Blazersedge 2008-09 NBA Season Preview: Hawks and Wizards--Don't Freak Out
Ha ha! That headline seemed to go with the spirit of the day.
Record: 37-45, 3rd in Southeast Division, 8th in Eastern Conference
Statistical Comparisons
Notable:
4th in blocks
Others:
15th in the league in scoring (98.2 ppg)
15th in opponent scoring (100.0 ppg)
19th in ppg differential (-1.8 ppg)
16th in field goal %
21st in opponent field goal %
18th in three-point %
7th in free throw attempts per game
7th in free throw percentage
12th in assists
14th in steals
22nd in turnovers
17th in opponent turnovers
Very Good offensive rebounding team
Poor defensive rebounding team
Movement
Significant Additions: Maurice Evans, Flip Murray,
Significant Subtractions: Josh Childress, Salim Stoudamire, Jeremy Richardson
Roster
Coach: Mike Woodson
Key Players
PG: Mike Bibby, Acie Law
SG: Joe Johnson, Flip
SF: Marvin Williams, Maurice Evans
PF: Josh Smith, Solomon Jones
C: Al Horford, Zaza Pachulia
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The Hawks aren’t poised to challenge the conference elite yet, but they should be a team that benefits from experience. It wouldn’t surprise me to see them post a winning record this year if a couple of the above-mentioned flaws get corrected. They’re not a team opponents can overlook anymore.
Record: 43-39, 2nd in Southeast Division, 5th in Eastern Conference
Statistical Comparisons
Notable:
5th in free throw percentage
27th in assists
Others:
14th in the league in scoring (98.8 ppg)
12th in opponent scoring (99.2 ppg)
15th in ppg differential (-0.3 ppg)
22nd in field goal %
19th in opponent field goal %
17th in three-point %
19th in free throw attempts per game
10th in steals
15th in blocks
7th in turnovers
12th in opponent turnovers
Good offensive rebounding team
Poor defensive rebounding team
Movement
Significant Additions: Dermarr Johnson, Juan Dixon, JaVale McGee (R)
Significant Subtractions: Roger Mason
Roster
Coach: Eddie Jordan
Key Players
PG: Gilbert Arenas, Antonio Daniels, Juan Dixon
SG: DeShawn Stevenson, Nick Young
SF: Caron Butler, Dominic McGuire
PF: Antawn Jamison, Darius Songalia, Oleksiy Pecherov, JaVale McGee
C: Brendan Haywood, Etan Thomas, Andre Blatche
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Ahhhh…what the heck is going on in
Here’s what you love about the Wizards:
--They have dependable players in their major positions, provided Fauxstradamus is healthy.
--They have enough scoring to whip butt on you on any given night.
--When faced with the abysmal defensive performance of two seasons ago they righted the ship and actually bothered to watch a man or two (as opposed to watching the entire opposing team waltz down the lane for dunks). Not many veteran teams can or will adjust their style of play like that.
--Their bench has a lot of nice names…for a bench.
Like many of their compatriots in the mid-to-lower Eastern ranks, they don’t fit together seamlessly. Take Antawn Jamison, for example. He’s an amazing statistical player. He’s defying experts and nay-sayers by having some of the best seasons of his career after age 30. But he’s not the kind of guy you’d say complements Gilbert Arenas, who also likes to play with the ball in his hands. Caron Butler is the best team guy of their big three and a huge asset. When the other two are healthy he may not touch the ball enough. And then there are Brendan Haywood and Etan Thomas. Haywood is a nice player but isn’t the type of guy to anchor your defense or key the fast break with a tough rebound and brilliant outlet pass. Thomas is a monster but plays his own game and doesn’t always get along with others. All of these guys are really good in their own ways. They’re like a pretty jigsaw puzzle with no more than two pieces that connect.
The Wizards’ great hope for advancement may be two of their youngsters, Nick Young and Dominic McGuire. Each has the athleticism to be special. Each should be able to score in this league when they get going. Young had a very good rookie season and should be primed for more playing time. McGuire was somewhat disappointing. But then again how invested is this team in helping those youngsters shine? It would do the Wizards a world of good if one or both stepped forward, allowing at least one of the established stars to get traded for decent value: defense, shooting, team players.
As it stands the Wizards will be in the middle mix in the conference as usual. Barring more injuries there’s no way their scoring power and experience will let them free fall. But there’s not much hope of them leaping forward either. How long is first-round-and-out good enough?
