Could this be more ironic? (Darius Miles related)
This is potentially pretty lame. The only way this scenario could play out any worse is if we actually were the potential 10th game back instead of 11th (if he get's signed that is). I suppose if Danny Ainge really did want to stick it to us for getting Roy and winning the Oden lottery, he could quite literally hold him out one of those games so we are in fact the 10th and deciding game that sticks the preverbial nail in the coffin of our cap space. I'm not too worried about it because I honestly still don't think he'll make the team, but I'm just sayin... ... .. ... .. ... ... ... ... ...
"As it is, if Miles makes the Celtics (who have 16 players in camp, with Miles and Sam Cassell the only ones with non-guaranteed contracts), he would be ineligible to suit up until Boston's 11th game, Nov. 15 at Milwaukee. If Miles were to play in that game and eight of the next nine, he'd have an opportunity to both seek revenge against his old team and kill two-thirds of their cap space for next summer if he steps onto the court for what would be his 10th game, Dec. 5 when Portland travels to Boston."
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That would well and truly be not good
But to get to that point, Danny is going to have to sign DMiles for the entire year (3 10-days= full year contract). Does he want to stick it to us THAT bad?
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by TheThinWhiteDuke on Sep 30, 2008 9:39 PM PDT 0 recs
10-day contracts ...
aren’t available ’til mid-season, with a team only being able to sign a given player to two of those deals before having to offer a contract that lasts throughout the remainder of the season.
By the way, this season non-guaranteed minimum-level deals — such as the one that Darius Miles has signed with the Boston Celtics — aren’t fully guaranteed ’til 1/10/2009.
by AK1984 on
Oct 1, 2008 12:54 AM PDT
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You mean something I read on the internet was inaccurate??
I’m having a hard time believing that.
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by TheThinWhiteDuke on
Oct 1, 2008 1:33 PM PDT
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he’d have an opportunity to both seek revenge against his old team and kill two-thirds of their cap space for next summer
Earlier in the article they say that the Blazer cap space will be dropped from 30 mil to 21 mil. I don’t know what kind of crazy quantum math they’re doing, but I think it’s wrong.

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by shenanigans on Sep 30, 2008 9:45 PM PDT 2 recs
+1
I hope the author of this article is not covering the bailout story as well.
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by 123_G.O._RipCity on
Oct 1, 2008 12:28 AM PDT
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clearly they are
as 1 trillion won’t put the lid on the QUADRILLION in OTC Derivatives those brilliant bankers have let out of the bottle. By the way the FED gave out 1.25 Trillion worth of loans in the past week so what does it matter how our congressional “Leaders” vote if the FED just shows that it is the REAL ruler of this country?
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by Idog1976 on
Oct 1, 2008 11:13 AM PDT
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It's hard work ... hard.
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by Y5k on
Oct 1, 2008 5:54 AM PDT
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If what Cassell says is true
About transitioning to becoming a coach next year is in his contract, there is no way in hades he doesn’t make that team.
by usdblazerfan on Sep 30, 2008 9:48 PM PDT 0 recs
I dont know
this for a fat, but I am pretty sure there are more players at camp that have non garunteed contracts. Some one should check on that.
by ggassen85 on Sep 30, 2008 9:53 PM PDT 0 recs
I'm not worried about it
If the Celtics really did that with bad intentions I would feel sorry for them. Those types of things seldom work out as planned. We would probably end up winning the next 5 titles as Ainge would helplessly look on in agony saying, “what have I done?”
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Sep 30, 2008 10:13 PM PDT 0 recs
I don't think it's about sticking to us.
Apparently Darius has no problem playing in back to back practices. He can touch the white square on the backboard when jumping off either leg. He says he has no pain, and the coaching staff says he looks to be about 100%. Ray Allen (Who I am inclined to believe) says he is super excited about Darius. Very curious indeed.
I don’t understand how a guy as smart as Kevin Pritchard could have misdiagnosed Darius as having a career ending injury. Granted, having the opportunity to shed the last remaining remnant of the jailblazers while still retaining cap space would be enough to cloud any general managers judgement.
