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Call Your Shot

OK, here's the big weekend topic...maybe the biggest ever.

Even non-Blazer-aligned folks will admit that there's a decent chance Portland is primed for a decade of dominance.  Any Blazer fan with a pulse is starting to dream of championships right now.  So here's your chance to call your shot.  I want to know the season in which the Blazers will win their first championship of this era.  Give us a specific season too, meaning using hyphens, not just the year "2010" (which could be 2009-10 or 2010-11). 

What's more, I want to know why you think that will be the year.  One of the things I hate about modern sports talk in all of its forms is that too many people just give half-baked opinions about every little thing and then only call attention to the ones that turn out right so they look like geniuses.  (That's why I seldom do this kind of thing here.)  Just reading "This year! Book it, dude!" is not illuminating.  Nobody will care in the end whether your year was right or wrong.  It's what you remind us to think about along the way that matters most.

Call your shot, explain your aim...enjoy!

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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the blazers had so many problems as far as i can remember and no matter how talented they were they could not get it done. I hope they win the title in the 2009-2010 season, but I dont think they will win the title. I just say what I really think if that was the quetion.

by RipCity on Sep 5, 2008 11:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's fair

If you don’t think they’ll win one in the upcoming decade you can say that too.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 5, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unacceptable.

Pessimism should not be encouraged nor tolerated during this Blazer Era. Comments like that make me as frustrated as when fellow Oregonians (friends even!) tell me they won’t follow the Blazers because they still associate them with the Jail Blazers.

We have the youngest and likely the most talented team in the league with arguably the best coach in the NBA right now and hands down the best GM in the league. Not to mention an owner with deep pockets who loves spending money on our Blazers. What part of that scenario deserves any pessimism? You sound like an East Coast sports fan with that talk. We should be about hope.

Blazermania is back. Time to start drinking the kool-aid.

by fysho31 on Sep 6, 2008 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfettered optimisim

This drives my just as frusturated as the downers. Of course there’s a chance things won’t work out, and if we’re all only thinking of what can go right, then we’ll be mighty dissappointed when things go wrong. Of course, that feeling is because I’m so optimistic that I need to hold it in check in order to keep from exploding with blazer pride!

by Gelvalst on Sep 6, 2008 6:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm there with you

I don’t like to hold it back though. 08-09! Boom! I said it! Here we come to shock the world! lol

by MattyDread on Sep 6, 2008 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dude

the quetion was not what i hope or what i feel about the blazers. It was what i think. I can see that we have all the talent but i cant imagine Blazers winning a ring, I just wish everything work out. As far as I can remember Blazers allways have problems, if its not jailblazers then it injury to our best players. It just seems to me blazers wont win i think if they get lucky and everything works out they have a chance to win, but its only hopes, thats all.

by RipCity on Sep 6, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

im mean

its still does not matter what we think or hope in order for them to win or not. If they win i will be real happy if they dont then they will have to trade bunch of out players so we have more hopes, and as the same quetion.

by RipCity on Sep 6, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rip, at this point ....they might win it all multiple times

or they might not win it at all. Those who think that they will not are pessimists (by the very definition). Not a realist…but a pessimist. Remember, nothing is decided, yet. I can’t imagine watching games (and seasons) where I thought the team was gonna fail…forever. I would quit watching if I thought that way.

Styx -"I'm schizophrenic....and so am I"

by 92wastheyear on Sep 6, 2008 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RipCity, care to explain...

why you think they wont win a title? I know you said that you think they wont, but why? Not enough talent? Too tough of a conference? Give us some specifics.

The inbound to McGinnis, drives, stops, pumps, shoots, short, no good...AND THE GAME IS OVER! ~ Bill Schonely

by SandbergOnSports on Sep 6, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rip clearly means

that due to a long history of Blazer beatdown from 1978 forward therefore the future will resemble the past. Close but no cigar. I HIGHLY disagree but can understand that as a “Battered Wife syndrome” fan myself who has been there and seen the nightmare of blazer doldrums. This however feels very different it feels like 1990-92 but with a new feeling of confident dominance. I see at least 4 dyed in the wool winners on this team (Rudy, bayless, Oden and Roy) something that was sorely lacking in the early 90’s with only Porter and perhaps Williams really having that feel for me.

I believe it will be in 2009-10 if everyone stays healthy. This is because I think that if Oden’s potential dominance is realized the rest of our talented team will put us over the top. Oden is the engine of a giant truck outfitted with swivel mounted weapons of various sorts. The main gun (Roy) will take out most opponents and if not him then our surface to surface missle rack (outlaw, rudy or Bayless) will blow other teams off the road. Think “The Road Warrior” if Mel Gibson had unlimited ammo and weapons.

He's Coming! Oden Slayer of Giants

by Idog1976 on Sep 6, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not exactly what i mean

Blazers had the longest streak making the playoffs and the only big mistake they made was not drafting Jordan other than that they were always one of the best. I just say that Blazers wont win cuz I dont have that feeling that they are super man. I feel that they are special team but i dont have that feeling like they are the intimidating team. Maybe after I see Oden play with athority I will feel different, but I dont feel like a pessimist, because the reality is not always going to go by our sweet dreams and we can only hope that Blazers will win. If some one has the proff or facts that show that the blazers will win then i want to see it. If I could see in the future then i would tell you if they won it or not.

by RipCity on Sep 6, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A curse then?

It sounds like either you think the team is cursed, or have been burned by hope so many times, you’re afraid to get your hopes up.

It’s understandable. I mean, all our lives, we’re taught to not get our hopes up out of fear of having them dashed. Our parents went to great lengths to protect us from disappointment. I tend to think that allowing disappointment to cripple us is something we should grow out of though. Especially if there’s even the slightest iota of truth to the quantum theory that belief and expectation can influence the outcome of something.

I see a lot of people espousing “realism” that is not realism at all but rather cynical apathy in disguise. While I understand the need for skepticism in various walks of life to protect yourself, I don’t think professional sports fandom is one of them. It’s that one arena where (unless you have a compulsive gambling problem) absolute unchecked positivity and indulgent optimism cannot hurt you at ALL. So why not indulge and hope for the best, I say? ;)

by zaruga on Sep 6, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha ha

its not that i dont hope, acually I allready said I do. I will see how the blazers play this year and then make my pridictions cuz now its no point for me to do it. I just dont think that we are good right now to win it all and i dont know whats going to happen tomorro so I just leave it at that, cuz nobody knows if they will win or not. But in my point of view they are not ready now.

by RipCity on Sep 6, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

show some proof

that they won’t.

Styx -"I'm schizophrenic....and so am I"

by 92wastheyear on Sep 6, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

just look at the blazers history its an answer in it self

by RipCity on Sep 6, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ad Hoc ergo Propter Hoc

What’s the influencing factor that, by your words, always spells doom for the Blazers? The weather? Colliseum gnomes? Fate?

by zaruga on Sep 6, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dudes

whats up with you guys. I just think that they wont win not because i feel depressed, i just say it cuz I dont see Blazers as dominant to win the ring. My opinion might change when I see how they play and see that they can hang with the best of them on a regular baisis.

by RipCity on Sep 6, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Irrelevant

Like they say in the finacial ads “past performance does not indicate future results”. These are not the same players.

