed at 6’3" but he’s closer to my height of 6’1".

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 14, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

well

if we have problems guarding quicker smaller guards this addresses that problem sorta at the expense of the larger guards…which maybe roy or rudy could switch over to.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I'm sorry I missed something here

What trade is the OP talking about can someone provide a link?

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by Idog1976 on Jan 14, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

there is no link

its referring to the breaking news that 955 reported involving a straight up (maybe + fillers) trade involving Sergio to NYK for Nate Robinson. There is no link anywhere as it seems to be a straight rumor.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 7:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Also, Blake very rarely gets into foul trouble

My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(

Let LaMarcus keep the headband!

by inroywetrust on Jan 14, 2009 9:59 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

what trade? update?

Brandon Roy is the Shawn Kemp of monogamy
-BE poster whose name I can't remember

by TheTinfoil on Jan 14, 2009 10:00 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

trade....

He’s talking about the report ESPN just came out with. Sergio for Nate Robinson. Has not been confined yet.

Dan in Troutdale (US American)

KP on 2008 draft, "They've shown extraordinary intelligence, even problem-solving. Especially the big one. We bred eight originally, but when Jerryd came in he took over the pride and killed all but two of the others. That one... when he looks at you, you can tell he's working things out."

by Here come the men in black on Jan 14, 2009 10:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

The playoffs

are a different story all together….more aggressive bball, more x’s and o’s they break a team down more. it’s different and these guys will learn in time.

by NKing on Jan 14, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I dont think his size is a big deal,

he gets a lot of steals. We can always bring in bayless to guard their point. he shut down rose the other night

Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 14, 2009 10:02 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

is that what your girl keeps telling you....joking

dude thats a rookie. I think Portland fans need to learn that the playoffs are not the regular season. it’s WAAAAY different

by NKing on Jan 14, 2009 10:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ha.. very nice! i set myself up

Jerryd plays very solid defense. I dont really see an issue with it. my only concern is that with Nate, it might take away time from Bayless. I wish we had traded sergio for a PF

Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 14, 2009 10:12 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

it probably means they have assessed that Jerryd is just about ready, and will be ready by next year, but they wanted an upgrade for this year. This would be rent-a-player, I suspect.

I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.

by jscot on Jan 14, 2009 10:03 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

so you are assuming

we don’t extend nate?

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:19 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Not if Jerryd continues to progress

I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.

by jscot on Jan 14, 2009 10:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i dont know what to think honestly

i guess the only thing i do know about this is that nate>sergio.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

We already knew that

That’s why he won’t give Sergio any PT.

I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.

by jscot on Jan 14, 2009 10:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

what trade?

Greg Oden, where posters happen.

by ratbastird on Jan 14, 2009 10:07 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

sergio for nate robinson.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

First I've heard of it

but, as Jean-Luc Picard would say, “Make it so.”

I’ve never been a big Nate R. fan. And Sergio would flourish in D’Antoni’s system.

by knickfan on Jan 14, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

we arent either

Sergio will do well, but as a knick fan dont get too mad at his turnovers.. it happens

Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 14, 2009 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i'll take

sergios turnovers over jarrett jacks anyday. a forced turnover from a pass that would have led to an assist vs stepping out of bounds or botching fast breaks.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

well yeah. but that was directed to knickfan

we KNOW what we are getting. :)\

Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 14, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't like it

Nate is a fun player to watch, but I don’t see him adding as much on the court as Sergio given what Portland needs. Of course, this could be Sergio’s relative value around the league right now, but I don’t know about this deal.

Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.

by blazeraddict on Jan 14, 2009 11:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Making room for Bayless

If this trade is true, it is just making room for Bayless next year. With Nate being a FA after this season, I seriously doubt we’re trying to keep him longer then just the next few months.

by OSUSpoon on Jan 14, 2009 10:09 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Seems like a waste to deal a good asset like Sergio for a rental.

Thats what Diogu is for. Deal him for a rental

Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 14, 2009 10:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Did we extend Sergio?

I don’t think Nate Rob is in too high of demand around the league. I wouldn’t be surprised to see him re-signed in the off-season.

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 14, 2009 10:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

Maybe they are doing right by Sergio, giving him to D’Antoni, which doesn’t hurt us since it’s in the East.