As for the impartial Doctor? Well, Doctors always tend to err on the side of caution. That’s why you hear about so many people walking after a doctor has told them they will never walk again. It’s not human perseverance overcoming impossible odds, it’s Doctors trying to avoid malpractices suits. If that Doctor had cleared Darius to play basketball and something terrible happened to his knee the Doctor might end up in a world of legal troubles. On the other hand, if the Doctor deems his injury career ending then it doesn’t matter what happens to his knee. If Darius ends up making a comeback, he can always just chalk it up to a miracle. Just another brave young man overcoming unimaginable human adversity.
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by Winchester on Sep 30, 2008 10:33 PM PDT 0 recs
Pritchard didn't misdiagnose anything.
He isn’t a doctor. No doubt they wanted off the team, but the league doctor deemed the injury career ending. That doesn’t mean Darius can never pick up a ball again, but he may very well regret doing so when he’s walking with a cane the rest of his life. Darius has disagreed with himself about being ready to play. Sometimes he’s been ready since last year, sometimes late in the season, and sometimes he’s just getting back to being able to play. The weight loss pills were evident enough he wasn’t ready to play and was not working towards a comeback.
Comebacks happen, and Darius playing is not the end of the world for the Blazers or our cap space. If Darius can play good for him, hopefully he’ll try harder and treat his coach better than he did here.
by Bskey on
Sep 30, 2008 10:52 PM PDT
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Either way, I am happy he is gone.
The last link from the J*ilBl*zer days is gone. In fact the only player who was on the team was Outlaw and he is one of the nicest of them.
KP getting rid of Miles was the main catch, the salary cap thing was just icing on the cake.
The season cannot get here soon enough.
by SpyderRyder on Sep 30, 2008 11:33 PM PDT 0 recs
Exactly
I’m tired of being angry about this. I will just have to see what happens much like the garbage going on in DC it’s just a matter of wait and see.
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by Idog1976 on
Oct 1, 2008 11:15 AM PDT
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The extra cap space was only a bonus
the main thing was moving him along. The thing is, when next summer comes and the Blazers have all that cap space, who are we going to want to be getting rid of to make minutes for that super duper free agent to play with?
I can’t think of anyone.
by raoulduke on Sep 30, 2008 11:42 PM PDT 0 recs
My 2 Cents
I know the rule says if he plays 10 games then the salary goes back towards the cap. If Ange cuts Darius after 10 games or Darius gets hurt again after 10 games, then the Blazers will get their cap space back. I imagine they could appeal it, in either case and say, “Look Ange is just trying to screw us” or “We told you his carreer is over, it’s not our fault he destroyed his knees.”
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 5:08 AM PDT 0 recs
There would be a waiting period (probably one year or one season)
So the re-application for medical retirement would come at least too late for 2009. Maybe it would save us some money in 2010, but then we won’t have enough to sign a superstar anyway as the salaries are constructed right now.
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by Norsktroll on
Oct 1, 2008 6:12 AM PDT
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The good thing is
That we don’t need to sign a super star. I think the cap space is for Paul Allen. It’s the one thing he hasn’t been able to play with up until now. If we don’t sign Kobe, I think they’ll just use it on the guys already on the roster.
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by tominhawaii on
Oct 1, 2008 6:28 AM PDT
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By superstar I mean up to a max. player
And $21 million after deducting Miles would be enough to re-sign Webster, Frye, and get a player.
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by Norsktroll on
Oct 1, 2008 6:33 AM PDT
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And for Webster we even have Bird rights
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by Norsktroll on
Oct 1, 2008 6:34 AM PDT
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Will they cute Ike or trade him?
I like the idea of trading him and Sergio for Wade.
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by tominhawaii on
Oct 1, 2008 6:49 AM PDT
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The numbers, the numbers, they just don't match
How about Sergio and Ike for Mike Conley as a nice backup and ultimate replacement for Blake? Too realistic?