Styx -"I'm schizophrenic....and so am I"

by 92wastheyear on Sep 6, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

ads are just to make more money thats all

by RipCity on Sep 6, 2008 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

they might win one ring but right now there is so much talent in the leauge that its hard to know who is going to win what and thats even not including injuries that happen along the way.

by RipCity on Sep 6, 2008 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You

sound like you know what you are talking about. Look at the Yankees. Weren’t they in the same boat after they won their last title. Whats happened to them

life is like a bank, you can only take out as much as you put in. -Cal Ripken Sr.

by winnerwinner on Sep 7, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dont think they are going to win another title

Unless they can really come together and win it by 2010-11 at the latest as the mayan calendar ends soon thereafter. When that happens their window will be shut.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 5, 2008 11:51 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Mayan prophecy

You don’t think that our boys will be transformed by our passage through the center of the universe, and evolve into basketball infused super beings?

by zaruga on Sep 6, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

an excellent point

it seems that you and I are the only ones who can shed the kind of insight that BE so desperately needs

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 6, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

It’s a universe half empty, universe half full thing I suppose. One man’s apocalypse is another man’s transcendence. ;)

by zaruga on Sep 6, 2008 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I saw that on Discovery or History Channel

And now I wish I had typed that. Poop.

by dvcastle on Sep 6, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2010-11

We have too much talent on the team right now. We need to consolidate down to our core.. and then fill out the roster with reliable role players. I think it’ll take roughly 2 seasons to properly do that.

I do see the championship starting lineup looking like this… Bayless, Rudy, Roy, LA, & Oden….—> absolutely deadly!

I think both Webster and Outlaw are capable of filling that 6th man spot.. but I definitely see one of them moving on before or during the championship run. Frye and Pryz will ride it out… they’ll be money off the bench and happy doing it.

the wisdom of peasants is demonstrated in their ability to pretend that they are fools.

by sagebru5h on Sep 6, 2008 12:06 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You are right

This year we are going to beat Utah for the division title. Next year we are going to make an awesome run. The year following, 10/11, we start our dynasty.

I was thinking Webster would end up being the odd-man-out until I read the Outlaw article. It almost sounded like he had one foot out the door. Too bad, he’s my favorite.

In your lineup, are you saying that Rudy Fernandez is our small forward?

by dvcastle on Sep 6, 2008 10:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not necessarily...

We will have a unique backcourt. it has been discussed in other threads, but I see Bayless, Roy and Rudy rotating positions from offense to defense in order to compensate for Rudy’s “poor” defense. I say “poor” simply due to the fact he lacks the strength to keep large small forwards out of the paint… Roy would do much better. Nonetheless, the offensive potential for this lineup is unfathomable… and that is why I see a three guard lineup.

the wisdom of peasants is demonstrated in their ability to pretend that they are fools.

by sagebru5h on Sep 6, 2008 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I likey

Love the idea of having our best 5 out on the floor.

by dvcastle on Sep 6, 2008 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too much talent on the team

That’s always a problem. Bring back Josh McRoberts and Taurean Green.

One of my fan posts got 50 signatures. And you thought I was egotistical before. But nobody can do Ego like I can.

by jscot on Sep 6, 2008 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good points

i think you are right with the line up of bayless, rudy, roy, la and oden… i see the team being like during their 13 game winning streak where they had a different guy step up each night with core stars LA, Roy and Oden. The challenge is they have so many potential all stars in LA, Bayless, Rudy, Outlaw and even Webster… I have this gut feeling Webster breaks free and has a big year

by HisBoyElroy on Sep 6, 2008 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

go ahead and shoot me

I see magic this year, or possibly next. Something BIG is going to happen….

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315

by johnv59 on Sep 6, 2008 12:21 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

PS

I have been watching the NBA for over 35 years, so I’m not just being a homer… But of course, I could be very wrong! ;-) Can’t you “feel it in the air”? Here it comes Blazer fans…. get ready for the ride!

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315

by johnv59 on Sep 6, 2008 12:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Magic will win? ;-)

I don’t have them penciled in to win the East until 2010-11 when they might land a front-court of Chris Bosh and Dwight Howard. Then we might meet in the finals…

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 6, 2008 1:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm almost with you

I think if the Blazers stay healthy and Nate utilized the bench, that the Blazers can go deep into the playoffs. I think in seven games they can beat any team in the NBA. I also know that sometimes LeBron or someone else throws a turd in the punchbowl and messes everything up.

I figure the Blazers potentially could win at least 10 rings. I also feel that LeBron, is going to get a ring one day. Boston will still be good next year. The Spurs are old but they’re not done. If the Blazers stay healthy, I don’t know why they can’t win seven rings. Shaq and Kobe should have at least six rings if they could have just gotten along. I see the Roy/Oden combo as similar to that combo and the Blazers also have LA. Oh and Rudy, Bayless, and Frye, and Outlaw, and Webster, and ….

"Belly up again, on a non conference road game." - Guess who ESPN was talking about.

by tominhawaii on Sep 7, 2008 12:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2010-2011 (probably a popular answer)

Like others I see this year as a maybe/probably playoff year with lots of improvement but a lot of growing pains assimilating new, key players who haven’t played in the NBA before. Hopefully we make the playoffs barring injuries to key players. Big upside is we win the NW division (I think this is do-able).

2009 offseason: decisions about Blake, T-law, etc re: picking up last year of contracts and whether to sign any free agents. Nate’s contract gets extended.

2009-2010, the key players really start to gel and we make a deep playoff run. Optimistically they take the title, but I think they probably aren’t there yet by then.

2010 offseason: KP may hold cap space for this year and in doign so may be a relatively big name on the team, although they may not need it. Lots of other big names move around.

2010-2011: Team is powerful and other top teams are still working out kinks with new superstar players moving teams. BRoy and LA are in their 5th years and the team takes the title.

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Sep 6, 2008 12:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

PS

sorry about the typos – normally I proof better but it has been a “fun” night . . . .

put a body on 'em

by RayBourque on Sep 6, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hanging out with the captain? LOL

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315

by johnv59 on Sep 6, 2008 7:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2010 - 11 yes

Moved from “The Junk Drawer”, for my convenience.

Our other "Number One" Center drafted, played four years of College Basketball, under a legendary Coach.
He led us to the NBA Championship in his third year. The PTB had been building with high draft picks for a few years but where new a this process of building and had a priority of providing immediate entertainment, not winning a NBA Championship.

Then there was the ABA dispersal draft. A couple key ingredients were added to Our Team. Bill Walton was in his third year of NBA play (classic) 24 years old when we won it and started to dominate. There was a Coaching change also to handle the high performance team that was assembled.

G.O. is very young, with one year of College Basketball and another of recovery from injury observing the NBA play.

I am not that impatient to expect immediate domination by Greg in his first year. He has a great Team to play with. I will enjoy the couple Seasons of development. Oden will still be younger than our last Center that led us to the "Promised Land".

If Our Boys surprise me vying for the NBA Championship sooner than 2010 – 11, they have exceeded my expectation and are one of the most exceptional NBA Basketball Teams ever.

"He doesn't let grass grow under his feet when there are points to be had." - Dave

by BlueBooYay on Sep 6, 2008 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Recreating my reply in the junk drawer

Walton played in only 86 games total the first 2 years because of injuries. In his rookie year he shot over 50% and scored 12.8 per game with 12.6 rebounds and 2.7 blocks. If Greg plays most of this year he is capable of similar numbers. So using Walton as your reasoning doesn’t seem appropriate unless you are predicting only 35 games this year for Greg. Walton was healthy his third year and we won the championship.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Sep 7, 2008 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

But I will go with 2009-10. My reasons:

Internal

1. Portland will have had a year of the present team growing together, with most likely no major moves coming (the talent is there, and chemistry trumps messing with that). They will gorw into the roles more fully year after next.