I still wanna see more info before we have a billion fanposts about this, though.

M—

by Mortimer on Jan 14, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

M-!

It’s better than a million posts about Miles… At least we’re generally complimenting both players…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 14, 2009 10:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That is true ;-0 <------ winking with mouth open

by Mortimer on Jan 14, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Real Blazers fans love the Miles stuff

It’s better than trade talk.

I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!

by tominhawaii on Jan 14, 2009 10:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I heard KP is dating Miles' ex-girlfriend now

by Mortimer on Jan 14, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I heard that too...

Miles only came back because KP never returned his “secret stash” at the practice facility after he was cut from the team.

I’m over the Miles stuff, if we’re being honest, though. I wish it would’ve came up at the beginning of the season when we were playing 4 games a week. This one or two games a week thing, plus a relatively slow ‘trade rumors’ season has made getting through the work day torture…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 14, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Your fiancee is next

I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!

by tominhawaii on Jan 14, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

What?

Mortimer is KP. It all fits. Mortimer poisoned Duckworth so he could date his girlfriend. He is always mentioning how his fiancée is a black chick. He would know if KP is dating Miles ex because he is KP. His fiancée isn’t next, she was previous.

"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 15, 2009 1:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i like sergio

but i kinda don’t really have a problem with this trade. we win now…nate might be a rental…but he may get extended. i’m just not sure what the long term plans are with blake and bayless.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Keep in mind

how many rebounds Robinson gets for a player of his stature. It’s pretty unbelievable.

Basketbawful has been lamenting that Nate Rob gets more rebounds than Kevin Durant.

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Roy, Roy, Roy!

by joelor on Jan 14, 2009 10:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

on a jumpshooting team...

like ours that could be a big benefit.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

GEEZ WE GET IT YOU LOVE NATE ROBINSON GAWD

Jus’ kidding.

Yeah, Nate is a dynamic player who can do a LOT. An incredible athlete. And very tough. And, if he scores 40+ in a game, no one is surprised— he is capable of HUGE games, huge dunk, huge plays.

It’s just the inbetween games that worry me, plus his ballhoggery. As the backup SG, I’m fine with it, but as the backup PG, I worry— especially when you got Rudy and Travis who also need the ball to do what they do.

Bayles tries to pass to show he will pass, but Nate-Rob doesn’t concern himself with such niceties. He just shoots.

He is a much better player than Sergio, so player value in a vacuum alone, it’s a good deal. And maybe being on a better team with actual stakes that matter will change Nate-Rob’s game.

I still don’t know how I feel. I am not a Sergio booster, but I am conflicted.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jan 14, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree a little...

Bayless has shown a ‘willingness’ to try and pass, but when he’s been effective (Chicago & Boston), it wasn’t because he was finding open cutters and throwing alley-oops.

Right now, Bayless is a pure scorer. So is Nate Robinson. The question is: is Nate Rob a scorer because of the team he’s on (who wouldn’t shoot if they were losing every game under Isiah Thomas?) or is it because that’s who he is as a player?

The year UW almost beat Connecticut in the March Madness tournament, Roy and Nate Rob had a beautiful 1-2 punch. Roy can score, he can create for Robinson, and Nate Rob usually would return the favor (although less regularly as Roy is more apt to defer)….

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 14, 2009 10:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

What I mean is

Right now, Robinson is clearly better and more effective than Bayless.

But Robinson has also never shown a willingness to wanna pass, and Bayless as a rookie has— nevermind the effectiveness, but the effort is there.

I didn’t watch Robinson much in college, but I remember him. I can’t say how he played then though, so maybe he changed his game as a pro.

He’s a big time gunner though, and shoots a lot of bad shots. Maybe it’s because he’s on a bad team, or maybe it is who he is. I ain’t sure… but that IS who he has been, as a pro.

His toughness would be good for us, that’s for sure. As would his ability to create his own shot.

Morty Pie

by Mortimer on Jan 14, 2009 10:46 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

i am conflicted as well

not only for the reasons you mentioned…but i’m just not sure what is going to happen down the road. will nate be extended? that would answer a lot of the questions right there…if he isnt going to be extended then this trade basically gives us an upgrade and a better chance to make the playoffs this year but opens the door for bayless next year. if he does get extended…what are bayless’ and blake’s future with the team?

