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Final piece candidates

With all these trade propositions lets get an idea of who we want to target first before we go throwing out wild trade proposals and we have 10 fanposts like "TRADE IDEAS ZACH BACK TO PDX??"

I say we use this fanpost to first debate what this team needs first and then how to get it later.

Our current  team as constructed is hopefully going to dominate the NBA soon. We have strength across the board and pieces that fit very well together. However as it currently stands, many feel that we need one final piece to complete this team and go from a good team to a great team. The great thing about our situation is that we do not need a player that can score 50ppg so he should be easier to acquire than a star as we have 3 already.

IMO, we are set at the C, PF, and SG positions as it stands and I have confidence that our PG situation will work itself out as well as we have the right mix of experience, scoring, defense and playmaking, and someone should rise to the occasion.

However it is at SF where I see the possibility of adding the final piece. Our current combo of Webster, TO and Batum show promise but I feel that they this is one area that we have the greatest need and therefore I feel that the most logical improvement to the team is to get a starting, defensive oriented, 3pt shooting SF to complete our team.

TO may never be the greatest on ball defender but I feel that what he will be able to bring to the 2nd team will be enough for him to carve out an important role on our team, ala the scorer/sparkplug off the bench with Rudy.

First off, let me say that, while starting is an honor, it is not indicative of talent, but rather of fit. We all know that Roy, LMA and Oden are going to start but it is who fits best around them and allows them to shine whi is going to get to start, however much like last year the starters are not nessicarily the best players on the team as Blake and Pryz were ofen pulled in tight games in the 4th Q.

I do not feel that TO will ever be the starter per say, but as stated above, I do not think it matters as much on this team as it does on other teams. TO will probably come off the bench but will still play important minutes at SF in the 4th Q and will be highly valued on the team. I just hope Travis sees it the same way.

Webster on the other hand is the current starting SF and I feel that he has the most to prove in this upcoming season. First off he needs to learn to get up and play hard at all times. Too mane times I have seen him drive on the offensive side and go up for a shot and coming down in a heap with no basket. Instead of sitting and pouting about the no call, he needs to get back and defend his man that is not on the opposite FT line and is attacking his hoop with him still on the baseline with the ref. Secondly, he needs to learn to lock down on his opposing player and defend him at all costs. Lastly, he needs to hit 40+% on his 3pt shot and creat a viable threat to open up the court for Roy, LMA and Oden to work in the paint.

I have gone on record many times in saying that on a per 36 min basis, only 3 younger players that were here in 06 did not improve markedly and those were Jack, Sergio, and Webster. Jack is gone, Sergio is on thin ice, yet Webster has not had much attention shown to his progression. Roy, LMA and TO all posted improvements in their per 36min stats and even though TO has been in the league for 2 more years, in terms of PT he has only about 700mins more in those 2 years, making them similar in NBA age.

I do not mean to be hard on Webster but rather will be watching him closely for signs of improvement.

With that said, for me the only logical final pieces that would work on this team would have to be a starting SF that would feel comfortable with allowing the big 3 to shine, while providing high efficency, outstanding D and outside shooting. To me the most logical players that should be our final piece are:

 

1. Tayshaun Prince

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Overview: A ridiculously long wing, who has surprising athleticism and a fairly polished perimeter game. Owner of a 7-2 wingspan. Very much on the skinny side. Hasn’t gained much weight since entering the League, but it hasn’t hurt his play. Shows surprising quickness and speed in the open floor. Quickness, length and skill combination allow his to be an impact player on both ends. Shows great intensity on the defensive end. Named to the NBA All-Defensive Second team in 2005 and 2006. Has an unorthodox left-handed stroke, but has developed into a nice offensive weapon. Very durable and tough despite his frame. One of the most versatile talents in the game today. Has a winning attitude, which he fostered at Kentucky under Tubby Smith after winning two state titles at Dominguez HS in Compton, California. Helped the Pistons win the NBA Championship in 2004. Cousin JP Prince plays at Tennessee.

Offense: Extremely versatile offensive player due to his height and relative length for his position. Scores in numerous ways. Capable of spotting up on the outside, running the floor in transition, taking his man one-on-one, and working over smaller defenders in the post. Interesting shooting mechanics. Keeps his elbows extremely wide and lets the ball fly from his shoulder. Tough to argue with the results. Mechanics make his shot almost impossible to block. Great shot selection. Accurate from three point range. Capable shooter off the dribble. Likes to pull up going left. Tough to guard off the dribble due to his length and deceptive first step. Good ball handler. Nice post game. Turns right to the point that he’s very predictable. Will get some easy looks from in close by working off the ball. Very high basketball IQ on the offensive end. Has improved significantly over the last few years. Great complimentary offensive player.

Defense: Detroit’s best and most versatile perimeter defender. Perhaps the second most important player on the team defensively behind Rasheed Wallace. Draws the toughest perimeter assignment in most cases. Length allows him to contest absolutely every shot. Wingspan allows him play off his man and still get a hand up on everything. Deceptive quickness helps him deny penetration. Looks impossible to drive around when he gets in his defensive stance. Deflects a lot of passes. Can guard three positions. Not an ideal post defender due to his size, but he fights for position. Standing reach makes him tough to shoot over when he goes straight up. Decent rebounder. Great shot blocker who prefers to try and negate fast breaks and easy layups. Not a risk taker in the half court. Makes an impact on his physical assets alone.

 

One of the ultimate glue players, Prince would be the GREATEST addition to this team I could imagine. He could come in and provide us that veteran leadership along with Blake and Pryz and could defend the opposing teams best perimiter offensive threat. His age is by far the closest to what we are looking for and has just enough left in the tank so that he should be able to last for our championship runs. He is used to deferring scoring and individual accomplishment for team success.  How we would get him without giving up one of the big 3 I do not know, but if KP could somehow facilitate a trade to get him I will personally carve a statue of him in front of the Rose Garden out of a tree. The only way may be using a 3rd team as an intermediary using RLEC, Diogu, a few 1sts and Webster to move a star to Det and we get Prince in return.

 

2. Shane Battier

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Overview: The ultimate role player who is capable of doing a little bit of everything. Plays the 3 and the 4 effectively. Has good size and strength, but lacks ideal quickness and explosiveness. Arguably the most fundamentally sound player in the League. Can score in a variety of ways, but functions primarily as a jump shooter. Isn’t a one-on-one player and tries to score by playing his role in an offense rather than asserting himself unnecessarily. Might be the best defensive forward in the NBA. Does the little things. Extremely high basketball IQ. A coach’s dream. Has been a winner since his youth, garnering the Naismith award as a senior at Detroit Country Day high school and the Wooden Award as a senior at Duke. Possesses great leadership skills. Comes through when it counts. Becomes an extremely valuable asset to the Rockets when he is knocking down his perimeter shots. Plays a ton of minutes.

Offense: Extremely sound and efficiency offensive player. Gets more than half of his offense as a spot up shooter. Very good in that role. Will hit shots from three point range with very good consistency—most of his shots come from behind the arc. Never takes a shot without his feet set. Very selective. Very predictable off the dribble. Tends to go to the rim when he drives right and pull up when he drives left. Won’t assert himself off the dribble very often. Great finisher at the rim despite his lack of athleticism. Knows how to use fakes and protect the ball with his body to finisher with contact. Could should a better percentage from the foul line, although he rarely gets there. Passable ball handler. Good offensive rebounder. Great passer. Not turnover prone. The ideal system role player. Scores all his points in the flow of the offense. Doesn’t do anything outside of himself.

Defense: Probably the most fundamentally sound defender in the game. Won’t reach unless he knows he’ll get enough of the ball to keep the play in front of him. Not afraid to get on the floor to grab loose balls. Gets in a good stance and moves his feet. Will block shots just by maintaining good position. Always gets his hands up on shooters. Understands the nuances of contesting shots. Great help side defender. Always knows his rotations and will slide over to protect the basket when his teammates get beat off the dribble. Loves to try and take charges. Calls don’t always go his way. Will commit smart fouls at the rim when he knows a player isn’t good from the line. Great defensive intangibles. Amazing awareness.

 

Battier would be a welcome addition to the Blazers lineup. A better shooter than Prince and Marion from 3 and a great defender as well. Prince and Battier ran neck and neck for the first position, but in the end the extra youth of Prince won out. Battier would hopefully be able to teach our young team even more veteran tricks and improve our team tremendously.

