UPDATE 2: Tis so Sweet: Welcome to the NBA, Mr. Bayless, aka HUMAN HIGHLIGHT FILM (BAYLESS FTW)
[Note from Ben: Title shortened due to length.]
Bayless time has officially arrived. Portland needs to make room in the rotation for him - RIGHT NOW.
Tonight's performance was spectacular. 7 points in 6 minutes. "Acrobatic drives" is an understatement. Bayless is where "Hang-time-wait-more-hang-time-and-you-just-fouled-me" happens. The guy played so well tonight he deserves a minimum of at least 15 minutes a night.
It's time for Sergio to pack his bags. He's had enough time to prove himself, and hasn't. I wish him the best, but we need to make room for J-Bay. When Sergio was playing tonight and made another silly-Sergio-mistake, the Chicago TV announcers said, "my goodness, you'd think he would know not to do that." Sergio has had enough time in Portland. Time to trade him.
The only way to make room for J-Bay is to have him take Sergio's minutes, like he did tonight during the 2nd half. Bayless is a special player - you can tell it in the way he moves on the court. I don't know why Nate keeps fiddling around with Sergio when he has a player like Bayless.
If both Bayless and Oden make steady improvement from now till the end of the season, we might make the 2nd round of the playoffs this year - that's how much Bayless counts for us.
Update 1:
Hello everyone,
I appreciate the comments in this discussion. Some of you have done a nice job of raising different perspectives in this debate. Here is an article just posted on O-Live (J Quick) talking about the same issue.
I spoke to three team sources about this issue last night in Philly. The consensus seems to be what Quick wrote. Sergio is better at running the offense, but this is it. There weren't a lot of positive remarks given towards him - one coach rolled his eyes, and I know he was being honest, as I know his family pretty well and have seen this person in multiple contexts. However, when the conversation changed to Bayless, both had a lot more to say, using words like "great potential" and "has showed in practice what he can do - it's incredible." Thus, I think Portland is pretty high on Bayless. Nonetheless, they are giving plenty of opportunity to Sergio.
Update 2:
Unbelievable. BaylessFTW. This kid belongs. Any doubters? 23 points, 3 assists, 3 rebounds, 11-11 FT, 6-9 FGA/FGM . Make room for this kid in the rotation. He belongs. This is a breakout game for him. He was incredible - posterizing the nets with a dunk + foul is where "why we drafted you and your the summer league MVP" HAPPENS. This is the NBA, baby. Welcome Rex!!!!! Vote him in for the all-star team - do it now, Portland, vote him!!!
Go Blazers!!!
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unrek
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 12, 2009 8:11 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Gentlemen, start your engines!
It took us long enough to degenerate into point guard controversy! What is it, like halfway through the season?
by kickbrass on Jan 13, 2009 9:25 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you just wait, young man!
You just wait until your SergioFTW gets home!
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by MT Suit on Jan 12, 2009 8:13 PM PST reply actions 10 recs
lmao
lolololololol
He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants
by Idog1976 on Jan 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Great Dane hasn't been under my saddle for a couple weeks, which indicates he may no longer be among the living...
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 13, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
go green
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 12, 2009 11:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you forget
hotstuff here flipflops to extreme’s more than anyone else on this board. i really could care less about what he says.
"It's like, 'Urrrrrrgh!'" Rodriguez says, his cupped hands turning into fists. "It is a good feeling. Good feeling."
by sergioFTW on Jan 13, 2009 9:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Hotty used to be a Sergio fan, actually....
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 13, 2009 9:28 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
depends on the day of the week
he can always be counted on to go to great hyperbole based on the last 24 minutes of Blazer basketball.
"It's like, 'Urrrrrrgh!'" Rodriguez says, his cupped hands turning into fists. "It is a good feeling. Good feeling."
by sergioFTW on Jan 13, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not extreme....
me?? To me, Sergio needs time right now more than any other player to develop. Unfortunately, there is no time on the current roster. I think Bayless is simply better for the minutes that are already there. Sergio needs more than these minutes and he’s not going to get them… one option would be to give him his time by sending him to the D-league for development…. i think this could actually really help him as he would get extended minutes and would either end the debate about his NBA ability, or keep it going.
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 13, 2009 10:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
too old for dleague..
you only have a limited window
Blazer fans tell me, where were you,
When our Brandon Roy dropped 52?
by GreatOden'sRaven on Jan 13, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you sorta are to the extreme
look at what you wrote about bayless being a better passer and having better vision than sergio…instead of getting down on sergio you say ask for his head by saying he should pack his bags.
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 6:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
so my metaphors may be extreme to you
but they just make my point…. i think bayless is better than sergio 1 on 1…. way better… as far as 5 on 5, take away rudy in that mix and there is no argument in my mind that bayless is a much better player head-to-head -
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 13, 2009 7:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think you can make any argument
that will make people believe that bayless is the better passer and has more court vision when compared to sergio. if you’d like to prove me wrong then post a poll.
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 7:57 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You are correct, sir!
Sergio even sees things that aren’t there.
It is obvious that having Sergio on the team has helped showcase Rudy’s skills. Without Sergio, I don’t know that anyone but Blake would have tried passing the ball to him.
So Sergio has a role this year. Unless we are looking at a Pritch-slap ingredient, I think Sergio stays. A little healthy competition for back-up is non-suck.
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by LaoTzu on Jan 14, 2009 12:20 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
trades
i think your right on in regards to pritch slapping. i just think it should apply to all of our players and not just sergio. since we have the upper hand right now why make trades for the sake of making trades? its not like we are in a slump and need a catalyst. however if theres going to be a KG/Pau Gasolish lopsided type trade…then throw in whoever.
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 1:02 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rudy sergio and channling for one kevin durant.
darn it.
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by faith on Jan 14, 2009 1:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
who needs a bench if we had KD right?
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 1:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
okay
i’ll give sergio an edge on passing…. i think the jury is still out on court vision… i’ve seen bayless make some nice plays, really nice ones – like that drive and dish to outlaw, who then hit that crucial 3 against Boston at home a few weeks ago…. remember that Boston game? That was a sweet Bayless performance…. yes, his court vision might not be equal or better than sergio, but it’s not miles away
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 14, 2009 7:35 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
LMFAO
wow, you make me feal like im really learning alot about basket ball, and ive really only been watching hard since the back half of 06-07. sergio see plays on the court that bayless mey never see unless watching game tape at half speed, three times in a row. sergio and rudy are the only two gaurds that can leed to the basket with any regular success, and when it duznt work, its usually the recipients fault.
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 14, 2009 1:23 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree about sergio and rudy...
i’m not denouncing this combo – see my other comments…
The point with Rudy and Sergio, is that yes, they are good together, but they are not good enough yet to dominate the game, either one or the other, or together – therefore, it’s not much loss to see sergio replaced in the rotation at this point with another player – IMO
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 14, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
im not even talking about them together
im saying that they are the only two who can regularly lead a cutter to the basket with the pass. and to your point about rudy and sergio not being good enough to dominate the gaem, well neither is bayless. look, i like bayless two, but your not really coming off objectivly, thats all
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 14, 2009 12:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Better passer?
Get over yourself. His A/T ratio rivals Travis Outlaws, which as we know, is awful. Also, since he’s so good at driving to the hoop he should have a lot more easy kickouts than Sergio does.
by Zaig on Jan 14, 2009 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio is twenty times better......
in court vision and passing than Bayless, bare in mind i am a huge Bayless fan and dont think to highly of Sergio. Bayless: great offensive player and defender but not your “proto-type” PG. Rodriguez : Great passer and floor leader but cant guard my grandma or score on her either. That would be your abreviated scouting report on those two. How on earth you could say J-Bay is not too far off of sergio is quite frankly nuts. If you put Sergio on the NY knicks and he played 35 minutes a game he would average 6pts and 18assists a game, I mean Chris Duhon has more assists per game this year than probly at any point in his life. Duhon is closer to Bayless than Sergio skill wise. I mean come on chicago dumped him for the simple reason they had Hinrich, Gordon and then picked up Rose in the draft…….no need for a score first PG. My point being i think you should observe players and remain objective.
by blazerbeliever97504 on Jan 15, 2009 3:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio will be busy dribbling and passing while Jbay is busy dropping 20
No reason to keep J-Bay back – - who cares how many passes there were when you are running back up court with your 2 points…Sergio is a wonderful player…definitely has a future in the league . . .J-Bays skill set comes along only every once in awhile…its time
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by LetsBlaze on Jan 16, 2009 12:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hot stuff
was the most anti sergio fan…i liked debating the pros and cons about sergio with you more than him back then…all of a sudden he kinda stopped crapping on sergio and then came along board the bandwagon this year during the preseason…i guess now hes off it again. at least your consistent timbo. i dunno i’m finding myself sharing more common ground with you lately…at least to the point where i can hold a conversation.