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Conflicted ???

Trust your instincts Capt. ! Nate R is a ball hog ! He
comes from a disfunctional team, where he was allowed (?)
to do anything he wanted with the ball. Yes, he’s got skills,
but why would we disrupt a wonderful chemistry to add
him to the mix ? We are going to be 10 games over .500
after the 76’ers, and Martell hasn’t played a game. GO, Batuum,
Rudy and BRex haven’t even had 1/2 a season to meld with
the team.
Why make substandard trades for players who may disrupt
our chemistry and would not be signed after the season. Just
because he’s a NW guy and ex-husky ? Give me a break !
How about if we trade Sergio, Frye & RLEC to COINCAST for
the right of all Blazer fans to see Blazer Cable ? Now that would
be a good trade !

COINCAST SUCKS !!!!!!! GO BLAZERS !!!!!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 14, 2009 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Now that I remember he is a "local kid"

I am more against the trade, since I hate hate hate when we go for local kids and use it as a reason to go for the kid.

You have convinced me, my old friend! NO NATE ROB! HE IS FUN TO WATCH BUT ONLY WHEN HE IS ON ANOTHER TEAM!

DOWN WITH COINCAST !!!!!! GO BLAZERS !!!!!!!

Capt. Morty

by Mortimer on Jan 14, 2009 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

If time travel were an option, I’d travel back and
stop the Blazers from signing Mousey !
Remember the hometown furor over sign Portland’s
Mighty Mouse ? I never liked that deal, and more so
when he was getting posted up in the 2000 WCF
by Blobe, over & over & over ! A 5’9" scrapper who
barely averaged one steal a game ? Shoot 1st &
shoot often ! AAAARRRRRGGGGG !!~!!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 14, 2009 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Ball Hogs

I dunno…if we are just comparing Ball Hoggedness…I think I’d rather have our current ballhogs than Nate. Bayless may not provide the same offensive punch as Nate, but at least he “tries” to pass…Nate won’t even try. Trout can at least play off the ball this year and catch and shoot. He’s also learning to play with Rudy as well passing the ball at times.

I’m kinda undecided about this Nate thing. If its straight up..Nate is the better player…but does he fit? I dunno. The only thing he has going for him as far as chemistry is Seattle and Brandon.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I tried to put a trade together

using 3 players from our roster that I think the new coach for NY would like. I don’t think it’s enough, but the trade doesn’t work straight up so other players would need to be included. Anyone have a better trade idea? Surge and Nate would have to be in any proposed trade. :)

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=38327722782275420153025&teams=222222181818&te=&cash=

by parkinglotj on Jan 14, 2009 10:22 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

someone said

that shav and sergio worked.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

nm i guess i shoulda clicked your trade proposal…ehh i dont even think zeke would have made that trade.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

we toss in some second rounders?

I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.

by jscot on Jan 14, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Another possible reason for the trade

is the fact that Robinson was teammates with Roy at UW and that they remain close friends to this day. Perhaps Roy has been putting a bug in Pritchard’s ear about bringing Nate on board.

by knickfan on Jan 14, 2009 10:26 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

I gots me a question

Sergio could develop better offense. BUT—

Don’t you think his complete inability to hit an open jumper or make a layup makes him a POOR fit for D’Antoni ball, which relies on the PG to be an offensive threat?

Obviously Sergio’s passing would be dynamite for D’Antoni, but being able to hit the jumper sets it all up. If he plays major minutes, teams will just play off of him, defend for the pass.

It seems like he’d be a good fit, but I think an average playmaker like Duhon, but who can hit a shot, fits better than a GREAT playmaker like Sergio, who is a brick-tamland-meister.

I dunno.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jan 14, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sergio's never got the attempts he would get in D'Antoni's offense...

But I do agree that the “Sergio is made for D’Antoni’s offense” chants are a little over blown.

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 14, 2009 10:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

it would create a problem

but i’m sure that dantoni could adjust as well as sergio could improve.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Our Spanish friends

would find that to be further confirmation of an anti-Rudy bias on the Blazers.