 

3. Shawn Marion

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Overview: One of the most athletic players the NBA has to offer. Incredibly versatile. Rebounds, defends, scores points, is lethal in transition, and was an outstanding compliment to Steve Nash until he basically forced his way out of Phoenix. Possesses endless amounts of energy, and seemingly never leaves the floor. Most effective at the power forward position, despite standing just 6-7. Has a great wingspan. Struggles to come to copes with what he is—which is one of the best role players in the NBA. Extremely well compensated over the years, but has always transmitted a sense that he is getting the short end of the stick. Will his game hold up as his athleticism begins to decline?

Offense: Very adept at moving off the ball and finding spots to receive a pass and explode for a finish. Doesn’t miss around the basket. Runs the floor like a deer. A great target for lobs. Has one of the league’s most awkward shooting forms—flings the ball at the rim from well in front of his chest, but sees decent (although not incredible) results as a spot-up shooter. Somewhat limited offensively--needs a great point guard to create shots for him. Lacks the ball-handling skills needed to create his own shot or pull-up off the dribble. Doesn’t always seem to know his limitations. Relies very heavily on his athleticism to make plays, which worked extremely well for him playing next to Steve Nash. Decision making can be poor at times.

Defense: Extremely active and very effective thanks to his superb physical tools. Has excellent lateral quickness and recovery speed, but is also very strong for a player his size. Capable of defending multiple positions on the floor, either on the perimeter or battling inside. Very good at getting in the passing lanes and igniting fast breaks. Also an excellent shot-blocker thanks to his superb length, timing and explosiveness. A very good rebounder as well on both ends of the floor. Has a tendency to get lost at times, misplacing his man, rotating to the wrong spots, overextending himself, and gambling excessively. Will get beat at times, or even a take a play off.

 

Marion would be a wildcard, as there are some possible attitude problems, but Nates Beijing frind, D'Antoni will be able to tell him the indide goods on whether or not he would work with us. He is an amazing defender and rebounder and would fit in well backed up by LMA and Oden. Hopefully as he has aged, he will realize what he can and cannot do and will be more accepting of a lesser role. His age is of some concern, however he is quite possibly the best athlete in the  NBA right now and even if he tapers off, he has so far to fall, he should be performing at a level higher than most others by the time his contract is up with us and we can decide on him from there. He will also be the easiest to acquire as he is a UFA next year and we should have enough to sign him as well.

 

4. Ime Udoka

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Overview: A quality backup small forward who does the little things to help his team. Solid size and strength on the wing. Owns a big wingspan. Runs the floor well, but is an average athlete overall. Has the skills to be a very good role player. Good shooting stroke from the outside. Rebounds pretty well on both ends. Takes care of the ball, which is key for a rotation player getting limited minutes on a good team. Plays tough defense. Plays under control, but always hustles. Spent time at Eastern Utah, San Francisco, and finally Portland State during his college career. Has played all over the world. A very good player in the NBADL. Needed quite a bit of time to polish his game. Turned a good season with the Trailblazers into a deal with the Spurs. Sister Mfon played in the WNBA.

Offense: A versatile offensive player who provides a nice situational presence. Gets more than half of his offensive in spot up situations. Displays a smooth jumper with decent range. Good catch and shooter player from the midrange. Knocks downs shots off the dribble at a good clip. Not a very good ball-handler. Almost exclusively drives right. Rarely gets to the free throw line. Moves well without the ball and does a good job rotating the ball on the perimeter. Not turnover prone. Finishes at the rim at a good clip. Does a good job getting out on the wing in transition and finishing when he receives lead passes. Not a dynamic presence on the floor, but an effective option in limited minutes.

Defense: A solid defender who makes an impact in his time on the floor. Won’t back down from any matchup. Will physically defend ball handlers make an effort to contest shots. Doesn’t have great lateral quickness at the 2 or great size at the 3, but makes hustle plays. Will get beat off the dribble at times, but is a very aware team defender. Will get on the floor to secure loose balls. Uses his length and athleticism to collect steals and deflect passes. Brings a lot to the table in limited minutes.

What else do I need to say? Its Ime and he is a UFA next year, so maybe KP knew what he was doing when he let him go, only to sign him later when we may need him.

To me those are the only players that would be wiling to go after as other players have too many problems or do not fit a need as well as those listed above. Those include:

Andrei Kirilenko: Would be great but his contract is as bad a Zach's, culminating with $17,822,187 in 2010-11. We would also be helping out a dreaded rival in unloading one of their most horrible contracts which they should have to pay every penny of for giving him that deal.

Josh Smith: Great D'er but is a bit of a head case and has NO outside shot to speak of 25% fro 3pt.

Danny Granger: Great on the offensive end, but too good IMO. He would not want to be 4th fiddle from what I have seen and he has the ability to be the #1 option. His D is OK but would not be as good as the above and he would be VERY expensive.

I am interested in who the populous thinks is the  final piece, perhaps when the year is done Webster has come on and has proved that he can be the final piece. Or Bayless becomes a complete bust and we are on the look out for a new PG when the year is over. Right now we have quite a few good assets available for trade that we can use at our disposal, RLEC, Diogu, Webster, Frye, TO and cap space next year. Hopefully a combo of these assets will lead us to one of the above listed players. I do not want to get into trade proposals in this fanpost, rather come to a general consensus on who we should go after.

 

So I pose this question to you fine BlazerEdge denziens:

 

Who do you think that final piece is?

Poll
Whi is that final piece?
Tayshaun Prince
187 votes
Shane Battier
63 votes
Shaun Marion
12 votes
Ime Udoka
26 votes
Other SF
32 votes
Other PG
17 votes
Just other player, coach etc.
14 votes

351 votes | Poll has closed

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The Blazers are most in need of zero turnover

Keeping the players they have is the biggest problem (I wonder about Aldridge and Bayless).

Also, as for your 5 position breakdown, great teams have three top players, bad teams have more or less than 3 top players. Guys like Outlaw, Fernandez, and Bayless are tremendous luxuries. Frankly the Blazers roster from top to bottom is way too talented and the ship might burst at the seams.

by 0004248939 on Sep 8, 2008 8:39 PM PDT reply actions  

Well all of this is pretty much academic until about the trade deadline anyways.

Who knows maybe Webster can show enough this year that he can become that type of player. I’m not holding my breath too hard that he can but he may surprise me in the end and that would be the best and easiest thing in the long run, but I’ve said before, I’m hopefully pessimistic in that I do not think it will happen but I hope it will.

The next 40-45 games of Websters career will set him on a path that will lead to a championship or a ticket out of town. I will be watching to see which one he chooses.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 8, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

This is why we can shed Outlaw

and possibly even Frye or Pryz. This frees up contract space and brings in a valuable piece in the form of a wing defender (I vote Prince)

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Sep 9, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Tayshaun Prince

I would vote more if I could.

Prince fills nearly every need we have at small forward. Ideally, a 40% 3pt shooter would be preferred but a career and last season average of 36% isn’t too shabby considering all his other talents. He has been to the EC finals every year he has been in the league. I think everything else I could say has been covered in the main post.

Devil's Advocate or just argumentative?

by Magnum on Sep 8, 2008 9:08 PM PDT reply actions  

I tried my hand at the trade machine

Prince for Webster, Frye, Sergio=
Prince for Outlaw, Frye, Sergio=
Prince for Pryz and Webster=
Prince for Pryz and Outlaw=

I have a feeling that the trades that include Pryzbilla are probably more desirable for Detroit, because they’re going to need a center since Rasheed and McDyess are both over the hill. Also, Outlaw has more value than Martell trade-wise. So I would have to reluctantly say the deal that is most likely (of the 4 I made) to get the job done is the one we are least likely to want.

Devil's Advocate or just argumentative?

by Magnum on Sep 8, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

I would probably go for the 3rd one.

As much as I like Joel, I see that using a 3 man rotation with Oden, Frye and LMA would be possibly better, keeping Frye more involved with 25-30mpg, Oden and LMA going 30-35mpg, with Hill or some scrub cleaning up the rest of the minutes.

It sucks because I like Joel but he may be a bit redundant and if we can move him and Webster for Prince and maybe like a highly protected 1st (top 25 in 09, top 20 in 10, top 20 in 11 and unprotected in 12) so that we could get a possible lotto down the road.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 8, 2008 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Umm, what happens if Oden gets hurt?

We find our team has ZERO true centers – or were planning on keeping RLEC?

Pryz stays.

This is another exercise in solving a problem that might not exist.

LMA>LA!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Sep 9, 2008 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Pryz may be the only

player that he wants in combo with Webster. Diogu, Webster and Sergio for Prince would get laughed out of the league. The only C Det has is Kwame and if we can use Pryz to get Prince than I may be for it.