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 6:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i appreciate this comment...
i was less anti-sergio because it seemed like i was really bugging some people here… in the early part of this season, i actually had my life-line open for sergio, but now, i just can’t find much positive to his game on our squad… i think he needs more playing time – somewhere
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 13, 2009 7:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't need to be anti Sergio to want to get J-Bay on the court
A player who can take the ball all by himself and score will win out over who someone who can’t …period…With a lineup (noting Blake injury) of Roy Rex Oden LMA and Trav you have five people who can do that….frankly that is indefenseable even by all your phantom lock-down-defenders I hear tell of….doesn’t mean theres anything wrong with Sergio, just that Jerryd is here – - he has to play
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by LetsBlaze on Jan 16, 2009 12:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you don't
i want Jerryd to play too…don’t get me wrong, but its pretty obvious that some of the statements he made cannot even be backed up by Bayless fans.
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 16, 2009 6:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think thats a bit quick
What about the several previous games where the exact opposite happened. I think Bayless will be better than Sergio, in Nates game, but it takes more than one good game. Or even two.
by twggyy on Jan 12, 2009 8:14 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
this is my own opinion, but
it’s pretty obvious that Bayless is way better than sergio out there. Sergio just doesn’t have a basketball fit. I disagree with everyone that says he’s improved this year. I think he’s actually gotten worse.
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
worse?
I think you would be hard pressed to convince most anyone of that.
by twggyy on Jan 12, 2009 9:14 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
'worse' may be an overstatement...
i just don’t think he’s done a whole lot of improvement…. some things yes, others no…
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 13, 2009 3:48 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
way better at what?
Defense: Bayless is much better
Running a team: Sergio is much better
They have such different skill sets it is really difficult to make a direct comparison.
I will say this and that is that the Bulls are the perfect team for Bayless to look great against as he will always be defending a guard, Rose, Hinrich, or Gordon, that is about his same size and his willingness to go over a screen is a great asset against at least 2 of these guards. Also, the bulls play extremely weak defense so Bayless’ ability to drive and finish look amazing against this porous defense.
Dont worry soon enough we will play a team with a poor outside shooting pg, but with decent interior defense and Sergio will look fantastic as he is able to find open guys and run the pick and roll a lot better than Bayless.
Also, can we all agree that J-Bay, or JayBay is the most effeminate nickname around and should be put out of use? I just like to call him Bayless. I cant tolerate all the variations on TRex, but JBay esque names are just nails on the chalk board.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jan 13, 2009 10:16 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I like T-Rex ro the Face,
but JayBay makes me want to put on something frilly
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 13, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"JayBay" is GaySay -- not that there's anything wrong with that.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 13, 2009 7:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nothing wrong with it if you're a homophobic frat boy
and you want to hurl epithets to disguise your homoerotic tendencies
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by MT Suit on Jan 15, 2009 10:54 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
**** smooooch!!! ****
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 15, 2009 7:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
its kind of hard to compare them because they each bring a unique set of skills to the table. ideally i’d love for nate to use them situationally.
as far as nicknames go…you are right, but a lot of the BE nicknames are only used bc they are catchy but would never work in real life…such as Trout or LMA.
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as a PG? No way.
Bayless is good, I’m just afraid he’s a 2 in a 1’s body. In a perfect world, I keep both on my roster.
Catalina-Wine-Mixer.
by ArbyOSU on Jan 13, 2009 1:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Really? I mean... REALLY??!
Sergio just doesn’t have a basketball fit. I disagree with everyone that says he’s improved this year. I think he’s actually gotten worse.
No one is going to buy garbage like this that clearly isn’t true. If you want people to buy what you’re trying to sell, at least make it halfway realistic. That comment is garbage on so many levels, and if you’re really an objective person, you yourself have to admit that’s just a blatant lie.
by as11osu on Jan 13, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Lie or simple idiocy?
You decide.
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by LaoTzu on Jan 14, 2009 12:24 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
poll?
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 14, 2009 1:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to flip flop more on sergio
than john mccain did during his campaign.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 8:18 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
nah....
i just think bayless has outplayed Sergio the past 5 games and deserves more. I don’t think Nate should split their minutes between the two. Bayless should be rewarded for his strong play right now… if he stinks up the court, then yes, pull him. But right now, he’s got a few miles on sergio.
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 12, 2009 8:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i just dont see what this post proves
i understand you like bayless, and i do too, but why does it have to be at the expense of sergio? its kinda like kicking someone while they are down.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 8:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks but
one of these guys is going to constantly be on the short end of the PT stick, barring an injury to Blake. Sergio is a good player, but do you ever see him as the starting (or for that matter, ever getting more than 20 mpg) on a Nate coached team? I think a lot of people, myself included, see Sergio as both valuable (to the right team of course) and expendable given the Blazers roster/style of play going forward.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 9:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
A 3 PG rotation won’t work, especially with Brandon consistently playing the last 8 minutes or so of ballgames at PG. There aren’t enough minutes to go around
My HDTV is a torrented game that I can watch lag-free :(
Let LaMarcus keep the headband!
by inroywetrust on Jan 13, 2009 12:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why not a 2 pg rotation
with the 2nd pg being a situational player?
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 6:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
any player playing is at the "expense" of someone else... if i recommend X player it necessitates that Y
player will given less if not any time…. i don’t really understand your comment…. on any sports team, the athletes compete for positions that are at the expense of others – nature of competition
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 13, 2009 12:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats not necessarily true
Bayless’ success does not have to imply that Sergio is failing. A basketball lineup isn’t exactly PG, SG, SF, PF, C…it can be combinations of those things…hybrid positions…etc. Bayless and Sergio can succeed together as long as Nate provides them with roles to fill and the opportunity for them to succeed in those roles. Bayless and Sergio have played in the same lineup together…with albeit limited success, but it can work out in the end. Many have said that Rudy and Roy will never work…and while we haven’t seen them dominate together it has been pretty much a staple of our closing unit. I don’t see why a 3 guard lineup featuring Bayless and Sergio cannot succeed given time.
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i see what your trying to say, but
both Jason Quick and Mike Rice have made the same remarks about one of these players filling in for the other… in fact, in Quick’s most recent podcast, he makes a direct statement that either sergio or bayless will win this backup spot, and the minutes won’t go to both.
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 13, 2009 7:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
its a lose lose situation
Sergio already won the spot…people complained that bayless wasnt getting any PT…and now that he is…people are complaining that it isnt enough?
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by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 7:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't this the nature of competition??
we would have the same conversation about anyone on this roster who could take the spot of somebody else…. there’s no way to accommodate everybody
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 14, 2009 7:39 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
When will you learn not to take what Quick says as gospel?
This is my first season here and I know better – - – dude….really . . . :-)
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by LetsBlaze on Jan 16, 2009 12:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
seriously?
I wanted to be sarcastic but I cant muster the effort.
Bayless+Sergio ==>severely lacking offensive firepower relative to ANY PG SG combo we could otherwise form.
Bayless+Sergio is the weakest defensive duo we could throw at opposing guards.
You don’t see how this couldn’t succeed given time? Either you’re blind, or you think Stephen Hill could succeed given time. Or maybe if we played Chris Dudley even more he would become David Robinson-like.
Oh wait. there’s that sarcasm :)
by nima on Jan 15, 2009 10:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Last 5 games?
You mean 3 games of 1/14 shooting, one decent stint of 7 minutes, and a decent stint of 2 minutes tonight?
by Zaig on Jan 12, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, John McCain
He was such a Bayless cheerleader during the Summer League, and then he totally went Sergio after the complaints about playing time. If McCain couldn’t stand up to Sergio’s agent, how was he going to stand up to Ahmadinejad? I think that’s where he lost the election right there.
by Kaboomm on Jan 12, 2009 9:28 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You'd think McCain would have Bayless' back
since they’re both from Arizona …
by kickbrass on Jan 13, 2009 9:26 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
do you remember when he picked
Lute Olson as his running mate. What a mistake that was.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jan 13, 2009 10:18 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Kerry > Mccain
in the flip flopping department
by prezofdeath on Jan 12, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
they're pretty even to me, though i'm sure someone can search the internets and find someone that counted
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by Zaron5551 on Jan 12, 2009 9:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
your right
i wanted to use kerry…but mccain was the more recent example.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 9:55 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
personally
I want a candidate who never changes his opinions no matter what new evidence is presented. Terrorists won’t be stopped by ‘facts’ or ‘truth’. We can’t feed the poor with understanding and compromise. It’s too hard to be morally outraged over sex education and gay marriage if you’re busy weighing the merits of every side of an issue, besides, that just wastes valuable time that can be spent on soundbites and blind accusations. And you can’t frighten people into going green to stop Global Warming if you’re bothering to take time to explain the economic costs of reducing carbon emissions.
