Sergio and Portland. A look from Spain.
Some Bedgers have asked me about how the Spanish people see Sergio´s situation in Portland. I´ve found a recent (9-20-08) post by the Spanish bloger Juanma Rubio that I think might clarify this subject. There´s the link on his name and following the amlmart1 translation of the most interesting parts IMO.
Portland, the team in everyone´s lips.
If we want to go in depth into the difficulties that Sergio is going to meet in his third season in the NBA, it is necessary to analyze the absolutely exciting role that it is attributed to Portland for this new season. Almost without discussion, the Trail Blazers is one of the teams whom the whole world wants to see playing. A young and full of talent franchise, which goes several years succeeding in the tasks of reconstruction (Kevin Pritchard's excellent work) and which is considered a playoff team already and aspirant to medium-term ring. The playoffs look like a real goal for the new season, considering that last year, having Oden's injured, they signed a balanced 41-41 in a West harder than ever. And now a step back is expected from some teams, opening a gap for Portland, which didn´t envisioned such a bright future from the times of the JailBlazers and even then. The Jailblazers are once for all ended with Darius Miles's departure and now Portland presents a young and irreproachable group, obliged to start people talking.The Blazers have also options for SF, with Martell Webster also in progression and improving his shot (he will start the season in the first unit), and the power of Travis Outlaw, who can play PF too and might be the starter at the end of the season. Quality is not absent either in the backcourt, rather the opposite; Brandon Roy is, in my opinion, one of the great players in the league (and he will be much better). Not a friend of gratuitous showiness, his game is a lesson of intelligence and elegance on the track. One out this World that already has played minutes as PG in which role he will harm Sergio´s playing time but will benefit Rudy Fernandez, who has raised the expectations in The United States after his performance in the past Olympic Games. For the PG position they have Steve Blake, a good player and a PG of McMillan's liking, but Jarrett Jack's departure (theoretically beneficial for Sergio) coincides with the arrival of a hurricane named Jerryd Bayless. The number 11 of the draft (many expected a higher position) is pure ambition and a real physical talent with excellent scoring abilities. He has been MVP in Summer League and is an explosive player who is earning McMillan's confidence. In Portland they are not few ones who ask already for him as the starter PG, though he is more a scorer than a distributor. It, nevertheless, can turn him into a good pair for Roy, alternating both their theoretical roles. And Sergio Rodríguez …
Nate McMillan has been able to direct the transformation with firm hand and successfully, and with a style of play that I like. Because McMillan looks to me like a good trainer and a guy with clear ideas and a concept in which till now Sergio Rodríguez has not entered. Because of it, many people have spoken from Spain against him. But sincerely it does not seem fair to me. From my point of view, for example, Sam Mitchell is a bad trainer (in spite of having a Trainer's title of the Year). He´s in charge of the Toronto´s setback in the past season, among other things as his terrible management of the situation between Calderon and TJ Ford. On the contrary, McMillan looks like a good coach, though certainly I would like that he had given more opportunities to Sergio.
The Blazers´ potential scares. The roster is balanced and insultingly young (I don´t know if you use this expression, meaning incredibly young), with one of the most promising inside games of the league: LaMarcus Aldridge (a player I like a lot and who is always improving) and Greg Oden, who didn´t make his debut last season and is expected to be a totally dominant center. If both Oden and Bynum evolve as expected, their duels in the West can be memorable. In addition, they have in the paint the effort of Przybilla and the quality of Frye, another player who is in progression. He did not start well in Portland after his arrival from the Knicks, but he improved in the last part of the season, demonstrating part of the great things that he can reach.
A season for fighting against everything.
So the year appears to be very difficult for Sergio, who has to work more than ever for a spot that just now seems he does not have in the team, and that will lose definitively if the season begins well for the Blazers without him in the regular roster. Everything seems to go against him. Bayless can be a sensation but also he can be much less, at least in his rookie year. But by now he´s more appreciated among the technical staff and the fans and just now Blake will be the starter and Bayless the second unit PG. In addition, I insist, it is necessary to think that Roy might increase his minutes as playmaker, depending on the Rudy and Webster´s performance.