You cannot use the “What is ____ gets injured” as injuries can happen at any time to anyone regardless. LMA and Frye would be suitable replacements until Oden returned and thinking that Oden will get hurt is a bit defeatist IMO.

But the time Pryz gets traded A) Oden will have at least 40-45 games under his belt to determine whether he can stay healthy and is ready to start to dominate B)it will be in the offseason when Joels future with the team is murky with the emergence of Oden, LMA and Frye as better offensive threats than Joel.

don;t get me wrong I love Joel but I think that he would be worth sacrificing to get Prince.

Let me ask you this, if Joe Dumars called you up and said “I will give you Prince and a 10 1st for Webster and Pryzbilla and a 09 2nd” would you turn that down? Nobody here would.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 9, 2008 9:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Too bad you weren't running the lakers in 1999

When, despite having no centers other than Shaq and Elden Campbell (who was a center as much as Lamarcus is a center), they traded Campbell to the hornets for Glen Rice, who promptly went on to start for a championship winning Laker team.

Or the heat in 2004, who managed to trade away their only 2 guys who could play SF (Butler and Odom) to get a center. That also ended in a championship.

Or, the all-time best one, strangely enough also involving Shaq, Jerry West somehow summoning up the courage to trade Vlade Divac for the draft rights to Kobe Bryant, despite that leaving only Shaq as the only true center and Campbell as a tweener. Another one that has seemed to work out pretty well.

If you don’t want to trade Pryz because he’s a hard worker, high character guy, I’d understand that. Or maybe you think Webster/TO are about to explode would be another valid, but this Oden nonsense is ridiculousAt the end of the day, there’s no way that Pryzbila would contribute more than Prince would to a winning Blazer team. Good GMs understand that in the nba, you have to maximize your assets with regards to their ability to play together. I’d love if we kept him because I really like the guy, but Pryz is a luxury right now. We have potentially the most dominant center in at least a decade on the roster and people consider his backup untouchable?

With that logic, Vujacic, Gasol, Pargo (last year), Foyle, Devin Brown, Diaw, Antonio Daniels. and Brandon Bass should all fall under the untradeable blanket, too, since if Kobe, Bynum, CP, Howard, Lebron, Amare, Arenas, or Dirk get hurt, their team has no other “true” players at those positions.

Sounds a little more ridiculous when you look at it from another team’s point of view.

by Royster on Sep 9, 2008 10:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

with the one exception

that we don’t want to trade away Pryz until Oden shows us on the court that he is as good as we all hope. I’d hate to make that deal in December and have Oden, somehow, only be a 10 and 8 guy with a history of injuries.

Devil's Advocate or just argumentative?

by Magnum on Sep 9, 2008 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah

Pryz isn’t going anywhere until AT LEAST the trade deadline.

1. We need him to allow Oden to grow into his position
2. He probably wont be moved during the season as why would Det give up their starting SF with tons of playoff experience when they are right in the midst of the EC playoff seeding race? Unless Det totally bombs and there is no hope of them getting in to the playoffs, Det will not move Prince during the season. I can see them wanting a D minded big like Pryz, but Sheed can hold the fort well enough for them @ C.

Of course if sheed is moved, all bets are off, but most likely, if there is a Prince trade it will be because Det got swept or bounced early and Dumars goes into full on firesale mode. Sheed is in the last year of his deal and who knows if he will be back and that bodes well for us, with them needing a big, Greg having a full year under his belt and with Det being blown up, Prince may be able to be had for Webs, Pryz and maybe a pick or 2. What we need is this:

1. Det to get bounced early
2. Have them not resign Sheed
3. Go into full on fire sale mode
4. Greg to stay healthy and dominate at the end of the year

Only if those things happen will we have a shot at Prince.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 10, 2008 12:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

And then

we could pick up a backup center in the draft or by trade or by free agency. If Oden is all we hope him to be, we don’t need a great backup.

I’m not sure I want this to happen, but it could. No guarantees Joel will be with us long term.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.

by jscot on Sep 10, 2008 2:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'd go any of them

Sure, number 1 and 2 are expensive, but our starting rotation would be set and we’d consolidate a bit of talent. We’d be better off in the long run, IMO.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Sep 9, 2008 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think

You should try Outlaw,Sergio and Diogu I did and it worked for me

by billyjoejack on Sep 9, 2008 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

and..

plus what though? dumars isnt making that trade…

by danevan on Sep 9, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

its not like their are going out and shopping anyway

This was all just what ifs anyway. I Honestly like the team we have now and believe in two years the players we have can make a run for the title.

by billyjoejack on Sep 9, 2008 7:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+10

LMA>LA!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Sep 9, 2008 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

You could offer Pat Riley Outlaw,Sergio and RLEC for Marion that trade also works on trade mach. And danevan no big deal if dumars don’t want to make that trade we keep our three players. and tell dumars see ya in the Finails in two years with what we have.

by billyjoejack on Sep 9, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why do that when we can sign him next year as a FA?

Mia will not resign him as they woud rather go after Boozer and not spend $10-15mill on 5 more years of Marion when they can sign a big name FA in 09 and then will resign Wade in 10.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 9, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

If we get Prince

for Pryz and Outlaw I say do that deal. I would only do your bottom two.

This team needs a top notch defender. Prince can raise havoc on the outside, against anyone you put him on. I love that guy. Battier, Udoka and Marion… Too old.

by lethaldose on Sep 8, 2008 9:44 PM PDT reply actions  

I went through these exact trades in my head

a few days ago! I’m glad I’m not crazy about my Tayshaun-Prince-to-Portland desires. Outlaw and Pryz seems reasonable to me IF we can secure a backup center in the case of Oden having an injury… (knock, knock, knock)…

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Sep 8, 2008 10:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Childress

can opt out of euro contract next year, still RFA, but could likely be signed by the Blazers.

by BrailleTaser on Sep 8, 2008 10:19 PM PDT reply actions  

I was gonna put him like about 5th or so

but was feeling lazy. Hopefully he will come cheap as Atl will not want him after all he put them through and we can grab him for an expiring and maybe a 1st or something. Diogu and a ’10 1st?

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 8, 2008 10:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

have we gotten any word

on if they have renounced his rights so they can get cap relief at least?

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 9, 2008 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

No, they will make him a QO every year to keep his rights

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

is that speculation

or do you have a link?

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 9, 2008 7:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

A mix. Let's say a speculation you can take to the bank ;-)

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=sheridan_chris&page=HawksChildress-080723

His agent, Lon Babby, said Childress will have the opportunity to opt out of his contract each of the next two summers without having to pay a buyout, though the Hawks can maintain his NBA rights and keep him a restricted free agent in perpetuity as long as they tender him a qualifying offer each summer.

There also was a report that the GM and ownership group of the Hawks intends to do exactly that. Why shouldn’t they? They wanted to have Childress at least as a sixth man, just not at this price. No need to let a #6 pick walk free to another NBA team. And they can: Atlanta will be far under the cap next year with the expiring Bibby contract and Josh Smith re-signed for pretty cheap. The cap hold for the Childress QO is no real problem for them.

NBA teams usually even keep the rights to players long retired to keep them from pulling a Brett Favre move and other things, until they really really need the cap space. Philly this year waived guys not needed anymore or even retired ten years ago to scratch together all the cap space they could get for Elton Brand. Similar with the Clippers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=PlayerMovement-2008-09
Philadelphia, RENOUNCED: Louis Amundson, Micheal Bradley, Alan Henderson, Herbert Hill, Rick Mahorn, Derrick McKey, Kevin Ollie, Shavlik Randolph, Rodney Rogers
Clippers, RENOUNCED: Shaun Livingston, Dan Dickau, Boniface Ndong, Smush Parker, James Singleton, Marcus Williams, Quinton Ross, Nick Fazekas

Unless ATL plans a major major move next year or in 2010, they will keep Childress’ rights until he rusts in Europe or wants to come back. They won’t give him up for free.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

maybe

he will still count at 300% of his last salary which would be well over 10 million.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 9, 2008 5:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have loved Tayshaun so much ever since he did

THIS to Reggie Miller in the playoffs that one year.

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 8, 2008 10:23 PM PDT reply actions  

Beautiful!

I like Prince’s little stutter-step as he times his leap appropriately. Sheer beauty.

by DonkeyShins on Sep 10, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure if we're allowed to mention his name because

gasp he admitted to smoking reefer, but I’d throw Josh Howard in the mix. Versatile, real active defender, decent shooter, young, and a relatively upstanding guy (involved in politics, spoke out against the war). I don’t hold it against him that he has the courage to speak the truth about his choices (I do blame him for answering questions about it in the middle of the playoffs, but that’s not so much a character thing in my eyes).

