this has me worried...
by mandoman10 on Sep 6, 2008 5:06 PM PDT
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PrintPerhaps getting to the finals over the next 10 years wont be so "automatic" and it will be more like 50/50 chance every year.
be afraid.
The point is that any team with dominate scoring and defending centers who seem to be extremely motivated and have a deep love of the game should scare any fan. I dunno? and please dont tell me that he is just tyson chandler and oden is already bill russell. That would be a lame not-thought out response.
sincerely,
the pragmatist.
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Be afraid of what?
Sure Bynum will be a good player but that’s just life in the world’s greatest basketball league. This is nothing to be afraid of. This is a challenge our guys will rise to. Oden and Co. will TAKE CARE of Bynum and Gasol. It’s going to be great.
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I welcome Bynum's recovery
The L@kers need to be strong to make our dominance even better.
The championship year the nearly as great a delight over winning was the sweep of Kareem and the L@kers that year. Dominated them after they were the top seed in the West. I want our opponents to be worthy of us and for our wins to be that much more satisfying. I have not read one analyst who predicted Bynum > Oden.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
Bynum is no Oden
Let’s get that straight. Bynum will be a good center for many years, maybe, just maybe make an all star team or two. Oden, barring injuries, will be much, much more than that. I know it’s all conjecture at this point, but I honestly haven’t ever even seen the two of them as close to comparable. Just my two cents.
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A lot of that AP story is excerpted from . . .
. . . from this LA Daily News piece.
One of the few pieces of the full article not included in the AP story is this:
Bynum said he plans to begin workouts with assistant coach Kurt Rambis on Monday, another step
toward a return from a season-ending kneecap injury that required surgery May 21.
He expects to be as sound as ever when training camp begins Sept. 30.
Ummmmm . . . okay.
And Oden was going full contact a month ago, and is in the 5-on-5 drills now.
Point being, Bynum is NOT there yet, and will enter training camp in less-than-fully-conditioned shape.
He’s about a month or two behind Oden on the ready-to-play-36-minutes-per-game curve,
and won’t be 100% for the start of training camp.
Settle down thar, L[xxx]r fans.
Bynum’s still in recovery mode.
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by QualityPie on Sep 6, 2008 7:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I would love for Oden to study the play of Hakeem in the 94 and 95 Playoffs
In 94 Hakeem was the MVP of league, Defensive Player of the Year and the Finals MVP.
In 95 he made David Robinson look outright silly on his home court right after Robinson had just accepted the league MVP trophy. Then he worked Shaq over in the Finals. Hakeem was on an entirely different level.
Study those offensive moves. That defensive hustle. Observe the mental toughness and tenacity.
Can we hire Hakeem as a mentor to Oden? KP, you have Allen’s wallet. Make it happen!
As you were.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Sep 6, 2008 8:14 PM PDT reply actions
theres another link in the comments...
to a video of Hakeem teaching Yao…you’re definately right. Hakeem would probably be Oden’s greatest teacher…..
That's really cool
Thanks! I agree that having Hakeem work out with GO would be a “Dream.” He appears to be a very good teacher. Beyond that, it looks like he could still be in the league!
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Great stuff
I could watch that interaction for hours. They should have Hakeem help out with all the big guys. Luke seems to be doing a fine job with the bigs but Hakeem’s footwork is like watching a dancer.
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Not hakeem but Sabonis or Walton
It’d be amazing and probably the most realistic for Sabonis to teach Oden. Oden has something that Sabonis never had but the ability to dunk over anyone. Sabonis can help him out with that hook shot Oden is still developing and passing out of the post will be essential for Aldridge and Roy. Plus, perhaps a bit of help with rebounding as a fellow legit 7 footer who had the build of a true center.
Not to mention Sabonis has played his heart out for Portland and is a local favorite. He’s the most likely out of all the legendary bigs. Jabbar is with LA, Olajuwon is with Houston, Ewing is with Orlando, perhaps Walton or Sabonis with Portland?
Walton is more of a just a hope I guess primarily because he’s less likely to move from his current job.
by dyshooter182 on Sep 6, 2008 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions
Sorry - I would hope not Walton
That gasbag would put Oden in a coma before the first drill with his incessant yapping. Better Sabonis as you said.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
how dare you
Walton could teach the big man to throw it down better than anyone.