I would feel bad for Rudy and Sergio if this or another trade split them apart.

Trade not happening? Wow, amlmart , cbd, and kartemax are Los Hombres!

by MiledAnimal on Jan 14, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

SOMEONE AT WORK SAID TRADE WAS A NO GO

FALSE ALARM I GUESS…..THANK GOD

by NKing on Jan 14, 2009 10:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

where'd he/she get this info??

by MattyDread on Jan 14, 2009 10:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dude..

seriously – someone at NKing’s work said it. Why the questions?

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jan 14, 2009 11:38 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs

lol

nice.

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Roy, Roy, Roy!

by joelor on Jan 14, 2009 11:41 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol nice

I just though it’s funny that there are like a hundred of us scouring every source we can find for info on this, but this dude at NKing’s work has all the inside info. Maybe he works for the Knicks or Blazers. :)

by MattyDread on Jan 14, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

or an office with a radio

Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 14, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Dangit....

I’m listening to some BS about baseball on 95.5 the game, just waiting to hear anything about this. C’mon, if it’s dead, say it’s dead!

by MattyDread on Jan 14, 2009 10:42 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

When and where was this reported?

I don’t see anything anywhere else about a Nate/Sergio deal

by EngineerScotty on Jan 14, 2009 10:44 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

955 courtesy of espn.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

s/ I found some wildly stimulating discussion on Realgm\s

Rudy, Rudy, Rudy,
Roy, Roy, Roy!

by joelor on Jan 14, 2009 10:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't care about their height as much as the fact that they're bad defenders.

Blake and Robinson, that is. If they’re bad defenders it doesn’t matter much how tall they are.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:01 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

as much as a good defender makes sense

we should be open minded enough to realize that for as good as Tony Parker is…he is a bad defender as well and has a couple rings.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 11:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Sure.

I just think worrying about that fact that NateRob is 5’9’’ is a little silly. If you’re going to worry about defense, worry about defense—not height.

I’m actually not too worried if this is true. NateRob can put up points. And it’s hard for other players to shoot through trees if they get by him. Call me open minded.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

agreed

height isn’t necessarily the most important factor in relation to defense. cp3 is a prime example.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 11:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you are comparing CP3 and nate robinson.

by NKing on Jan 14, 2009 11:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

no, he's not

he is simply stating that height isn’t related to the defensive ability of a PG and then he gave an example of that.

I just hate when people make their own inference or conclusion and then claim it as someone else’s

"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"

by Magnum on Jan 14, 2009 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

who’s doing that?

by NKing on Jan 14, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

thanks mags

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ok what kind of defense has he provided in his career besides that block on yao? (that doesn’t happen every game.) Blazer fans are not used to the playoffs…it’s been a while. The defense turns up, scouting reports are more intense, everything for that matter is more intense. I can’t believe your sticking up for a 5-9 OFFENSIVE minded player in a defensive/playoff conversation.

by NKing on Jan 14, 2009 11:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

an upgrade is an upgrade

if you aren’t getting better in the west then you are going to get left behind. there are only a handful of guys who can slow down cp3, harris, williams, and parker…i dont think anyone can shut one of those guys out for an entire playoff series. chances are even if you had a strong defensive pg…you are going to hang onto him. its not ideal…but our NEXT best solution maybe to match them basket for basket. i’m not saying that robinson is the answer to all of our problems…but he can contribute and he is a decent upgrade over sergio. as good defensively as cp3 is…even he couldn’t slow down parker in the playoffs. the best he could have done is match baskets with the man.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you responding to me?

I’m not defending anyone. Good lord. I simply think it’s silly to knock his height. If you’re going to talk about defense, talk about defense. Not the fact that we’ll have a shorter guy defending slightly taller guys. I can’t believe you can’t believe I’m sticking up for somebody here … ‘cause I’m not.

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jan 14, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

instead of

reading our posts clearly he is just attacking us bc we dont agree with him. i don’t think you or i even mentioned anything about nate robinson being a good defender. i’ll help him out…we are talking about how SIZE IS NOT A NECESSARY PREREQUISITE IN GOOD DEFENSE.

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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait ...

You mean there are people in here who don’t read what we’re actually writing?

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jan 14, 2009 1:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

No need to shout, son.