Any candidate who can blindly follow his or her party’s dogma without considering any alternatives or new information is the kind of strong leadership I want and this country NEEDS. I don’t want to hear about bipartisanship or reaching across the aisle….I just want to feel SAFE and SUPERIOR.
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by Magnum on Jan 13, 2009 12:42 AM PST up reply actions 7 recs
right....never let facts sway your opinion! That would be weak!
"..[Travis Outlaw] could jump, grab a rafter, eat a sandwich, and then dunk.."
tmundal 12/30/07
by LetsBlaze on Jan 13, 2009 9:58 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
this man knows what he's talking about
"It’s a good ol’ fashioned Rip City beat down!"
by Magnum on Jan 13, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
not this garbage
I feel like I am watching the 2004 RNC convention again.
Can we not reference politically shady tactics that are designed to sweep over the issues with broad generalizations. One of the cool things about BE is that when someone posts something that is not well thought out everyone jumps on board to clear things up.
BE, at its best, is the opposite of modern day politics.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jan 13, 2009 10:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I was for politically shady tactics
before I was against it
"...we have so many experts who think that you have to play defense, you have to rebound, you have to be a possession coach, you have to execute. I just laugh. Explosive offense is not as intimidating as dominant defense. But it is scary when you don't know how to stop someone." - George Karl, Nuggets coach
by jamon51 on Jan 13, 2009 4:38 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I missed the first half
of the game but my impression of Bayless is – 2 guard yes. Point guard – no, at least not yet. Bayless still makes rookie mistakes like tonight with the pass to Aldridge in the post that was easily stolen. Plus a few others. Not the guy we want running the offense. No way does he see the floor like Sergio…
by lethaldose on Jan 12, 2009 8:22 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sergio doesn't see the floor...
he’s horrible at passing while driving down the lane. He puts his head down and nearly 70% of the time throws up an unbalanced shot or commits a turnover… J-Bay creates, passes, executes – yes, he may not be a PG, but he sure can do a whole heck of a lot more than sergio
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 12, 2009 8:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
dude, you're clearly in hater mode, so to i'm going to ignore you. Sergio see's the floor better than Bayless, that is a fact.
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
by Zaron5551 on Jan 12, 2009 8:43 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Sergio's relatives are emailing Casey
about all the haters in Portland.
by MiledAnimal on Jan 12, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol...i can't wait to read the article
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
by Zaron5551 on Jan 12, 2009 9:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think most of us see Bayless as the future but to make the claim he is better at seeing the floor or running the offense is just wrong
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 12, 2009 9:12 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless is a better long term fit
than Sergio, imo. Sergio needs to be in an uptempo system and, Warrior game to the contrary, that will not be Nate’s base offense. I think Sergio is a solid backup PG, but if he can be flipped for a strong backup PF, it needs to be looked at. Besides, he won’t be happy with spot minutes and unless the Blazers bounce Blake in his option year (not happening) this year’s mpg are probably his ceiling in Portland. Basically, if D’Antoni is in love with him to the point where he’ll send David Lee, that’s a deal I make yesterday.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 8:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
ugh
so we can overpay drastically to resign Lee in 6 months to be a backup 4/5 getting 15-20 minutes a game?
I like Lee if we got him two years ago. Now, it’s just way too much to pay for the time he’s gonna get n the court. Better off finding a Lee-like hustle guy at the 4/5 in the draft.
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Jan 12, 2009 9:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
Forget abot Lee like we forgot about Calderon. He is not 10 million.
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 12, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
worth*
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 12, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
i can’t picture lee coming now…but if he woulda came last year it would have been a diff story.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 9:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Or from Spain
We got Freeland available this summer
by danielfarrell on Jan 13, 2009 5:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The miles situation
could potentially mean he is not a Blazer next year. Especially if we are able to land a 1 that we really like. If we have inroads on someone who is not a 1 then Blake stays, but he and Travis are the guys we can dump to get some extra cap space if needed.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jan 13, 2009 10:26 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to dump the guy who won the freaking game for us last night.
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 13, 2009 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
While Sergio would be best in a more uptempo season, he’s still the right quarterback for our 2nd unit. Bayless is best as a scorer. He has shown no ability to play the point. Long term, as we’ve discussed ad nauseum, Bayless could be a great fit next to Roy with the 1st unit, but for now he’s just 20 and Blake is doing a solid job in that spot.
The 2nd unit’s ball movement is much much better with Sergio at PG than with Bayless. I am fine with Rex getting ~5 minutes per game as a 2 guard (at least on offense) but Sergio still should get 15-20 mpg in my opinion.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 12, 2009 8:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
more uptempo *team*
I have no idea why I wrote “more uptempo season” in my first sentence.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 12, 2009 8:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think they can coexist
we tend to go small with that 2nd unit anyways.
Sergio, B Rex, Rudy, Trout, (LMA/Pryz/Go)
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 9:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i wouldn't say "NO" ability
I mean, I’m sure he’s passed at least once or twice.
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Jan 13, 2009 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Plus tonight his defense was horrible
Rose used him just as much as Bayless used Rose. At least it was somewhat of a push.
"I saw him in the face" Sergio's quote on the latest alley-oop to Rudy.
by blazermaniac32 on Jan 12, 2009 8:54 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I thought Hinrich looked good.
Just saying…
It’s nice to see a PG who is quick enough to stay in front of smaller guards, but still long enough to defend guys like Roy. (which he did a fine job on BTW) It was his first game of the season and he didn’t get into a good rhythm offensively, but defensively he still looks dynamite.
Now the hordes of Sergio/Bayless partisans will descend upon me in a cloud of rage for my blasphemy.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 12, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Once Kirk Hinrich gets back into form, he's the guy who should be targeted by Kevin Pritchard with ...
Raef LaFrentz’s heavily insured expiring contract as the bait. I’ve held that position for a long time, though.
by AK1984 on Jan 12, 2009 9:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
as have i, go get him KP
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
by Zaron5551 on Jan 12, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm all for Hinrich
We’ll have to give up Blake or Sergio (most likely Sergio) to get him and make room at that position. I don’t want to give up Bayless I think it would be like giving up Petrovich
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 12, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
if i was chi
i’d take blake to back up rose rather than try to develop rose and sergio at the same time.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my idea.
FROM CHICAGO & TO PORTLAND
PG Kirk Hinrich
PF Cedric Simmons
FROM PORTLAND & CHICAGO
PF Raef LaFrentz
PG Sergio Rodriguez
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=198130304543025&teams=222244&te=&cash=
Let’s do it to it!
by AK1984 on Jan 12, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
do it!
Blake
Rudy
Travis
off the bench is a lethal 3 point shooting lineup
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
by Zaron5551 on Jan 12, 2009 9:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eventually it will be
Blake
Rudy
Webster
Travis
1,2,3,4 now that is a lethal 3 point shooting lineup
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 12, 2009 10:40 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Nobody say Prtichslap otherwise Pax won’t pick up the phone :)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 9:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, I know that you're not the biggest Kirk Hinrich fan on the planet.
It nevertheless seems like Hinrich is the best available option, though.
by AK1984 on Jan 12, 2009 9:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's really not
Steve Blake is highly preferable to Hinrich in when salary and assets given up are considered. Its not really close either. Not to mention the fact in 2 years either Sergio or Bayless will likely be better than Hinrich anyway. Going for Hinrich would be a big time no-no.
by as11osu on Jan 12, 2009 10:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hinrich
isn’t meant to be our long term solution to PG…its meant to be a short term upgrade until someone else can step up at PG. Hopefully in 3 years Bayless, Sergio, or someone else can step up and fill in that role.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 10:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If all you get is a short term upgrade, just stay with Blake.
by raoulduke on Jan 12, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
There’s no crisis at point guard. Don’t make a change unless it’s the right change.
by Kaboomm on Jan 12, 2009 10:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i also don't think our biggest need is pg
i’m content with blake as is, but if there are other options available then kp should consider what is on the table. with the way blake is playing right now tho…its hard to find someone who provides more than blake at his value. it shouldn’t really be a priority to get rid of him as he provides us stability and his contract is very manageable.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 10:39 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the thing is
that most legit pgs can’t be had for a price we are willing to pay talent wise. any team that has a worthy PG will usualy hang onto that guy. getting an upgrade at pg may not help our team that much….but if that person could push and mentor the pgs we have in the pipeline or help us get passed the first round in the playoffs then the experience will be worth the upgrade.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 10:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Philthy, your voice sounds totally different with that picture imo.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 13, 2009 7:37 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You are right. It isn't close.
Hinrich is basically Blake + superb defense – 4.7 million in salary cap. That sounds like a great deal. That’s like paying Blake 4.7 million more(9.5 million total) and suddenly he becomes one of the top 10 defensive point guards in the league.That would be a hard deal to pass up.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 12, 2009 10:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
since defensive pgs
are kinda rare…they all command a bit more money than the avg pg. its hard finding a defensive pg that has a reasonable contract. at least reasonable compared to blake. actually at blakes contract he is a bit of a steal.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly right.