Or how about Sergio for Darius Miles after Dec. 15? I heard Marbury say Boston needs a point guard, and he must know it cause he is one. And a journalist asked Rajon Rondo on media day if Boston could win a championship with a starting point guard who has just two years of NBA experience. What a great question. I highly doubt it, so they must be interested in Sergio who brings that plus ACB experience plus international tournaments experience. If Miles hasn’t played in 10 games until then, we would get a lot of intangibles in this trade. Or if he already did, I hear he could be so good he would be the ideal solution for our starting small forward conundrum.
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by Norsktroll on
Oct 1, 2008 8:09 AM PDT
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Hmm
Maybe I should throw in Steve Hill.
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by tominhawaii on
Oct 1, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
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Great quote from the article
He did not seem bitter over the drug suspension, although he admitted his willingness to appeal was altered when he learned that the lost earnings from the suspension would be deducted from his Celtics’ contract, not his more lucrative Blazers’ deal.</blockquote
But as said, he seems healthy enough, so we should get ready to deal with the reduction in cap space.
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by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 6:20 AM PDT 0 recs
Have you seen the Bayless video on ESPN?
I just saw it for the first time. Bayless said he doesn’t care about assists, and all he wants to do is score. He said something like, “Screw my teammates, I gotta get mine.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=por
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by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 6:32 AM PDT 0 recs
Dang it
I thought this was the junk drawer and meant to hit “cancel” when I hit “post.” Sorry about that.
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by tominhawaii on
Oct 1, 2008 6:33 AM PDT
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I´ve heard Bayless calling Oden "Gregarious".
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by amlmart1 on
Oct 1, 2008 8:08 AM PDT
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Gregarious.
Through all the nickname debates, most suggestions have been pure tripe, but this….now this!!! GREGARIOUS!!! I actually like that. Once it is repeated enough to get past the initial, literal meaning, it takes on it’s own life. Something big….huge….collosal….GREGARIOUS!!!!!
…and at center….number 52…..GRRRRRREEEEEGGGGGAAAAAAARRRIIIIIUUUUUSSSSSS!!!!!
It has that Roman gladiator Commodus Gluteus Maximus Decimus kind of ring to it.
Yep, it’s official. Gregarious. Debate over.
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by lukeyhere on
Oct 1, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
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I like it too
I just hope he is less then Gregarious on the defensive end. Perhaps on Offense Gregarious Maximus and on defense Gregarious DECIMUS as in decimating the FG% of the other team.
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by Idog1976 on
Oct 1, 2008 11:17 AM PDT
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I couldn't believe my ears........
“Screw Oden, I’ma get mine?” Despicable…………
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by iDea on
Oct 1, 2008 7:27 AM PDT
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I made the quote up
I didn’t think anyone would take me serious.
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by tominhawaii on
Oct 1, 2008 9:20 AM PDT
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I was just playing along
I actually watched the vid.
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by iDea on
Oct 1, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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Sweet
I thought most people understood my game.
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by tominhawaii on
Oct 2, 2008 4:02 AM PDT
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We just nod our heads like we understand...
… while casting glances for the men in the white jackets.
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by timg56 on
Oct 2, 2008 7:44 AM PDT
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Am I reading into this?
‘…Miles said he never took diet pills — the over-the-counter medication in which the banned stimulant he tested positive for, phentarmine, is most commonly found — and had never taken any medication other than what was prescribed by Portland’s doctors and trainers.
“I wish I knew. I really do wish I knew, but [Celtics president] Danny Ainge told me ‘leave it alone,’ so I left it alone,” Miles said.’
Does Darius think the Blazers gave him the banned drug?
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by tssbro on Oct 1, 2008 9:12 AM PDT 0 recs
So Ainge wants a 12% discount on the Miles contract.
I can’t imagine the Blazers purposefully giving him banned drugs.
But I bet timbo will. : )
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by lukeyhere on
Oct 1, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
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I don't think the Blazers would either...
but Darius seems to think they may have. I didn’t want to read to much between the lines. Darius has some serious issues with how the Blazers treated him, to the point that he thinks they gave him a banned substance to hurt his chances for a comeback. Or he is so angry he is willing to imply they did in order to sabatoge his comeback even if he knows the source of the drugs.