Meanwhile, Sergio has defensive problems, a spectacular but erratic sense of the direction, inconsistency and a very poor aptitude shooting from distance. It is true that his defense is not good and that in his few minutes in court he has alternated geniuses with erroneous decisions. McMillan hasn´t more players with Sergio's vision for the game, but the Spanish player is in a vicious and very destructive circle, since his confidence decreases as his coach withdraws it of him and his game becomes driven mad as he tries to demonstrate too many things in the few minutes he has. A PG of his characteristics needs precisely what he does not have: minutes, confidence, safety and integration in the game to know the routines of his teammates. And it is true also that his shot percentage from distance is deficient, which reduces his value for a style of game in which the shooters will get many opportunities because of the power of the team in the zone. With James Jones in Miami, Blake will be more important in this function. The statistics of the past season show that Blake missed 20 % of his open shots. Sergio missed 40 %.
At this point, Sergio has passed in the bench two very important years for his development as player and is not more, for good or for bad, a promise. He must recover himself of a bad season and of his absence at the Olympic Games and turn these blows into motivations. He knows that has to work from the first day harder than ever, and probably because of it the trainer of shot of the Blazers, John Townsend, went to the Canaries this summer to work with Sergio, trying to improve his shot, giving more arch and more efficiency. The problem is that, even with all these efforts, it is probable that he won´t have many opportunities and that he is already out of the mental schemes of a McMillan who has never had that special appreciation for Sergio's game (not like Pritchard that way). Now in Portland they speak even more of Petteri Koponen's progression, whereas the new Spanish pearls at which the whole world points in the NBA are Rudy, Marc and Ricky Rubio, whom they are waiting open arms in America. The Blazers are considering even contract Shaun Livingston, the promising PG whose path has met frozen by a terrible knee´s injury. In face of all these circumstances, it is possible that Sergio should look for a trade to have minutes in the NBA, or for his return to Europe, where also he would have to fight to recover the lost time. Sincerely, I do not know what option is better for him. I do not know if he can develop his evident potential and if he can become an important player (or at least with real participation in a team) in the NBA. Just now it is difficult to know it. Two years ago, my response had been affirmative and two months ago denial because I saw him doomed to return. And this also is clear, it doesn´t suppose neither a step backwards nor a surrender in his career, but looking for what is better for him. In any case, the margin of wait is ending and along this season we will go out of doubts. Now many people in Portland see Sergio as meat of transfer, the most critical as simple translator and guide for Rudy in his first season in Oregon. I have lost faith, but I continue thinking that still there is very much player of basketball inside Sergio Rodríguez. Surely not in Portland, I do not know if in The United States. Hope I´ll be wrong but, in any case, we will have answers soon.
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good stuff, as usual
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
Instead of "abusively young"
try “absurdly young” or “insultingly young”. Is that really colloquial Spanish? The grammar looks very much like English to me with mostly Spanish words. Great translation, thanks for the look at how Spain views the Sergio situation.
Oh yeah, first.
I got 1st... haha
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
by johnv59 on Sep 28, 2008 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
A good translation would be "shockingly young."
………………….. Idiomatic expressions like that need to be converted into something similar, rather than translated word-for-word.
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thank you for posting this
this is a very interesting take on Sergio’s current situation in Portland. It is sad because obviously people in Spain see potential in Sergio that has not transfered into his game here. Lack of minutes may be the problem, but even so, why waste the minutes on Sergio when he has not shown us anything impressive? I wish him luck wherever he ends up, hopefully he can stay in the NBA.
When asked about his thoughts during the Olympic games about playing against Kobe Bryant and Dwight Howard, Rudy responded "My first thought was respect. My second thought was to kick their ass".
Man I love him.
Thanks dude.
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Thank you, amlmart1
Thanks for keeping us updated. My reading of his comments is that it’s pretty close to the view that many of us would agree with.