That being said, Tayshaun is really the only choice here, maybe Childress. He literally fits every single need we’re looking for from the 3-spot. The other guys would be great in the short run, although at this point, I’m not sure Ime is even an upgrade over Webster, but, realistically, we’re probably not winning titles in the next couple years, so it’s probably worth sticking with Webster/TO and seeing if they can put it together unless we can get one of the three guys I mentioned above.

by Royster on Sep 8, 2008 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

great clip....

What a key moment. Winning a game with defense (like Oden vs tennessee). That play says alot about his intensity and hustle. and what he could provide to the team……….Prince, Aldridge, Oden could be the best defensive backcourt in the league. Even just based off physical prowess. Tall quick guys are tough to score against…With that front line, I think everybody has about 9 foot reach. Oden and 9’4, aldridge 9’2. Pretty sure Prince is right up there also….
A line up like that, with Roy directing. Possibly with Rudy running around creating havoc, pressuring passing lanes, Or bayless using his death stare on quick guys like cp3/parker.. We could have the best defensive team in the league….The only extra piece beyond that might be a Lindsay Hunter type, you know when he was in his prime..man, that guy could pressure the hell out of point guards, I wish we had that…..but who knows maybe bayless evolves, hard to say….
..
Also, great post. Think you hit it on the head…But if Marion didnt have the ego issues, I’d move him to number two on that list….having oden and marion would be like having two of the top 4 athletic specimins in the game….that list in short order. Lebron, Oden, Amare, Marion….Tmac and Kobe used to be up there but are getting older…….

If Marion put all his effort into defense, a front court line up of Marion, Aldridge, Oden would demolish teams…it would be like 65-70point affairs. Like the pistons. Just absurd.

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 8, 2008 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

The thing about Prince is

that he will probably be the hardest/most expensive to get as well. The list is kinda a decending order of difficulty to get as Ime will be the easiest and Prince should be the hardest.

I have dreamed of a Marion, LMA, Oden frontcourt many a time and are left wondering how any team would score on us at all, get by Marion, oh LMA is there, juke LMA and then you have to get by some guy named Oden. The basket would become like a vault with an increasing level of security through each step.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 8, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

man....

that would be nuts…all those guys from a physical standpoint are incredible, and all, most of all oden, should be considered legit shot blocking presences…….Also, I agree on the order of your list decending starting with most diffficult to get….. I’m already decided I don’t want to give up Outlaw for Battier, (age/ edge in athleticism + he’s money in the 4th).

So as I look between, prince and marion, i see a fundemental difference in demeanor. Both hustle like heck..but while Prince changes games with his hustle and Bball IQ, Marion changes game with flat out intenstity…I’d love to have that on the blazers…Rudy brings intensity as well, just without the athletic package of Marion……but I admit, its fun dreaming of a Rudy, Marion, Aldridge fast break, maybe with Greg trailing and Brandon spotting up……………Marion, Aldridge, Oden make incredible targets for the alley oop.

also from a matchup standpoint, I might too prefer Marion….again, minus the head issues….Prince I dont think can guard Lebron as effectively as Marion given his lankiness. Marion is a little more built, so to speak…and in the next four years, I do see us potentially matching up with Lebron in the finals. Marion could bring an in your face intensity at the three spot probably better than anyone else not named Lebron……

Prince meanwhile, if we could land him, of the guys you’ve mentioned. He’d be our surest ticket to success. Theres no issues with him as a team player. He’s already a champion. He comes in right away and fits with what we’re doing…..He hustles back, prevents fast breaks, locks down on the perimeter, guards the rim, and knows when to shoot and pass.. So from a culture side, he’s golden…..I feel with Oden, Prince, Lamarcus, Roy, possibly Bayless/Rudy. Our defense could rival that of detroit of a few years back……………

again though. Prince doesnt bring that X-factor like Marion does..heck, pheonix even put Marion on cp3. He’s that versatile. He can guard from 1-4. Prince meanwhile guards 2-4. and while him being able to spend some time guarding the 1 shouldnt be an overwhelming factor, the versatility and intensity he brings is astonishing….He’s like a super roided out Bruce Bowen, with nasty finishes at the rim….I bring up him guarding the 1, again in reference to lebron. cuz on offense thats essentially Lebron’s position, and Marion could probably match up better….He’s maybe the only guy that you could put on Lebron, Kobe, and cp3 who would make all of them work to get what they wanted.

hope after next year, he forgets his ego and decides he wants to win championships. cuz he could most certainly do that here….and again, given our cap space. its not unreasonable that we could get him…..

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 9, 2008 12:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

wo....

sorry, didnt mean to write a book about it…….

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 9, 2008 12:23 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'll put it this way:

Prince is a safe bet, you know what you will get and what he will bring to the table.

Marion is a high risk/reward type situation, he will probably cost more, I’m guessing $10-12mill/yr, may have some, I dont want to say character or attitude problems, but lets just say fit problems being a 4th wheel. I feel that he is a better player than Prince but may not fit i well. Like I said, high risk/reward situation.

Hopefully Nate became friends with D’Antoni in Beijing and he can give him the lowdown on what the deal was there in Phx. If we move quickly and sign him right away, we will know that Nate and KP have talked to D’Antoni and Kerr about him and feel comfortable that he would fit.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 9, 2008 1:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

agreed..

i do know, between Oden and Marion, it would be a dunkfest. All that talk about us not getting easy buckets, no more. Rudy and Roy throwing lobs….the Rose Garden would go nuts.. We wouldnt give an inch defensively, than could come down and bam it on them. Right at the rim….with oden blocking all the shots, i see marion being the guy outhustling everyone down court.

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 9, 2008 1:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

That marion mix tape

is really just a Steve Nash mix tape.

"Jerryd is straight ahead at you. Rudy dips around. Jerryd is a rock. Rudy is the wind. Jerryd loves the ball in his hands. Rudy moves without it. Jerryd defends by getting up in your grill. Rudy plays the spaces in between. Jerryd has focused vision. Rudy sees all around him. Jerryd likes to score off of the dribble. Rudy can catch and shoot. Jerryd is aggressive. Rudy is sneaky. Jerryd will hit you hard. Rudy will annoy you until you hit him." -Dave

Word.

by joelor on Sep 9, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

What?

DId you watch the clips? When did Nash get traded to the Heat? Don’t make a comment when you aren’t even going to take the time to read or watch what someone is contributing.

Look at me, I'm crazy protractor face man... give me some candy!

by halfasiansensation on Sep 9, 2008 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions  

Joelor

was referring to the first Marion clip that Broythetruth linked.

“Don’t make a comment when you aren’t even going to take the time to read or watch what someone is contributing.”

"... and with the thirteenth pick in the 2008 NBA draft, the Portland Trailblazers select: David Bowie, of space." Draft Bowie!

by Sarbonis on Sep 9, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks guys, whew! feelin the heat there.

"Jerryd is straight ahead at you. Rudy dips around. Jerryd is a rock. Rudy is the wind. Jerryd loves the ball in his hands. Rudy moves without it. Jerryd defends by getting up in your grill. Rudy plays the spaces in between. Jerryd has focused vision. Rudy sees all around him. Jerryd likes to score off of the dribble. Rudy can catch and shoot. Jerryd is aggressive. Rudy is sneaky. Jerryd will hit you hard. Rudy will annoy you until you hit him." -Dave

Word.

by joelor on Sep 12, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Imagine back to back possessions

with back to back alley oops to Marion and Rudy off back screens. Those seem to be their favorite plays.

by Jiggamant on Sep 10, 2008 2:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

sorry for the typos...

meant to say frontcourt instead of backcourt……the possibilities just had me excited

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 8, 2008 11:00 PM PDT reply actions  

On Marion

if we could bring Stuart Smalley to start working with him then I would be all for it, but I just think he is doomed to be the first or second best player on terrible teams as that seems to be his desire.

As long as we ate thinking about getting guys like TPrince, then I definitely think that Caron Butler should be in the mix. He has a blue collar work ethic, like Prince, combined with some high level skill, but like Prince, it would take a lot to get him, but I can definitely see the Wiz pulling the plug on an experiment that seems doomed to failure outside of the beltway.