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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For those interested in much deeper info on the Hawks, you might want to visit the SBN "sister site" Peachtree Hoops
Not trying to take anything from Dave’s unique perspective and writing style away, but it’s a fairly new site with very few commenters yet and the guy writing it is really doing a good job (formerly had a blog called "Hoopinion") that even complete non-Hawks fans like probably most of us might appreciate. Unfortunately, he is covering the NBA franchise with arguably the worst ownership group (hence the loss of Childress and Smith trying at least a little bit to get away). Well, some would say that’s Bennett’s group, but still… Here is a nice overview of interesting articles:
http://www.peachtreehoops.com/2008/9/25/621638/a-peachtree-hoops-primer
Oh, and for the Wizards that would be BulletsForever.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 2:24 AM PDT 0 recs
The Gilbert Arenas - Antawn Jamison conundrum
When I saw you were reviewing the Wizards that is the first thing I thought of. The problem is, Gilbert went out of his way to say that he’d only sign if Jamison got signed. Their games are so contradictory to each other, its hard to see this team ever being successful with that combo. They looked good last year without Gilbert in the lineup, slowing the game down, but could never get it all together when he came back. Conversely, they were successful two years ago when they were playing that up-tempo game, but Jamison was a detriment to that style, both offensively and defensively. Caron Butler seems to be able to play in both systems, but he actually looked slightly better last year, without Gilbert. It may be hard to trade your team and cities biggest star, but I think if they could get a couple quality players, perhaps younger players, that would help this team improve in the most important category of all… wins.
by as11osu on Oct 1, 2008 2:25 AM PDT 0 recs
When was the last time you saw Thomas being a monster, Dave?
The last year(s) he made more news with his poetry and public speaking than with his basketball skills, due to open heart surgery. On average he has missed 30 games each season so far in his career. He is a great human being, but from an impact perspective at this point he was longer out of the game than Greg and anything he could contribute for the Wizards this season would be a bonus (you could count that as a “significant addition”).
Apart from that little observation, I really liked the mountain climber imagery to describe their situation of seemingly not being able to move up and climb over Mt. LeBron in the last few years.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 2:43 AM PDT 0 recs
your title is funny.
"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham
by faith on Oct 1, 2008 6:50 AM PDT 0 recs
Uncalled for Dave
Before even reading anything else besides the title, I sat there pondering how the hell could the Hawks and Wizards do something to us that would make me freak out.
Now back to reading.
"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."
by Devyn on Oct 1, 2008 8:02 AM PDT 0 recs
Boo E. Conference!
It’s ridiculous that the Hawks made the playoffs with a 37-45 record. I mean, I’m glad that our beloved team faces the continual challenge/compitition that is the Western Conference, but really…sub .500…playoffs?
by Griff on Oct 1, 2008 10:19 AM PDT 0 recs
Dave, I wrote this on BF
But the idea that Antawn and Gilbert don’t compliment each other well makes no sense. Most of Antawn’s buckets come quickly and not when he is pounding the ball into the floor. Last year, 74 percent of his jumpers and 54 percent of his layups were assisted. The year before, with Arenas playing, those numbers were 83% and 53%, respectively. Doesn’t sound like somebody who needs the ball in his hands all the time to be effective.
Moreover, all of Jamison’s shooting percentages were down last year from 06/07, when Arenas was playing.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Pradamaster on Oct 1, 2008 3:12 PM PDT 0 recs
Brandon Roy's percentages went down last year
was he a worse player than he was his rookie year? No.
Jamison’s PER went up 2 points last year and his Roland Rating went up 6 points. He was also able to get back on defense for his Zach Randolph-esque rebounds, and he got to get into his position on offense more often. Those assisted numbers have very little to do with how well he and Gilbert fit together. Last year Jamison got off 10% more of his shots from inside than the year before. With Gil in the lineup, that forces Antawn to be way too much of an outside shooter, an area he’s not nearly as effective at as he is from inside. His eFG% from inside is .654, while his jump shooting eFG% is a putrid 404% .
by as11osu on
Oct 1, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
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So you're suggesting
Gilbert Arenas’ absense is responsible for Antawn Jamison’s increased desire for rebounding? Gilbert Arenas made Antawn Jamison launch more three-point shots? Gilbert Arenas is responsible for Antawn Jamison’s commitment to defense? Better yet, Gilbert Arenas is responsible for Jamison’s backups struggling?
The point of those assisted numbers was to show that Antawn doesn’t pound the ball like crazy like Dave suggested, but that he scores off setups from other people. Theoretically, the two players’ games actually compliment each other. But you insisted on opening up another can of worms, so I must respond.