It is worth it and then some.
I heart taxes.
by everett on Jan 13, 2009 7:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I like it
I also like Gerald Wallace though.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 12, 2009 9:56 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Gerald Wallace would add a bigger boost than Kirk Hinrich, but I'm more inclined to ...
move assets like Travis Outlaw, Channing Frye, Ike Diogu, and/or Jerryd Bayless in a deal for him. The Portland Trail Blazers should be able to acquire Hinrich at a cheaper cost than Wallace, with Raef LaFrentz being the only asset dealt in a trade for the defensive-minded point guard.
by AK1984 on Jan 12, 2009 10:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
why?
If the Bulls decide that this season is in the dumper then we wouldnt have to give up Sergio or Blake if the Bulls are just looking to dump salary. We may have to take on a Nocioni to get it done, but I would be willing to do that.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jan 13, 2009 10:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't Hinrich look pretty good tonight?
I forgot just how good he was at keeping in front of his man. They stuck him on Roy most of the time with great results. I also found it curious that Hinrich wasn’t suposed to be back, yet the Bulls chose to play him tonight. They already have a minute crunch at the guard position so Hinrich’s twenty minutes wan’t really needed at all.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 12, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting observations
Showcase anyone…
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 9:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hinrich is a good fit
just overpaid is all. if he is worth it tho…money is of little importance.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 9:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
His contract declines every year
So he gets less overpaid as time progresses. Interesting to note.
by Norsktroll on Jan 12, 2009 11:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ya, those years in which we won't have any cap space anyway
complete non-issue. Actually hurts us because we need the contract smaller RIGHT NOW
by as11osu on Jan 13, 2009 12:05 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the Bulls asking price
is RLEC and some stuff on the periphery, that’s a great deal for Portland. I’m a believer in Bayless, and I think eventually he’ll be better than Hinrich, but a PG situation with Hinrich as the starter and Bayless seeing the backup minutes for the next couple years would allow Bayless to develop at a good pace and upgrade the Blazers in a big way in the present.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 9:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I loved his offense tonight, but...
Did you notice that once he got a few shots, he stopped looking to run the offense? It’s very dangerous to have your PG start thinking shoot first. Imagine Outlaw with the ball in his hands every possession. Okay, bad example tonight, but you get my drift. :)
Bring back the Uncle Cliffy!
by hawkblogger on Jan 12, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
noticed that too
for like 3-4 possessions in a row, he had NO thought other than shoot. he made a few, and at a time when we definatley needed them, but this kind of thinking from the PG can be dangerous
Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.
by douglast on Jan 12, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you guys mean dangerous
like Devon Harris or Tony Parker? That would be awful!! Don’t you suppose that Maybe Nate said “Take it to the hole, Jarryd. It’s their biggest weakness, and no one else is doing it.”
by crakarjack on Jan 13, 2009 1:59 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Point I thought about too
Greg Oden, where posters happen.
by ratbastird on Jan 13, 2009 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither Jerryd Bayless nor Sergio Rodriguez should be the point guard of the future, albeit for entirely ...
different reasons. Rodriguez is neither an efficient shooter nor a capable enough defender to mask Brandon Roy’s deficiencies there, while Bayless lacks the necessary court vision and desire to distribute to ever be a competent floor general. Bayless isn’t that great of a defender, either, although my standards for outstanding defensive point guards includes guys like Chris Paul, Rajon Rondo, Devin Harris, and Kirk Hinrich.
by AK1984 on Jan 12, 2009 9:06 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
that's why if Bayless has a future with Portland... its with Roy in the 1st unit
so that he can defend the 1, bring the ball up the court, then give the ball to Roy who can initiate offense. I agree about Sergio, though for now he’s still a good fit with the 2nd unit.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 12, 2009 9:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
but...
Roy probably doesnt want to initiate the offence the whole time he is in there. I think thats why blake works so well with him.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 9:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Bayless can initiate the offense some of the time
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 12, 2009 9:43 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
To share the floor with Roy
you have to be good shooting the three
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
by DaniBCN on Jan 12, 2009 10:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it certainly helps
Bayless shot over 40% in college (I know its a shorter line, but still) so he’s definitely a better shooter than we’ve seen thus far.
There’s still no question that Bayless will need to improve his outside shot, however.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on Jan 12, 2009 10:08 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
While Bayless needs work now
he has the ability to be in that same group as a defender.
This is what Lucas would do. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0aPkIE2qK0
by 123_G.O._RipCity on Jan 12, 2009 9:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Hinrich is the best PG available considering what the Blazers need from the position. I’m high on Bayless as the starter, but Hinrich would be the perfect player to handle the starting job until he’s ready
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 9:19 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i like hinrich
he does have skills that meet our needs…but how does he fare against the quicker pgs? If he can’t guard them then it kinda defeats the purpose of having a defensive PG stopper when he can’t stop the ones we have the most trouble with. Granted all of the nba has trouble with those guards, but maybe then we can stop trying to stop them but use Bayless’ abilities and trade baskets.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Just some anecdotal/observational
evidence, but against quicker players in the half court, I’ve seen Hinrich do a good job of using his size/length to make it difficult for the speed demons. Granted, no one guy is going to stop CP3, Parker, etc. on their own, but Hinrich makes you work. He really knows how to play D in a team concept, and with erasers like GO/Joel patrolling the middle, he can funnel guys to positions where help will be available.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 9:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
even if Hinrich is only good for 3 more years or so, I wouldnt mind as long as we have someone we are grooming for the job later. Sorta what the mavs were doing with Harris…well except they got rid of him as he was coming around.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 9:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
I think Bayless is about 2 years away from reaching the point he needs to be to be a championship caliber PG for the Blazers. Hinrich would make that a pretty seamless transition, exactly what RLEC was made for
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 9:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Ever?
Really? Ever? Can that really be said about Bayless at this point? I am more comfortable with your Sergio comments because we have seen him for over two years now but I can’t say that about Bayless yet.
Is Hinrich really a big enough upgrade from Blake to pursue him? I lean to others’ opinions who think Blake is a better value for the $$.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Jan 12, 2009 11:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You made up you mind about JBay before the draft and seem unwilling to reconsider your position.
You have been making these definitive statements about Bayless future development since the day we drafted him. You have dogged him relentlessly as an undersized SG who will never learn to distribute and never learn to play good defense.
Fine, you have a right to your opinion. What irritates me is that you seem absolutely convinced about your ability to project the future development of a player who is 20 years old. Furthermore, Bayless isn’t just any 20 year old, he is a guy with unusual athleticism: speed, strength, and hop. The kid was a McDonald’s All American, recruited by Lute Olsen to PG University, and was generally expected to be drafted between 4-8 after one year of college. KP, who has not made a single bad personnel move, went to considerable lengths to land Bayless.
Despite all this, you are convinced that you know better than everyone else. If your powers of evaluation and projection are really that well honed, you should get a job in a front office somewhere or at least you should be working as an NBA scout. If you are not that much better than everyone else, I suggest a bit more humility. State your opinions and give your reasons, but acknowledge that they are just opinions, they are not definitive statements of fact..
Here is what I see. Bayless has extreme physical gifts, a relentless work ethic, and burning competitiveness. He is trying to learn how to use those gifts to play in this league. Yes, he has primarily been a scorer. He knows how to do that. He has excelled as a scorer at every level. Now he is trying to learn how to distribute.
I think it is stunningly presumptuous for any of us to say how well he will ultimately make that transition. It is obvious from watching him on the floor that he is willing to try. He has not been selfish. He has not been shoot first. In fact, prior to the last two games, he has mostly looked a bit hesitant. He has been trying to figure out when to do the thing he knows how to do, which is drive, and when to make the pass. Hesitancy and pressing messed with his shot. Now he is getting a bit more comfortable out there, and his production is increasing dramatically.
If you give Bayless the benefit of the doubt, and throw out his first game against Boston based on nerves, here is his combined stats for the last four games:
MIN 32, FG 5-15, FT 9-11, Ass 6, TO 3, ST 3, REB 4, PTS 19
That would be a pretty darn good stat line for a starting PG. For a rookie getting his first real minutes on the court, I would say it is close to amazing.
I am not saying that Bayless has arrived. He has a lot to learn and will make a lot of rookie mistakes, like he did on the botched entry pass last night. What I am saying is that the kid has shown us enough to earn a chance to show us more.
At some point, you need to evaluate your preconceived opinion of Bayless against his actual play on the floor. We all need to do the same. I have high hopes. You have very low expectations. Bayless will prove one or the other of us right.
by upper left corner on Jan 13, 2009 8:20 AM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Surely not
You have been making these definitive statements
AK? You’re saying AK does that?