As for a darkhorse, I would be interested in Jamario Moon as he could be had cheap and seems to play hard. His outside shooting was nothing to write home about, but it could be serviceable if Oden has five guys wrapped around him in the post so that all shots outside of 10’ are basically uncontested.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 9, 2008 12:58 AM PDT reply actions  

i'd like us to go for more of a 4/3

that could defend the 2. It makes us more imposing physically…..butler is like a 2/3…..
…i love how outlaw is a 4/3 who can pull up for the uncontestable jumper….if we give him up, we’re likely gonna be on the losing end of the deal and will want him back within the next four years….

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 9, 2008 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I dont see why

guarding 4’s is all that important when we have a deep front court already. I personally dont care if our next SF can play at the 4 or not as I just want a guy who will be hard nosed defensively and able to hit shots on the offensive end. I think Caron is really good about doing both of these things.

Outlaw is a 4/3 on offense and has problems with 2/3/4s on offense.

BTW I hate Travis pull up jumper as he shoots it at %40 and it causes him to think it is “wet” and then he decides it is a weapon no matter who is guarding him. This reliance on his go to move really makes his basketball IQ look low. Good players use their jumper to set up easier shots while Travis uses it to set up….his jumper.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 9, 2008 1:22 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah I gotta back jonestr here.

We need a 2/3 to defend the perimiter as with Oden, LMA and Pryz, most of our post D is taken care of. We need that one guy who can make it so hard on the opposing perimiter player to get into the lane, it will make LMA, Oden and Pryz’s job that much easier.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 9, 2008 1:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

there's something to be said

about having a physical advantage on the perimeter….ask lebron and cleveland…..
It gives teams an edge….I dont think 2/3’s can guard Lebron. That’s more the job of a 3/4…think Posey, Perkins,…………guess im coming from the perspective of, looking at lebron as threat number 1 in our title window….If we get a 2/3 like the guys you are talking about, I hope he is good enough defensively to cover elite 1’s. Meaning, he’s gotta be able to give cp3 fits. Cuz thats who i see as threat number two to our title…We’re not gonna put Caron on cp3, and clearly he is not athletic enough to guard Lebron. Didnt the wizards usually have to put jamison on him…So which major threat does he nuetralize as our perimeter defender?Roy can already guard the 2…..Guys like Shawn Marion. Teyshawn Prince. Those guys would be difference makers…. Perhaps shawn Marion more so because of his versatility and athletic prowess.

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 9, 2008 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think we may be making too much of the situation.

Brandon is a 2 for us and is 6’6 225lbs.

for comparison:

Marion: 6’7 230lbs
Prince: 6’9 215lbs
Butler: 6’7 228lbs
Sefolosha: 6’7 215lbs
Battier: 6’8 220lbs
Webster 6’7 229lbs

LeBron: 6’8 250lbs

In looking at LeBrons splits, he fared worst against the Mavs averaging only 17ppg, on .344FG, 5.5apg, 6.5 rpg in 2 games and against Det with 19.3ppg on .426FG, 4.7apg, 4rpg in 3 games. He lit up NY for 42.3ppg in 3 games, Mem for 38 in 2 games, Min for 37.5ppg in 2 games and surprisingly L*L for 37 i 2 games.

We held him to 30.5ppg, on .426 FG%, 7.5apg, and 12 RPG!!! Once Oden coes back we will drop that some and from the looks of it either Howard or Prince would be the best bets to stop LeBron.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 9, 2008 2:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

i think

people who watched that old cleveland detroit series know Lebron can score on the guys from detroit…In fact, I’m pretty sure he lit it up once Mcdyess fouled out. He was the only detroit guy that matched up with Lebron physically….I think Prince length makes LBJ take tougher shots, but usually then he just takes it to the cup. Or uses his body to create seperation………..interesting that Howard did the best job on him (perhaps given his recent comments he could be had easy)…His style of play is tough, and I like that a lot…For a small forward he is physical..Nate would love having that physicality on the perimeter……..Having that, and Oden. Makes us one of the soundest defensive teams in the league.

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 9, 2008 2:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

Acquiring players to deal with one guy

seems a bit shortsighted. If we are going to trade we need to look for the best player for all of our needs, not just a defensive match up against a guy who we would only face once in a truly meaningful game/series. That is item 38 on my checklist for what we need if we trade for a small forward. The chances of both our team and the Cavs (or whoever) making the finals in the same year are low. Meanwhile we have to get through the entire western conference.

So even though we end up going after the same players, I still think it’s a mistake to worry about one match up problem that no one in the league can overcome.

Devil's Advocate or just argumentative?

by Magnum on Sep 9, 2008 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

no can guard LeBron or CP3

one on one. I just want a guy who will commit on the defensive end. It takes a team to effectively deal with guys like cp3 and LeBron. I will buy that LeBron is a title threat when he gets a decent player to run with him, until then I worry about teams like LA, Utah, and the Hornets.

I would say Caron can match up with many 2s and 3s in the league, which is a high scoring spot. I have said this before, but it seems that people want Roy playing point, being active off the ball, and now he has to guard what on many nights will be the teams best scorer. I dont think Roy will last very long if he is being taxed that hard. Go back and take another look at Caron. He has always been a hard nosed defender in the league.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 9, 2008 11:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

I should of put my darkhorse as well:

Thabo Sefolosha

check it:

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Thabo-Sefolosha-280/

His best attribute and what has gotten him noticed and on the floor for the past 4 years is his defensive ability, showing excellent aggressiveness and toughness, super long arms, great understanding of how to defend spaces, and the footwork, timing and hands to place himself in the right spot at the right time. He excels both in man to man and team defense, showing very good awareness and being quick to rotate and cover for his teammates. He’s an active player who plays with purpose and will come up with plenty of steals and even your occasional blocked shot.

and

Playing in the very strong Italian first division, Sefolosha is always asked to defend the opposing team’s best player. He has shown throughout the season that he can face-guard players from positions 1-3 without any problems at all. He is extremely intense on this end of the floor, being very pesky and getting right up in his man’s face on the perimeter. On team defense he is just as good, having the athleticism and feel for the game to know how to guard space and get the job done on rotations and pick and rolls. Defensively he is aided greatly by his terrific footwork, but also by his quickness, wingspan and intelligent style of play. Sefolosha is a true stat-stuffer, blocking shots, getting in the passing lanes, and enjoying doing all the little things for his team.
His best attribute surprisingly enough might be his rebounding ability. Sefolosha has phenomenal hands and timing, so his aggressive demeanor, activity level and wingspan help him out greatly in this area. He’s got a great nose for the ball and takes plenty of pride in this area as he’s more of a small forward at the European level anyway. Often times he’ll crash the glass and ignite the fast break on his own.

I think the Bulls are high on him but we could send Webster and a 1st over and that may sway them enough hopefully.

I would call this more of an indepth discussion of who our last piece is. I specifically said that we should not jus throw trades out there, but rather discuss who we feel is that final piece that will allow us to dominate.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 9, 2008 1:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

who knows

that guy may be able to be had for peanuts as coaching changes can really hurt a players value in the league. He may be gettable next year. I would definitely like to see a guy like this on the team, but he doesent fit the outside shooting requirement, but as I said with Moon, having an inside presence may make those shots go down easier.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 9, 2008 1:37 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was just looking on blog a bull and the realgm message boards

to get a feel on what Bulls fans think of him and they say his J is terrible, but he it is a DARK horse and he may be had cheap as you mention. He is just 24 so he has some room to grow hopefully, but I have heard people rave about his athleticm and feel for the game.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 9, 2008 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

The guy is another soft Euro, you know that, right ;-)

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 2:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Oh, and DraftExpress says we already have that type of player as a "worst case"

Nic Batum: http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nicolas-Batum-537/

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

forgot to say

I really liked your post, but as per Dave’s new rules this obviously belongs in the fanshots

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 9, 2008 12:59 AM PDT reply actions  

Danny Granger (for skills + potential) or Tayshaun Prince (for skills and experience)

I want no part of Battier or especially Marion (price/age). A player like Udoka is not the “final piece”, someone like this (age/skills) is a nice veteran role player to back up what we have.

Another guy the Blazers might be interested in is Josh Howard, who is a really good wing defender and able scorer despite being a little undersized. He does nothing outstanding, but everything very well. His “character problems” are vastly overstated, the guy is a very good kid working hard on his game and his community projects and let’s face it, a lot of NBA players smoke weed occasionally. Yet Dallas might be willing to trade him in a few months if he doesn’t come back to All-Star form immediately. Not my favorite final piece, but he might be a target KP has in mind.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 2:49 AM PDT reply actions  

Two Things

First.
I would like to know the ages of all these guys before I make a choice. What if they are so old that they just need replaced after two years?

Second.
Outlaw and Webster should be on the poll out of fairness.