2. Portland teams don’t slow burn to the top. Every contending team we’ve had came out of nowhere (excepting the 99-00 team, but that was due more to the nature of how that team was assembled). 76-77, first playoffs, first title. 89-90, would have been the same explosion of RIP CITY and surprise as the 76-77 team, had they won it. We talk about the 99-00 team, but what about the 98-99 team? Who saw them coming? This point is a stretch to extrapolate, but I have a feeling they will win earlier than expected. we always have had that surprise vibe, and we seem to have shed that choke vibe as of late (the closeouts this year were noteworthy given our recent history).

3. System. Each successful era had players buying into a system they knew (again, 99-00 was a different beast from what I remember. System was our biggest disparity against the Lakers), and Nate has been here long enough to have a feel for the players and they a feel for his system.

External

1. Age. Off the top of my head, I think we will be seeing a less evenly balanced field in the next couple of years, with more top teams declining than there are up-and-coming teams taking their place. That is not to say competition will be weak, but the also rans will be of diminishing quality (we already started seeing that happen this year). Kobe, Duncan, Garnett will be great still, but older.

2. Windows. LA, New Orleans and Houston (and maybe Boston/Detroit) look to have good windows right now (assuming Houston can stay healthy, a big assumption. Same for Boston). A lot of other teams need to do more than just bench tooling to be in that same category in 09-10. In two years the landscape could (and will) look different, but we have the best starting point right now, and are set up better than any other team right now, meaning putting it all together (mentioned above) is the last step, and coming up soon.

3. Free Agency. We all talk about how getting one player can turn a franchise around, but no one talks about the time frame. As good as stars are, they have an adjustment period as well. The quick results are usually the players who come in and match perfectly a system already in place (Buck for us, Rodman for Chicago, Clyde for Houston). Lightning in a bottle like Boston is not bankable, and the players in that class don’t strike me as the type to be a Buck or Clyde or Rodman; i.e., will need time to adjust/can be exposed by better teams.

I will never waste a beer. There are too many sober kids in India. -Rod Benson

by supremepuntiff on Sep 6, 2008 12:47 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Well done.

Love the break down. I think our window gets smaller after 2009-10. I also think that’s when we need to make our push. It’s far enough down the road that our core will have some good gel, but soon enough that our spirits won’t be dashed by too many previous shortcomings. I worry that if it takes too long to make our run we lose that drive from our young talent.

by fysho31 on Sep 6, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I don’t have to write anything. I agree on all points.

One of my fan posts got 50 signatures. And you thought I was egotistical before. But nobody can do Ego like I can.

by jscot on Sep 6, 2008 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2011-2012

One year for the team to play with Oden, Rudy and Bayless

One year for them to make a deep playoff run

One year to hedge my bet

In 2011-2012 they’ll all be at the beginning of the prime of their careers

by grimc on Sep 6, 2008 1:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can't really make a well thought out prediction because I don't know

how Bayless and Fernandez are going to fit, and how good they will be. If Bayless turns into the great point guard we need him to be, Fernandez plays like Manu off the bench then I think the Blazers could win it next year or the year after. Realistically probably the 2010-2011 season.

When Roy said it takes some luck he wasn’t kidding. This teams success is heavily depending on whether or not Oden, Aldridge, and Roy are healthy during the playoffs.

by BRoyInThe4th on Sep 6, 2008 1:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2011-12

My initial thought was 2010-11, but I’m going to change it now.

08-09 – year of decisions, probably return to playoffs, the journey begins

09-10 – post RLEC/Salary Cap aquisitions, Oden/Rudy start year two. finish in top 4 in West. Adjustments made with other departures/acquisitions. come up short in WC Semis

10-11 – we are rolling now. win NW division, top 2 seed in West. one of the favorites to win it all. however, we come up short either in the WCF or Finals

11-12 – we come back from the disappointning end to the ’11 season, and roll through the league, finishing with the best overall record, which lead to a Game 6 home victory over LeBron and the New Jersey Nets.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Sep 6, 2008 1:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would have to go with 2010-11 season

but I wouldn’t have considered this team going for .500 last year. My reasoning for the year is 2 fold. First, there seem to be 2 types of teams when there is a lot of potential. Those that disappoint and those that deliver when no one sees it coming. I think that if this teams has the opportunity they will take full advantage of that. They should be able to be a bit better than a dark horse for a title run at the end of next season, and as long as there is a reasonable shot at it (ie. there isn’t a team out there that for certain has them beat before they step into the arena) then I think I would have to say this team will rise to the challenge. Second, the way KP has wheeled and dealed so far, and given our current situation, there will be a lot of chips on the table in the next year. That man should be able to play the hand that he’s put together well and accelerate the time table. He should be in a position to put together a deal that will be tough for most people to refuse, and get that piece that we need.

The safe answer would be 2010-2011 or even the following season. I would go with that too, but for the afore mentioned reasons I have to give the edge to the summer of 2010. I think there is a good shot for the playoffs this season (to say the least). If this team makes it into the second round this year, thus confirming my suspicion that they rise to challenges, then I think we could likely see the mission accomplished by 2010.

by einman77 on Sep 6, 2008 1:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Championship: 2008-2009 (and beyond)

I think experience has become overrated in recnet years, largely due to the success of the SAS, Pistons, etc. If we make the playoffs this year (which is highly likely IMHO), I think we have as good a chance as anybody to win the championship. More so because we have a deep team on paper. I don’t think it will take as long as people think for our team to gel, and I think that should happen within the 82 game season. If we can get our rotation set by the 65 game mark or so, and are in a position to get into the playoffs, I think we can wear out every team we face. Consider that our only weakness is our youth, and lack of proven stars. Let me put it this way. If Greg Oden and Rudy Fernandez have seasons good enough to be considered for ROY, there’s no reason that we won’t have enough talent to beat anybody in the NBA next season. No team has as much potential depth as we do, and that is an absolute fact.

Andy Roddick has the most wimbledon titles in the world. He just hides them in Federer's trophy case

by premthegrem on Sep 6, 2008 2:09 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Excellent point

Once the “second season”, aka the playoffs, begin it is a whole new deck. Either we are everything we think we are or not. If we make the playoffs this year then that shows we are, and our depth appears staggeringly good.

If we make it to the playoffs at all, why not all the way?

by dvcastle on Sep 6, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2009-2010

This year we make it to the WCF and get beat, either by the L*kers or Rockets (if Yao is healthy). The “surprise factor” was brought up earlier, and I believe its a valid one. However I dont think it will be enough to take us all the way this year. Its a wonderful pipe dream and all, but the reality is there are some really good teams on the horizon and not just the Blazers.

However, the Blazers certainly have the components to become the greatest out there. The team we have right now is already shaping up into something to be proud of. The chemistry and work ethic alone are something to behold. We have a team that is deep enough in the bench where we could just out hussle other teams. By the time most starting players get to the playoffs, they have played the equivelent of 70-82 games by themselves with bench players filling in the remaining time. With our bench, our starters will be lucky to see more then 60 total played games. Thats a huge advantage. And for an already young team to have that. Wow. Those will be some exciting fast paced playoff games. Why do you think analysists look at benches during the playoffs so much? Its because the players who carry a team the furthest into the playoffs usually are the bench players. Those wonderful “X factor” players. We already have a load of them.

