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How Much Is Too Much?

This will take a while to get around to basketball matters.  Hold tight...it'll come around.

I got a break today and turned on CNN to check out the news.  I tuned in just in time to see the landing of American Airlines Flight 1586 at LAX.  The Boeing 737, carrying 135 people, had blown a tire on take-off then circled the airport for a couple hours to burn off fuel before attempting an emergency landing.  This gave television crews plenty of time to cluster around the runway, giving us the live shots of the plane's descent.  Fortunately the landing was textbook perfect and nobody was harmed.

As the plane was making its final approach and the outcome was (literally) up in the air I couldn't help but wonder what we were doing watching this.  However you slice it, the interest in the story was 135 people in peril...the possibility of seeing a catastrophic event before our eyes.  Even as I watched part of me was asking whether this moment should be reserved for the people on that plane alone, perhaps their families or loved ones as well.  Those people had a deep, life-changing stake in what went on in those moments.  The rest of us...what were we doing there?  Why should we be allowed to see?  What did that moment mean to us?

We've all been shown through countless Dr. Phils and Real Worlds (and their ilk) that the lives of others can be entertaining, especially when those lives include pain, catastrophe, or pathos.  When people suffer, we consume that suffering as a form of entertainment.  This movement has overwhelmed the news industry, especially on television.  Mind you, I am not saying that a potential plane crash is not newsworthy.  It clearly is.  CNN probably had a responsibility to show that landing.  But it is newsworthy in large part because the definition of "news" has come to include anything unusual, violent, hurtful, titillating, or embarrassing whether or not we really have a stake in the story.  It used to be in every small town across the country there were two or three gossips who would make sure that everybody knew the latest dirt on everybody else whether it concerned them or not.  No need anymore.  Television has become Gladys Kravitz for a nation. 

I wonder how I would feel were I on such a plane.  I wonder if I would appreciate my existence (and its possible end) being summed up as a ratings boost for a network and Coliseum-like entertainment for a nation...the fiery film to be replayed constantly until people got so tired of it they ceased watching, so used to it that it didn't affect them anymore.  I know what such an event would mean to my son who would grow up without his dad.  I know what it would mean to my wife, my parents, maybe even my friends and colleagues.  I'm not sure I, or they, would appreciate how that event was used by others who watched, to whom it didn't mean much beyond a vicarious feeling of loss and a "Did you see?!?" story.  Ratings aside, journalism aside, the fact that I, too, watched it aside, I'm not sure those cameras should have been there.

Circling back to our usual topic, there's a parallel here with our basketball stars, I think.  They get paid enormous sums.  Part of that payment comes with the understanding that their lives will be less private than those of ordinary citizens.  I'm not one to baby celebrities of any sort.  They earn money precisely because they are a public sensation.  It's neither logical nor reasonable to take that money and then say, "I hate it when all these people look at me!"  Nevertheless there are certain subjects, certain moments, certain relationships that weigh so much more to the celebrities in question than they do to the general public that I think they approach the airplane analogy.  In other words, despite what's considered "newsworthy" in this day and age I suspect there are some things we just shouldn't know about our players.

I tend to get itchy when a player's family relationships start making news.  This is doubly so when you start talking about children or about divorces.  If a player has a drug habit that he's honestly trying to kick I believe his trip to rehab and recovery should be his and his family's alone without the rest of us butting in.  That's a man's life we're talking about.  It's more important than basketball and certainly more serious than our need to know about it.  To a lesser degree I think a player should be granted a certain amount of leeway in his personal time and habits.  A night at a strip club--even though that's not how I'd spend my time--shouldn't necessarily be reported.  In isolation that's not a weighty matter compared to the others, but when you consider the need for all of us to be human beings with peculiarities and leisure time it actually means a lot.  The meat of the matter isn't strip clubs versus not, it's basic humanity, privacy, and the need to feel like you can do some things without carrying the weight of a city on your shoulders in every moment.   Strip clubs stray towards the fringes but you could also ask whether we need to know what kind of car Jerryd Bayless bought with his first NBA check, what kind of barbeque sauce Brandon Roy shops for, and whether Greg Oden wears boxers or briefs.

There's a line out there somewhere.  I'm not sure I trust that modern journalistic practices have drawn it in the best place.  To me the examples at the beginning of the last paragraph stand pretty clearly beyond it.  It gets fuzzier towards the end of the paragraph.  Somewhere in the middle there comes the point where I'm ready to say, "Enough!"  I don't want to know.  I don't need to know.  Can't we just let this rest with the player and his family...the people to whom it means the most?  There's something in that sentiment that makes me think I wouldn't be a very good journalist.  There's also something inside me insisting that having that sentiment is intrinsic to being a decent human being.  Given the choice (if there is one) I hope I'd value the latter more than the former. 

I think maybe next time I'll just turn the television off and pray the plane gets there safely.  I think I'll also be fairly content thinking Brandon Roy is the best thing since sliced bread unless he does something damaging enough to the community to move me from that stance.  Maybe it's not so good to have that bubble burst by too much familiarity.

Where is this line for you?  What kind of things do you want to know about Blazer players and what things do you think are unnecessary?  Should the cameras be at the runway (so to speak) if one of these guys could be undergoing a personal or family tragedy?  At what point should the coverage stop?

I am curious to hear your thoughts.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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Realtime access, billions of cameras

While our access to voyeurism is unparalled in history, our relationships to our landbase and local community are dying as fast as trees and salmon. The further we move from our animal selves to our techno selves the more unhealthy and dangerous to the Earth we are.

Basketball is an escape for me. The game is beautiful. I LOVE pouring over stats and trade rumors and theorizing about team chemistry and such, but I am glad that PDX beat writers are no longer sitting in strip club parking lots waiting for Zach’s posse to do something weird… because I would read about it, even though I claim I don’t wanna know. A byproduct of media addiction, inherent in our culture I suppose.

by Nathan Jr on Sep 3, 2008 12:22 AM PDT   0 recs

Could be true

Are we like sports franchise owners complaining about huge player salaries while at the same time signing mediocre players to enormous contracts?

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not so much

PA took the risk too many times in the Whitsett era and it cost him a spacecraft. He wants to win. Now he knows that a slow, honest and well-built yacht, is a better trip. Enjoy the ride, we shall. Live long and prosper we will. :)

by Nathan Jr on Sep 4, 2008 12:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the reason I watch an event like that is because I'm scared to fly and I want to see if

the pilot could land my plane safely if I were on it. I’ve seen the same thing before a few years back on CNN and the plane landed just fine and I felt pretty relieved afterwards. Seems like every year before I got on summer vacation there is a Discovery Channel documentary about plane crashes.

I do agree with you about not getting into peoples personal lives. I’ve seen Greg a few times around Portland and it catch’s me off guard. I just don’t even want to talk to him because I figure he gets so sick of people asking him for autographs and asking him how practice is going. I think of how I would want to be left alone if on my time away from my job. Should people just ignore a celebrity? I kind of wonder if they ever feel isolated from the real people of the world. It must seem strange to be in a world where people value only for the work you do on a basketball court more than the person you are off it.

by BRoyInThe4th on Sep 3, 2008 1:12 AM PDT   0 recs

In reverse

Basketball success is the result of certain personality traits. We all have our own ideas of how these traits (or lack thereof) manifest themselves in a player’s personal life. I think much of the entertainment factor comes from validating our own confirmation bias. This is fun until you’re stuck scratching your head when some lazy dufus makes the all-star team or the nice, hard working young man gets cut.

At a deep level, much reality TV, news coverage, etc. exists to validate our own belief system. Technology allows us to push a button and feel smart. For some of us, that’s 620AM, for others, it’s 750AM. There are relatively few of us than want to sift through the messy, irreducable complexities of the middle truth.

At the end of the day, the interest in watching a man put an orange ball through a hole is more about the man than the act.

by Engineering Problem on Sep 3, 2008 1:51 AM PDT   0 recs

It's natural for people to stare at tragedies

Even if it’s not relayed to you by a medium. Drive by any major car crash, and you will see many many people slowing down and gazing to see what happened, even when they are on the other side of the road, often leading to traffic jams or even more crashes. Don’t know if that’s our deeply-engrained instincts to assess if there is still a threat, or a “glad it wasn’t me” feeling, or something else. But people will look, and since the media knows this, instead of showing more “happy news” they will report on all kinds of tragic events: Crashes, bombings, shootings, war, floods,… If it’s live as it happens, even better.

I guess with celebrities in sports, entertainment, politics it’s a similar mechanism. They are often portrayed – and in some cases really start to behave – as if they were superhuman beings. They are modern royalties or religious icons. They are representatives of our dreams, hopes, fears; doing things we couldn’t do. So people also want to see when they fall down from their pedestal and become mere mortals again. We want to see the drug problems, the sex affairs, the crappy reviews and what not just like we wanted to see the glorious moments.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Sep 3, 2008 1:59 AM PDT   0 recs

I think the point Dave is trying to make here is:

They should stop televising Knicks games.

BEdgers

by Sabonis4Ever on Sep 3, 2008 3:13 AM PDT   3 recs

I see what you did there

"Why would we lie to ourselves dude?"
"Be excellent to each other."
"All we are is dust in the wind, dude."
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."

The Wisdom of Bill S Preston Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan

by GreatOden'sRaven on Sep 3, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

This is one of the funniest comments I’ve seen in a long time…

by jamon51 on Sep 3, 2008 9:55 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That's a train wreck, not a plane crash! :)

LMA>LA!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Sep 4, 2008 12:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Correct - that team never got off the ground

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Sep 4, 2008 8:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Partly why I do not watch the news.

That is none of my business to see as it doesn’t affect me. I do not get my kicks from tragedy.

I get extremely tired of how the media exploits peoples misfortunes. Unless that person is George W. Bush.

I cannot stand how much coverage celebrities get for no reason. If they do something that is worthwhile then OK. If a local sports star is getting interviewed then OK. But I don’t care to see how fat Britney is, or how slutty Paris looks.

When will people in this country, or world for that matter, realize what is really important? Things that affect cities, countries, or even communties are important. There are only a few people on this Earth that can do one thing that deserves coverage and I garauntee that they are not celebrities.

bmx

by bmxnw on Sep 3, 2008 7:15 AM PDT   0 recs

This is one of the reasons why

I just couldn’t bring myself to go to Duck’s memorial. I sorta wanted to go….but I questioned my motives about why. I suspected it was to see the guys as much as it was to pay my respects to Kevin and his family. Once I realized this…..I decided that going to something like this …for the entertainment value….was just wrong. Let me be clear….I am not criticizing anyone who chose to go…I just wasn’t comfortable going myself

Styx -"I'm schizophrenic....and so am I"

by 92wastheyear on Sep 3, 2008 8:08 AM PDT   0 recs

The "line" is a relative thing

For the most part, I think players/team should be able to define the parameters of their own privacy. If, say, Trout wants to have Jason Quick down to Mississippi to go fishing, then I’m sure we all appreciate getting to know him a little better. (It may also make us hope he gets traded, but that’s the way it goes.)

But for the most part, it should be the player’s decision. If a players is going through a personal family situation, and doesn’t want to address it in a public forum, then the media and the public should respect that privacy.

The line blurs when we start talking about player “misconduct,” which is difficult to define in and of itself. Sometimes it’s easy – if a player commits a DUI, I say that’s fair game to grill him about. You make $1 million per year, you chose not to get a taxi and potentially risk others’ safety – deal with a few questions about it.

Other times, like with Jordan/Barkley’s gambling issues, I think the line’s difficult to nail down. They’re not REALLY hurting anyone other than themselves by gambling away hundreds of thousands, so why is it a public issue? It may be interesting to us that they have problems, but does the fact that we buy tickets to watch them play basketball (and fund their tremendous salaries) entitle us to hear all about those problems?

I say no. On a smaller scale, does the fact that a customer helps fund your sales/marketing/law/whatever salary give him or her the right to know everything about you? Philosophically, I don’t think it’s much different. It’s one thing for politicians, who are asking us to trust them to run the city/state/country with millions of dollars of our money. But basketball is just business on a larger scale. There’s a lot of money involved, and we may think that entitles us to know everything about the players we support, but I don’t see why it should. They’re entitled to their own lives.

Interesting topic, Dave. Good read. I don’t think you’re going to find stuff like this on other NBA blogs, and I like that about the Edge.

Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Sep 3, 2008 8:11 AM PDT   0 recs

It is simple for me

I am a person that minds his own business….I have enough excitement, problems, and vices in my own life, that keeps me occupied…..Some people have extra time on their hands and may even be bored with their own lives, so they look into others…I guess it’s a personal choice, but you won’t ever cut the media short…not in any free society …..If you tend to mind your own business, then it is easier for you to choose the best options on what you need to know…
   People will always be interested in “News”, but to what extent, or what type of news, will always depend on whether an individual thinks it is worthy of his or her view. With the media as a large part of most people’s lives, it is difficult to turn away when stories are constantly flashed before them….This is why the internet is a good choice for news….because you can pick and choose what you think has worth to you….But there is also a lot more junk to pick through ….

by 67 on Sep 3, 2008 9:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The newspaper is also a good choice for the same reason.

And there isn’t as much junk to pick through, as on the internet. If I tune into a news channel, I am letting others dictate what I watch and hear (over and over and over again) – so I rarely do so. If it’s news worthy, I can read an article about it in the paper the next day … or choose to skip the article if it doesn’t seem worthwhile to me.

I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I

by TwoDeep on Sep 3, 2008 10:50 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

hmmm. I don't have that same problem with the news channel for some reason.

I have this thing called a remote, and when for whatever reason I don’t like what I’m watching, I turn the channel. Works for me.

I don’t mean to be rude, but honestly, if every single media consumer we’re to have their way with what is and isn’t news worthy or objectionable in their opinion, the stories that would be available would be even narrower that they are now, if there was even anything left they could all agree on at all.

know what I mean?

by ***Jason*** on Sep 3, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess I don't know what you mean

We will never have our way with what is aired. We will never change the content of what airs in the news. Someone talks and we choose to listen or not listen…gee, we may not even have a TV or choose not to turn it on.(except when the Blazers play or the Ducks are on)…Still, if we don’t like what we see, we can turn it off….But we can also leave it on…I don’t like the weather forecast some time, but I still watch it, all the way through. It doesn’t mean that it is not a worthy forecast even if I don’t like it. The content will always be there for anyone to choose…just because someone doesn’t deem it worthy, doesn’t mean it is not. So the stories will continue and always have whatever flare necessary to attract viewers.

by 67 on Sep 3, 2008 6:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well... sort of

but actually, in a way, we do control the content of what we watch. It’s a capitolist society where ratings rule and everything is for profit. That’s the point, people watch stuff like that airline incident, so it gets broadcast. If people didn’t watch, it wouldn’t be there.

The issue I have is with people who say they don’t think it should be on, feel wierd watching it, and yet sit and watch the whole thing under their own free will, as if they can’t control themselves, and they think the media maybe should not to broadcast it so they won’t watch it. That’s like someone who’s addicted to cigerrettes wishing they were illegal because they don’t have the strength to quit, but they go to the store every day and buy another pack. I’m not calling you out 67, but it seems like the majority of the people in here feel like things like that airline incident shouldn’t be broadcast, yet dave put a link to the story in his own post. It just seems a little like flawed hypocritical locic to me. What am I missing? If you want to see it, see it… if you don’t, turn it off… no problem…right?

by ***Jason*** on Sep 3, 2008 8:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your not missing anything, except people controlling what gets aired

And thus the content will always be there for anyone who chooses to watch…A vast majority of people will watch a live broadcast of a pending disaster…..Maybe including me, if I had nothing else to do at the time…usually I have something else to do. I didn’t watch this one and I haven’t been inclined to view the tapes…..But….You said it, this is news and it sells, so it will always be there….it’s protected in the Bill of Rights…freedom of the press….It is not controlled by the consumer unless it is put in to law…that is the only thing that can keep this or any other type of news from being aired….And, any American would be foolish to think, that banning certain broadcasts, because it may be objectionable to some(or because they just can’t turn away), is a viable way to honor the values of freedom.

by 67 on Sep 4, 2008 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

o.k... I get you.

I think you and I basically agree, but may be in the minority as people who commented in this post. The one thing I do take exception with is that the consumer’s have no control.

It’s called ‘voting with your feet (or in this case, your remote/wallet)’. Things that don’t get ratings on t.v. or sell newspapers get pulled. Things like this get on t.v. because people eat it up (for whatever reason).

My point is, you can’t sit and watch this stuff as a consumer and participate as part of the ‘evil’ majority who is entertained by this stuff… and then wonder if it’s going too far to broadcast it. The media is a mirror of society. Always has been, and always will be. If there’s a market for it, someone will profit from it. If there’s no market for it… it won’t be there. That’s the difference between our fiscal structure (free enterprise, freedom of the press, capitalism, etc…) and a state owned system like they have in China.

If you think the media is acting inappropriately… remember, you’re looking in the mirror. The media is only publishing what their consumers want.

by ***Jason*** on Sep 4, 2008 10:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your comment precisely covers my feelings on this matter.

Also, I’m just not interested in observing the pain of others. Oh, dear—except for watching the L*kers lose, but I’m trying to be a better person.

by roseburgian on Sep 3, 2008 8:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Addendum to Dave's media coverage....

In addition to your thoughts about the roll of the media Dave, which I wholeheartedly agree with. Do you ever get the impression that they are disappointed when the plane does not crash, or the storm gets downgraded from a 5 to a 1?

2-4 the who

by 24thewho on Sep 3, 2008 9:09 AM PDT   0 recs

A night at a strip club—even though that’s not how I’d spend my time—shouldn’t necessarily be reported. In isolation that’s not a weighty matter compared to the others, but when you consider the need for all of us to be human beings with peculiarities and leisure time it actually means a lot. The meat of the matter isn’t strip clubs versus not, it’s basic humanity, privacy, and the need to feel like you can do some things without carrying the weight of a city on your shoulders in every moment.

Whoa, whoa, whoa… Canzano better strap up, those sound like fighting words. :)

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 3, 2008 9:35 AM PDT   0 recs

its the kinder gentler BLAZER EMPLOYED Canzano now

"Why would we lie to ourselves dude?"
"Be excellent to each other."
"All we are is dust in the wind, dude."
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."

The Wisdom of Bill S Preston Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan

by GreatOden'sRaven on Sep 3, 2008 12:50 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good Question

What point should the coverage stop? Good question. I only know living in Portland Oregon that in relationship to The Blazers, the coverage is going to be microscopic and all encompassing. The Blazers Edge is a symptom. Look what a dedicated fanbase The Blazers have. That’s great when The Rose Garden fills, The team is winning and we have a GM that has evaluated character and culture in the assembly of the team. As we have seen it’s not so great when the team is in a rebuilding cycle, has some troubled players and perhaps a GM that gambled on talent without evaluating character and team culture. The Media is going to be there, it’s unstoppable. It’s going to show us and tell us more than we need to know. We can be idealistic as individuals, create our own personal standards and try to apply them but let’s be honest with ourselves if we see a headline “Blazer arrested” or “Blazer in Strip Club” are we really not going to read it?

The media coverage is an unstoppable entity. So the question where should the coverage stop becomes moot. If someone named Zach Randolph stops at a local adult establishment while on bereavement leave before catching a flight out of Portland, maybe we shouldn’t care, maybe it’s a non-story but it’s going to be reported and we are going to read about it. Something as innocent as Travis Outlaw stating he’d like a bigger role on the team and some more shots get’s reported and evaluated and re-evaluated. Sometime the coverage is ridiculous but we embrace it. It’s like the huge back-up on the freeway with cars inching along for miles and when you reach the source of the slowdown it’s just a fender bender pulled off to the side. But everyone slows down to look, we shouldn’t, we know it’s not good, but we do.

All we have is our personal choice. Read, listen, view, we can make our own personal choices as to where we want our own personal coverage to stop. But we need to be honest with ourselves, it’s hard NOT to embrace the beast. There is interest in disaster, there is entertainment in a train wreck. We have long left the age where public figures can expect or enjoy a certain amount of insulation from coverage. We are going to watch that plane land. If it lands safely, we can all breath a sigh of relief, but we watched and we all know why we did, because we slow down for car wrecks. It’s a marketable aspect of human nature and “News” reporting media knows this.

There is almost nothing sacred, given the scope of outlet that exists. In the past 10 years the only “story” that the major media seemed to back off was when Steve Irwin was tragically killed by the sting-ray. Evidently footage of his death exists. I haven’t gone looking for it, so maybe it is out there, but credit most of the media outlets for NOT seeking it out. Somewhere there is still a line we don’t cross but I’m afraid that line is fading. 2 days from now the plane landed safely won’t be a story, but had it crashed we’d be shown it for weeks, with commentary from “experts” as to what happened, why it happened and what should of happened.

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Sep 3, 2008 9:45 AM PDT   0 recs

Whoa. Hold on a second.

You know what kind of BBQ sauce Brandon buys? And you’ve been holding out on us??

by Timmay! on Sep 3, 2008 9:52 AM PDT   0 recs

LOL...

…brilliant and funny. In a few short sentences you illuminated in a humorous way what I droned on for 4 long paragraphs about. Yep, just let us know what type of BBQ Sauce Brandon buys! Charcoal or Propane…the follow up article….

"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"

by Krang on Sep 3, 2008 10:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If Roy was smart

he’d market his own in town. “B-Roy’s BBQ Sauce: Do Your Pork Chops Like We Do The L*kers”

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 3, 2008 10:31 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

I'd buy it!

great topic and conversation starter.

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on Sep 3, 2008 10:46 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think coverage is one of the reasons

We hold former Blazers in such high regard. Look I know this isnt a popular opinion in these here parts, but I gotta be honest. Some of the stuff that the players get into isnt any different and often not NEARLY as offensive as stuff Blazer players in the past got into. It was a different time. We cared what they did on the court, not so much in their private life. When coverage for the Blazers was 2 reporters total and they were FRIENDS (i know canzano, get livid) with the players, many things went unreported. Even our precious 90s teams had their fair share of issues, but it was swept under the rug because it COULD be. There is no way in this current world of voyeurism that it could happen. I’ve seen 40yr old ex-players at a club taking home 18ish (im not POSITIVE they were that old) girls in the last decade, but because cell phone cameras werent prevalent and no one was blogging about it, it wasnt newsworthy.
This is one of those instances that reminds me of Klosterman and others (Dave youre in here too) discussing the rosy colored lenses we look back on. The good old days. At the time, they werent that good, we just didnt know any better, and it seems like things are worse now. In 15 years we will look fondly back on this time, even though it isnt that great now.
Unfortunately society has been conditioned to be blind to the line, and we cross it everyday. I know I’m guilty. Privacy died some time ago, and it is sorely missed.

"Why would we lie to ourselves dude?"
"Be excellent to each other."
"All we are is dust in the wind, dude."
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."

The Wisdom of Bill S Preston Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan

by GreatOden'sRaven on Sep 3, 2008 12:59 PM PDT   0 recs

Rose-colored glasses

can be valuable. We know they’re not the entire truth, but if we don’t have them what do we have to aspire to?

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 3, 2008 1:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have no qualms about them, love them

Just think that todays athletes get held to higher standard than their predecessors because of media coverage. Although in some cases, Pacman I’m looking in your general direction, players can just be bad people, I think the majority do what others have always done, its just that we know all about it.

"Why would we lie to ourselves dude?"
"Be excellent to each other."
"All we are is dust in the wind, dude."
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."