Kilroy was here.

by tominhawaii on Sep 9, 2008 4:26 AM PDT reply actions  

Good point. Ideally a "final piece candidate" should fall in line with our other guys, might be a little older, but not "aging"

All the SF guys mentioned so far in this thread as far as I can see, in ascending order of age:

  • Nicholas Batum, 12/14/1988, 19
  • Martell Webster, 12/05/1986, 21
  • Rudy Gay, 08/17/1986, 22
  • Josh Smith, 12/05/1985, 22
  • Travis Outlaw, 09/18/1984, 23 (i.e. 24 in a few days)
  • Thabo Sefolosha, 05/02/1984, 24
  • Josh Childress, 06/20/1983, 25
  • Danny Granger, 04/11/1983, 25
  • Andrei Kirilenko, 02/18/1981, 27
  • Josh Howard, 04/28/1980, 28
  • Caron Butler, 03/13/1980, 28
  • Tayshaun Prince, 02/28/1980, 28
  • Shane Battier, 09/09/1978, 30 (happy birthday)
  • Shawn Marion, 05/07/1978, 30
  • Ime Udoka, 08/09/1977, 31

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not sure on Prince's injury history

But given that he’s undersized weight-wise for a 3, the wear and tear on his legs is probably lower than his age would indicate.

by DonkeyShins on Sep 10, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ironman

5 straight years of 100 games. The only worry I might have is he may be wearing down a bit, but with TO spelling him and a 24 min split, he can come in and play his heart out and not worry about grinding down late in the season.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 10, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

Great fan post

No Marion — too much ego, not young enough. Athleticism can decline quickly, skills usually not as quickly. Too much chemistry risk for too little upside because of longevity. Not the answer.

Battier — probably not available except for a very high price, though that may change by mid-season. Depends on their chemistry. A little long in the tooth, but I expect him to have a longer effective career than Marion. A decent option if he comes available for not too high a price. Doesn’t perfectly fit our time line, but doesn’t carry the risks that Marion does.

Prince — obvious choice. Very expensive. Will have to give up lots of top talent for him (Rudy or Bayless plus Travis, or perhaps it would even have to include LMA). Probably too expensive. Would be a great fit for us, though. Doesn’t hit the 3 as well as I’d like.

Ime — not the long term solution. Age is a factor. When guys who live on hustle start to slow down, their hustle isn’t as effective. Not available until next summer — is he going to be better than Martell? Not too sure about that one. Ime is not really an NBA starter. We need someone who is. His skills are a perfect match, though — good D, good spot-up shooter for 3. If he were 2 years younger, perhaps.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.

by jscot on Sep 9, 2008 6:40 AM PDT reply actions  

I don't see any of those SFs being available...

…………………………… the Blazers need to play out the season and see where they’re sitting. Marty or Travis could have a break-out year. Stranger things have happened.

"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."

by timbo on Sep 9, 2008 8:13 AM PDT reply actions  

The 3 spot

It is interesting that this position is getting talked about so much…the team is looking a lot better on paper and most people think we are still weak at this spot…me included ….no matter what Outlaw and Webster bring to the table (and they both have attributes) but, they are not complete players…unless you steadfast hold on to “potential”
     I think they will start the season…look at the players they have, and begin to evaluate short comings….They have a new mix and it will take them awhile to see what unfolds …by the trade deadline they may have a more honest feel for what needs to happen.
    IMO, both Outlaw and Webster will not be the solid 3 they are looking for and they will be evaluated as backups or role players….
   If a deal came through for Prince, I think they would jump on it…he looks to be the best fit and also a team player…..Also young enough to be around awhile…looking at the current roster players not likely in a trade mix, would be…(In order)
1. Roy
2.Oden
3. LA
4.Rudy
5.Pryz(But we have Hill)
 Most likely(players they could part with)
1.Sergio
2.Webster
3.Outlaw
4.Diogu
5Blake
6.Fry
7.Bayless
Attractive players(excluding Roy,LA,Oden
1.Rudy
2.Outlaw
3.Pryz
4.Bayless
5.Blake
6.Fry
7.Diogu
8.Webster
9.Sergio

Let the season roll out…find out who performs and move on to the next level, if needed..
You have to remember, the Blazers are on schedule to progress to the next level…playoffs first…..so how many good (or potentially good)players will be comfortable at the 9-15 positions on the team….It will hurt younger players to sit and not play… So some will stay on as backups and others will jockey to get traded ….This is why the most likely trades will involve Outlaw and Webster…The boys at the 3 spot…which for now, is the weak spot on the team….

I invented boxer shorts

by 67 on Sep 9, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions  

By the way

SpyderRyder, I forgot to comment on what a great post this is..I sometimes get to blabbing so much, I forget to communicate…Good job and good points….They would not be sorry, if they got Prince….May be a costly deal, but shopping at Wal-mart doesn’t always get you the goods, either. I don’t know if anyone said this but, he has been durable too. An important factor when building a team….Oden didn’t help us much last year…of course injuries are always the x factor….

I invented boxer shorts

by 67 on Sep 9, 2008 9:47 AM PDT reply actions  

The ultimate fiinal piece

is Lebron James. The only question is how do we negotiate a sign and trade with Cleveland without giving up one of the big three. we could put any other scrub on the floor with those four guys and win for a long time.

I mean really if we going to prognosticate, lets go “all in” with our dreams.

by NWfan on Sep 9, 2008 11:10 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

LBJ might

be the one piece it makes sense to trade Roy for. Sacrilege I know, but both have some similar skills in their playmaking and defensive prowess. You’d start Rudy at 2, and we find Rudy is not much of a let down from Roy on the offensive end. On the defensive end, yes, but James improves your defense at the 3 and might make up for that.

by greyhound9 on Sep 9, 2008 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup, I'm almost positive acquiring the only player under 30 in the league who has no "best case" ceiling might be a good thing...

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Cleveland wouldn't consider trading LeBron to us

unless we gave them Oden in return.

Roy’s reputation around the league is not yet what it someday will be. A common view, especially in the Eastern Conference, is that Roy is at the level of Michael Redd or Rip Hamilton, and that he has already hit his ceiling.

I wouldn’t trade Oden for LeBron. Yet somehow, I keep thinking we will get LeBron. I have no rational basis for that feeling… just as I had no rational basis for thinking in 2005 that we would get Oden.

I shoot layups like they're jumpers.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 9, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Really?

I trust feelings and have a much better feeling about our chances of acquiring a really good player next year than a lot of fans seem to have, but that’s one I never had. We would have to offer something like this to even get Ferry to come to a meeting to discuss a trade for his superstar, and I can’t really imagine a scenario that makes LeBron want to go to Portland in free agency when Cleveland can give him more money, and NY/NJ can give him more media attention.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/features/traderesult?players=1966885454322530272795&teams=22225555&te=&cash=

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 1:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

That particular trade is a booger

that I flick away, onto the nearest Laker fan. But you are right, that’s what it would take to get Cleveland to trade LeBron to us… right now. In two years, GO and our other players should be worth a lot more and our Big 3 will be on their max contracts. It wouldn’t take so much to get LeBron then.

Your other point about LeBron not wanting to go to Portland is just as big an obstacle. I don’t think he would do it even to get a championship. From what I’ve read, he’ll go to New York if he doesn’t stay in Cleveland. I doubt he believes Portland is big enough for his lifestyle and career plans.

I didn’t say my feeling that we will get LeBron is rational. It looks about as likely as David Stern and Clay Bennett announcing in tears at a presser that they can’t live with the guilt of ripping the Sonics away from Seattle and are going to move the team back and build them a new stadium out of their own pockets.

I shoot layups like they're jumpers.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 9, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Realistically, the only way they'd consider trading us Lebron

unless they knew for sure he wasn’t going to resign with Cleveland would be to minimum give them Oden/Roy or Oden/Lamarcus, which we would never do. LBJ is a force of nature. Essentially an Oden-LBJ trade would be like Chicago trading MJ in 1990 for David Robinson or Hakeem Olajuwon. Those guys were amazing centers and players, but MJ was MJ.

I love Roy, but he’ll never be Lebron, who is essentially the perfect physical specimen for basketball. Just like Oden’s physical ability puts his ceiling way higher than say, Z-Bo, Lebron is just uncharted compared to every other wing out there.

by Royster on Sep 9, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I have never been hyped about Lebron

Would I like to have him…Probably…he is probably the best individual player in the game of basketball..and can still get better….Something is lacking in his play that turns me off..I think it might be the way he plays as a team….he looks baffled out there sometimes on designed plays….and also makes a lot of wrong decisions when he does get stopped (not very often)….Just some observations…He just doesn’t seem like money in the bank (all the time) when he is counted on to be the guy….It could be the players he plays with…he’s so much above their level….And when you have a player of his caliber, it may turn the other four into spectators…..
   Anyway, they need a 3 ,one within the realm of possibility.