Can I just say that the Blazers organization did a terrific job in keeping the Miles’ situation from derailing the team last season? I know others have cried conspiracy on this one, but I would have to say the stories came out, they just didn’t find enough traction with the fan base to become huge distractions. A big part of this was putting together a team that didn’t need Miles.
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by tssbro on
Oct 1, 2008 9:46 AM PDT
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I’ve said this before, but at some point the Blazers obviously decided that Miles wasn’t a future part of this team. They didn’t even want him around the team. He was either going to be retired or traded. Did they extend him every consideration that they would have to Brandon Roy had he been in the same situation? Of course not. Did this contribute to his inability to come back and play? No doubt. Did the Blazers breach any contracts, fake any tests, lie to any doctors to accomplish this? Probably not. All they really had to do was take a hands off approach….let nature take it’s course so to speak.
Was this all part of the plan? Yeah, probably. It can be a plan without being a conspiracy.
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by lukeyhere on
Oct 1, 2008 9:58 AM PDT
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Good Points...
Miles was obviously not a part of the plan to the point that they did not even want to play him in order to trade him and detract from the team’s development.
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by tssbro on
Oct 1, 2008 10:15 AM PDT
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Where'd you find this nugget?
What a joke……I find it hard to believe the Blazer doc’s or trainers could do something like that. It’s pretty hard to believe Miles in this situation. Of course he took the diet pills, lying piece of crap……..
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by iDea on
Oct 1, 2008 11:44 AM PDT
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Yeah, I don't think he lost weight
The hardworking way.
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by twiggs on
Oct 1, 2008 11:56 AM PDT
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It was in the story linked above...
I think it just shines light on how contentious the relationship is, at least from Miles’ side, and how well the Blazers have kept this from being a distraction from what they are trying to do. In the past, a president or GM might have gone on TV and tried to defend himself and come off looking rather ridiculous.
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by tssbro on
Oct 1, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
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Since when has Darius ever made sense?
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by timg56 on
Oct 2, 2008 7:45 AM PDT
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Much Ado About Very Little
When the doctor concluded that Mile’s injury was career ending, it ended his trade value. So, the Blazers, having moved on and liking Webster and Outlaw, released him. Which is the same thing San Diego did to Livingston – even though the NBA had not ruled that his injury was career ending. Certainly Livingston had as much possible upside as Miles. What’s ironic to me is how much has gotten read into this situation. After all, in the two years that Miles was out, the Blazers developed Travis and Martel. Does anyone think that Miles will ever have anymore of an upside than Travis, for example? And it’s Travis who is in the slot Miles at one time might have had. If you don’t, then the Blazers simply made the only decision they had – which was to release him, since they couldn’t trade him.
And don’t forget how the rest of the league has reacted. Did you see a lot of GM’s lining up eagerly to get something cheap (as in for the minimum)? No. Why? Two reasons. First, they don’t know if he can stand up to NBA play for any period of time without reinjuring his knee, and second, he’s always seemed a bit of a head case and a lot of teams don’t want to deal with it.
And in the end, with Travis and Martel working hard and playing positively, the only other option was to let Miles collect splinters on the bench, as opposed to Batum. Does anyone on the board think that this is something either Miles (who wants to play), of the Blazers wanted? He’d have been an unhappy player no matter how you cut it.
We have a good team. Miles, after two years sitting it out, and having a lot of rehab work still to do, simply was no longer a part of it. We’d moved on.
by Eben Calder on Oct 2, 2008 6:59 AM PDT 1 recs
Good points.
Essentially we would have been better off without Miles in spite of any potential cap relief. We, as fans, get a bit greedy and not only want to have our cake and eat it too…we want ice cream with sprinkles and chocolate syrup and a cherry on top.
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by lukeyhere on
Oct 2, 2008 7:23 AM PDT
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I'll believe Miles is still capable of playing in the NBA...
… when I actually see it.
Until then, its a non-issue.
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by timg56 on Oct 2, 2008 7:48 AM PDT 0 recs