As for the gel period, I have this sneaky suspision that the team is already there if not pretty dang close. We have a team of selfless players who want to go out there and play team ball. Granted we still have some spots to figure out (like PG and SF) but it will happen this year, and it will happen faster then people think.

Its a great time to be a Blazer fan for sure.

"OK, it's going to rain tomorrow. And there is going to be a Greenpeace meeting and hippies are going to be protesting" ~ The Buffet of Goodness on Portland

by Blazer on Sep 6, 2008 2:23 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think

that the Blazers match up well against the L*kers.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Sep 7, 2008 1:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all in front of them.

I’d give them one year to gel, a second year to fine tune and go fairly deep into the playoffs, and then expect a deep run and a possible championship in the third year. This assumes that Oden stays healthy.

Next year will involve so many things, and it will be a continuing learning curve for the entire team, and especially the coach. Oden changes how every position on the Blazers is played – just as Walton did his first year. Aldridge and Frye will now focus solely on the PF position. The days of needing two bodies and two games to play two different positions are over. TO will equally be able to now focus on his true position in the NBA – SF. There’ll be better interior rebounding, more blocked shots, and better outlet passes, and the wings will need to get into that flow. And, at guard, we have two different dynamics. We have a new playbook because of Oden, and we have two new guards – both of which will be learning the NBA, Mac’s playbook, and working on improving those areas of their game needed for the team as defined by the playbook. And, as their games improve, indeed as everyone’s games improve, the playbook will continually change. Mac and his coaches will be gelling multiple dynamics – and probably getting their fair share of sleepless nights. There’s a reason Mac commented that he stayed awake all night after watching Rudy play thinking about where and how to use him. He’s probably done the same thing with Oden, and perhaps even Bayless.

All along, Mac and KP will be carefully evaluating these players, as next spring and summer they can still make another move – if they think it’s necessary.

Personally, I don’t speculate on trades right now. One thing I really like about the players we have is that everyone seems to be working very hard to be the best they can be. Further, they seem to be willing to sacrifice personal statistics for team success. Dave’s comments on teamwork were so relevant yesterday. Spain, who very likely didn’t have a single player that would’ve made the US team, was still very competitive. We don’t need superstars at all the positions – anymore than the 77-78 Blazers did. And next year we’ll learn if the players we have, working within the system we can now put in place, can do the job we need done to win a string of championships.

Like so many have already said – it’s a great time to be a Blazer fan. This isn’t, after all, Boston, or Miami of a few years ago, where one year you’re lousy, the next you’re a champion, and the third you have to confront the fact that the only reason you won the championship is you grabbed a couple of superstars towards the end of their careers whose skills will never improve – but only decline. The Blazers have it all in front of them.

by Eben Calder on Sep 6, 2008 6:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2010-2011

I am going to say this year as it will allow us a year to play with our new big free agent acquisition and solidify the rest of the lineup in terms of rotation. It would be great to say this year, but the team will not be gelled enough to do it, I do think they will make it to the second round in the playoffs. In 09-10 we will make the big shake-up and get our missing piece. This year we may actually make it to the Western Conf Championship or even the finals, but I think we won’t quite be ready in terms of how solid our rotations need to be (then again an entire season of playing together will get us close. The 2010-11, the big year. We take it to Lebron and the Knicks and go all the way.

by besaroboy on Sep 6, 2008 8:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

09-10

Portland is going to add that final piece this season to the puzzle, we all know Raefs contract is going to land us a premium Player(Battier) Portland will need to go through a playoff run even if its a first round and out. This season has to be viewed as an audition from every player on the team, once the week links are completely identified Portland has what it needs to correct any and all its personel moves for the future.

  I hate to sound kinda negative but the landscape is going to change in our top 8 by next summer some of the fan favorites and devloping players are going to be gone. Roy,and LA will be going into there 4th seasons and will be nba journeymen, Oden will be turning 40 and his window may be on the decline,(ooops) Rudy has more experiance at the pro game then anyone on the Blazers except Joel. I would almost bet that we only have 6 players that are regulers on the floor with this club come training camp in 09 We will have youth dont get me wrong but the Sergios’s and the Outlaws of this team days are numbered(feel free to insert Martells name here) .

Portland gets to the second rnd. this season, and wins the championship in dominating fashion in 09-10.

by Dragonage on Sep 6, 2008 8:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

#25

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Sep 6, 2008 11:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

eye roll here

"In this galaxy alone there's a mathematical probability of three million Earth-type planets, and in all the universe three million million galaxies like this one, and in all that only one of each of us." -- Dr McCoy, to which my cat brays upon the Doctor's numbers, knowing the universe is infinitely more inhabited, and what's up with the price of tuna these days?

by bow4meow on Sep 7, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would love

to land Shane Battier, or any other wing defender (Tayshaun Prince anyone?). The thing about Outlaw is he is too offensive minded, and that’s not what we need anymore; we have Alrdidge, Oden, Roy, Rudy, and Bayless who can carry offensive loads, not to mention other players who are capable of hitting shots. Bring Prince or Battier to Portland!

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Sep 7, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2009-2010.

Our team will revolve arund Roy & Aldridge. King Kevin will hear by kight them both as ready and fully able to carry the load. But the weight they carry will be decptively lighter than the most noble of stars and there in lies the key to this years quest for the holy grail.

Our kights 3-11 are off the charts in talent. Points. We have so many men who are gearing up physically and mentally, taking the offseason workout so seriously it is downright scary.

But the key to calling this shot, is our newest and most powerful member of the Blazers roundtable, Sir Lancelot err, Sir Oden himself.

The power, discipline and versatility will meld and grow swiftly, suprising most experts. The yellow clad nemisis from Mordred will fall this year.

No fairy tale, just fact. This year, right now, the legend will be born. Think not? Well remember this, it has come to our fair city before.

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/14573-POD/1612812~The-Accolade-c-1901-Posters.jpg

The Oden Era, Day 435

by Heymoe on Sep 6, 2008 8:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2008-2009

Your sites knucklehead meant THIS YEAR, 2008-2009.
Kryckee.

The Oden Era, Day 435

by Heymoe on Sep 6, 2008 8:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2010-2011

Year after next. I’m going to go away from popular opinion and say we won’t win a championship until Webs, or T-Law (or both??) are traded for a PG or defensive SF. We have a great starting five. I like Marty and Law. But we need a dominating starting five. We need to get a great two for one, or three for one player and round out the bench with guys like Hill, and Jackson (they “know their role and shut their mouth”). I hate to say it, but we have too many good players.

My favorite teams are the Blazers and any team that is playing the Lakers.

by OCBlazerFan1 on Sep 6, 2008 8:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Still four years out...

…2011-2012.

Consider ‘08 – ’09 the year of the launch. We’re just coming off a 41-41 season – not minus, not plus….zero. For the first time, the nucleus and general cast of characters is in place. You could say the present optimism has just about balanced out the pessimism of the recent downturn. Considering the brutal schedule, this year will be all about gaining momentum and chemistry. First round of playoffs is clearly possible but upper echelon teams are still too savvy and talented.