I invented boxer shorts

by 67 on Sep 9, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Same here

Don’t get me wrong, I still think he’s really good, but I don’t think he really fits this team. He would command everyone play around him. Even in the Olympics, I felt like he didn’t mesh well as a team player. He didn’t demand the ball that much, but I don’t know.

I’d like to see him improve his outside shot and free throw percentages. But, I guess it doesn’t matter when you can go to the hole and dunk at will.

LBJ isn’t worth it to me. Maybe because I’d like to see THIS core of guys stay together.

Beaver believer!

by mannyfresh1 on Sep 9, 2008 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

I remember discussing Lebron to portland in depth....

Lebron a Blazer
Mortimer i think summed it up best….
 
It’s not gonna happen
And would be dumb of us to do, BUT WHAT IF—

LMA becomes a top 10 PF, dominant at times, and our leading scorer. Bayless becomes a dunking shooting Tony Parker. Travis wins 6th man of the year.

And then Lebron lets the Cavs know he is NOT re-signing with them after his 3 year deal is up (2010). They gotta get something for him, because he’s just going to leave otherwise (similar to us and Sheed).

So, the best deal for the Cavs turns out to be a LMA, Bayless, Trout package. Most teams are scared off of trading talent for Lebron, because everyone believes he is signing with the Brooklyn Nets. No one thinks they can keep Lebron on their team even if they put together a deal the Cavs agree to (and if he isn’t going to re-sign with them (which I believe is what will happen, he’s leaving the Cavs), they HAVE to move him or they’ve lost the most valuable asset in the entire NBA for nothing). So Portland rolls the dice, moves some key players who are very good, and gets Lebron for the end of the season run.

The Blazers are criticized for moving an allstar and leading scorer in LMA, a young PG scorer in Bayless, and the 6th man of the year, but no one can deny Lebron is worth it—but no one believes he will stay in Portland (because he won’t).

However, the Blazers win a championship with Oden, Lebron, and Roy. People talk dynasty. Paul Allen buys Lebron an island.

We have his Bird rights, and can sign him to as much as legally possible. He remains a Blazer.

TO BE CLEAR: While I wholeheartedly believe that Lebron IS leaving Cleveland and that they will be FORCED to trade him or somehow get something back for him (perhaps a sign n’ trade for whatever the Nets or Knicks got that is good, so that Lebron can be paid like the Knicks or Nets had his Bird rights—like how Rashard got the extra years and extra money from Orlando), and I believe all non-New York teams will be scared off from trading for Lebron before his deal is up, and I do think in a perfect world where our players develop as we hope that COULD be good enough to get Lebron because the market will be bad for Cleveland because everyone knows Lebron’s intentions, I do not believe this will happen in a million years.

My main point is: Lebron HAS to be traded for Cleveland to get anything for him, and he is NOT going to stay a Cavalier. He’s the best player in the NBA in my opinion, the most dominant individual around, and no one is worth him. BUT, for the Cavs to get anything for him, they’ll have to take what they can get.

In the end, I believe it will be a sign n’ trade between the Cavs and the Nets, where the Cavs get the best pieces the Nets will give up so that Lebron can get paid like he stayed in Cleveland but get to be in Brooklyn, as fate decided long ago. If the Cavs don’t like the pieces the Nets are willing to give up and won’t cooperate, then Lebron leaves anyways.

No matter what, the Cavs are getting screwed here.

Ya know… if teams are scared off enough from trading for Lebron and the Nets don’t got the right pieces for it to be attractive to make a sign n’ trade from the Cavs POV, maybe cash, draft picks, Euro talent, and non-Big 3 pieces could work.

Obviously this is all academic, except for the part about Lebron leaving Cleveland. He is leaving Cleveland.

And that means in 2010 the Cavs are going to get majorly screwed one way or another.

Mortimer

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 10, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you

If we’re dreamin’ then dream big. Some trade proposals are like masturbating to Velma. I alway masturbate thinking about Daphne. When I go “all in,” I invite Velma, Scooby, and a Costco-size jar of creamy Skippy peanut butter.

Kilroy was here.

by tominhawaii on Sep 9, 2008 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

+ 1

I think it would fit in the Junk drawer…But would the girls like it?

The nearer your destiny, the more you keep slip-slidin away…..

by 67 on Sep 9, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

I stayed on topic

Analogy

Similarity in some respects between things that are otherwise dissimilar.

Every day I read fanposts to trade for some guy who’s three years past his prime but still thinks he’s in his prime. I put more thought into my analogy than some people put into their trade ideas.

If someone wants to write a trade idea they need to look beyond the stats and need to consider how the guy will fit with the roster and if he can be around long enough to contribute when the Big 3 are coming into their prime. If they’re not going to do that, then they should at least write trade proposals that are worth getting excited over.

Kilroy was here.

by tominhawaii on Sep 10, 2008 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

As far as I'm concerned there are no trade proposals involving Blazer players

that are worthy of discussion this season. That’s the real junk.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Sep 10, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions  

500 words is not junk

Here is a good junk drawer poll: What is more irritating, another trade proposal with the usual suspects or a lame diary or comment by tominhawaii?

Kilroy was here.

by tominhawaii on Sep 10, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Ooh. A conundrum...

Does your comment include a reference to a bodily function?

by DonkeyShins on Sep 10, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

Bodily function.

I think jscot is gonna barf.

I shoot layups like they're jumpers.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 10, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Only in the junk drawer

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.

by jscot on Sep 10, 2008 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Danny Granger has my vote

Defensive stud at SF. Can play SG if needed (if say, God forbid, Roy had to sit out for a few games with an injury). Think Prince with greater athleticism and a higher ceiling.

by Storyteller on Sep 9, 2008 2:30 PM PDT reply actions  

If Roy sits out, Rudy plays

Granger wouldn’t play much if any 2 even with Roy hurt.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.

by jscot on Sep 9, 2008 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

or..

granger would get minutes over rudy…no question

by danevan on Sep 12, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm with you on Granger, only he seems to be a 3/4 like Travis

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

He is too used to being the man and

would probably not like being a 4th wheel. That is the quandry with guys like Granger, LeBron, etc. We need someone who fits a very specific skill set: 3pt shot, great D, and veteran savvy.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 9, 2008 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

3pt shot - check, great D - well, yesterday somebody said "awful", but pro scouts say "solid". Tell me more ;-)

I wouldn’t put Granger anywhere near the same category as LeBron. But the guy can flat out score, and while just like most players mentioned in this thread he is hard to get it would be immensely is more realistic.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

That is the thing he is SO gifted at putting the ball in the rim

that he may not like going from 20-25ppg and 15-20fga/g to 10-15ppg and 10-15fga/g. His D is not the problem, the problem is him wanting to come in her and play 4th string, which is something that the others listed here have done.

The same goes for LeBron and Butler, Butler is a AS and the Bron is the Bron.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 9, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

Who wrote the rule we can't acquire a player to score about the same or more than say LMA?

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 9, 2008 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the idea is

we have 3 really talented players who we want to develop above anyone else on the roster. So we don’t want to make a trade that stifles their development before we can get a glimpse of their full potential (or as close as practically possible). I say if we’re going to label it a big 3, then we get role players. If it’s a big 2, put Aldridge in these trade scenarios. At least some of them would look reasonable. Aldridge and Outlaw for Caron Butler or Granger or whoever.
I don’t think a team can have 4 of their 5 starters looking for 15 shots a game. I don’t think the Suns were able to do that.

Devil's Advocate or just argumentative?

by Magnum on Sep 9, 2008 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yup

Unfortunately this is not NBA2K9 or the Olys and we cannot put all these AS players on the same team and have it work. Players want to play and the majority of them want shots. We need to find that player who does not want shots, he wants to help the team and win rather than go for personal accolades.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 10, 2008 12:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

What the populace thinks:

Hey. Pretty colors!

No. Seriously, this is a great post. These visual aids really help me become a better b’ball strategist. And of course they help me understand our players better and thereby become a more knowledgeable fan. This is a great asset when picking up chicks.

Winning is everything.

by MT Suit on Sep 9, 2008 4:51 PM PDT reply actions  

That explains the avatar

I shoot layups like they're jumpers.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 9, 2008 5:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

LOL!