Anyone remember the old NBA One-On-One challenge they had back in the 1970s during All-Star weekend? I’ll never forget seeing 6’4", 190-lb. Geoff Petrie beat 6’11", 260-lb. Bob Lanier in the semi-finals.

by MiledAnimal on Jan 14, 2009 1:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That sounds awesome

I didn’t know they had a one on one challenge during the all star weekend! That’s aweome!

They should bring that back, it’d be really fun to watch. Yao vs Nate Robinson could be fun, to stay on topic.

Players would really be trying so that they save face and look good.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jan 14, 2009 2:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, the League dropped it

after a couple of seasons, despite its popularity with fans, for some lame reason. There used to be cries for them to bring it back every year around the All-Star break but hardly anyone brings it up anymore.

by MiledAnimal on Jan 14, 2009 3:06 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Bill Simmons tries to revive it, and I think the Basketball Jones too

On one of the last podcasts a reader/viewer/listener send in an idea of matching up the best scorers and all-defense players from the last season. I would definitely watch something like this as a one on one or two on two.

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 3:10 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

You said Yao vs. Mousey # 2 . . .

in the same sentence ! Now that’s fun !!!

almost as fun as . . .

DOWN WITH COINCAST !!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Jan 14, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I apoligize

Just trying to get my point across since after a few posts w/B Fan Mr. Nking still didn’t understand where we were coming from.

As far as the 1 on 1 thing, I wasn’t even born back then but it sounds like a fun competition. I even kinda miss the senior game.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 7:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Of course, nothing will ever top

Charles Barkley racing Dick Bavetta.

by MiledAnimal on Jan 14, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

aye

that was great

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Nate can block Yao Ming ;-)

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 11:20 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

Speaking of Yao, rumor has it he has asked the Rockets to trade T-Mac

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 11:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's get him

to play SF. Then we can have two starting SFs out injured at once.

I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.

by jscot on Jan 14, 2009 11:49 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

That's exactly what Sam Smith is rumor mongering, in a three-way deal with Chicago

The other possibility I’ve heard speculated regarding the Trailblazers, though I don’t see it myself, is a multi-team deal with Tracy McGrady going there and Hinrich ending up in Houston. If McGrady could improve from his knee issues it could be a heck of a veteran addition for a young team on the brink. And it’s seemed more and more lately that McGrady’s lineup uncertainty is baffling the Rockets. You’ve got to say, in any case, Portland is an interesting franchise.

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/smith_090112.html

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 11:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

not to take anything away from tracy

but if i wanted a veteran…he’s not exactly my ideal choice. id like a vet to bring poise and playoff experience to the table.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

He has experience, yet only in the first round ;-)
And of course his health is a huge issue. When healthy he is still top 5-10 at least on his position. Does he or doesn’t he play today would become a big topic on BE.

by Norsktroll on Jan 14, 2009 12:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

first round

my point exactly.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 12:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps he could become an injury magnet?

All the bad injuries that could affect Roy, LA, Oden, Rudy, etc. would be redirected to McGrady.

I’d rather not lose Joel & B-Rex, thanks.

by DonkeyShins on Jan 14, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the fact that Smith mentions that ...

he DOESN’T see this happening makes it an even stronger possibility. Has this guy ever been right about anything? I think he just dreams up trades that he thinks would work and then passes them off as rumors …

"These are dreams that we have." --Rudolfo Fernandez

by bfan on Jan 14, 2009 12:52 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah its time

it’s time for 95.5 to either take back what they said or go all in with the story… you cant make that statement and then sit on the fence and ignore the story. gotta let us know whats going on.

by JRRIDER on Jan 14, 2009 11:30 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

LmA will be on Jim Rome soon.

"When I have the ball, I experiment." #5

by Sabonis4Ever on Jan 14, 2009 11:35 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

If this happens, I think our second unit will be

Nate
Jerryd
Rudy
Travis
Joel

by Jiggamant on Jan 14, 2009 11:38 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

if that was the case

i dont think we’d ever see a deep 10-15 man rotation. nate, jerryd, and travis all need the ball to create for themselves. they are all perfectly capable of creating and scoring…but i just think if it came down to it we would have a more traditional substitution scheme rather than having 5 bench players on the court every game.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 11:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Do the deal!