You have dogged him relentlessly
Now I know you must not be talking about AK.
you are convinced that you know better than everyone else
This must be a false rumor.
If you are not that much better than everyone else, I suggest a bit more humility.
Surely AK is that much better than everyone else. Right?
stunningly presumptuous
stunningly presumptuous
stunningly presumptuous
stunningly presumptuous
Hmm, I seem to be stuck.
stunningly presumptuous
stunningly presumptuous
stunningly presumptuous
stunningly presumptuous
—-
Bayless will be fine. AK is just being AK. It’s what he does. Kind of like timbo used to be when talking about Sergio. Sergio is no all-star, but he’s ruined part of timbo’s fun by improving this year. And timbo is glad he did.
Jerryd will ruin AK’s, too. And the day will come when AK admits it, because as stunningly presumptuous as AK gets sometimes, he’s honest enough to admit it when incontrovertibly proven wrong. The day will come when AK says, “I was wrong, and I’m glad I was.”
Book it.
Well, unless he manages to get himself banned, but I think he knows the rules and will stay close enough to them so that doesn’t happen.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 13, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Ergo, I am no longer me???
Bayless will be fine. AK is just being AK. It’s what he does. Kind of like timbo used to be when talking about Sergio.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 13, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm, chanting CLANK! at appropriate moments during game threads and watching the people who have butch haircuts in emulation of Sergio go berserk DOES have its attractions...
………………………….. But actually, the big thing for me was two-fold.
(1) I did the math and figured out that Sergio going 1-for-3 or 2-for-6 from the perimeter vs. a guy like Blake who’d be more like 3-for-6 is the same thing as ONLY ONE TURNOVER — which is nothin’.
(2) Seeing Rex in game action made it clear that he’s not IMMEDIATELY ready to take over the backup PG spot — that there will be a learning curve he has to follow. (The dude IS a college Sophomore, after all, and everyone knows that lots of college players suck until they’re a Junior or Senior — and we’re not even talking about the NBA!)
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 13, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In other words
You’ve admitted you were a wee bit wrong about Sergio.
And Bayless. You’re still wrong about Bayless, too. He won’t be taking over the backup spot. When the time comes, he’ll be starting.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 13, 2009 10:47 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not wrong about Sergio -- I just overestimated the negative effect of his bricks...
I doubt Rex will go from #3 to #1 PG, very seriously.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 13, 2009 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
hell...it worked for batum
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 7:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i think
you are a lot more open minded lately. not nearly as extreme.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 6:34 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy has deficiencies?
News to me. I have been telling everyone that he was born to a virgin. I should probably stop that.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Jan 13, 2009 10:32 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
nah
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 13, 2009 12:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You spelled that whole post right.
You’re slipping, maid tu rek.
by Kaboomm on Jan 13, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what's wrong with you he's perfectly healthy and alive to everyone else
honor rasheed wallace
i like ike
by Zaron5551 on Jan 12, 2009 9:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This post is silly...
Bayless looked good attacking the hoop, otherwise: meh.
Sergio ran the offense decently, otherwise: meh.
The blazers need better point guard play all around….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on Jan 12, 2009 9:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Perfect practice makes perfect.
by Ojala John on Jan 12, 2009 10:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts from Friday, still holding true.
The bottom line is that Jerryd Bayless needs to play more. Oden and Batum have been playing all year and although they’ve had rough patches, things are getting better for each of those rookies. The question is how do we get Bayless more run? It starts by giving Sergio less time. I like Sergio, I think he is good for Rudy, but Sergio is one-dimensional and a liability on defense. Sergio’s shot is slightly better this year, but he still looks to pass even when he is point blank for a lay-in. There have been times this year where Steve Blake couldn’t keep up with his man, but Bayless most certainly would have. Most of the criticism abut Jerryd is his shoot first mentality on a team full of young stars. I think he’s well aware of his need to be a distributor and I’ve seen that happen at times when he does actually play.
The future I envision starts with Bayless and Roy in the backcourt. The great thing about those two together is that both should compliment each other so well. Bayless can handle point guard duties early on in games, while Roy will most certainly become the captain of the offense down the stretch. Bayless can guard the opposing point guard with no worries about saving energy for offense. The important part about this scenario is that it can happen a lot sooner then most are expecting.
For years we’ve waited for Travis Outlaw and Martell Webster to mature, but Bayless is much further along in his development then they ever were. Bayless, given the opportunity for more minutes this year, will be ready to contribute next year. I see him as our starter by the end of next year. Steve Blake becomes the second man off the bench and this would probably mean Sergio is gone. But at some point, someone’s gotta go and there is no way it’s Jerryd… he’s just too stacked with potential.
by GUnit on Jan 12, 2009 9:22 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Sergio has been superior to Jerryd all season
all of a sudden Jerryd has 2 decent games in spot duty and he’s supposed to supplant Sergio on the depth chart? Not bloody likely. Sergio has been good this season, and is the much better fit next to Rudy. If for some reason Blake goes down, Jerryd is the better fit next to Brandon, but aside from that scenario, Sergio should get all backup minutes that occur in tandem with Rudy Fernandez being on the court. No ifs ands or buts about it at this time. In the future, things may change, but Sergio has shown far too much improvement this year to be thrown aside for 14 good minutes in the backup backup role.
by as11osu on Jan 12, 2009 9:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
lol
Jerryd has only had played real minutes in a couple games this year. I don’t know how anyone can make a super strong judgement based on how much time Bayless has played. (that goes both ways)
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 12, 2009 9:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
In their limited minutes this year Sergio has been better
and Nate has had Sergio in front on the depth chart all year, indicating he’s been better the whole year. If the goal is to win this year, Sergio being the backup point guard, especially next to Rudy, is the way to do that. Jerryd fits better with that first unit than he does with the second.
by as11osu on Jan 12, 2009 9:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If the goal this year was to win...
Jarrett Jack would still be on the team.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 12, 2009 10:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The goal this year is to win...
Which is exactly why we traded Jarrett Jack!
by david1978pdx on Jan 12, 2009 10:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We traded Jack because he wasn't getting any better.
He was and still is better than Sergio. The Pacers had him guarding Kobe Bryant the other night for long stretches. Could you ever see Sergio do something like that? Jack is a better perimeter defender than either Blake or Sergio. (something we desperately need) He’s also a better fit alongside Roy. The problem was that he had peaked and wasn’t going to cut it long term. Sergio and Bayless aren’t exactly ideal at the moment, but they both have a higher potential ceiling.
KP basically traded mature asset for a possible higher return in the future.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 12, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not that high on Sergio
So, we don’t need to be making comparisons with Serg and Jack… Serg can’t shoot or play D but Jack is more prone to making bonehead plays. Pick your poison.
Personally, I think Serg is a stopgap to give Bayless time to learn the NBA game.
by david1978pdx on Jan 12, 2009 10:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The trade to the Pacers was exactly what Jack needed
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 13, 2009 12:36 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless doesn't have Sergio's poise -- yet
But it’s interesting — he’s starting to get his minutes, partly from the power forward spot. That is, Outlaw gets moved to the 4, leaving three guards in the game in various combinations. Sometimes those combinations include Bayless. I guess it depends on whether we can play a small frontcourt against the opponent on a given night.
I’m pro-Bayless in the long run, but obviously he’s just getting a feel for the NBA now. He wasn’t necessarily ready after one year in college.
by Kaboomm on Jan 12, 2009 9:32 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Free Sergio!
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
by DaniBCN on Jan 12, 2009 10:02 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
If we love him we must set him free… from Nate’s system.
by Blazersaurus on Jan 12, 2009 10:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio needs to free himself...
That is, he has to free himself from all the Jason Williams comparisons and realise he is mediocre by NBA standards.
by david1978pdx on Jan 12, 2009 10:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Makes me sick...
He’s a special player, he isn’t a regular PG by any means (and neither is J-Bay), he has some special abilities that can’t be taught and some flaws on his game. The problem is that Nate wants to play him to his weaknesses, it’s always been the same problem.
Sergio can’t be an important player this way. He’s losing his magic just to please the coach, and without his magic he is nothing.
I wish he gets traded for the best of both parts, Nate and Sergio will never click together, and forcing Sergio to play this way is as dumb as using Greg as a 3pt shooter on offense or playing Roy as a center. Would you be so harsh on them if that was the case?
Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
by DaniBCN on Jan 13, 2009 1:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
you have a point
he’s never going to be like Nate was as a player. And this will always bother Nate. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 13, 2009 1:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Neither is Bayless, though.
Who is the modern-day equivalent to Nate McMilllan at the point? Chris Duhon? :)
by EngineerScotty on Jan 13, 2009 1:18 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
tough question.