Jaunma Rubio seems to know an immpressive amount about the Blazers and the NBA.
By any chance is Jaunma related to Ricky?
Rubio is a common name in Spain. I don´t think he is related to Ricky but can´t say he´s not.
The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.
Why are so many Spaniards named Rubio
when so few Spaniards are rubio?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
It seems that the name "Rubio" has its origin in a nickname, probably because of the color of the hair of a guy in the 10th century ("rubeus" is red in latin).
Perhaps the guy had a lot of children, who knows now.
I went to the school with a Rubio who was moreno and with a Moreno who was rubio. These things happen.
The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.
Same situation here
We have whites and blacks named White and Black and Whitehead and Blackhead. Also Brown.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
So what do you do with Hubbie Brown, whose hair is white?
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Sep 28, 2008 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Fire him?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2008 2:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Rename him Green.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
I like fire. +1
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Sep 29, 2008 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Me too!!
As I was reading the blog entry, that’s what I was thinking too — what an accurate, pleasant description of the Roybot. “Poco amigo de la espectacularidad gratuita, su juego es una lección de inteligencia y elegancia sobre la pista.” Now that’s a well-spoken (written?)Blazers fan. Thanks a lot for this, amlmart, this was a hugely substantial amount to translate.
by BlazersOrBust on Sep 28, 2008 3:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Same here...a really quotable quote
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Sep 28, 2008 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Thanks friend
My favorite line was “a hurricane named Jerryd Bayless.”
I’m impressed with how much Juanma Rubio knows about the Blazers — much more than some U.S. journalists, for sure.
Love your last sentence, Corvid
Jaunma Rubio sure seems to know “much more than some US journalists.”
Hmm .. it might be fun to ask him to do a preseason ranking. Dave or Ben, since Jaunma is apparently a blogger, might it be possible to ask him to do something like a Question & Answer, or maybe a guest post?
me too...
Hurricane Jerryd…sounds real good, maybe a nickname – “the hurricane”
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
Run Sergio, he's looking for meat of transfer!
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Sep 28, 2008 6:48 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
haha, +1
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Sep 28, 2008 7:26 PM PDT up reply actions
"Meat of transfer" comes from the Spanish expression "carne de cañón", literally "meat of cannon" or maybe "cannon meat".
I think you say cannon fodder.
The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.
Yes, cannon fodder
Means you have no hope, you are done. But perhaps in this context, “transfer bait” is what he meant.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
"Trade bait" is how I would translate that...
………………………………………. He’d be “cannon fodder” if he were a newly-signed free agent wideout for the Seahawks!
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Stop Americanizing everything amlmart says.
I like meat of transfer. It makes me feel hungry. Let’s go to Cattlemen’s for dinner.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Who knows what I'll drop on you the next time.
The possibilities are endless ;-)
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I wait with meated breath!
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by MiledAnimal on Sep 29, 2008 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
"Transfer bait"
is better than “trade bait” because he’s European. They always talk about transfers rather than trades on this side of the pond.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Yeah, we don´t like to talk about trading with humans ;-)
The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.
And "meat of transfer" is nicer?
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Yeah, if we're talking about a nice, juicy T-bone steak...
Otherwise, I’d rather Transfer Affection than meat.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Huh? Ya lost me
Not that that’s hard to do…
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Transfers are a bit different
A transfer is really the sale of a contract, rather than a barter exchange of them. In each cases, there is a “transfer” of a player, but over here, you could say that two “transfers” make a “trade”.
Between the lines, the post indicates that not many people in Spain share that view
The author seems very knowledgeable of the situation in Portland, realistically assessing Sergio’s chances and why the coach doesn’t play him that much. But it reads like a lot of people in Spain don’t share that view. They feel like Sergio is so talented he should play more, and especially blame coach McMillan for this.
Is that impression correct, that a lot of people don’t understand why Sergio doesn’t play more and is not yet considered a rising star in the US which he was voted to be in the ACB? Did Sergio foster that opinion in Spain by complaining about not playing enough (I don’t think so, and it would have to be much stronger than in his last interviews)?