The Wisdom of Bill S Preston Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan

by GreatOden'sRaven on Sep 3, 2008 1:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course it should be on the news… IT’S NEWS!!! If people didn’t want to see it, it wouldn’t be on. This is a capitolist society where just about anything and everything that people want to see is published. All moral judgement aside, you have the right to turn the channel, but at least you have the option to watch it if you want to… and apparently you did. Why would you want to give that personal decision up to someone else because you can’t control yourself? That should be your own personal decision, but noone should make it for anyone else <—- (that statement obviously doesn’t include children who’s decision is rightly made by their parents). Sensorship of any kind is dangerous. Countries with state owned media outlets have massive control over their populations by using censorship and propaganda. I love the USA.

by ***Jason*** on Sep 3, 2008 2:14 PM PDT   0 recs

Well

Just because people want to see it doesnt mean it should be shown. It depends on where you fall in the privacy argument. If you believe that if someone wants to see something they should, then thats an argument you can take, but some of us believe that even celebrities have parts of their lives that aren’t for public consumption. You don’t need to know what goes on inside peoples homes. Thats not part of the deal. At least for most people

"Why would we lie to ourselves dude?"
"Be excellent to each other."
"All we are is dust in the wind, dude."
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."

The Wisdom of Bill S Preston Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan

by GreatOden'sRaven on Sep 3, 2008 2:49 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

let freedom rule.

This specific case about the airline incident is a weird dynamic though. One the one hand, Dave is saying he’s having a moral delima with whether or not it should be on, and he should be watching it (if I’m reading correctly). One the other hand, he admits that he sat and watched the whole thing.

All I’m saying is… have some self control… and control yourself. If you’re uncomfortable and struggling with it… don’t watch. Why should that decision you make in your own life have to be projected onto every one else?

What do any of us have to gain by giving up personal freedoms?

by ***Jason*** on Sep 3, 2008 3:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

incidentally

celebrities, and everybody else do have legal protection of their privacy for what goes on inside their own homes, and on their own property. That’s not part of the deal for anybody.

by ***Jason*** on Sep 3, 2008 3:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Airplane

I wouldn’t watch it ; I couldn’t. I don’t want to watch people die even if I don’t actually see THEM. It’s one of my recurring dreams … I am watching an airplane go down, but at the moment before impact I turn away. It’s not a fear of flying either, I’ve never hesitated to get on an airplane.

I doubt that the people on the plane are thinking about the whole world watching them. They are busy with their own prayers or whatever they might do when faced with death.

As far as showing the plane on the news … maybe run the tape after it lands safely (but what interest would there be then???) but not live. What if you knew someone on the plane? A loved one? Would you really want to watch then – to imagine the terror your father or son might be experiencing? Would you really want to watch? And would you want the rest of the world watching impersonally half hoping that it will crash so they can say “I saw it live?”

by jorga on Sep 3, 2008 5:59 PM PDT   0 recs

I always ask myself if it's the kind of content that's supposed to distract you

from the real news. People are so easily distracted from the scary things that truly matter.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Sep 3, 2008 10:21 PM PDT   0 recs

There is a simple rule to follow:

Cover all that affects the player’s play on the court, the team’s play on the court and the fan’s support of the team on the court. Otherwise butt out.

The culture thing has been shown to be critical to the play of the team on the court so shifts in the culture need to be reported. A single speeding ticket does not show a shift in the culture and is a private matter.

Of course the media determinative is always: FIRST

Regarding what we watch, we are blessed with a huge wealth of options. Instant ratings are generated by cable and satellite providers so vote your likes and dislikes by changing channels. The media are always driven by ratings over time, as that determines their livelihood. I find that news is best distilled for me by reading on the internet. Nearly always there is video of important events and my need to know this instant is subjugated by my desire to encompass a wider range of events and trends. What I mean is I skim over the sensational and read the substantive. I am thankful we have the choices and I do not want to deny a different choice for you than I may make.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Sep 4, 2008 9:00 PM PDT   0 recs

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