Having tasted the fruit of a winning season, ‘09 -’10 promises another trip to the playoffs. Expect a major acquisition this year at the SF or PG position. This will require a minor adjustment period as popular players may be involved in a trade. The new player will be considered the “final piece”. A deep playoff run is probable as the formerly elite teams begin to fade. Over-enthusiastic fans are getting antsy and despite continued success, begin calling for Nate’s head.

In ‘10 – ’11, the team rallies behind Coach McMillan and the timing seems right for a championship run, with chemistry, momentum and fan energy all coming together. This year, look for the Blazers to set a new regular-season win record and advance to the finals. With respect for the difficult challenge of winning it all, I’m saying the Blazers will be turned back this year, possibly by the Pistons or Magic.

Like a pack of wild dogs, the Blazers have the taste of the ultimate prize fresh in their mouth and will not be denied in ’11 – ’12. Minor peripheral roster changes continue to fine tune the machine. The core is now entering their prime years and the Trailblazers seem to have it all: chemistry, pride, experience and a following drunk with that old-time feeling: Blazermania.

Beyond 2012, I see two, maybe three more championships. Things are just too fluid in the NBA and people (yes, even Blazer fans) get bored too easily these days. I don’t see any 6-8 year dynasties happening any time soon.

Disclaimer: the above is purely speculation, based on observation over the years. Who can know the future? Only CBass.

by Dr Dave on Sep 6, 2008 9:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

How do we keep all this talent content to be here without winning over the next three years?

(and by winning I mean what we are all wanting – championships).

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Sep 7, 2008 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Lee...

…it’s the steady climb over that span that keeps the players hungry – and the feeling that the championship is inevitable.

Also note that in ‘09-’10, I do provide for the departure of certain players, probably some who are not content to wait.

And I do expect some negative fan reaction if the championship doesn’t come in, say, two years time.

I will gladly admit to being the fool if we win it sooner than ‘11-’12.

by Dr Dave on Sep 8, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see two possibilities: Post 1: 2008-2009

Oden is as big a difference maker, immediately, as Shaq was. The team jells much faster than anybody expects, and we go through the first tough 24 games at a surprising 15-9 clip, and finish with a 54 win season, good enough for fourth in the West.

Home court advantage gets us through the first tough series, and we face the Lakers in the Western semis (#1 vs #4). Down 2-0, we win game 3 at home in convincing fashion, and late in the game Kobe hurts his ankle flying into the stands to retrieve a blocked shot by Oden. (Reports of Kobe’s ankle being twisted by a Blazer fan in the pileup under the basket becomes the stuff of legend.)

We proceed to sweep the next three games against the Kobe-less Lakers. With the entire state going crazy, we beat Phoenix in 6 in an incredibly exciting fast paced high scoring series. Rudy goes off for 40 in game 5 in Phoenix paving the way for the upset.

Against the aging Celtics in the finals, we steal game one in the Garden, and are able to close out our third consecutive 4-2 series win. KP is elected Mayor in a write-in campaign, and Paul Allen is so excited he throws a weekend-long free party in the Rose Quarter – both the MC and the Rose Garden and all of the big slides outside are packed the entire weekend, as the Blazers become the feel good story of the year…

While this is optimistic, I seriously believe that the NBA is becoming a young player’s league, and with our level of talent, all we need is a couple of breaks (like Kobe’s ankle) to go all the way…

In this scenario, the Blazers reel off four consecutive championships, becoming the second best NBA dynasty (Celtics, of course, are #1)…

by Visionary1 on Sep 6, 2008 9:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Possibility 2: 2009-2010

Young Blazers suffer enormous growing pains going 9-15 over the first tough 24 games. They have a tremendous rally to squeak into the playoffs as the #8 seed. Unfortunately, that means an early exit.

In the offseason, KP trades Raef, Sergio, Martell, and Frye for a lock-down defender at #3 and a big rebounding 4/5 backup defensive stud.

With a much more favorable opening schedule, and a year of experience, the 2009 Blazers dethrone the Fakers once and for all, ending up with the best record in the league. They sweep the first two series, and win the next two in 5, completing the most dominant championship run since Moses Malone’s fo’fo’fo days…

I really don’t see it taking longer than that…

by Visionary1 on Sep 6, 2008 9:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2008-2009

Oden will get them into the playoffs.

Brandon Roy will show everybody that he cannot be beat in a 7 game series.

by Jumbo on Sep 6, 2008 10:27 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you are correct, my friend

The Blazers are already difficult to beat. The addition of three excellent rookies will make them a very difficult opponent. And don’t forget they are very well coached. Nate will work his magic and the Blazers will make the playoffs this year. That goes without saying. the only thing that could keep them out of the playoffs is a serious injury bug hitting multiple players.

OK. So they make the playoffs. Will they be fresh and strong enough to make it out of the first round? That is the next hurdle. Their depth will carry them through. So yes, they will make it to the second round.

At this point destiny takes over. And Rip City sweeps through Oregon (and even Washington and Idaho). No stopping us now. We make it to the Finals and the rest is history. Sorry Lebron. Sorry whoever. Game over. We take home the rings in June of 2009.

We repeat in 2010 and threepeat in 2011.

Winning is everything.

by MT Suit on Sep 6, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright

Alright, for purposes of this exercise I’m going to abandon the realist in me and embrace The Blazer fan. Disclamer: After the following few sentences. Baby steps people, we haven’t even made it back to the playoffs. Plus Championships are difficult, not guaranteed for anyone. Ever since we won the lottery and honked once, people have been counting on a championship thank god it’s possible but understand even one championship is far from a given. It’s a goal, not a given.

Now for the unbridled Blazer fan. Assuming perfection, good health, optimal development and KP handles the icing on the cake tweaking of the roster like a master and exits the right pieces while bringing in the right piece or pieces, I think 2011-2012. Some may be shocked that this is as optimistic as I can be, but today, we still are a young, young team. I think we need to take the steps. Success will be defined rung by rung. Our first step comes hopefully this season in returning to what should be perenial playoff appearance. Then we need to learn, age and gain experience, I think you need or will experience at least one run where you go deep, WCF and lose. Ask Phoenix and Seattle of the 90’s how hard it is to make it to the finals, let alone win a Championship. The great possibilty with this team is that it is so young, so conceivably when we reach the true contender stage of our existence, we can maintain it hopefully for many years. We should have a Glass Patio Door size window of Multiple Championship opportunity.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Sep 6, 2008 10:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2010-2011 IS THE ONE!!

THIS YEAR IS GOING TO BE A GREAT NEW ADVENTURE. WITH THE RAEF CONTRACT ,THE CAP ROOM, AND TO MUCH YOUNG TALENT . NEXT YEAR WILL BE AMAZING FITTING THE PIECES TOGETHER. BUT 2010-11 WILL BE THE START OF OUR RUN
FOR THE RING.

by 9ballkid on Sep 6, 2008 11:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This year, book it, dude...

Really, I will go with next year, 2009-2010.

Give them one year to play together, learn each others habits and preferences, experiment with rotations, and just plain mesh as a team.
  
Give Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix, and Kobe one more year to age and slow down.Give New Orleans another disappointing playoff loss to question each other and self-destruct.

In 2010, the Blazers defeat Utah in the WCF and Lebron and Friends in the Finals to bring the championship back to Portland.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 6, 2008 11:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and Houston...

will never make it past the first round due to injuries either to Yao or MacGrady every year.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 6, 2008 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When is fun, but why is more important ...