St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind. Jerryd Bayless—leaps over a kite string, and keeps going.
We also have a good amount of people who think all Spanish product has to be better because it´s Spanish, if you know what I mean.
It´s something out of Sergio´s influence or control. Trying so sell more newspapers the Spanish media uses the nationalist bias of the people. They can get their attention provoking their emotions.
The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.
Thanks, that's what I expected
I slant my eyes before your wisdom.
St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind. Jerryd Bayless—leaps over a kite string, and keeps going.
I see what you did there
Jose Calderon will apologize to you, if only you email him
"Why would we lie to ourselves dude?"
"Be excellent to each other."
"All we are is dust in the wind, dude."
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."
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by GreatOden'sRaven on Oct 1, 2008 6:15 PM PDT up reply actions
This isn't just Spanish
Most countries are like that to an extent.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
I tend to agree.
The problem of Sergio is that he didn’t plan his start in the NBA smartly. He should have been more patient and smarter.
Last two years I was one of the manipulated spanish citizens by the spanish media but after what Rudy, Marc Gasol and Calderon showed us my conclussion is that Sergio was too fast into the NBA. I think he was very bad advised and my fear is that it is too late to him. His only way is back to Europe. He is a heck of a player but it is not enough to success in NBA. Anyway if he comes back to Spain we will enjoy him. He has place in ACB as he has done before.
Sergio will return to Spain...
……………………. He does need to play to get better. I’m not sure his style is suited to the NBA game though, outside of a couple of the more free-running teams. The NBA game seems to be based on a half-court offense and counterpunching off an opponents makes and misses. Rudy is more of a high-risk-high-reward, dribble the ball around and make something happen sort of guy. Which doesn’t translate well…
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
amlmart1: Just to mention something that is hopefully obvious
As we point out parts of the translation that sound a little “funny” to us, I hope you can tell that we mean it with good will. We love your reports and don’t want them to stop. Please keep them coming.
Actually some phrases that sound funny to our ears are delightful and even good for us. They keep “us on our toes” (to use another English colloquialism) and give us a fresh perspective on language.
Thanks for your comment.
As I explained time ago, I´ll try to keep my Spanish touch even if I learn to write as a English professor at Oxford ;-)
The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.
Amen
You can take a Spaniard out of Spain, but you can’t take the Spain out of the Spaniard.
He who laughs last thinks slowest.
by prezofdeath on Sep 28, 2008 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions
Often the best translations
are a collaboration between two people, one a native speaker of the target language, the other a native speaker of the source language.
It would be crazy to expect a non-native speaker of English to translate something into really high-quality English. Alfredo could do a top-notch translation of English into Spanish, because he obviously knows enough English to be able to get the meaning, but to go the other way is almost impossible until you are extremely fluent.
And you are correct, that phrases that sound funny to our ears are delightful and good for us. Every language gets “tired” as people use the same old expressions over and over again. Some of Dave’s silly similes are his most popular lines simply because they express things in a fresh way, which stimulates thought as well as being entertaining.
We are all ultimately lazy, yet almost all of us like a challenge as well. So we like the old familiar expressions, and also the phrases that challenge our thinking because of a new way of expressing things. Strange paradoxes, are humans.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Yes, final translations are usually best by a native speaker...
………………………………. There are tons of little idiomatic expressions and word order often gets flipped in subtle ways.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
LOL
Timbo just agreed with me again. Bet that hurts.
Probably didn’t notice who it was before he replied.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
I agree with you all the time, Scot...
…………………………. You do say I’m always wrong, after all, and we all know that you are always wrong. So we MUST agree.
QED.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
by timbo on Sep 29, 2008 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
by jscot on Sep 29, 2008 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think this qualifies as a 'room'
So “Get ANOTHER room!!”
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by TheThinWhiteDuke on Sep 29, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Sergio is still an import part of the team ...
However, unfortunately for him, his role looks likely to be as a spot player (insurance) in the case of injuries. If Sergio doesn’t do much this year, then I think that Petteri has a good chance of taking over his roster spot next year. That’s unfortunately the way it goes in sports …
Phil
Petteri didn't really kill it in summer league and the EuroBasket qualifier
In fact, his three point shooting was off all summer and fall, he turned the ball over about as many times as he made assists (at least in the Eurobasket he went 23/23), and against Bulgaria he got badly beaten by an undrafted player. But unlike Sergio he has the chance to develop through playing time, so in a year or rather in two when the contracts of Blake and Sergio will be up even when the Blazers draw the team options on both he could be ready.
St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind. Jerryd Bayless—leaps over a kite string, and keeps going.
I ain't the biggest Sergio fan
But moving him in favor of Petteri would be silly to me, since Sergio has played better and still has a lot of potential.
Petteri got the “new exotic guy we haven’t seen enough to know he sucks” bump, and outside of one game played pretty so-so in summer league, and like you say he didn’t really show much in the Eurobasket stuff. I’m very glad we didn’t bring him over, because he’d just be another distraction that ain’t worth all of the attention.
Petteri might be good, but from what I’ve seen thus far, he has a long way to go and I know Sergio is at least a NBA backup eventually. I dunno that about Petteri. The best thing going for him is his size, and the fact that he is Finnish, which makes him stand out in the sea of young raw PGs.
Like you say, Petteri might become better than Sergio because he’ll get playing time. I wish the D-League wasn’t only for 1st and 2nd year players…
When we do move Sergio, I hope it is to a place that can play him.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Sep 28, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Does that say more about Sergio and Petteri
or the teams on which they played?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Basketball is a team sport...
………………………… Spain is not Finland.
Sergio is not Pete.
Does not compute.
I’ll say this: NEITHER of those two is ready to lead an NBA team. Both are, more or less, POTENTIAL NBA players. We’re pretty close to knowing Rudy’s skill set. Pete is younger and more of a mystery…
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
In other words, you are saying that Sergio is better than Petteri.
Maybe. I’d prefer to say each has different strengths and weaknesses.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
I'd so there's no "maybe" about it
If we’re talking about who is better, Sergio is on the roster, Petteri is in Europe.
If we’re talking about who is going to be better, they are both still very young, both with a lot of talent, both with a lot of weaknesses in their game. The one who best develops his areas of strength and improves his areas of weakness will be better (how is that for a profound statement). Anyone who thinks he knows for sure which one will do that is wrong — there is no way to tell for certain with such young players.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Valid point, but Sergio's game
is flashier than Petteri’s and he was making the kind of stir three years ago that Ricky Rubio is making now, if I’m not mistaken. The Blazers took a flyer on this kid only because Paul Allen was intrigued. Sergio’s got some Steve Nash in him. Petteri’s more like Steve Blake. No one is likely to take a flyer on Petteri because of his potential. He’ll have to simply become a great all-around point guard who plays to his full potential.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Sep 29, 2008 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes.
you can say “each has different strengths and weaknesses.” and I agree but Sergios strengths are stronger than Petteri strenghs and Sergios weaknesses are smaller than Petteri weaknesses.
But Sergio's realisticallty possible upside is much smaller than Petteri's potential upside...
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
I wonder how that will translate in Spanish...
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Sep 30, 2008 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions
In spanish what timbo posted would be...
“Pero Petteri tiene mucho mas potencial de mejora que la que tiene realmente Sergio”
by cbp on Oct 1, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Phrases like "que la que"
were always tough for me in Spanish class.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
yes i can understand you very well.
This is a very good example as the construction of sentences in spanish could be very very different than in english.
If you check how you build the sentence in english and how I build the sentence in spanish you can realize that whenever you find “que la que” in spanish you should build the sentence in english the different way than spanish.