Who is 6’5" and plays great D for a point guard? Talk about your vanishing species. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 13, 2009 1:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Kidd. No wait…
Shaun Livingston was the closest thing to a Magic Johnson coming into the league for a long time, and unfortunately he had that freak injury.
by Norsktroll on Jan 13, 2009 1:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Defensively yes
Offensively, Rubio will be superior, especially in terms of passing/making his teammates better
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 13, 2009 7:51 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
In his prime, Antonio Daniels fit the bill.
by AK1984 on Jan 13, 2009 3:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
one of the best comparisons yet
but Daniels was skinnier/wispier than Nate. Nate was more of a scorer when he had to be, too.
Daniels was usually a backup, and Nate was almost always a starter.
But there were indeed a lot of similarities. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 13, 2009 4:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Players like Nate and Ron Harper
simply can’t exist any more, at least not as PGs with the elimination of handchecking. Nate was a great defensive PG, like Ron Harper, but no way was he going to keep up with guys like CP or DWill without being able to put his hands on them, so you have the slightly wispier “big” PGs like Hinrich or Daniels as the closest possible iteration of a guy like Nate.
by Royster on Jan 13, 2009 9:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He still needs to learn how to be a better point
It’s good that Nate has been putting Bayless in situations where he will do well, i.e. playing defense and scoring the ball but he has a long way to go as far as being a facilitator. It’s hard to be a point guard in the NBA. You have to be a student of the game. Sergio is a better facilitator at this point, but Sergio isn’t a rookie either. Both of them will get better and it will be an interesting competition down the road. That is if they are both around.
by Thadius on Jan 12, 2009 10:17 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good distinction
Good individual skills don’t make a good point guard — it’s total awareness of the game. In summer league, he just needed to outplay everybody, which he did. But now, he has to be a basketball genius and that’s a learning process.
by Kaboomm on Jan 12, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Roy for PG
With Bayless as the 2 in the first unit… Then, put Blake in the second unit with Rudy, Trav and Joel.
by david1978pdx on Jan 12, 2009 10:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless fights through/around screens on D and is the only Blazer who does it regularly
Sergio would be a fantastic PG to have in case of an emergency, but I see no way that Sergio, Spain, Rudy and Sergiofan could deal with that.
Bayless has issues I know, but I’ve long since fallen for a tough PG who can finish. Kevin Johnson is one of my favorite players of all time and Bayless is the closest thing we’ve ever had to that.
by tweener on Jan 12, 2009 10:20 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
He got picked off several times and totally lost Derrick Rose. Przybilla wound up covering Rose one time.
by Kaboomm on Jan 12, 2009 10:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Derrick Rose is probably the most difficult player to contain off the dribble-drive this side of Lebron
I have watched Jerryd’s D on the high pick in particular and he is the best defender at staying with his man. Blake will get through sometimes, but often just leaves LMA or Travis to guard the point on the switch.
by tweener on Jan 12, 2009 10:24 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, but I rewound those plays and watched them twice
It was because of picks, not just the dribble. I’m not sure I expected Bayless to get around those particular picks (in one case, through the legs would have been the only way through), but that’s what was happening.
by Kaboomm on Jan 12, 2009 10:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Both Rose and Rex were getting picked a couple times. The Chicago announcers commented on it. Young players, it happens.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 13, 2009 9:40 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Rose went through Rex two times, scoring in both, 2 and 2+1 (Priz fouled him). Rose also forced Rex to swift defense in at least other three times, resulting in a three, a two and a foul.
Good game in offense though.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Jan 13, 2009 10:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
ha
dude, you aren’t supposed to point out how completely wrong everyone is about him being a defensive stopper.
"It's like, 'Urrrrrrgh!'" Rodriguez says, his cupped hands turning into fists. "It is a good feeling. Good feeling."
by sergioFTW on Jan 13, 2009 11:01 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Compare rookie Bayless at defense
to rookie Sergio.
And then go watch the third quarter of the Detroit game.
by Cablinasian on Jan 13, 2009 11:07 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
interesting point here...
what people seem to forget is that we’ve seen sergio for what will be 3 years now… i just think we’ve given this kid WAY too much opportunity…. it appears more and more that he’s around just to accomodate rudy and see what type of chemistry they have together
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 13, 2009 11:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
They do have amazing chemistry
When Sergio and Rudy are on the court at the same time coming off the bench they have a positive impact on the team (+3 per 48). There isn’t a case to be made THIS YEAR for Jerryd to get Sergio’s minutes. If Jerryd gets better or Sergio gets worse, things may change, but at this point in time, Sergio is thus far, a successful backup PG. Your case would be stronger if for some reason you think we should look to the future as opposed to winning games now. In the future, if you believe Sergio is the odd man out, giving those minutes to Jerryd makes some sense.
by as11osu on Jan 13, 2009 11:58 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
amazing is an overstatement...
it’s interesting to think too what sergio would be like without rudy… that +3 wouldn’t be there…
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 13, 2009 12:50 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not...
but also, Rudy wouldn’t be nearly as good either having to play with Bayless as opposed to S-Rod. You see, its not just Sergio or Rudy that benefits from their chemistry together, but the whole team.
Certain player pairs work really well together, in fact, even more so than Rudy, Sergio has an insane /- when playing with LMA (15 per 48), but they seldom see the court at the same time. Think about how many wide open jumpers Sergio creates for his teammates, and plug in LMA in Frye/Diogu/Przy/Outlaw’s place. That right there is what swings the biggest difference for the starting unit versus the second unit.
by as11osu on Jan 13, 2009 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats a horrible argument
Sergio was putting up big assist numbers his rookie year without Rudy…
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 6:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
what??
he avg. 3.3 asts per game… those aren’t big at all… i’m not sure why you feel so strongly about this cat
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 13, 2009 7:43 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
look at
his assist per 48…it was near the top in the league. 2nd to nash i believe….and while i know you are gonna come up with the line…well sergio did it against 2nd stringers while nash was playing against starters…well if thats the case then why isn’t there other 2nd string pgs putting up those numbers?
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 13, 2009 7:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
okay
this is a valid point… but, has he improved since then? my initial assessment would be no, but maybe you can prove me wrong
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 14, 2009 7:42 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
he wasn't given the opportunity
since his rookie year…your assessment didn’t mention anything about improvement…all you said was the he was nothing without rudy, and i countered. has his skills improved? of course yes…has it resulted in stats? not necessarily. both he and bayless have pressed in the short stints they have had. i already proved you wrong in that he could put up assists without rudy, i dont know what else you want me to say in regards to that previous argument.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 9:27 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Proven Wrong
Checklist -
Sergio has shown no improvement/regressed – X
Bayless has better vision and is a better passer – X
Sergio should be in D league – X
Sergio can’t create assists without Rudy – X
Hotstuff flip flopping – X
Those are just the non debatable ones.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 14, 2009 7:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that was just a jerk thing to do...
no one likes to be held accountable for the things they say.
by as11osu on Jan 15, 2009 12:22 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
spoke to j quick last night at the game..
he had some pretty harsh words for sergio in a private conversation that would nearly nullify your above comment - see his article on O-Live for a pleasant version of the conversation
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 15, 2009 3:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't be using private conversations publicly.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 15, 2009 8:05 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Timbo is Quick!
I'm a Blazers fan and If you ban me from your blog, I'll sue you!
by tominhawaii on Jan 15, 2009 8:08 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
rec
First, it’s not verifiable. Second, if you are accurately portraying what was said, it’s not really fair to him to do that.
I know you can put admiration in bags, because admiration is real, and tominhawaii says that everything that is real is measurable.
by jscot on Jan 15, 2009 8:10 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
quick article
says nothing that praises 1 player at the expense of the other player that you commonly do. it had more to do with coaching and the organization and the future than it did with sergio and bayless individually. do i like bayless’ potential? yes…but at the same time you are making horrible statements about sergio that has been proven wrong. even in this 1 thread you have flip flopped regarding sergio twice.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 15, 2009 8:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i haven't "flip-flopped" .... i've been
less than adament at times to make this conversation constructive, hopefully trying to offer encouragement to both players in different ways – i might not have done a good job, and there might be some (sergioFTW) who don’t agree with the approach I’ve taken, but I’ve tried to make this conversation interesting and enjoyable. IMO, my original point still stands within me, and I think it’s “bayless time” and sergio should be off our roster….
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 15, 2009 9:03 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
thats fine
but…when you say that sergio has done nothing good, and point to a j quick article that says that they are basically apples and oranges and doesn’t support your claim, its hard to take you seriously.
there is nothing wrong with liking both of our backups as neither has reached their potential. theres actually quite a few people here that are vocal about liking both.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 15, 2009 9:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i see your point...
did i say somewhere that sergio has done nothing good? if i did, i didn’t intend this, and this would be outside the scope of my claim – if i did, let me know and I’ll clarify or take the comment back…..
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 15, 2009 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
well if you are gonna take it back
then theres no point in locating it.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 15, 2009 9:50 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i just looked and didn't see anything...
believe it or not, i’m trying to be as objective as possible – however, a lot of me imparts my own philosophical bias onto how players ought to play, which I think we all need to recognize on this topic – the question becomes, which bias takes the best approach to interpreting reality? We’ll have to wait on this to see what KP does – In my view, it’s much more likely to see j-bay stay… however if this is wrong, feel free to throw a pie at me!!
by hotstuffdb22 on Jan 15, 2009 10:04 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
it wasnt in this thread
i dont feel like digging into your history of posts to find it.
The most hated Blazer is like the least hottest supermodel - Sabonis4Ever
by Philthyanimal on Jan 15, 2009 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, his defense was very good against Detroit, specially coming out of screens.
Sergio + Rudy = 16
Sergio + Bayless = 16
Batum 8+8=16
by amlmart1 on Jan 13, 2009 12:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not knocking him either
I think he’s got ability but he’s in a learning process, and chasing Derrick Rose around multiple picks is part of that. He’s doing pretty well, and I’m excited to see him develop over the next couple years. (Though honestly I expect him to get traded before then. He just makes sense as a trade asset.)
by Kaboomm on Jan 13, 2009 2:46 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Stuckey and Rose are different
Stuckey is more of a big physical point guard where Rose is a burner, it didn’t completely surprise me that Jerryd struggled to stay on Rose, but part of his problem was playing him to tight and not understanding his tendencies. Jerryd might have been better off going under screens against D. Rose since his jump shot is so suspect. This just takes time and exposure to live game situations.
J-Bay may not be a pure point guard, but if he’s already showing this much willingness to work on defense in such a short amount of time he’s got a bright future when you mix that with his (projected) shooting and (demonstrated) driving skills. If he can ever learn to set up the offense at a reasonable level he’ll be golden.
Think about it, Blake already plays a ton of off guard, which is a large chunk of what Bayless will be required to do. a 4 guard lineup of Roy, Rudy, Blake and Bayless is pretty versatile and clear cut roles about who is a two and who is a one kind of get blurred anyway with this team; they’re all pretty much just “guards”
by nikolokolus on Jan 13, 2009 11:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
We need another option; not sure who though
I agree that Sergio is not the answer, but Bayless is also unimpressive so far. He is getting so much passion from people only on the strength of his preseason play. Looking only at the performances he has turned in so far,I am underwhelmed.
by RIP.City on Jan 12, 2009 10:24 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Rex is still a very young rookie, a project -- but you can see what he's gonna be...
Sergio has more experience and more poise and one super-skill — his passing. He’s a great match with Rudy, obviously…
I totally and completely agree with the observation of GUnit above that Rex needs MINUTES NOW and that means some of ‘em at least come out of Sergio’s hide… But this whole Rex >>>> Sergio thing is greatly overstated at this moment in time. In reality, they are apples and oranges and you can’t even legitimately compare them. Rex will NEVER see the court as well as Sergio or pass as well as Sergio, so don’t pretend that he can. What he CAN do is get to the rack and finish and draw fouls — like Tony Parker, Rondo, etc. He’s a quick, cutting , crasher and you’ve really got to be willingly blind not to see the GREAT POTENTIAL to his game.
Does this mean that Sergio should be riding pine the rest of the year? Of course not. But neither should Rex be racking up DNPs and then passing the ball to referees or getting called for 2 ticky-tack fouls in 45 seconds when he does come in because he’s so freaked out being on the big stage… He needs 5 or 6 minutes a night EVERY night…
Over the long haul, it’s pretty clear to me at least how this plays out. But it’s not a quick thing — Rex is still a baby.
BTW: I just watched the Chicago feed of the game and there was NOTHING Sergio did that was capital punishment worthy. Just like he was being overpraised earlier in the year by about 80% of those commenting on him, now he’s being overcriticized. He is what he is, warts and all, great skill and all, and has proven himself a serviceable backup to Blake NOW.
(Man, it’s weird for ME to be sticking up for Sergio, is it not?)
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"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 12, 2009 10:28 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
(takes 2nd picture for sergioftw)
honestly…playing bayless 5 mins or sergio 9 minutes isn’t doing either one any favors. i think playing each exclusively in games based on situational needs is a better way to handle things. let them each alternate DNPs and the other can get full backup minutes. 15 mins minimum…and if they play out of their minds then reward them with a few extra minutes. if one of them goes 1/3 shooting in such short minutes…we can easily blame it on the small sample size or not getting enough touches to develop a rhythm…but if they had more minutes so that they wouldn’t have to press then i think we would see a more accurate representation of what they bring to the table.
by Philthyanimal on Jan 12, 2009 10:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
My Greatest Fear
Bayless = Second Coming of Jack
by jayzien on Jan 12, 2009 10:39 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Watch some Pacer games.
Jack is a fine backup. His defense seems to have improved as well.
by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 12, 2009 10:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course he looks better this year
Because he’s playing for the Pacers… I would have traded Jack straight up for Bayless… But we had to give Indiana something to work with too.
by david1978pdx on Jan 12, 2009 10:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Indiana is actually looking pretty damned shrewd for picking up Jack, actually.
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 13, 2009 9:44 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
anyone with the injury-prone TJ Ford
would be wise to pick up another player who can fill in if/when Ford goes down.
My friend who is a big Pacer fan is totally thrilled with Jack. I told him he would have his ups and downs but overall he would be pleased with Jack. I explained that there would be plenty of times Jack would go to the hoop and not be able to get a shot off, but to live with that and overall it would be a win for them to have Jack. Pacer fan told me that I was right a few days ago. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 13, 2009 1:16 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
maybe...
but tell that same Pacer fan he could’ve kept Jerryd Bayless instead, and they’d all be singing a different tune. Although defensively its painful, running the type of offense Indiana runs, J-Bay could’ve been an immediate Monta Ellis type from the get go.
by as11osu on Jan 13, 2009 3:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bayless still makes rookie mistakes
Be patient. He needs time to grow. Sergio is still on track to be an allstar…
by ladygonegrey on Jan 12, 2009 10:42 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
[Sergio is still on track to be an allstar...] ........................ in Spain.
Sorry, couldn’t help myself…
"Now with a non-provocative footer!"
by timbo on Jan 13, 2009 9:45 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's see...
Even with Nash and Kidd retired one day, there would still be Paul, Williams, Parker in the first tire, then Davis, Farmar, now also Westbrook…
Better chances in the East? Rondo, Harris, Calderon, …
by Norsktroll on Jan 13, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgot Billups in the West, who is on the older side but still has a few years left.
by Norsktroll on Jan 13, 2009 9:55 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Sergio is still on track to be an allstar…"
Yeah. I’m surprised New Orleans hasn’t called to trade Chris Paul for him.
by Kaboomm on Jan 12, 2009 10:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Memphis?
Sergio could get some serious minutes to develop there, and that’d be scary. Gay would be on the highlight reel every night with lobs from Sergio. That goes against the Sergio not hurting the Blazers in the future clause though. The East also wants some quality PGs in the future.
by Zaig on Jan 12, 2009 10:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio would do well in Memphis
but something tells me KP and Wallace might not be on the best of terms, even if a deal makes sense :)
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 11:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
sergio would do well on just about any other team in the league
his shot looked better tonight, and he took it to the rim, mist one(outlaw putback?) and made one, that lookded sick. there was more ark in his three point in and out attempt. he also got one steal to go with his one turnover. when sergio had the ball, everybody sand bagged him by just standing arround. Free Sergio!!
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 13, 2009 1:15 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Which game?
Sergio didn’t have a turnover or a steal against the Bulls.
by Zaig on Jan 13, 2009 2:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, ur right, my bad
i watched the golden state game just befor the chicago game and had some mental carry over. i just rewatched the chicago game and sergio only got about 2 and a half minutes at the end of the first, and never saw the floor again. he still played decent thow with a couple of niice passes that were either dropped(travisz) or fouled(lamarcus). he took it to the rack at least once, and had a nice looking three that didnt stay down. his defence was neither hear nore there.
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 14, 2009 1:14 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
5
Box score says it ended with 5, although it didn’t feel that long. Teammates missed shots, which led to 0 assists. 1/4 shooting is pretty bad, although when you have that few of shots it’s now awful. His 3 goes one centimeter one direction and he’s 2/4. Regardless, he had one play where the shot clock ran low (and they got a wide open shot anyway) so he hit the bench for the rest of the game.
by Zaig on Jan 14, 2009 1:44 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
i watched it again, and he did not play 5 min
yeah, the only play that he seamed to “over dribble” led to an open jumper for roy, that roy mist. he was pulled after passing ahead to outlaw on a fast break, and outlaw lost control of the ball. MB said that the ball was poked away, but it wasnt, nobody was close. his play wasnt deserving of being pulled imo, and i did watch closely, replaying everything looking for mistakes. i litteraly had a sergio specifik play by play written out to illistrate, but when i realised i was wrong about the first point i discarded it as it was then off topic, but im certainly will to do it agian if you like.