Will give you points off the bench

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on Jan 14, 2009 11:39 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

What about Calderon?

I don’t really think he is available but you can’t blame me for trying
:-)

by trailblazersfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:51 AM PST reply actions 0 recs

i think kp tried

and he we weren’t even in the ballpark with our offer compared to what they gave him. well now i’m not sure if it was kp trying or if it was just BE talk.

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 11:53 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

what do you think about the trade proposals I’ve offered?

by trailblazersfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

you should forward it to KP

The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever

by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 12:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

by trailblazersfan on Jan 14, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Here is a variant on this deal

by trailblazersfan on Jan 14, 2009 11:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs

ignore the last post

here is the variant I am thinking of

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=3416275420153025279429872806&teams=28292828282922&te=&cash=

by trailblazersfan on Jan 14, 2009 12:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Someone put a link up!

"Great Oden's raven!" - Ron Burgandy

by danevan on Jan 14, 2009 12:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

link for trade....

Nate for Sergio? There are unconfirmed reports out there that the Portland Trail Blazers have traded point guard Sergio Rodriguez to New York for point guard Nate Robinson. This was reported by 95.5 The Game in Portland – owned by Paul Allen, owner of the Blazers. HOOPSWORLD is checking contacts in Portland and New York and will update as needed.

UPDATE – an hour later: Sources from within both the Blazers and Knicks are calling this just talk and that there is no truth to this.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=11222

Dan in Troutdale (US American)

KP on 2008 draft, "They've shown extraordinary intelligence, even problem-solving. Especially the big one. We bred eight originally, but when Jerryd came in he took over the pride and killed all but two of the others. That one... when he looks at you, you can tell he's working things out."

by Here come the men in black on Jan 14, 2009 12:14 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs

that trade doesn't even work

come on KP you should know better!

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=27823025&teams=2218&te=&cash=

by trailblazersfan on Jan 14, 2009 12:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

include shav and it works just fine

by danielfarrell on Jan 14, 2009 1:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

Beat me to it.

by PoliSam on Jan 14, 2009 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

2 problems in aquiring Nate Robinson

1. He does not meet team character identity. Recall his involvement in an on-court fight. he has an alpha dog tough guy personality which is good but doesn’t really fit our culture. Moreover, Brandon has stated that he deferred to Nate in college and did not come into his own until after Nate left UW. Nate Robinson would have to take a back set to Brandon and that may be questionable for Nate to do.

2. He eats up cap space after this season. Just like Frye and Diaogu, if Nate is not extended or waived outright , then he eats up precious cap-space this summer. I doubt we do any trade that limits our options in the future for possible short-term gain.

by NWfan on Jan 14, 2009 1:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs

"Culture..."

That’s kind of hard to define, right? We’re still in the business of winning basketball games… Nate’s roll in the fight was that he stood up for a teammate after a cheap shot, which isn’t nearly as bad as throwing an open handed punch and running away like Carmelo Anthony did.

You’re projecting that Nate wouldn’t defer to Brandon Roy, but there’s a news flash here – Brandon Roy has emerged as a top tier player in the NBA. Would Nate also refuse to defer to Lebron James? Kobe Bryant? I think Team USA showed (when everyone knew that Kobe was taking over the 4th quarter of the Gold Medal game) that, at some point, every player will defer if they think there’s a definitively better player on the court and this would be amplified by the fact that Nate-Rob and Roy are friends.

He would eat up cap space, yes, but in terms of pure scorers/play makers who can come off the bench, how many better players are out there than Nate Robinson? Sure there’s a few (Barbosa, Ginobili) but he’s young, quick, strong, and has a history with our best player. Also, it’s unlikely now that Miles is back on the cap, that we wait until this summer to make our big move. We just won’t have enough cap space to do so.

It’s more likely that all altercations with the roster from here on out are done with the trade and the draft…

"Now, you take a bobcat or a Jayhawk. You know they'll run if you give 'em the chance. But when one don't run, why, you shoot him and shoot him quick. Raef's my dog, Pa. I've gotta do what's right..." Old Yeller (1957)

by RoyGoesTheDynamite on Jan 14, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs