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There has been alot of discussion of the reaction to letter. The possible cap implications and of course speculation on the motives on the part of the Blazers and Darius Miles. I would like to devote this thread to just hashing out what people think was the motivation for the Blazers and for Daruis. I will start with my personal opinion, which is only that, my personal opinion based purely on the nothing but some neurons firing ever so slightly in my brain. It is just that as really probably only Darius, his agent and the Blazers Front Office really will ever know their motivations.

Motivations for Darius:

I don’t think it was a master plan at all. I think Darius knew he would make the money either way and was enjoying raking in millions and doing nothing. When the team started to look better with the addition of Oden I think Darius felt he would give a token effort. He certainly isn’t the training beast that Bayless, Oden or even Z-bo is but it didn’t seem like he was trying super hard.

It’s possible Darius or his agent want to hurt Portland but I think it’s more likely they are both simply greedy. If Darius had wanted to play so bad and that is his primary motivation, to play in the NBA, he would have worked harder during his recovery in Portland.

Motivations for the Blazers:

I think that if Darius could have played as well as he did in his last Memphis game the Blazers wouldn’t have sought to seek medical retirement. I think they would have opted to buy him out or trade him as an expiring contract for the ever-hot LeBron lovefest Free Agency summer of 2010. His contract would be valuable something I'm sure KP and Penn were aware of. Darius did not recover enough to play ball and so Medical Retirement seemed the best option. Darius hadn’t done enough to recover at that point and his knee was and is something that could go at any time according to two doctors. Once he was "retired" I think Darius ego may have been hurt or it might just have been his agent’s voice in his ear. Regardless, Darius magically became very motivated once either his ego was hurt by the retirement or he thought he could make more money.

I don’t think there are conspiracies on either side to either a) force a retirement that wasn’t warranted (Independent doctor) or b) that Darius and his agent planned in advance to double dip and hurt Portland. Once the double dip was possible they decided, hey lets get a few hundred thousand more and maybe millions down the road if we make a come back.

So then, no one is some super evil genius conspiring to harm the other on either side of this matter. I do think Darius and his agents are punks, just not "Master Plan" creating punks. I also don’t think KP is some evil genius conspiring with the league to take out unwanted players through "fake" medical retirements. I think the Front Office weighed their options and were trying to protect their owner and because of the insurance aspect of things the Blazers felt Medical retirement was the best option. You could call this greed and I think you would be right but then that is how virtually all for profit businesses are run. One could say that's the motivating factor for the Blazers greed.

All in all it’s quite simple, easily anticipated greed on the part of the Blazers, Darius and his agent and a stupid medical retirement capspace rule has created a ridiculous situation. The outcome I am hopeful of is that the league changes the rule Darius gets signed without impacting PA or our capspace and everyone but the insurance company is happy.

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What motivated the Blazers and D. Miles and his agent?
The Blazers were acting from a business perspective and D. Miles and his agent were too (greed).
29 votes
The Blazers were acting from a conspiratorial viewpoint to ruin Miles career for his lackluster effort in Portland. The also wanted to get insurance money / capspace. Miles is an innocent Baller.
6 votes
The Blazers really felt it was best for all parties that Miles retire and let insurance pay. Miles was an innocent Baller that loved the game.
16 votes
The Blazers really felt it was best for all parties that Miles retire and let insurance pay. Miles and his agent conspired to fake retirement to double dip and/or harm the Blazers with malevolent intent.
10 votes
D. Miles hoopty raised the bar for vehicles and would have started an unsustainable arms race for "flyest ride" bankrupting the team and it's players.
11 votes
Other
6 votes

78 votes | Poll has closed

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The blazers were doing what was best for both parties. Miles get nearly 20 million to not play, and the blazers don’t get hurt by having him on their salary cap.

Then… I think Miles’ agent was like “Hey man.. you can still play” and Darius was like “I can?” and his agent was all like “Yeah bro!” And Darius was like…“But I’m retired” And his agent was like “…but you don’t have to be!” Then Darius asked “But…what about my knee? I really would like to keep walking” And his agent replied “We both know you will waste the money portland is paying you, and then be broke in a couple years, you might as well get what you can, while you can.” And Miles said… “yeah man…yeah”

by tmundal on Jan 10, 2009 12:13 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

"yeah man…yeah" - hilarious... who knows maybe its true. It is real easy to imagine it that way.

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by LaMarvelous on Jan 10, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I comepletely agree

That if the front office had any idea at all that Miles could play even a little ….they would have kept control of his contract. It isn’t as if they are required to play him or even have him near the team (see Starbury)…..the only thing they really lose in that scenario is the 15th roster spot (currently held by Shav) and they would have been able to trade the expiring contract to some team in the LeBron lottery.

That is what sucks so much about the way this is going down. The team followed the league rules and now get neither the player (Miles’ Contract for trade purposes) or the benefit of him being off the cap (plus the tax benefits). It is obvious (to me anyway) that the Medical retirement rules should only apply to the team that the player retires from. For instance if Miles had came back to the Blazers and we played him for 10 games …then it should come back on our cap (but with the full benefit of being able to then trade that contract) or ….If he comes back on another team then that team pays him whatever the going rate is …and the original team has no cap impact from this (but is on the hook for his original garranteed contract) …so Miles would even be able to double dip if he so chose. This would have taken care of all the shenanigins going on now. And would have been fair to the team and the player in question.

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by 92wastheyear on Jan 10, 2009 12:27 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

+1

I agree, the Blazers got hosed. Miles should be able to play wherever he wants (in this day and age, there is no such thing as a sure-fire “career ending” injury, it’s just a matter of how far medical technology/technique has come) and the Blazers should get the cap relief. Like you said, they could have told him to stay home if he wasn’t deemed medically retired and his contract would have been a chip like RLEC. Hopefully, the league corrects this, but I wouldn’t count on it.

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by blazeraddict on Jan 10, 2009 1:32 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that Darius missed being in the league

due to the legitness and street cred that goes along with it. It seems well established that Darius loves the NBA lifestyle more than he loves the game of basketball.

by tingeyga on Jan 10, 2009 12:29 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That was

what I was driving at with the ego comment. I’m sure the money doesn’t hurt either, but I can buy that for Darius it’s about the NBA lifestyle. His agent is just greedy about that I have no doubt. His agent is the one endangering Darius’ health or at least aiding and abetting a dangerous decision on Miles’ part. I don’t think anyone is innocent here but the only conspiracy I see as a possibility is the one pointed to in the letter and the Adrian W. column. That is another team(s) conspiring to hurt Portland’s cap space and possibly get luxury tax redistribution.

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by Idog1976 on Jan 10, 2009 12:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know how to say this in the poll but

The Blazers wanted a cancer out of the locker room and wanted cap space. They thought 18 million would keep Darius on the couch eating ice cream.

Darius wanted to ball. So he did. He did it for love of the game. He’s 31 years old and has no idea what to do with his life if he’s not playing basketball. I’d buy his jersey if he came back and stayed out of trouble for the next 8 years and played solid basketball. Problem is, I have a feeling this will be a short-lived stint, and we’ll see neither longevity nor the opportunity for Darius to prove himself “reformed.”

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by prezofdeath on Jan 10, 2009 12:42 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

How in the world do you know how hard Darius practiced?
If Darius had wanted to play so bad and that is his primary motivation, to play in the NBA, he would have worked harder during his recovery in Portland.

See, the thing is you have no possible way to know this. You weren’t there. From what I read in the Oregonian, Darius was coming to the practice facility every day he was supposed to.


I think that if Darius could have played as well as he did in his last Memphis game the Blazers wouldn’t have sought to seek medical retirement.

There is a short video from a Blazers practice (before he was retired obviously) where Darius drives past someone and dunks. (17 seconds in) Honestly he looked fine. I’m not sure how you can medically retire a guy who can still drive and dunk like that. Medical retirement from basketball requires that someone is unable to play basketball. Clearly Darius is able.

by Nick Van Excellent on Jan 10, 2009 12:43 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

Do you also have the video where his blew up like a ballon

right after that practice?? I not saying there is one…but we don’t know what else was going on at that point…knee-wise…we just don’t

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by 92wastheyear on Jan 10, 2009 1:43 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

greg looked GREAT in practice to

but was OBVIOUSLY nowhear near game shape when it came time

They LIED!!!

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Jan 10, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

"Well

that’s like just your opinion man…“. I don’t know and neither do you but that is my take on events. I clearly state that it’s my opinion up top and you’re certainly welcome to yours. I believe the retirement is due to a "likely” recurrence of injury or a new catastrophic injury. That’s my understanding and the motivation is purely my opinion and nothing else.

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by Idog1976 on Jan 10, 2009 3:04 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

There's a different motive poll I'd like to see.

“Would Memphis be signing and playing Darius Miles, if his Blazers contract did not affect their cut of the luxury tax this season?”

A. Yes
B. No.

by Timmay! on Jan 10, 2009 12:50 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna go ahead and say no.

Look…best of luck to the guy, but it seems a little fishy to me that one of the teams that could benefit the most from the money (read: one of the worst teams in the league) would be the one signing him.

by tmundal on Jan 10, 2009 12:57 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

IMHO this is a no brainer...NO

If Memphis really needed a player there are plenty of them available. But few none of them come with a $250,000 payoff attached!

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by LaMarvelous on Jan 10, 2009 1:06 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

IDK

If they did sign him to hurt the blazers it wasnt for them to collect more luxury tax revenue because they are paying darius more than that 250,000 that they gain from the blazers going over the cap

by peteypablo on Jan 10, 2009 1:19 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

link Pete???

I am not sure that is true…..if you have some info that confirms that…please link it

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by 92wastheyear on Jan 10, 2009 1:47 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

darious gets the vetrans minimum

which means the league pays half his wages, if darious plays just two more games, then he gets his pay. (league minimum devided by number of days in the regular season devided by divided by days he was under contract by memphis) probably less then a 100 k

on the other hand, if his cap goes back on the books, the Blazers would go from their current $70,060,316 in team salary to $79,060,316. If they finished the year with that team salary, they would be $7,910,316 above the tax threshold, and have to write a check for $15,820,632 to be split among the non-paying teams. im not sure if the check is divided by 30(number of teams total) or divided up by just the number of teams that are under the cap. but $15,820,632 divided by 30 = 527,345.4. i would have to go find the number of days that he would be on mamphasis books for, then divide that by two to see just what memphas would have to pay, but i think they would be making a pretty sweet profit from hiring darious. also there are only five or six teams elligable for the free agancy class of 09, and portland is one of them, putting dmiles back on our books would limit our ability to compete with memphis in that regard. with out darious on our books, there would be no other team that could out bid us.

i plagerised a portion from this link

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/01/09/dose.20090109/index.html

They LIED!!!

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Jan 10, 2009 2:52 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

I think that they only pay a dollar of tax for each dollar over the cap

so PA cuts a check for $7,910,316 and each team gets about $265,000.

Here is an explanation of how the luxury tax works from wikipedia. LINK

by trailblazersfan on Jan 10, 2009 3:02 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for the link

i mistankenly took my info for hear

http://www.nba.com/2009/news/features/01/09/dose.20090109/index.html

They LIED!!!

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Jan 10, 2009 3:11 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

B. No

Bayless has been testing the fences for weaknesses

by blazeraddict on Jan 10, 2009 1:33 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

NO

it’s not only the luxury tax money, but they eliminate a potential competitor in the FA market this summer and Chris Wallace gets to stroke his ego by sticking it to KP

by trailblazersfan on Jan 10, 2009 2:12 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

B. No

They LIED!!!

http://www.nba.com/news/miles_10_080919.html

by maid tu rek on Jan 10, 2009 2:38 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know Miles didn't work hard on his rehab?

That’s the assumption, but were you there? Have you ever rehabbed a knee? (I have—after an ACL reconstruction in the pre-arthroscope days—and it’s incredibly difficult.) Just because GO made it back in a year doesn’t mean anything, BTW, because his cartilage lesion was reportedly the size of a pencil eraser, whereas Miles’ was extensive.

As for motivations, we’re just guessing. Certainly the Blazers have been motivated by financial interest. But there may also have been at least an element of concern that Miles risks lifelong disability by trying to play on a damaged knee.

In the case of the Grizzlies, more than likely they’re more interested in eliminating free-agent competition from the Blazers than in adding an aging, out-of-shape, and possibly hobbled small forward. But that question will be answered by what the Griz do with Miles after this 10-day contract runs out.

Finally, regarding Miles’ motivation: as I understand it, he gets paid whether he plays or not. So possibly he wants to stick it to the Blazers for giving up on him. But maybe he just wants to ball. You know, it is a fun game to play, and all the more so if you’re good enough to play at the NBA level. Plus there’s all the perks and props you get for being an NBA player. So there’s plenty of non-malignant motivation right there.

I didn’t vote in this poll, because, like the rest of you, I don’t have a clue what’s really going on behind the scenes with this issue. But more importantly, I’d rather let the lawyers sort ALL of this out and get back to watching our great young team play. This is the season we’ve been waiting for, remember? The season when the team has a realistic chance of making the playoffs and even making a bit of a splash once they get there. More importantly, this is the season when we get to see the flowering of—we hope—a perennial contender.

Why let ANYTHING distract you from something as cool as that? Why spend so much time and attention over an issue that mainly will impact the wallet of a multi-billionaire? The Blazers are loaded already—whether or not they get the gift of extra salary cap room.

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by hurryup09 on Jan 10, 2009 4:11 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

If he comes back on the books

can we use his contract to trade?

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 10, 2009 6:09 PM PST reply actions   0 recs

That could be an attractive contract

next year.

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by OCBlazerFan1 on Jan 10, 2009 6:22 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

That would have only been possible if would have asked him to stay away from the team for pay

Thus not removing his salary from the cap, and not clearing the roster spot. KP decided against this, since he likely would have had to wait until the 2010 deadline to find someone to take on the rest of Darius’ then expiring contract.

Indiana is doing that with Tinsley, and now NY is effectively doing it with Marbury (much too late), hoping to still find a trading partner.

by Norsktroll on Jan 10, 2009 6:44 PM PST up reply actions   0 recs

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