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 14, 2009 2:01 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Than KP needs to suck it up
And apologize for making a big deal out of Miles.
"Hightide was the only "Yes" vote" - parkinglotj
Joel Freeland=Stud
by hightide on Jan 13, 2009 1:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, no
They LIED!!!
http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html
by maid tu rek on Jan 13, 2009 3:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio
Improved his shot in the off season and will the next off season as well. His one real issue now is his strength. Everything that people criticize him for is basically a strength issue.
1. His defense. He gets pushed around too easily and can’t fight through the screens.
2. His ability to finish. The guy gets fouled more often than is called (lol NBA refs), but he does need more strength to deal with the bumping that takes place down low.
Both these issues can be resolved with bulking up a little. That comes naturally with age, but I think the trainers need to work with him as well to speed up the process. Once he stops getting pushed around so much, watch out.
Anyone griping about turnovers is an uneducated tool. Sergio averages just over 4 turnovers per 48. Bayless averages almost 6. Before you jump on the “BAYLESS IS A ROOKIE” bandwagon, keep in mind that his rookie year Sergio averged just under 5 turnovers per 48, still a full turnover LESS than Bayless per 48.
Another note. When Steve Nash was Sergio’s age, he was averaging 3 points and 2 assists a game. I’m not saying that Sergio will turn into the freak that Nash did, but some point guards take longer to develop. Sergio clearly has the potential, but we’ll see.
Yet another note. Sergio can see everyone on the floor, not just Rudy. The problem is, no one else on the floor moves like Rudy does. Can you imagine what would happen if Outlaw stopped standing on the baseline and cut to the hoop? He’s taller than Rudy, has longer arms, and can probably jump higher.
A final sad note. Sergio might be a better fit with another team, one that moves around on offense more. Somewhere back East hopefully so that we don’t have to deal with him in the West in a couple of years. Miami maybe? (Although they’re big on their rookie PG I think.) Possibly 76ers, get that high powered, yet dead, offense of theirs moving.
by Zaig on Jan 12, 2009 10:56 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Valid points
A final sad note. Sergio might be a better fit with another team, one that moves around on offense more. Somewhere back East hopefully so that we don’t have to deal with him in the West in a couple of years. Miami maybe? (Although they’re big on their rookie PG I think.) Possibly 76ers, get that high powered, yet dead, offense of theirs moving.
While I don’t think he’ll be Nash (like you said, that guy is a freak) I agree with your basic premise (Sergio can play) and your conclusion (to get the most out of his game, Sergio needs either a change of style by the Blazers/change of address). I also think the latter is more likely. An up tempo team would be wise to pick him up, I think there could be a deal to be had if KP can find somebody who wants to go that route and has an asset the Blazers could use in return.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 11:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I see sergio and think that he has shown steady improvement this year.
Watching him play you can see he’s starting to recognize when a lane opens up to the rim and he’s starting to finish, when at the beginning of the season you’d be hard pressed to see him convert a lay-up in traffic. He’s clearly getting more aggressive, even drawing fouls, playing within the offense and starting to get his head in games. Not just going through the motions of penetrate and dish. As long as a player is getting better, and Sergio has been – we shouldn’t be so quick to push him aside just because Bayless starts to find his offense. The only thing I think that Sergio has the most room to improve, is that his outside shot leaves alot to be desired. The rest is right on track with expectations. I am not ready to trade Sergio just yet cause if we do I think we are gonna regret it one day.
by lethaldose on Jan 12, 2009 11:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Sergio Rodriguez is most similar to fellow countryman Raul Lopez.
If you look at the advanced statistics, it’s pretty easy to draw that comparison.
by AK1984 on Jan 12, 2009 11:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
the difference is
Steve Nash could always shoot———41% 3pt his rookie year
by raging WebTed on Jan 13, 2009 3:41 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Shooters
Terry Porter couldn’t shoot the 3 ball when he entered the league. (Age 22, same as Sergio is now.) .310 and .217 averages his first two years. Sergio’s shot will come, I still think it’s the strength issue that he needs to work on.
by Zaig on Jan 14, 2009 1:48 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah
I’m still all for trading Bayless for DJ straight up!
by Zaig on Jan 12, 2009 10:57 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
This is why we drafted Bayless
Every facilitator, i.e. Tracey McGrady, Michael Jordan, K*be Bryant, Lebron James, or Brandon Roy needs a point guard that can do three things.
1. Be a good spot up three point shooter.
2. Play good defense
3. Bring the ball up the court (good ball handling skills)
*get four or so assists or so a game
It is very difficult to find all three of those things in one point guard but Pritchard thought Bayless could eventually be that complement to Brandon. One of the reasons why Cleveland is doing much better this year is because Mo Williams is that guy to James. Blake plays this role now and does a pretty good job. I mean Steve Kerr wasn’t a superstar but he complemented Jordan well. Bayless isn’t there yet but give him time.
by Thadius on Jan 12, 2009 10:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Good points
I think Rex can do 2 and 3 fairly well right now (at least enough of 3 to initiate the offense when called to do so). #1 is the real key, this could be a big offseason in the gym for him, but I wonder how much Martell’s return will alleviate some of that pressure on the backup PGs – right now Blake is the only starter who can consistently hit the open 3 ball, and teams can really pack in when Brandon is on the floor with anyone other than Blake/Rudy and Travis aren’t hitting.
Jerryd Bayless = Marlo Stanfield
- Early stage Marlo at this point, but Rex is the emotionless killer new to the game. He will take over, and there will be causalties – it’s just a matter of time.
by blazeraddict on Jan 12, 2009 11:13 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Martell
I have been saying the same thing since last summer. Martell’s shooting is the key to making it possible for Bayless to get on the floor with the starters.
Martell’s shooting + Bayless’ driving = lots of offensive options
by upper left corner on Jan 14, 2009 8:51 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention Martell's driving
too bad about Bayless’s shooting from 3. – Elgin
If you smile at me I will understand, because that is something everybody everywhere does in the same language. - Crosby/Stills/Kantner
by 22baylor on Jan 14, 2009 1:58 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jerryd Bayless isn't a spot-up shooter, but rather a major ball hog who looks to create his own shot.
That, by the way, is proven by Bayless’ sizeable usage rate (23.7) for someone who’s just a rookie scrub at this point in his career. Without a doubt, Bayless isn’t a guy who’ll willing defer to his teammates; thus, that doesn’t only write him out as a viable option at point guard, but also as a player who can play second fiddle in a backcourt beside a budding star like Brandon Roy. Bayless is a turnover prone distributor, too, for he averages only 2.3 assists per bad pass — while Brandon Roy averaged 7.8 assists per bad pass as a rookie — according to the www.82games.com website.
by AK1984 on Jan 13, 2009 12:17 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to have something personal against Bayless.
Instead of judging a player by obscure stats try watching him play. He really doesn’t come off as selfish at all. We have been needing a PG who can slash and drive without fear, that’s what Jerryd has been doing and that’s why he’s in games lately. He’s mostly in there with another point guard or Roy, meaning he’s getting the ball passed to him to score. He’s not ready to run this team but he’s doing a good job of what he’s asked. He’s got a very pretty jumpshot that hasn’t been utilized much so far this season and the ability to be around a 38-40% 3p shooter.
You’re trying to compare him to Brandon Roy as rookies… You’re really going to compare a 1 year college student in a strange situation coming into extremely limited minutes to a 4 year college student with abnormally high BBIQ and understanding of fundamentals who received significant playing time?
Bayless gets little playing time and makes a lot more rookie mistakes because of it. If you can’t see the potential there though it really makes me wonder if you’ve even watched him or just look at numbers.
by Bskey on Jan 13, 2009 6:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
no, he's just a cynic and a contrarion
and he makes good points. I happen to disagree with his conclusion, though, because I think Bayless can learn how to play his role once he gets a little more mature mentally. Give him 2 years like Sergio got and we’ll have a truly ballin’ starting PG.
by kickbrass on Jan 13, 2009 9:36 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call him names like "ball hog"
But it is true that this is his first time in a situation where his teammates are as good as him so he has to be more of a rounded player. And where his opponents are as good as him, so he has to work harder. The basket must look a lot smaller than it used to. But I have confidence in him.
by Kaboomm on Jan 13, 2009 2:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Summer League
The players were arguably just as good as him. A lot of the guys are now doing better in the NBA than he is. Bayless is simply a shoot first player and always will be. (Similar to AI. The guy gets a lot of assists, but he’d still rather be shooting the bal.)
by Zaig on Jan 14, 2009 1:49 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs

