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A Few Thoughts from Practice

Nothing revolutionary occurred during today's open practice, but I did jot the following notes that I thought would be worth sharing.  Please realize we were only allowed to watch the last 20-30 minutes of a 2 hour plus practice so the chance that anything truly important would take place in front of our eyes was basically zero.

With that said, here's what I saw...

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-- When we entered the guys were setup 5 on 5, halfcourt.  With the ball: Sergio, Martell, Randolph, Roy, Hill. On defense: Blake, Rudy, Outlaw, Aldridge, Przybilla. Players rotated in and out pretty quickly. Offense would run through a play until someone on defense screwed up or a shot was taken, Nate would yell or clap his hands, they'd check the ball up, rotate some players, and do it again.

-- Right off the bat, Martell nailed a long jumper.  His BFF Bayless was there very quickly with a high five.

-- Shortly thereafter, as if on cue, Sergio, who was now playing defense, got an earful from Coach for not rotating properly. Sergio's reaction indicated this was not the first time he's been in that situation.

-- Others to get instruction on defense that stopped things: Batum and Rudy.  Batum seemed overwhelmed, wide-eyed like a raver.  With all the talent on the floor, I don't blame him. Rudy was in the flow and just seemed to be digesting the new information.  Nate treated Batum with kid gloves a little bit; totally different manner than his address to Sergio.  This makes sense.

-- Aldridge looks great. Hit two jumpers back to back with Hill's hand in his face.

-- We saw Bayless briefly at both the one and the two.  In both positions, at different times, he really pounded the ball.  On the top of the key, he was flying by whoever was supposed to be guarding him (Tatum, I think?), getting into the lane just like summer league, but looking to distribute when surrounded by the bigs. When he played the 2 on the wing, he was fighting through screens, getting himself a favorable matchup (Ike switched out on him), and then proceeded to dribble 10+ times before throwing up a shimmy-shake jumper that rimmed out. 

-- Channing was not participating in the drill. He was shooting on a basket near us, working on his face-up jumper, due to his rehab for the ankle surgery.  His ankle was taped and I watched for a while to see if he would favor it in any way during his shot, and he didn't seem to.  He had his usual, natural, balanced shot. I guess that would be a good sign.

-- Greg was on the exercise bike, as you already know. Yes, he was limping. No, this was not what I expected after waiting for more than a year to see him hoop.  Maybe tomorrow?

-- At one point during the drill, Luke Jackson closed out on a Rudy jumper, knocking the Spanish Stud into a nearby bench.  Whoops.  Welcome to America.  The bench was moved in short order.

-- After the drill was over, the team broke up to shoot free throws.  Bayless attentively received some extra coaching from Monty before going to shoot.  After the shooting was over, he was showing off a serious floor burn on his hip, which must have occurred prior to the open access period.  

-- Speaking of Monty, on my way out I said, "they look good." Monty replied, "They ARE good."

-- Some members of the team were wearing "15 = 16" shirts. It's that kind of math that's got our economy in the tank if you ask me. 

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So that's what I've got.  The main takeaway from today for me was the challenge that Nate faces.  It's one thing to diagram a depth chart on paper, it's another to see all those big, multi-talented, athletic, versatile bodies all on the floor at once, going at it full-speed.  Lots of choices. Baskin Robbins status.  

-- Ben (benjamin.golliver@gmail.com)

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Oh yea, I'm goin' read this...

…but 1st!

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Sep 30, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

Thank you, Thank you Ben.

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Sep 30, 2008 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Benny Blanco

I’ve been meaning to predict that Martell and Bayless would either fall in love with each other, or be like magnets that don’t like each other because they occupy the same space of young, serious, intense guy who wants to be great but is on a team with lotsa good players.

Bayless seems like he won’t have the same mental lapses Martell had due to Bayless having extreme self confidence and probably more game, but I think Martell will admire that about Bayless and be attracted to that as well.

They’ll be a duo of heartbreakers.

I’m jus’ sayin’, they’ll get along. Two dudes, serious about being good.

I mention this because of your BFF comment, and because it is something that has popped in my head as I lay awake at night, tossing and turning just thinking about which player is friends with which.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Sep 30, 2008 6:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

not sure if this was made public yesterday or not

bayless mentioned he has known martell since nike camp when he was in like 8th or 9th grade. (not sure if this was written about)

bayless also said martell was the one that most impressed him. (pretty sure this was written about)

i think they are already on their way to doing the type of things you’re talking about.

again, baskin robbins status.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to say it now: Bayless is going to be the greatest of these Blazers.

He has IT, lots of IT, more IT than anyone….

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Sep 30, 2008 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What we nee are greggs.

The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.

by amlmart1 on Oct 1, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oooppps, "need"

The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.

by amlmart1 on Oct 1, 2008 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KGW says:

Oden participated in todays second round of workouts.

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Sep 30, 2008 6:33 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

As in, after the ankle tweak?

We’ll just have to wait for video from tomorrow’s practice, then.
If Oden’s in that, it’ll be good to compare and contrast the video from that with today’s footage.

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Sep 30, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As in, after the ankle tweak?

Yes.
That is how it fit into the report.

"You're really making me feel good about myself, little man," says Oden as he starts dancing after scoring a goal. "You better come harder than that."

by BlueBooYay on Sep 30, 2008 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

he's playing tonight

which is a closed practice….

so i don’t think there will be any video of it…

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 6:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If an Oden particpates in a practice

and there’s no video of it, does it make a sound?

by Montavilla Steve on Sep 30, 2008 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet Ben.

I just saw the Rudy spill on TV, I won’t lie I laughed. Out of Ranolph, Hill, and Jackson who’s looking the best right now?

And glad to hear Bayless is still playing like Bayless.

by Bskey on Sep 30, 2008 6:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no way to tell based off of what we saw.

sorry.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Slight Discrepancy

On the link to MB’s blog he explains the 16 in ‘15=16’ refers to being one of the 16 Playoff teams, and today on The Fan I heard Jason Quick say the 16 referred to the magic number of wins it takes to win the NBA Championship. Which one is it?

I know its not a big deal, but I rather like the motto and would like to figure out Nate’s intention behind it before I screen print myself a T-Shirt!

by Mallardvalue on Sep 30, 2008 6:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

given that the team’s mantra seems to be “let’s make the playoffs” and given barrett’s access to the team, i’d lean toward the first explanation but that’s speculation on my part.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way

A blatant rip-off of the Tampa Bay Rays. I think we should take it a step further and remove the “Trail” out of our name and reveal incredibly generic uniforms and then knock off the Yankees L*kers out of the playoffs and take home-field from the Red Sox Jazz.

A guy can dream, right?

by usdblazerfan on Sep 30, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No need to read what Ben writes anymore

Rip on Sergio, praise Bayless, rinse, repeat. Its called journalistic integrity, try it now and again.

Your crap is so tiring. This site needs another impartial writer. Dave can only do so much.

by as11osu on Sep 30, 2008 6:51 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

My names as11osu and I like to say stupid things for attention.

"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Devyn on Sep 30, 2008 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey now.

I’ve been a little bit disappointed in Ben’s output recently too, but I wouldn’t call his work “crap.” Especially after a post like this, where he takes us places that we can’t go. Posts like this are what make BE what it is, and that wouldn’t be possible without Ben.

There have been some bumps along the way, but overall, Ben is a fantastic writer. I’m glad he’s part of the team here at BE, and I think he’s going to continue to develop into a better and better journalist.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Sep 30, 2008 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also:

Your criticism could be phrased in a more productive way, and it would be perfectly valid. How about, “I feel like Ben isn’t giving Sergio a fair shake here” or “I think you give Bayless too much credit.” What you have now isn’t constructive at all.

Also, re-read that paragraph about Bayless in the original post. I don’t think it’s exactly a glowing endorsement.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Sep 30, 2008 7:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know...

What he said about Bayless isnt what I wanted to hear. Here is how I see it:

“he was flying by whoever was supposed to be guarding him (Tatum, I think?), getting into the lane just like summer league” translates to: “he continued his ballhog attitude he displayed in SL”

“and then proceeded to dribble 10+ times before throwing up a shimmy-shake jumper that rimmed out. " translates to: "He went one on one for half the shot clock and tossed up a brick”

I really hope we don’t have the second coming of Allen Iverson in Jerryd Bayless. I want to hear something that makes me think he actually has point guard potential offensively…

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Sep 30, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know I've been a bit too hard on Jerryd Bayless, ...

but there’s a reason that he almost exclusively played shooting guard at Arizona beside tiny point guard Nic Wise. Even when Wise was injured for a few games and replaced in the starting lineup by shooting guard Jawaan McClellan, über-atheltic swingman Chase Budinger shifted into a point forward role to compensate for Bayless’ inferior distributing abilities.

All in all, my point is that Bayless isn’t a natural floor general.

by AK1984 on Oct 1, 2008 1:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You continue to misrepresent the situation.....

Arizona’s top SG got hurt. JBay was moved from the 1 to the 2, because he was the best scorer on the team.

by upper left corner on Oct 1, 2008 7:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?!?

Look, Jerryd Bayless was scouted as a shooting guard out of high school.

http://arizona.scout.com/2/376426.html

http://wc.arizona.edu/papers/98/236/02_4.html

http://www.basketballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=13

http://www.prepspotlight.com/imagegallery/prepspotlight-image-gallery/jerryd-bayless-6393-saint-mary39saz-2007-pg

Et cetera …

Again, Nic Wise was the starting point guard at Arizona throughout a fair amount of last season — except for a few games in which he was out with an injury, wherein I’ve already mentioned that interim head coach Kevin O’Neill shifted Chase Budinger into a point forward role to compensate for Bayless’ deficiencies at facilitating the offense — so you’re disinformation is baffling stuff.

Also, the Wildcats’ returning shooting guard from the 2006-2007 to the 2007-2008 season, Jawaan McClellan, wasn’t hurt at all last year; instead, he saw his role change from starting shooting guard to defensive stopper on the wing.

Anyhow, whether or not Bayless can be converted into point guard in the NBA is an unknown to each and every one of us, but it’ll definitely be an uphill battle for him that may backfire on the Blazers.

by AK1984 on Oct 1, 2008 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

solution...

he’s a score first point guard, that is best utilized when he is paired with a facilatating orientated shooting guard.

I do remember reading about him being forced to play sg, due to the lack of “good” playmates. (not those kind tom)

but I know little. just chimming in during lunch.

"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham

by faith on Oct 1, 2008 12:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on those reasons, Brandon Roy ...

is a definitely great partner for Jerryd Bayless. Certainly, there’s better options to pair beside either one of ‘em — such as Andre Iguodala for Bayless and Kirk Hinrich for Roy — yet, that’s solely ’cause neither guy is a lockdown defender along the perimeter.

Anyhow, aside from my criticisms of Bayless, he deserves credit for being an efficient scorer from 15 to 18 feet away from the basket, a speed demon who constantly drives to the rim and draws a bunch of fouls, and someone who’ll seemingly be a harmonious fit in the clubhouse.

by AK1984 on Oct 1, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a thought

Could it be that maybe Ben is showing integrity and you just simply don’t want to hear it?
If Sergio screwed up, and that’s what Ben saw, then that’s what Ben wrote. If Bayless did his best Damon Stoudemire impersonation and dribbled out the shot clock, and Ben that’s what Ben saw, then that’s what Ben wrote.

You could at least have the class to send Ben a personal email to voice your concerns, rather then assassinate his character and integrity. If you did that, then you’d have some ground to stand on.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Sep 30, 2008 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Attaboy Dave.

Glad you’re here Ben. I think you add a lot to the mix already, and I look forward to watching you, Nate, Martell and the whole team grow together.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

by Ojala John on Sep 30, 2008 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Thanks for weighing in, Dave.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Sep 30, 2008 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true story
You’re talking to real people here who give up more time and energy than you know for absolutely no compensation to bring you this coverage.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I speak for many people here when I say keep up the good work.

I think you do a very good job. I look forward to more this week. You and Dave are very appreciated. This is always the first and last site I check each day.

by Bskey on Sep 30, 2008 8:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another true story

My basketball bookmarks are labeled entirely with first names: Henry, Casey, Mike, etc, etc. Two days ago I renamed my Dave bookmark to Dave & Ben.

by Corvid on Sep 30, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How ya doin, how ya doin?

Dave, Dave.

"Mommy and Daddy are going to take a nap before the baseball game starts..."

by Devyn on Sep 30, 2008 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooops!

I should clarify. The sentence where I said, “As soon as I make a comment about Sergio I will not be seen as impartial anymore” should read “As soon as I make a NEGATIVE comment.” The other leaves open the interpretation that I have a negative view of him that I’m just waiting to unleash on the world as soon as I speak about him. Actually I hope he performs well, because I think we could use him.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 30, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks,

I just thought that you had an opinion of Sergio that I hadn’t heard you spell out before. But I did take it as YOUR opinion. I think that you and Ben are entitled to opinions. You guys are fans just like us.

Fans — just like us.

Sometimes the people in here (including myself) forget that. I want you and Ben to know that you are appreciated.

by parkinglotj on Sep 30, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing in person can change perspective

I was a Sergio fan the first year he was with the Blazers, thinking that McMillan unreasonably restricted his minutes. Then, last year, I bought season tickets and saw Sergio in person. I saw a player with an inconsistent shot, a player who had trouble finishing at the basket after he broke his man down and passed him, a player who, for significant stretches, made no impact on the course of the game. This from a sub who’s injected into the game to make good things happen. Sometimes he was better. Mostly, Sergio was roulette. Before the season’s end I had developed a new respect for McMillan’s judgment.

It seems to me that there are a number of Sergio fanatics who embrace him like religious extremists. For them there are no arguments you can make, no evidence you can produce that can convince them that Sergio is not maligned, that Sergio is not a young Steve Nash or the next Chris Paul.

For those, I pose this question: Why would people whose careers and/or hearts rise and fall with the success of the team want to diminish anyone who can really contribute to the success of the team? This doesn’t mean that people of goodwill can’t disagree. But it does mean, rockinghard, that people who disagree with you are probably not perverse. Or lazy. Or unprofessional. Or biased.

And that’s the truth.

by Trutherlizer on Sep 30, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoa, whoa, whoa...

Where did I say I thought those who disagreed with me are perverse, lazy, unprofessional or biased? Disagreement is one of the greatest parts of BE. I’ve learned a lot from those I disagree with on here. Being able to respectfully disagree on the internet simply does not happen, and it’s rare in other areas of life. I’m continually amazed and grateful that disagreement happens here with such grace (usually).

Please double-check which poster is making incendiary statements before calling them out. Because I think your comment was intended for as11osu.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Sep 30, 2008 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps it's being suggested

that as11osu is a pseudonym for you, Mr well spoken, urbane Hard Rocker. Perhaps coded into your name is a despicable truth. YOU ARE AS11OSU! You sneaky rabble rousing incendiary snake in the grass.

You’re probably fatty as well….

That was kinda fun! I may have to try that more often.

Mortimer; you’re next.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

by Ojala John on Sep 30, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pardon, rockingharder

My bad. I meant to address as11osu.

And that’s the truth.

by Trutherlizer on Sep 30, 2008 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks Trutherlizer

No hard feelings. I just looked at your post and thought, “did I miss something here?”

Also: I see you’re fairly new to the Edge. Welcome!

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Oct 1, 2008 7:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dave to the rescue

Everything Dave writes about Ben is biased. Here we go again. Dave, it’s obvious you like Ben. That makes you biased.

You invited him to write on your blog. You’ll look bad if he fails. That’s why you are biased.

Ben works hard to go to the practice facility, and you can’t. That’s why you’re biased. You feel guilty about playing with Baby PG while Ben does all the hard work. I can see right through you.

Ben writes well, too. You like that, and that’s why you are biased. You’re a biased elitist.

Bias, bias, bias. That’s you, Dave.

Oh, I almost forgot. Rec. That’s four. Somebody else will turn it green, I’m sure. Probably because they are biased.

I’m never biased. It is impossible to be biased when you are always right.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 1, 2008 4:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see as11osu's point

I think Ben’s "as if on cue" comment about Sergio was back handed. I don’t think Ben bashes Sergio but he has definitely written him off, and he is obviously been enamored with Bayless since summer league. I said it a couple of days ago and I think it is fair to say that Ben has sort of taken on JerrydFTW mentality and Sergio is his Jarrett Jack. (Re: SergioFTW really did not like Jack. In his comments, it seemed like Sergio could do no wrong and Jack could do no right.)

I differ from as11osu in the opinion that Ben is a journalist. He’s a blogger, and there are no standards of blogger integrity or impartialness. He is free type whatever he wants.

I would also like to point out that Blazer’s Edge is a Site by Blazer fans, for Blazer fans, and some Blazer fans are fans of Sergio Rodriguez.

Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision

by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Two points:

1. Ben is hardly the only one saying Bayless is having great workouts so far. I know Casey has raved about him and I believe Gavin has too.

2. It’s possible that Ben mentioned Sergio specifically because he knew people would be interested in how Sergio was doing, because there are Sergio fans here. But Ben can only work with the data he’s given. He can’t make up stuff Sergio did in order to please people. If that’s the most noticeable thing that happened to Sergio during the run the team got while the media was present, so be it. Maybe it’ll be different tomorrow. Blasting him for it is uncalled for.

The long and short of it is, had Ben said, “Sergio had a fantastic practice! Bayless was so-so.” the comments would be, “Great reporting, Ben! Way to go!” His words would be used as evidence across the internet from here to kingdom come. There would be no accusations of bias. All of a sudden he’d be an “expert”. The problem is, that’s not what he saw. He’d be lying. So the less-biased reporting is taken as bias while the more-biased reporting would be taken as truth. The perception of whether he’s a good observer/reporter depend solely on how well he says Sergio plays. That is the unsound, untenable standard. And media outlet, blog or mainstream, that operates on those principles isn’t worth the virtual paper it’s printed on.

—Dave

by Dave on Oct 1, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He also said

he saw Sergio nail a long shot. He’s purposefully selecting what he reports and what he doesn’t report (on Sergio). And with that, you could make anyone look good or look bad. You’ve seen how he’s slanted Sergio’s words in the recent weeks, and as he has already stated in the past, he’s written Sergio off. Look at what he wrote here…

— Shortly thereafter, as if on cue, Sergio, who was now playing defense, got an earful from Coach for not rotating properly. Sergio’s reaction indicated this was not the first time he’s been in that situation.

as if on cue, huh? Do you really need me to tell you how biased and honestly disrespectful that is?

There is a large contingent of people here that feel his words about Sergio are patently unfair, and it’d be nice if you didn’t just disregard them, because you’re not an idiot, and I’m positive that you’ve noticed it too.

by as11osu on Oct 1, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"As if on cue" is a reference to Sergio's standing with Nate last season if you ask me, not a "see, I told you he was bad" remark

Just my perception.

As for the reporting, while I wouldn’t like to see Ben or Dave just bashing players, I don’t mind writers being opinionated, a trait that Ben displays somewhat more than Dave in his writing. Maybe it’s better to reserve that opinion for a commentary or essay than for a factual report, but in general it makes reading stories more interesting than say an AP report. A lot of sports writers, bloggers and broadcasters that are even nationally syndicated are opinionated, some extremely, few are completely objective. It can get way too much (Jay Mariotti anyone? Canzano? I also don’t like screaming match shows like Around the Horn). But often it’s highly entertaining even if you don’t agree with them on a lot of things (e.g. Bill Simmons, even NBA blogfather Henry Abbott is not neutral by any stretch of the imagination). Ben is constantly citing great sports writers past and present as his influences, and while he develops his own style I think he has a lot of respect for them and for the integrity of this profession.

We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.

by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 1:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S.

If you want to see an overtly biased blogger praising some guys and dissing others, head over to Blog a Bull and read how Matt (“Your friendly BullsBlogger”) who btw sits on the board of SB-Nation and seems to be an all-around nice guy despite this trait writes and comments about Rose and Gordon on one side and guys like Nocioni and Hughes on the other side. Then contrast that with the way Dave and Ben write about players they might not be high on.

We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.

by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're Points are Valid

And after this, I am done with this argument. It is not so much this post as much as it has been Ben’s posts in the past month or two. If they involve Sergio, they are almost always derogatory and always flippant and and dismissive. I think this was just the post that set that OSU dude off. Ben’s tone towards Sergio is similar to his tone towards paper journalist, that disparage bloggers. Saying Sergio had a crappy practice play is one thing, saying, “as if on cue,” is totally different.

Sergio is like my 10th favorite player on the team. I just don’t like going to a Blazer’s blog and read people bash him. He’s a late first round pick and a 2nd or 3rd string point guard, and it seems like Ben, Timbo, and others seek every opportunity to throw a backhanded comment Sergio’s way.

The best way I can compare it is to say that the Blazers are my 14 or so children. My most successful kid could be a succesful doctor, with a perfect family, and my most troubled child is in prison for selling drugs; I’m still going to stick up for the kid in prison. He’s still my family and I don’t like people disparaging him.

I think what that OSU guy was getting at, was that the comments and fanposts are the place for fans to be dismissive towards the players, but the main page has always been even keeled. As much as I love Ben’s writing and everything he does, when he dismisses Sergio, it is disheartening.

I said it before and I’ll say it again and again, I would rather people/Ben put Sergio in the same category as Raef and call him STBT and ignore him, than talk stink about him. Ben would have been better off not making a comment about Sergio at all.

Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision

by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok your right, (oh it pains me to say that) we need to talk about Raef

# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."

by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben rocks.

……………………… and I’m a grouchy old sumbeech…

That’s like normal people saying “Ben REALLY REALLY rocks!!!”

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Sep 30, 2008 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben your basketball acumen is always impressive

but your economics math is a little short. 15=135 would be more like the conditions that presaged the economy. This has existed for more than a half-century. Looking up the way the bank reserves system works in Wikipedia:


Effects on money supply

Reserve requirements affect the potential of the banking system to create transaction deposits. If the reserve requirement is 10, for example, a bank that receives a $100 deposit may lend out $90 of that deposit. If the borrower then writes a check to someone who deposits the $90, the bank receiving that deposit can lend out $81. As the process continues, the banking system can expand the change in excess reserves of $90 into a maximum of $900 of money ($90+81+$72.90+…=$900). In contrast, with a 20 reserve requirement, the banking system would be able to expand the initial $100 deposit into a maximum of $500400 ($80+$64+$51.20+…=$400). Thus, higher reserve requirements should result in reduced money creation and, in turn, in reduced economic activity.
.
Reserve requirements apply only to transaction accounts, which are components of M1, a narrowly defined measure of money. Deposits that are components of M2 and M3 (but not M1), such as savings accounts and time deposits such as CDs, have no reserve requirements and therefore can expand without regard to reserve levels. Furthermore, the Federal Reserve operates in a way that permits banks to acquire the reserves they need to meet their requirements from the money market, so long as they are willing to pay the prevailing price (the federal funds rate) for borrowed reserves. Consequently, reserve requirements currently play a relatively limited role in money creation in the United States.

So will you get to watch some of each practice or only this one day?

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Sep 30, 2008 7:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

every day this week.

hopefully with a big surprise on thursday as well.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 7:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Looking forward to them all!

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Sep 30, 2008 9:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Big surprise

Ben is going to get to try out for the 15th roster spot.

Ben is going to be allowed to stand under the basket while Greg dunks on his head.

Ben is going to be allowed to try to stare down Jerryd.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 1, 2008 4:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

KP reveals that he has agreed with Danny Ainge to trade Sergio for the rights to Darius Miles

Thus, he becomes an integral part of our bench, but unfortunately only for <10 games this season.

We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.

by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 4:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh man

the money multiplier effect always bother me too! I swear, if I didn’t know any better, I would think that something D, O, O economics…..Voodoo economics (in my best Ben Stein voice) had to do with monetarism.

Devil's Advocate or just argumentative?

by Magnum on Sep 30, 2008 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve been a little bit disappointed in Ben’s output recently too, but I wouldn’t call his work "crap." Especially after a post like this, where he takes us places that we can’t go. Posts like this are what make BE what it is, and that wouldn’t be possible without Ben.

There have been some bumps along the way, but overall, Ben is a fantastic writer. I’m glad he’s part of the team here at BE, and I think he’s going to continue to develop into a better and better journalist.

I agree. I’m just so tired of all his posts being redundant with Sergio rips and Bayless praises. It really is old, and isn’t worth my time.

by as11osu on Sep 30, 2008 7:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

then don't read it.

it’s that simple.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

um....

but if we asked nicely,

about if you did see “anything” encouraging from sergio………..wha’d ya say to that?

"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham

by faith on Sep 30, 2008 7:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

sergio

made a jumper off a pass from bayless. nothing but net.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 8:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WHO ARE YOU AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH BEN?!?

[in best Borat voice] I make a funny, yes?

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Sep 30, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

can’t wait for the bruno movie

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And by the way . . .

 . . . I’m kinda a little confused about the comment that triggered all this hoo-ha:

— Shortly thereafter, as if on cue, Sergio, who was now playing defense, got an earful from Coach
for not rotating properly. Sergio’s reaction indicated this was not the first time he’s been in that situation.

What exactly was that reaction, anyway?
Did Sergio kinda tune it out in a “Yeah, whatever, la la la, I can’t hear you” kinda way?
Or was it more a sense of defensiveness and frustration, a huffy “why are you picking on me” kinda vibe?

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Sep 30, 2008 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

as always you go above and beyond the bar and set a mighty high standard...

HONOR TERRY PORTER!

"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham

by faith on Sep 30, 2008 10:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wohoo, Bayless can pass :)

We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.

by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why push people away Ben???

I agree with as11’s message, but not necessarily the way he presents it. The Sergio ripping is getting pretty old, remember that he is part of our team and we should be rooting for him to succeed, not hoping he fails. Honestly, at this point I would avoid anything you write involving Sergio or Bayless but the problem is that it is on the front page, and generally mixed in with other good info that I appreciate you providing. If you write a post entitled “Sergio vs Bayless”, I promise to avoid it like the plague. Thanks for the report Ben, I could just use less Sergio bashing and less Bayless mancrushness. I basically don’t consider your opinion of either player worth anything due to the obvious and blatant bias you have. Of course, that is completely hypocritical of me considering my Rudy mancrush, and my Jarrett Jack anti-crush, but I don’t have blazers media credentials, and my stuff isn’t posted on the main page for 100’s of members(new and old) to read. Think about all the people from Spain that will start poking their head around here only to be turned off by one of the moderators blatantly ripping on their hometown kid at any given opportunity. Not to mention all the people who remember Sergio as a rookie and still think he has potential…

RUDY > MJ

by myemic23 on Sep 30, 2008 8:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks for your feedback.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 30, 2008 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Keep it coming, Ben

But just so you know, I like Bayless AND Surgio! (I’m probably in the minority here.)

by parkinglotj on Sep 30, 2008 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of them doesn't get to stay on the island...

"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

by timbo on Sep 30, 2008 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know, I know....

But you can probably figure out my favorite by looking at my screen photo.

by parkinglotj on Sep 30, 2008 10:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Spanish Dragon?

We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.

by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 2:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A differring view

presented respectfully.

I am stretched and entertained. It’s why I hang out here. Thanks My.

Perfect practice makes perfect.

by Ojala John on Sep 30, 2008 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus 1111 0001

Ben, I can easily see that you put in many, many uncompensated hours for this Blog (which many of us would not be willing to do) and you provide an abundance of great insight. You have also been privileged with team credentials, which a number of die-hard Blazer fans living in Portland would kill for.

I’m thinking it wouldn’t hurt to treat that privilege with a little more reverence by attempting at least a tiny amount of objectivity regarding the Rodrigez/Bayless competition. I wonder if such one-sided opinion based reporting is one of the reasons Cuban and others are reluctant to credential bloggers. Maybe there are standards here that you should be trying to maintain that could benefit other bloggers? Whether that’s a valid point or not I don’t know. But at the least, a more subjective report on our beloved players would cause less resentment among BE fans.

Face it, if Bayless is as good as you present and Sergio is as bad, then you don’t need to be beating the Bayless drum and throwing darts at Sergio. Nitty-gritty time is upon us and the scene will soon be played out on the basketball floor.

by TwoDeep on Oct 1, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Oct 1, 2008 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gosh!

I’m just really sick and tired of all the Blazer related news around here. Sheesh, you’d think there was only one team in the league. And it’s not just minutia getting reported around here that really bothers me, it’s the Blazer zealotry. Can’t we get a more balanced take around here?

Devil's Advocate or just argumentative?

by Magnum on Sep 30, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, okay.

In that case, two things:

1) Do you see how your first comment may have been construed as inflammatory?
2) I see you’re fairly new here – please take the time to read the Site Conversation Rules. Specifically, #5.

Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum

NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"

by rockingharder on Sep 30, 2008 8:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean the bit about sea cows?

I never saw the sea cows mention in there until now.

Sea cows.

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Sep 30, 2008 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Get over it

Sergio is just going to be Blake and Bayless’ whipping boy until he is traded. He’ll never see the court. Just be happy that we have another point guard on the team that is head and shoulders above Sergio.

by EazyRider on Sep 30, 2008 8:34 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

In defense of Sergio

Bayless has not proven one thing in the NBA. He is a rookie that could fall flat on his face. I am not saying he will.; just that I have seen a ton of can’t miss rookies that never made a mark in the NBA. I am rooting for all the players, because I have not been this excited about a Blazers team since 1976.

by richarda97 on Sep 30, 2008 11:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Bad Guy

Ben has already stated that he has completely written Sergio Rodriguez off. And his two subsequent articles on the man were straight from Fox News. He took articles in Spanish, misrepresented what was said, and took snippets of a couple minor quotes as evidence that they were something they were not.

Any word he says about Sergio is void of merit because of that. Dave, if you’re going to be “fans” on this site, then you have to accept someone calling you out for your biases. He’s not being a fair or balanced journalist in regards to Sergio, he’s being a fan. Beating on that same drum when people all over (not me, until recently) have been calling him out on it since the start.

I love Ben as a writer, but on this subject I’m not wrong. I do apologize for the way I said it though. Its detrimental to the site, and I don’t want to be a part of a site that has that kind of stuff constantly going on.

by as11osu on Oct 1, 2008 1:14 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

hu?

I guess if sergio would play better then he may find himself having people like ben and dave praising him.

just becuase it hasn’t happened yet doesn’t mean it won’t, as a matter a fact, it’s probably not likely, but still. Dave didn’t make sergio suck, neither did ben.

it’s sergios ball and it’s 20 seconds to go. What’s he gonna do, time’s a tickin. I dig sergio by the way.

"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham

by faith on Oct 1, 2008 6:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's not about praise, it's about unwarranted negativity.

 Sergio is the 2nd or 3rd sting point guard and it seems like one of the main guys on this blog is out to get him. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Sergio gets too much love on this site and he gets too much hate. People are so eager for him to fail or get traded. I honestly wish someone on the team would get arrested so that fans will turn on someone deserving of their anger.

Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision

by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

after 2 seasons of 82 games, his preformance has warranted, (I like earned),...

the negative feedback. now it’s about what he does with it.

I like to think that if I were sergio, I would take what ben has written and taped it to my door frame at home and look at it every time I step out my door, and use it as fuel…

 “I’m gonna show that no good bloger!”
-sergio

and get better at whatever it was that lite the fuse to the negative vibe…..

isn’t that what we all hope for? (excluding the religious "fan"atics, of course, as they only deal in absolute)

p.s. forgive my untimely response, my “fun” times are limited.

"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham

by faith on Oct 1, 2008 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lite = lit

I’m working on the typos…gezzzz it’s hard staying in the bounds of ya’ll gramaticly correct giants.

watch someones gonna find another elementrary gramar mistake and nail me on it.

n e way, yeah.

"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham

by faith on Oct 1, 2008 12:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I said above, that I am letting this subject go, but you deserve a reply.