Antawn’s PER went up because he rebounded better, had a career-low turnover rate and because he took some of Arenas’ shots (PER tends to reward inefficient players who use lots of possessions more than other statistical models). His Roland Rating went up because he had fewer effective backups without Etan Thomas, because he played better defense and because without Arenas, his contributions became more valuable to the team, who previously could take Jamison out and still have Arenas helping Butler instead of Roger Mason/Antonio Daniels.
Your theory is that Arenas caused Jamison to be out of position, thereby leading to a lower percentage of rebounds. Here’s another theory: Brendan Haywood played more minutes and occupied more space, boxing out guys and allowing the quick-leaping Jamison to grab more missed shots. The data bears this out: last year, the Wizards were a much better rebounding team on both ends with Haywood in the game. Another theory: with the Wizards forcing more missed shots, there were more rebounds to go around.
As far as Antawn shooting jumpers, your data is off. 73% of his shots were jumpers in 06/07. In 07/08, that mark dropped a whopping 3% to 70%. For every 100 shots, Jamison attempted 3 more inside than outside. If he averages 15 shots a game, that’d average out to one additional shot inside for every two and two/thirds games. What a major difference…
So there’s little difference in the number of jumpers taken, yet Jamison’s eFG% rose from 40.5 in 07/08 without Arenas to 44.3% in 06/07. His “close” eFG, meanwhile, was 68.9 with Arenas and 65.4 without him. By comparison, if you think 44.3 eFG% on jumpers is bad, your very own LaMarcus Aldridge had just a 41.5 eFG% on jumpers last year.
Basically, if you think Arenas doesn’t help Jamison, you’re assuming that a) they are the only two guys who can affect each other’s games and the other 3 guys on the court don’t matter, b) that Jamison can’t go out and devote himself to rebounding independent of Arenas’ presence (oh by the way, three of Jamison’s four highest rebound rates came in D.C., with two coming when Arenas played) and c) that an improved PER explains everything.
I can’t make one of those assumptions, much less all three.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Pradamaster on
Oct 1, 2008 4:36 PM PDT
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You surely know
Jamison better than I.
I’m posting links to the blogs of teams we’ve done so far this evening. My sincere apologies for not including those as a de facto part of the process. I was using last year’s templates and we didn’t have so many NBA blogs last year.
—Dave
by Dave on
Oct 1, 2008 5:12 PM PDT
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Can't take Atlanta lightly. Not sure about Washington.
Atlanta are a good team. A team on the rise. Not one to be taken lightly anymore, as we saw them against the Celtics last year. Everybody thought sweep and the Hawks sent it 7. Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, Marvin Williams, Al Horford, Mike Bibby. A good core. Interesting to see how they turn out this season. I think losing Childress is a bad loss for them though. Still I think their good core can do great things this year. Washington is a team I’m not so sure on. Gilbert Arenas is the man there, but aside from that I’m not sure on them. Butler is a good defensive player, Jamison can score. But if Washington goes anywhere in the standings and postseason Gilbert’s health is definetly a big factor.
by CanadianBlazerfan on Oct 1, 2008 5:08 PM PDT 0 recs
Just the parts where you don't make sense...
Gilbert Arenas’ absense is responsible for Antawn Jamison’s increased desire for rebounding?
I didn’t say that. What I said, was that the decreased pace of play the Wizards ran with when Gil was gone, allowed a slow footed Antawn Jamison to be in position to get rebounds a much higher percentage of the time.
Gilbert Arenas is responsible for Antawn Jamison’s commitment to defense?
The exact same thing. Running far less, Antawn found himself in the correct position a higher percentage of the time (his D still blows)
Your theory is that Arenas caused Jamison to be out of position, thereby leading to a lower percentage of rebounds. Here’s another theory: Brendan Haywood played more minutes and occupied more space, boxing out guys and allowing the quick-leaping Jamison to grab more missed shots.
That’d be great in theory, if it didn’t cause the exact opposite to happen. With Haywood in the game more, HE grabbed a lot of those rebounds himself, negating any supposed advantage that playing with Haywood would’ve had on his rebounding.
Another theory: with the Wizards forcing more missed shots, there were more rebounds to go around.
The different pace, and Gil’s poor defense more than account for that difference. Teams that play higher paced games naturally score more, but also give up more (almost always at higher efficiencies).
As far as Antawn shooting jumpers, your data is off. 73% of his shots were jumpers in 06/07. In 07/08, that mark dropped a whopping 3% to 70%. For every 100 shots, Jamison attempted 3 more inside than outside.
I guess you understand what I wrote. Same exact stats as you used. 30% of his shots came from inside last year as opposed to 27% the year before. That means he shot the ball 10% of the time more from inside than the previous year. And in actuality, since he got a much higher percentage of his teams shots, the difference is even greater than that.