Obviously these are just my thoughts but there are 3 and here they are:

 “When” is going to directly relate to “why”. Why will we win a championship(s)?

1. Defense wins in the playoff. Thats just the way it is and for most part thats a proven fact that has few exceptions. When Nate gets the team to buy into strong team defense our team will be a complete and well rounded team. Scoring will NEVER be an issue with this team so when Nate can get the team to understand that a sufficaing defense will help us dominate then the rest should fall into place. On top of that we will have great/amazing defensive individuals players as an added x-factor. We all the know the importance of being able to lock down the opposing team’s star in the playoffs which is why some Blazers fans feel the need and importance of having that lock down caliber at SF and why some fans want to trade Outlaw or Webster for that player. While being able to at least contain the other teams star player in the regular season is nice, its essential in the playoffs. With all that said, again its important for Nate to get the “team defense” rolling in case we dont obtain that lock down defender.

2. We have such a deep team that our bench will be a HUGE strength in the playoffs. And while depth is important for things such as minutes played and freshness it’s even more important because with a deep team we can play ANY style of ball needed against ANY opponent. Now, hopefully we will make people play to our style but if needed we should be able to match up with and play to anyone in the league.

3. When we can have a record that get us home court advantage in the playoffs this will be such a HUGE advantage that winning playoff series will be much much easier. Especially with a younger team. We all know younger players feed off the croud much more than older playes. Therefore if we are playing more games at home in the playoffs, we will win more playoff series.

And with that said I think 2009-2010 will be the year to win our first championship. 2008-2009 will be all about getting these things into place. We could very well be a strong defensive team by years end and we will be deep and able to match up against anyone style-wise but I dont think that we will have home court advantage and that will be our downfall this year but the next year we will have home court advantage and that is why we will win then.

From there on out our experience and playoff experience will lead us to 2-3 more titles through our run. GO BLAZERS! (sorry this was long winded but I felted compelled to make a point)

by Boise Blazer on Sep 6, 2008 11:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2008-09

I know this, because every time I move to a new city one of its major sports franchises wins a World Championship within two years. It’s true:

1) November 1975: I was born in Portland, OR. Spring of ’77 Walton and the boys bring it home.

2) January 1994: I move to San Francisco. Shortly thereafter I’m dodging crazy Niner fans breaking windows on Market street.

3) Y2K I move to Los Angeles. F*cking L*kers…

4) Moved to Seattle, one year later the refs handed the Superbowl to the Steelers. I still say my streak is alive, the Seahawks were hosed.

5) My last move was back home to P-town. Two weeks later we win Oden in the draft. This year, we win it all.

2008-09. Unavoidable. Plan the parade now.

by teelor64 on Sep 6, 2008 12:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Very funny how that has happened…

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Sep 7, 2008 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the time the Blazers win a championship,

Oden will be wearing one of these things:

!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GeordiLaForge.jpg

I’m just kidding, guys.

I think the only reasonable way to look at this is that the chance of a Blazer championship increases every year, for about 8 yrs, and then decrease every year thereafter.

The Blazers have a young talented core, an excellent GM, and an owner w/ deep pockets. On the other hand, Roy and Oden haven’t proven very durable, and star players are irreplaceable. They also face stiff competition in the West; LAL, NO, and UTA haven’t even reached their peak, and those teams are still young. Potentially, they can play at an elite level for 6, 7, 8 yrs?

I’m going to say it will take 7 yrs; one year after nemesis kobe bryant retires, 2015-2016.

"I've hacked into your brain. You're throwing a party and no one's showing up."

by ignign*kt on Sep 6, 2008 1:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

blazers win finals in 2008/09

The Blazers are going to surprise and surprise big in 0.1. O.1 means year one of Greg Oden. My basis for this opinion is that I believe Oden will be one of the few centers that make an immediate impact. He’s better than Shaq was in his first year, and just under Kareem. Kareem won in his first year and Shaq went to the finals. Some other observations: Outlaw will come to camp not in shape and be the odd man out. Same thing happened last year and that is how Martell won the starting nod. Look for Martell and Frye to be the surprises. The team will be forced to either get rid of Martell or Outlaw as there are too many small forwards on this team. Outlaw is in it for himself and not the team unfortunately. Also, look for either Rudy or Bayless to beat out Blake for the starting PG. I am guessing Rudy is a spark off the bench and Bayless has the starting PG job by mid season. Also if an injury occurs the back up will shine.

by HisBoyElroy on Sep 6, 2008 1:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

09-10

4 reasons
1, Decline of the league
2. Experience playing together
3 RLEC to add last player and reduce roster for future financial flexibility.
4. Greg Oden, Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge

Inallthetime

by inallthetime on Sep 6, 2008 2:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

First of all, not this season.

I see Utah as having quite a bug up their jutz, as my Wisconsin ex-gf’s mom would say.
I think they do what it takes to fend off Portland for the division title this season, no matter what Portland does.

That being the case, and with the Suns, Spoors, and Mavs just starting a get-old decline,
the Blazers will not be a top-4 seed this year, which means they’ll have to:
a) Fight against home-court advantage (even in the first round), and
b) Not get an easy matchup at least once, which teams that make the Finals always do.

Or, in other words, or first champeenship season will be one where we either win the division,
or be a division-champ-quality top wild card, where our division has multiple juggernauts,
like the southwest has had a lot lately, or like the Pacific had with the Kings and L[xxx]rs a few years ago,
or the Bulls’ Central Division dynamics in the 90’s (first the Pistons, then the Pacers).

Does that come as early as 09-10? I say yes.
By then, I think two of the Suns/Mavs/Spoors will be in full blow-it-up-and-rebuild mode,
AND the Jazz might be stumbling; Boozer’s a free agent in the 09 off-season,
I’m not so sure Mehmet’s got much longer before his basic body type starts having injury issues,
I don’t see Koufos being ready to take his place in just his second NBA year,
and AK-47, with 3 years still on his contract right now, will still be a payroll albatross.

Add it all up, and I see us as division champs in 09-10, AND there won’t be a better wild card team.
It should be us, the Hornies, and the L[xxx]rs as the creme de la creme of the West,
one per division as division champs, and the top 3 seeds, in whatever order.
And I think that’s gonna be the case until one of the rebuilding teams
(maybe someone from the Mavs/Suns/Spoors trio, maybe one of the current rebuilders,
like Minnie, the Ex-Sonics, or the Kings) rises up like we’re doing now.
But they’ll all be in limbo for at least the 09-10 season, maybe longer.

Also, by 2010, the Sell-tix should be SERIOUSLY hitting the wall,
and other than the Magic, I don’t know who in the East
is poised to IMPROVE to contender status over the next two seasons.
Pistons right about where the Spoors are now, Cavs distracted by the LeBron contract drama,
Bulls and Heat ascending but not quite there: I smell a Western Conference champ for several seasons,
starting this season if the Sell-tix can’t keep their high for another hundred games,
and starting in 09-10 if Boston holds it together for one last season before bowing out, Elway-style.

So who’s it gonna be among the LA-Portland-N.O. trio in the 2010 playoffs?

I think it’s us.
I think Odom becomes a serious distraction after this upcoming season unless LA moves him;
if they do, a quality return package could keep them ready.
But between Phil and Coby, I smell 2004-quality chemistry issues hitting them mid-season in 09-10.
They’ll muddle through this upcoming campaign in good spirits on the highs of the Cobylympics,
Bynum’s warm welcome, and Pau’s first training camp integration.
But a year later? The wheels start coming off of that thang in subtle ways, baby.
I think either the Blazers OR Hornies would take them out in the second round.