"Jerryd is straight ahead at you. Rudy dips around. Jerryd is a rock. Rudy is the wind. Jerryd loves the ball in his hands. Rudy moves without it. Jerryd defends by getting up in your grill. Rudy plays the spaces in between. Jerryd has focused vision. Rudy sees all around him. Jerryd likes to score off of the dribble. Rudy can catch and shoot. Jerryd is aggressive. Rudy is sneaky. Jerryd will hit you hard. Rudy will annoy you until you hit him." -Dave
Word.
Sabonis could dunk over ANYONE
before his legs went to hell. Take look at old video of him from the Olympics, matched up against David Robinson
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by Honka Playboy on Sep 7, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
Just a side note about Sabonis
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R88SiQPI5ck
He had a little power, as you’ll see. Still, I’d be more thrilled if Oden could acheive anything close to Sabonis’s vision and IQ.
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First, who said getting to the Finals each year would be "automatic"?
This is the NBA. Every team is talented, and there’s this little thing called “injuries.” A lot of things have to go right to get to the finals ONCE, let alone every year. If the Blazers get to the Finals every other year for a decade, what in the world would be wrong with THAT?? That probably would translate to at least 5 titles—maybe 7 or 8 considering how weak the East is. So you’re worried about a scenario in which the Blazers become the second or third-greatest dynasty in NBA history???
Concerning the Lakers, they’re certainly one of the biggest obstacles in the Blazers’ path to glory—especially short-term. But the Bynum/ Oden matchup doesn’t concern me at all. That’s a mismatch, in my opinion. Assuming the two players are both healthy, GO should soon dominate. Bynum is a legitimate NBA center with a live young body, and working with Kareem can’t hurt. But GO’s combo of size, quickness, strength, and good hands make him a basketball freak. Bynum will give GO a reasonable challenge, but GO will be much too quick & explosive for him. GO will prevail time & time again—at least once he gets a season under his belt.
As for the Lakers as a team: there the matchup is less one-sided. As long as Kobe is in his prime, that team will be trouble. And experience will presumably have its way for at least another season. But even that’s not a given. Think about it: what happens with Odom now? He and Gasol worked very well together. But now Odom has to move to the three. He’s going to have a hell of a time out on the perimeter guarding the quicker threes in the league. Even the Blazers, with Travis & Martell, should give him fits.
I predict trouble in paradise. Odom will struggle at his new postion, and he’ll complain long and hard about it. Soon he’ll be asking for a trade. I can’t wait…
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
By no means is getting to the finals automatic
Here is what Bill Russell said about champions:
"It’s much harder to keep a championship than to win one. After you’ve won once, some of the key figures are likely to grow dissatisfied with the role they play, so it’s harder to keep the team focused on doing what it takes to win. Also, you’ve already done it, so you can’t rely on the same drive that makes people climb mountains for the first time; winning isn’t new anymore. Also, there’s a temptation to believe that the last championship will somehow win the next one automatically. You have to keep going out there game after game. Besides, you’re getting older, and less willing to put up with aggravation and pain.
“… When you find someone who at age 30 or 35 has the motivation to overrule that increasing pain and aggravation, you have a champion. Rarely will you see an athlete who hasn’t put on 10 or 15 pounds over a full career, but even rarer are the ones who don’t put on the same amount of mental fat. That’s the biggest killer of aging champions, because it works on your concentration and your mental toughness, which are the margin of victory; it prevents you from using your mind to compensate for your diminished physical skills.”
This is going to be something that the Blazers will have to deal with
Agreed--assuming that they win a title to begin with!
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Bill would be
My first choice as a big coach[the game is scheduled,we have to show up and play so we might as well win]but Arvidas is a close second
by southern oregon on Sep 7, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions
Getting to the finals every other year for a decade yields not 7 or 8 championships ....
because there are 5 opportunities. I think we will all be thrilled with 4 or 5.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
Er, you're right
Can you guess that math wasn’t my stong subject? But anyway, even if the Blazers won just two or three of those hypothetical five Finals, that’d be pretty smoking. To win more than two or three titles would call for a LOT of things to go right.
You have to not only keep a great team together for an extended period of time, but you have to be lucky. You need to avoid key injuries at critical times. You need for your team to peak at a time when there are no other powerhouse teams. At times, you need refs to swallow their whistles. And occasionally you need opponents to miss wide open shots in crunch time.
This isn’t the days of Auerbach’s Celtics, when there were only a handful of stong clubs. There’s a lot of parity nowadays.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
"This isn’t the days of Auerbach’s Celtics.....
……, when there were only a handful of stong clubs". Actually in Auerbach’s era, there was only a handful of clubs….period!
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How could going to the finals every other year for a decade result in 8 titles?
"Jerryd is straight ahead at you. Rudy dips around. Jerryd is a rock. Rudy is the wind. Jerryd loves the ball in his hands. Rudy moves without it. Jerryd defends by getting up in your grill. Rudy plays the spaces in between. Jerryd has focused vision. Rudy sees all around him. Jerryd likes to score off of the dribble. Rudy can catch and shoot. Jerryd is aggressive. Rudy is sneaky. Jerryd will hit you hard. Rudy will annoy you until you hit him." -Dave
Word.
Yes.
The thing is though is that if Oden does live up to the player he’s been so long expected to be then Bynum really wouldn’t be on the same level. Bynum is looking to be a very very good player, but Oden is expected to be something very special, a step or two above very very good. The only clear cut advantage they have over us is K*be, and even then Roy isn’t exactly easy to guard for them either. As of right now they are the better team, in a few years when Kobe is starting to settle down and Pau is will be getting older as we start to hit our prime. Lakers have lots of young players to build around for the future, but we have pretty much an entire team of youngters that except for a few guys here and there will all grow together as a team.
pshaw
Bynum cannot stop Oden but Oden can stop Bynum, no problem.
And after Pau and Kobe the F*kers are kind of weak. Admittedly it will be a tough battle.
Winning is everything.
Oden will dunk all over Bynum
in game 1 this year. Just a statement to the rest of the league, Bynum is no Oden.
Bynum
was the most over-rated player last year by far. Lets not forget he only had a three week period were he was playing out of his mind. Remember Flip Murray a few years back, for the first month of the season he looked like a Hall of Fame player then he dropped back down. I’m gonna need to see a lot more of Bynum before I start to believe that he is gonna be a threat.
3 weeks?
he played 35 games and was #16 in the NBA in PER. Its fine to believe Oden will be better, but let’s keep our statements accurate.
Boomshakalaka
You are right about the # of games
but it doesn’t invalidate the point. There is a limited amout of games where Bynum is good (great?) and with him coming off an injury, we know almost as little about how he will play as we do about Oden.
PS it also took him 2 years to get to even that point
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by 92wastheyear on Sep 7, 2008 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Whend did pragmatist=Laker Fan?
I am happy the young man is healthy again, but the only people who think the Blazers should be worried about Bynum are Laker fans.
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by tominhawaii on Sep 7, 2008 12:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I already posted in the junk drawer that I guess Bynum will be better in the first year of Oden
Cause Greg will need time to fully recover and adapt to the NBA game, it will take a while (until the end of next season or the beginning of 2009-10) before he could start dominating. Bynum needed 3 seasons. Howard 2. Long term, you are right that only Lakers fans think Bynum will be the 70% FG, 15 rebounds, 3 blocks beast dominating everybody else for whole seasons.
Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."
As long as...
Rudy doesn’t foul out of game 7 of the WCF while Kobe makes a 3…
We’ll be fine.
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by Outlaw is Rejector on Sep 7, 2008 1:19 AM PDT reply actions
He'll be fine...
You don’t foul out until the SIXTH foul in the NBA!
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by hurryup09 on Sep 7, 2008 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What me worry?
Why worry? All we’ve heard from our perspective is much the same thing anyone from the outside has heard about Oden. I’m hoping Oden has recovered and has a fantastic season and from LA’s perspective they are hoping Bynum has recovered and will have a fantastic season. I don’t worry about the talent of other teams, I respect it, recognize it but if Bynum becomes one of the centers Oden must battle….good for the league. You need a Chamberlain to put against a Russell. Whatever happens with Bynum it’s just part of the game.
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i agree
1000% with this statement. everyone else on this response seem to overvalue oden and undervalue bynum, exactly the opposite of laker fans.
the pragmatist.
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