We are talking about the 2nd or 3rd string point guard. How many other blogs, have the front page take the time to give frequent negative feedback towards the 2nd or 3rd string point guard?

Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision

by tominhawaii on Oct 1, 2008 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is Mike Barrett's take on the first day of practice

http://mikebarrettsblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/first-day-in-books.html

His favorite guy so far seems to be LaMarcus.

We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.

by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 3:01 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

So Webster and Aldridge

are the two fastest guys on the team in an endurance drill? How cool is that?

by raoulduke on Oct 1, 2008 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as I understand it, teams run these drills with different time limits per position

E.g. one for guards, one for (small) forwards, one for big men. If you stay under your limit, you pass. So LMA might have just been the fastest of the big men and not the fastest overall, or the one who had the most time under his limit. Still, it’s impressive.

We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.

by Norsktroll on Oct 1, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

last year I think Greg was second fastest on sprints, compared to EVERYONE!

I like Mike B. but Mike Rice needs to hang up the boots, if he can still remember where he put them the night before.

# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."

by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I use to dislike Rice

but his style of humor has grown on me.

Witty Unpredictable Talent and Natural Game

by iDea on Oct 2, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like to hear that.

There has been a lot of stories about guys improving this year…Frye’s shooting, Blake’s toughness, Webster’s conditioning and focus…but it’s an improvement by LaMarcus…and not necessarily a huge one…that this team will feel the most. Nothing will take the pressue off Greg like LaMarcus being the biggest threat on the floor. Barrett forecasted him to lead in scoring this year, and that sounds reasonable as Brandon’s minutes will probably decline slightly. But a 20 ppg average isn’t unreasonable either. I think he does it this season.

superfluous

by lukeyhere on Oct 1, 2008 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinda new here

I have no qaulms with any of the reports about any of the Blazers from this staff. Just break it down and let us fans forget about the daily grind occasionally and its all good.

Nice job too Ben and Dave, and the contributers they bring with them.

by Dragonage on Oct 1, 2008 10:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the Hate thread.

I <3 Ben and Dave. They are great writers and deserve respect. Although we may not all agree with their opinions it would be terribly disrespectful to question their integrity. I fundamentally disagree w/ Bow4Meow and Timg on just about everything but when it comes to stating their thesis and substantiating any claim with logical and practical examples I have to respect it.

The awesome thing about this website is that it comes equipped w/ cool scroll bars that enable one to simply slide past any objectionable material. I highly recommend this activity unless one suffers from carpel tunnell syndrome. :)

In regards to the practice, Ben, is Rudy really that skinny? He looks gaunt on tv. You said that Batum looked a little wide eyed and I had to say that , he is ALWAYS wide eyed.. sheesh. I am glad that Nate is being nice to him though. Although my instincts tell me that a little tough love would most likely do him some good. Along with a hamburger and some 20 lbs dumbells.

Great work G! :)
Sophia

"i'll try to find 'em- an' i'll breeng um too yuh"- Sarah Palin
I detest that man who hides one thing in the depths of his heart, and speaks for another. - Homer

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 1, 2008 11:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, Rudy is rail thin

Like, really, really thin. I knew he was but when I saw him in person I was a little suprised.

When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".

Man I love him.

by twiggs on Oct 1, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, my

Sophia wants to give Nicholas some “tough love”. We didn’t know you were >that kind<. I wonder if he’s into that.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 1, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oops

That should have been in the junk drawer. I feel so guilty.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Oct 1, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

:-)

.

"i'll try to find 'em- an' i'll breeng um too yuh"- Sarah Palin
I detest that man who hides one thing in the depths of his heart, and speaks for another. - Homer

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 1, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone else

do a double-take on this line:

With the ball: Sergio, Martell, Randolph, Roy, Hill.

Randolph? Tell me it ain’t so!

It ain’t so…this isn’t Zach we’re talking about here.

by jamon51 on Oct 1, 2008 2:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL relax its Shvalik (sp unknown... )

:)

"i'll try to find 'em- an' i'll breeng um too yuh"- Sarah Palin
I detest that man who hides one thing in the depths of his heart, and speaks for another. - Homer

by BlazerFan1 on Oct 1, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

your right, that Roy guy won't play a minute this season

(jamon51) Shlavik Randolph is Zach’s much younger and whiter cousin, and he went to a good school too

# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."

by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ben, I'm jealous, that AZ guy needs to go adorn the Suns old ball(er)s with this spite

you know you made it big when you get your first hater/reader.
I must be a super star cause half this site hates my guts.

# 10 Top Charles Barkley Quote: On the Portland Trail Blazers (back when they were known as the Jail Blazers) serving Thanksgiving meals: "In between arrests they do community service."

by BlazermaniacAndy on Oct 1, 2008 3:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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