So it’s all about a Hornies-Blazers matchup in the 2010 playoffs.
And it’s our depth that puts us over the hump in that matchup, especially with Peja being
a full two years older than he is now, and feeling 3 consecutive deep playoff runs.
It’s a good matchup in the first 2 or 3 games, but by game 6, they are spent.

There ya go.
Blazers’ first championship in the 2010 playoffs, following the 09-10 season.

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by QualityPie on Sep 6, 2008 5:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I should add a few details:

By ruling out this season, I’m not betting against Portland so much as taking the field,
what obstacles the BostonMavSunSpoors last gasp, a pretty good Jazz year, and the already-set N.O./L.A. teams present.
But yeah, it IS welcome-to-the-NBA time for Oden, Rudy and Bayless.

More than that, though, the drama of the RLEC is gonna be a real distraction.
For MarWeb & The B.O.G., if they don’t get extended before halloween,
they (and Trout) will be the constant target of HEAVY trade rumors, right up to the trade deadline in February.
And for MarWeb & Frye, even if there ISN’T a trade, they’ll be subject to the whole free agent drama.
And the whole time, in-season and off-season, the speculation over obtaining one more big ticket piece
is going to be a real soap opera, right up until we swing a BIG deal; if we don’t, it’ll fester
all the way until Roy and LMA get their extension next off-season, after the whole free-agent period.

Either way, this team will be wrapped up in trade/contract issues all next season, but totally free of them this time next year.

Also, I completely omitted Houston from the who’s-good-now issue.
That’s no accident.
The sooner they move into the post-T-Mac era, the better for them.
They’ll be better in 2013 than at any time between 2005 and 2011.

Lastly, let’s not forget that the CBA expires in 2011, with a league option for the 11-12 season.
The prospects for ALL teams, including us in the back half of our upcoming dynasty,
are subject to upheaval if there’s impetus for a major shift in the CBA rules after the next 2 or 3 seasons.
Maybe we’d be facilitated (especially if it’s easier to add pieces with high-paid stars like Roy, Oden & LMA will be),
maybe we’ll be hampered – but a big change in the contract rules would impact us hugely somehow, in mid-run.

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by QualityPie on Sep 6, 2008 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

acronym city

Let’s see… we have three dominant new rookies: Rudy, Oden & Bayless. R.O.B. The F*kers are not going to the Finals ever again because each time they meet the Blazers in the playoffs they will be ROBbed.

Winning is everything.

by MT Suit on Sep 7, 2008 4:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Declining opportunity over the years

With the best opportunity to win 2008-2009 while we have an enormous overload of talent that still is hungry to win and the league has not yet adjusted.

The following year we know there are players who will be gone and others disappointed in seeing they will never be a starter. The salary cap and luxury tax and playing time opportunities will begin to take its toll in 2009-2010 and beyond. And yes, I trust that Paul Allen is willing to pay luxury tax again. But the mark of a great GM is to win while being reasonable with the money and turning a profit for his owner.

Each year after this the league will change more and more to overcome the Blazers, much as the decisions were made last decade around beating Shaq. The league will follow out model and try to overcome. Each year after this a number of players will desire to be stars on their own team. This does not meant the Blazers cannot win multiple championships. Only that each year is going to be harder.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Sep 6, 2008 5:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'll call 2 finals appearances, no championships...

……………………… just because so many of you are homers.

"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."

by timbo on Sep 6, 2008 5:41 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

6 championships

 8 finals appearances because Im spending $8400 bucks a year being a fan!

by Dragonage on Sep 6, 2008 6:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The breakdown so far:

2008 – 2009 (this upcoming season): 6 votes
2009 – 2010 (the next season): 11 votes
2010-2011: 7 votes
2011-2012: 5 votes
2015-2016: 1 vote

I just scrolled for actual predictions, looking for a numbered date.
So I did not distinguish between non-predictions and no-title-ever, like the first reply.

Did I listen to pop music because I was miserable? Or was I miserable because I listened to pop music?

by QualityPie on Sep 6, 2008 7:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rough fractions, based on those 30 votes:

2008 – 2009: 1 in 5
2009 – 2010: Just over 1 in 3
2010 – 2011: Just under 1 in 4
2011 – 2012: 1 in 6
2015 – 2016: 1 in 30

Did I listen to pop music because I was miserable? Or was I miserable because I listened to pop music?

by QualityPie on Sep 6, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call Your Shot

2016-2017

If you say "basically" at the beginning of a sentence, you probably also put ketchup on everything you eat.

by CosmoPlavix on Sep 6, 2008 7:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2012-2013`

I’m basing this on the fact that despite how good LMA and Brandon are Greg Oden is the key to our championship. Looking at similar game changers, Tim Duncan and Shaquille O’Neal both took 5 seasons to win a championship. Duncan was not surrounded by patsies either.

Also we need to catch LA and Houston on their downward sides. Houston has a 2-3 year window before Artest blows up and McGrady is over the hill. LA has also has a 3-4 year window before Kobe ages poorly and the rest of the team implodes. With Oden I think we’ll be past New Orleans and Utah once he develops fully. But there is the chance Lebron goes west or ends up on a team with talent. That puts Portland battling Lebron for the championship for a few years

by boppitywop on Sep 6, 2008 7:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Duncan

….won it all his 2nd year in the league

by SalemORguy on Sep 7, 2008 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And Walton won it his first full year

(3rd overall) as injuries kept him out of almost half the games in his 1st two years.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Sep 7, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Predicting a trend rather than a season.

I think it is reasonable to expect that the Blazers will go back to the same overall pattern that they had through most of the 20th century, in that they will be a perennial playoff team. KP’s system for farming 2nd round picks and banking the overseas ones will provide us a sustainable pipeline of developing talent even though we’re always out of the lottery. That crude talent will be refined by Nate’s Tao of Team Defense to keep us consistently competitive even when we’re struck by injuries or weak draft years. One interesting side effect of this system is that the Trail Blazers will average younger than the median even as our veteran players turn into warhorses.

Within that framework, our championships will depend on the ultimate sixth man, the fans. Home court advantage will make or break our runs. The interesting twist is that we will only win when we are 3rd or 4th seeded. Above or below and we won’t be able to take it all. If we seen below 4th, there won’t be enough home games to take us through the hardest darkest moments. If we seed 1st or 2nd then a combination of complacency and cheer fatigue will keep us from being able to sustain enough energy to be difference makers for our players.

Eventually the dynasty falls apart when Nate decides to go into semi-retirement by coaching at the college level (and simultaneously clearing the last obstacle to get the head coaching job in the 2016 olympics).

by conspirator5 on Sep 6, 2008 9:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Blazers win the title this year

because I bet 40 bucks at 30:1

by Escrote on Sep 6, 2008 9:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2111-2112

For it to happen everything has to work out as well as we hope we think it will. Lets face it, we havent seem this team play together yet, and there is still a few well established clubs left out there who on veteranship alone will make our relatively young group of guys think twice about how easy winning is going to be.

So, if it all goes right for P-town, no major injuries, and team chemistry is not an issue… it’ll take 3 more seasons of development to finally take it.