So there’s little difference in the number of jumpers taken, yet Jamison’s eFG% rose from 40.5 in 07/08 without Arenas to 44.3% in 06/07. His "close" eFG, meanwhile, was 68.9 with Arenas and 65.4 without him.
This is obviously the case, as I’ve already acknowledged that the faster paced basketball leads to better shots. I’d expect the exact inverse relationship with the teams defense during these two years. The fact is the FG% differential was actually better last year without Arenas than it was the year before with him.
Basically, if you think Arenas doesn’t help Jamison, you’re assuming that:
a) they are the only two guys who can affect each other’s games
b) that Jamison can’t go out and devote himself to rebounding independent of Arenas’ presence
c) that an improved PER explains everything.
A: Obviously they’re not the the only people that effect each others game, but their games are so contradictory that it doesn’t allow for them both to excel on the same team. Why on earth did the team drastically change everything in terms of offensive and defensive philosophy just because one guy got injured? Its because Arenas’ game is so dependent on one kind of basketball, that everyone else on the team has to not play their games to allow him to “do his own thing”.
B: It has nothing to do with devoting himself to rebounding. So you really think he was just trying harder last year, and thats what accounted for the difference? Really? That is a pretty weak argument, and it was only made to back up your point, which the stats clearly don’t agree with.
C: Drastically increased PER and Roland Rating mean Jamison was playing in his ideal (or at least close to ideal) style of basketball team last year as opposed to the year before that. Its not my problem that all the stats indicate exactly what I’ve been saying.
I’ve been having this same argument with Wizards fans for the past 2 years, and until playoff time they insist their team is better than it is. I don’t understand why people from that area overrate their own team so much in comparison with everyone else. Its not a fit, and everyone from outside Washington agrees. Arenas and Jamison are a horrible fit together. They both require a lot of shots, they both play really poor defense, and they both play their best offense in different styles of basketball. They should’ve made moves to try and be a better fast break team, or a better defensive minded team. Instead they’re continually straddling the fence of what team they want to be, and getting the least amount of output from their significant talent.
by as11osu on Oct 1, 2008 5:23 PM PDT 0 recs
Slow footed?
Calling Antawn Jamison “slow footed”, and therefore assuming that he plays better in a slower paced game is just wrong. Twan plays much better in a fast paced, running game. He’s much faster than almost every other Power Forward in the League…. and he’s very good at filling the lane, or pulling up for a 3-pointer.
When playing with Arenas in 2006-07, his role was slightly different than last year. He was frequently leaking out on the break – not on the defensive boards. That year, we had Haywood, Thomas, and Michael Ruffin in the frontcourt. Jamison, even though he was playing PF on the defensive end, was more of a wing player on Offense. And although he shot more 3-pointers that year, a good many of them were on the break, when Arenas and/or Butler were stymied by the first line of defense – and they kicked out to the open shooters, Jamison and Stevenson.
The advantage of watching a team for 82 games, is that you can see what actually occurs – as opposed to looking at highlights and perusing stats.
A good example is in the 2007-2008 season. Your assumption is that because of the slower pace, the “slow footed” Jamison was therefore in position more often, and securing rebounds. But in reality, the Wizards put in a completely new defensive scheme, with help from Assistant Coach Randy Ayers. Jamison was asked to concentrate on the defensive boards more, and to stop leaking out on the break. Jamison had a very good rebounding year, averaging more than 10 boards per game… but a lot of the credit belongs to both the new system and to Haywood. By watching all 82 games, what you see is that it was Brendan Haywood’s job to block out the opposing Center, allowing the quick jumping Jamison to go after the defensive boards. Jamison has GREAT hands, and is uncanny in snagging a rebound even if he only gets a part of his hand on the ball.
I have very little knowledge of “stats”…. but I do watch each and every game… I save them on my DVR and review them again the next day.
Perhaps Jamison can be called “slow footed” if you compare him to guards, or Small Forwards, but definately not when he’s playing Power Forward.
by Rook6980 on
Oct 1, 2008 6:13 PM PDT
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To add to this
When playing with Arenas in 2006-07, his role was slightly different than last year. He was frequently leaking out on the break – not on the defensive boards. That year, we had Haywood, Thomas, and Michael Ruffin in the frontcourt. Jamison, even though he was playing PF on the defensive end, was more of a wing player on Offense. And although he shot more 3-pointers that year, a good many of them were on the break, when Arenas and/or Butler were stymied by the first line of defense – and they kicked out to the open shooters, Jamison and Stevenson.
Butler also rebounded more in 06/07.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.
by Pradamaster on
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