I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I

by TwoDeep on Sep 10, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

Just to make sure the loose ends are tied up about the Z-Bo to Portland business

Probably all that New York would ask for to make it happen is RLEC + 2nd round pick
Trade Machine

Z-Bo is much youthier than Raef, plus he has the whole “southpaw, you think he’s shooting right, but he’s really shooting left” thing going on as well.

by tingeyga on Sep 9, 2008 8:03 PM PDT reply actions  

I am absolutley positive that this team could be perfect in every position...

and some of you people would want to trade half of our roster just so that you could blather on about trades.

I just have to sit here and shake my head in amazement and befuddlement over this.

LMA>LA!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Sep 9, 2008 8:51 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

+1

The mentality seems to be “lets trade two or three of our under 25 guys for a guy who is 28+ and only marginally better than our young guys are now.”

Fortunately, KP is in charge of trades rather than some of our fellow fans….

T Prince would be a terrific upgrade and worth a healthy price, the rest strike me as completely unrealistic or completely absurd.

I think there is a reasonable chance that Webster is going to grow to fill the bill.

To the Tradaholics, keep playing with the trade machine, but keep your mitts off our young players until we see what we need, and what we can afford to trade away. As docs like to say, “First, do no harm.”

by upper left corner on Sep 10, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I agree

I would say Oden, Rudy, and Bayless are quite likely the final pieces to the puzzle.

Perimeter defense has been a complaint over the past three years amongst BE posters. Rudy and Bayless both appear to be upgrades over Jack in this area. The Blazers should be better at stopping penetration and thwarting it when it happens with Oden or Joel on the court for 48 minutes.

Depth in the frontcourt has also been a huge problem. I find it ironic that the complaints last year were about how soft the team was after Joel went out of the game; but now that the Blazers have two strong centers, some fans want to trade one of them, because Joel is “redundant.” We might have some flexibility to trade Joel if Steven Hill is as good as some of the insiders are saying. He impressed in Summer League but that is what it is…any discussion of trading Joel cannot end with Oden,LMA, and Frye being the answer or just picking up some big body in the draft. You have to have a better plan than that to replace Joel if you include him in a trade.

Replacing JJ33’s 3 pt shooting is also an issue. Blake and Outlaw shot over 40% last year. Outlaw is different because his shots came primarily from the corners so he doesn’t stretch the defense as much, but Webster also shot right at 39% and has improved his % and # of makes every year in the NBA. If he breaks 40% this year and hits around 120 from behind the arc, he will win the threepstakes (that is for you tih) on this team. And that doesn’t even include Rudy who could prove to be a marksman from deep for this team.

The pieces are here. The guys mentioned in the main post could help the team for sure but the cost to get any of them is probably too high right now. There might be some movement but I just don’t see the need at this point.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 13, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Whatever

Next you’ll tell us that Paul Allen has the money to pay these guys what they deserve.

"Sometimes GSoM can be the WWE of basketball!" - Tony.psd

by tominhawaii on Sep 13, 2008 2:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

What?

No mention of the invention of the word “threepstakes”? That is what we are left with at this point: competition for the SF position. Will it be Martell or Travis? Will Rudy play so well that Nate will move Roy to the 3 with Blake or Bayless at the point? Or will KP make a move to bring in the “perfect SF”?

2008-09 – the year of the threepstakes!!!

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 13, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

This post is really pointless if the guys aren't available.

Prince, Battier, Butler, and Granger would require giving up one of the big 3.

That leaves Marion and Udoka. Marion is far more talented than Udoka; in fact, I’d rather keep Webster and Outlaw than Udoka.

Marion is available next year. The question is, do you want him? Judging by the poll, I’d say no. The other question is, does he want to play here, or sign for mid-level with, say, the Lakers or Boston next year?

There aren’t alot of realistic options, unless you are willing to deal LMA, sign Marion, or stick with what we already have.

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Sep 10, 2008 10:31 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Borderline ITP

I like all of the guys you highlighted. I’ve been a MArion fan for a long time, liked how Prince showed up conventional wisdom by becoming one of the best players in his draft class, think Battier plays the game the right way and just love Ime.

But lets get serious here.

Prince – does anyone really think there is even the slightest sliver of a chance that he’s available in a trade? (If so, you need to have your meds adjusted.)

Marion – much as I love him, the guy was unhappy in Phoenix as the 2nd or 3rd option on offense. Do you really expect him to come to Portland and be the 4th option?

Battier – if we think he’s better than either Outlaw or Webster, why would Houston want to trade him for either of those guys? Battier is their starting SF. He’s not likely going anywhere.

Ime – I would love to see Ime back and in many ways I think he IS the perfect piece for the Blazers. But I don’t see it. That window closed and while it’s probably not nailed shut, I don’t expect to see it opened again.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 10, 2008 11:31 AM PDT reply actions  

I agree, that was my point too.

The thing about Marion is, why does he have to be the 4th option on this team? He could be the first option – it just depends on how you define the roles. Brandon is just as happy passing as shooting – look at his assist totals. Blake is a kickout option on offense, probably the 4th or 5th guy. Oden will get touches but his offense is still raw – short jumpers and dunks. He is a rookie after all, and may foul out a bit for awhile. LMA could be a first, second, or third option; I don’t think he needs to be #1.

If you could sell to Marion that he would be the first or second option, I think he’d bite. Not to mention he plays good defense – Phoenix was not a great defense team, but when Marion left they became alot worse.

Koponen - PG of the future. For Italy, that is. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Sep 12, 2008 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions  

I agree with you but I would also add two players (both from Orlando) on that list....

Hedo Turkoglu & Rashard Lewis, I think both posses nessesary skills to fit well in our team and are proven players. Lewis is a little spendy and Turkoglu is a UFA next offseason, so he would be the most possible option of these two. I would put both betwen Battier and Marion to keep your list going (Probably Lewis at 3 and Turkoglu at 4)

by Trail Ducker on Sep 10, 2008 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Lewis is a "little"spendy??

That has to one of the understatements of the year. His contract is horrible for what he is, and he cannot D a lick compared to the other ones, neither can the Turk.

The season cannot get here soon enough.

by SpyderRyder on Sep 12, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

109 Comments....

and no mention of Jose Calderon or Devin Harris?

Small Forward certainly isn’t our only position without a front line guy. Devin Harris and Jose Calderon would both be great as far as talent, fit, and age. They’re both ready to come into their own at the same time our team will be. They both are great at hitting open shots, creating for others, and at least in Harris’ case playing Grade A defense at the PG position. Steve Blake isn’t going to be a starting point guard on a championship team. He’s just not that good. Jerryd Bayless isn’t the kind of PG you want running your offense for long stretches. His natural playing style is just too selfish. We’re going have to solve this dilemma first, as its much more important to our championship aspirations than the SF spot.

by as11osu on Sep 11, 2008 7:39 PM PDT reply actions  

The poster wanted to keep the discussion around small forwards

And amazingly, everybody oblidged ;-)
Yeah, if KP can find a better “true” PG to replace Blake in the long term or even a package (Billups + Prince, Conley + Gay, whatever you can imagine) he would probably do it without hesitation. But right now we are running the combo guard experiment.

MO, we are set at the C, PF, and SG positions as it stands and I have confidence that our PG situation will work itself out as well as we have the right mix of experience, scoring, defense and playmaking, and someone should rise to the occasion.
However it is at SF where I see the possibility of adding the final piece

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 12, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions  

Good point.

But both seem untouchable. Harris just got moved to the Nets and is their starting point guard. A team that is rebuilding for the future, the Nets are probably not interested in trading a starter who they just acquired. And Calderon just took on a huge contract which I’m sure the Blazers aren’t interested in taking. But who knows – maybe all that talk about cap space next summer could leave us in a good position.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Sep 13, 2008 12:18 AM PDT up reply actions  

You are wrong about Blake...

Blake could be the starting PG on a championship team. He is that good and he is a proven winner in HS and College. You don’t need 5 all-stars to win one and the Blazers have plenty of talent at other positions to imagine a steady, solid, smart, 40% shooter from deep PG helping to lead them to a championship. How much better would Denver have been last year with 25-30 solid minutes from Blake every night?

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 13, 2008 5:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Josh Childress

Great FG% and defense. He rebounds. He is decent from 3 (can improve) and the Hawks will likely give up his rights next offseason as he has a huge cap hold that may prevent them from signing a FA… or the Blazers could get his rights in a bargain basement trade and sign him that way.

Childress is a great fit because he would demand the ball and is very efficient on offense, is young, can be easily acquired and plays defense… he might be the perfect perfect fit.

by neilan on Sep 13, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply actions  

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