"In this galaxy alone there's a mathematical probability of three million Earth-type planets, and in all the universe three million million galaxies like this one, and in all that only one of each of us." -- Dr McCoy, to which my cat brays upon the Doctor's numbers, knowing the universe is infinitely more inhabited, and what's up with the price of tuna these days?

by bow4meow on Sep 7, 2008 8:33 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are those cat years?

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 7, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

The be-ba-bones set me up bad there… miserable gato

"In this galaxy alone there's a mathematical probability of three million Earth-type planets, and in all the universe three million million galaxies like this one, and in all that only one of each of us." -- Dr McCoy, to which my cat brays upon the Doctor's numbers, knowing the universe is infinitely more inhabited, and what's up with the price of tuna these days?

by bow4meow on Sep 7, 2008 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 more years

And one century, according to your dates.

by dvcastle on Sep 7, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope they win it in 2009-10, cause after that the situation gets blurry again

That’s really looking into the crystal ball. I think next season we still need a lot of time to develop. We narrowly make the playoffs, and exit in the first or second round to gain some playoff experience. And then our options how to make the team stronger (and how the opposition gets stronger) come into play.

How to win it asap, maybe as soon as 2008-09: At the deadline, we trade RLEC, Outlaw, Rodriguez and Blake for Tayshaun Prince and Chauncey Billups. Somehow, Detroit says yes and goes into rebuilding, and we destroy the competition with a brilliant young-experienced lineup of Billups, Roy, Prince, Aldridge, Oden. Somehow I don’t see this happening.

How to maybe win it in 2009-10: We sign (or trade for) Danny Granger in the off-season. (If we instead sign Kobe, all bets are off, five years of domination despite horrible flashes of bad team chemistry.) Everybody develops very quickly, and we narrowly beat LA or the Hornets in the WCF, then go on to beat whoever comes out of the ECF in the finals. Bad case: Well, we don’t come out of the West, and still need a season or two more to develop our very young core.

In the 2010 off-season, the deck gets shuffled again completely with a lot of major free agents on the market, and while most will stay some will switch teams making some much stronger. That makes predictions for the following years hard. Here is a shot.

The East: Version a) Cleveland manages to retain LeBron, and acquires Chris Bosh, Amare Stoudamire or Dwayne Wade with their massive cap space to dominate the East for most of the next decade. Version b) LeBron goes to a crappy team in New York, Orlando acquires Chris Bosh, and dominates the East for most of the next decade with their twin tower front court. Boston and Detroit are soon too old to play a major role. Washington and Philly might have one shot at the finals. Miami and Chicago might get strong again if everything works out for them.

The West: Blazers, Lakers, Hornets are the powers in the West, all able to beat each other in a playoff series. Memphis is the dark horse. San Antonio, Phoenix, Dallas are declining. Jazz implode after Carlos Boozer and/or Mehmet Okur leave again for more money.

Oh, and Spain wins the World Championships in 2010 led by Ricky and Rudy, cause the US doesn’t care enough about these. Book it.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 7, 2008 9:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I see two possibilities.

Either the Blazers will win it all in 2010-2011, and then go one to win three to five more championships immediately in the following seasons… Or…

The Blazers run headlong into New Orleans and Chris Paul and can never get out of the WCF.

I’m hopeful for the former scenario, but the pessimist sees the latter as a distinct possibility.

Wherever you go, there you are.

by Majikj0n on Sep 7, 2008 10:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2009-2010

I think the Blazers HAVE to win it in the next year or two to keep this unit together. We are freakishly talented right now, and only going to improve with age. I can see the Blazers overachieving again next year, and making a strong push into the playoffs, but running into either Chris Paul, Tim Duncan, or Kobe. The following year, 09-10, Oden delivers.

by koyote on Sep 7, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2010-2011

I think this year, 08-09, they will make the playoffs and maybe get to the second round…Next year, 09-10, they’ll win a series or two and start to figure out what it takes to “make it over the hump”. Then, in 2010-2011, they will know what it takes, they will all have that playoff experience, and they will make a run at the title and win it all in what will be one of at least 4 titles in the next 10 years!

It ain't easy supporting the Blazers and Ducks in San Diego, BUT I MANAGE!!

by saregister on Sep 7, 2008 4:39 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2008-09 if Oden stays healthy.

Otherwise two year longer.

I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I

by TwoDeep on Sep 7, 2008 4:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One small correction

boppity – Tim Duncan won the title his second year in the league, the strike shortened 50 game season

by SalemORguy on Sep 7, 2008 5:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry

forgot about that season. I wasn’t paying attention that year. I might have to rethink the time-line.

by boppitywop on Sep 7, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2008 - 2009

Reasons:

1) I’m optimistic. As an organization, Portland is doing things right. We’ve seen the results in a seadily improving record.

2) I’m optimistic. The youngest team in the league just missed the playoffs last year and is adding a huge helping of additional young talent.

3) I’m optimistic. Greg Oden is looking like a young Shaq, only better. If history is any indicator, he should account for a 10 win improvement just by himself.

4) I’m optimistic. Sometimes you capture magic in a bottle. An inspired McMillan, coming off Olympic gold, gets his team to further band together. A young team with good chemistry believes in itself and reaches the playoffs not just glad to be there, but convinced that they are better than any other team in the league.

5) I’m realistic. Life doesn’t always go according to script. Which means that the unexpected is always a real possibility.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 8, 2008 8:54 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

me too

our time is now.

by Falcao on Sep 8, 2008 1:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Henry Abbott chimes in in his Monday Bullets on TrueHoop
Everybody important is injury prone, almost nobody was built to be a pure role player, almost nobody has seen playoff action, the team has yet to show it can defend or run, and the team hasn’t seen the playoffs in ages. Yet somehow Blazer fans are debating which year they’ll win their first title. I’ll take 2010-2011.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 8, 2008 10:41 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh Great

It is okay for us to do it but now he just jinxed us.

Kilroy was here.

by tominhawaii on Sep 8, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Call me optimistic

I think we can look for the first (no I won’t say realistic) shot at a title in 2009-2010. The playoffs this year…..and a little seasoning. Then next year, when the team is comfortable playing together…..look out NBA.

However I won’t completely dismiss the chance of making a huge push this season. Every now and then a team catches lightning in a bottle….and I admit to hearing an electrical cracking noise coming from Portland…..

by antediluvian on Sep 8, 2008 11:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This topic was already a fanpost (btw)

That said: 2009-2010.

The Blazers defeat the Fakers in the WCF, blowing up that team as Kobe is denied yet another ring post-Shaq. "Tell me how da’ feet taste! "

We win in 5, a walk-over against the resurgent but last-chance Pistons old guard, who are clearly outmanned.

The Blazers pick up Lebron James in free agency in the off-season, answering all questions at the 3. Dwight Janes questions management’s commitment. Canzano bites off own hand.

With a luxury tax exceeding the league salary cap, Paul Allen turns a nifty profit off the most successful decade of any NBA franchise, ever. (Blazer B Team “Secondus Unitus” wins EuroCup, Koponnen serves as Veteran Presence.)

Stern commits sepeku following a lackluster Blazers-Pacers final, when his refs fail to deny the Blazers Portland’s sixth championship in a row.

Trailblazers jerseys are worn on Mars-walk — the first manned mission to another planet. Jerseys set all-time records for a charity auction.

International sales of original (must have) Blazers gear balance the US trade deficit. BRoy elected President.

'77

by LaoTzu on Sep 8, 2008 11:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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