I found it very difficult too because in spanish we use a subjuntive which you don’t have in english. Thesubjuntive in spanish usually starts with “que”.
by cbp on Oct 1, 2008 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
that Sergio’s strengths are stronger. Not so sure about the weaknesses, Sergio is a pretty pathetic defender and outside shooter.
Sergio has a couple years head start on Petteri, he should be better right now.
The other question, from a Portland perspective, is which strengths fit better with our team and which weaknesses are less damaging for our team. That is the factor that makes me think Petteri is more likely to have a future with Portland than Sergio. That and the fact that Petteri may be coming into his prime about the time that Blake is starting to slow down.
Sergio should be in his prime earlier than that.
I see Bayless and Blake as our main PGs for the next five years. Then, as Blake starts to decline, we could see Petteri come in. But by then, Sergio will have found a career elsewhere, I think, because I don’t see him cracking the top two for us. He might start this year ahead of Bayless, but I doubt it, and doubt even more that he will stay ahead of Jerryd.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
I have read a lot of times in BE how awful is Sergio's defend and outside shooter.
I just want to add a rider related to his outside shoothing. IMHO his outside shooting is much etter than he has showed these last two seasons. The reason of his poor outside shooting is because of he has not confidence in his shooting. Why?. IMO there are two reasons there is no way to play and shoot consistently playing 3-4 minutes each time he is on court and he feels the lack of confidence from his coach.
by cbp on Oct 1, 2008 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Certainly possible
He came too soon….
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
The criticism I've read of his shot
is that it is too flat. That’s a technique issue, not a confidence issue.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
yes the technique says you should draw an arch but I have seen lot of great shooters in Spain with very flat shoot
you don’t know but in Spain there were a player caled Biriukov (he was born in URSS but his mother were spanish in the mid eighties who was a great three pointer and you can’t believe how flat his shoot was.
by cbp on Oct 1, 2008 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Drexler's shot was very flat
Three factors:
1. A shot with more arc is less likely to be blocked.
2. A flat shot that deviates from the target by an inch will hit rim. A shot with more arc that deviates from the center of the basket by an inch will hit nothing but net. So if you are completely accurate in your shot it won’t matter, but if you are off just slightly, you’ve got a better chance of scoring if it has more arc.
3. A flat shot that hits the rim is more likely to bounce away from the basket. An arcing shot that hits the rim has a better chance of bouncing upward — and upward bounces sometimes come back down and in.
It’s all percentages. All other things being equal, a higher percentage of arcing shots will go in. But the player who practices until he is very accurate can be a very good shooter even if his shot is flat.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Some great NBA players have ugly shots / shooting motions
Shawn Marion, Leandro Barbosa, Peja Stojakovich, Kevin Martin come to mind. But they are very consistent with what they do, enabling them to be good to great outside shooters. Repetition is everything. Peja and Marion are big enough to not get blocked often, Martin gets decent elevation. But a good shooting form is preferable, especially for a player who doesn’t get that many shots. Little things matter in increasing the arc, e.g. raising your elbow to eye level.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
If it goes in
It works. If it goes in consistently, anyways.
Sergio’s shot was/is broke, and being flat can’t help since it was pretty inaccurate. He needed all the help he could get, so even though some can get away with a flat shot (Drexler, Sabonis, the Euro mentioned above I didn’t know by CPB), if you ain’t making it and your shot is flat, then it isn’t acceptable.
You think Peja has ugly form/motion? I like his shot. He jumps up, shoots quick. Are ya confusing him with someone else?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKzUb4ysjo0
Some dudes are good enough to get away with bad mechanics, but if it ain’t going in ya gotta start over and shoot it “correctly”.
Mortimer
If you look closely, he is known for flinging his shots
That’s not textbook at all. He said in interviews he acquired that motion when he was a little kid because he couldn’t get it up to the basket otherwise, or his sister would block him :)
Don’t get me wrong, he is one of the best shooting big guys in the league, and all of the players I mentioned are really good shooters with their respective unique style.
We're young in age, but deep in experience - Brandon Roy.
The ugliest shot all of time is from Shawn Marion.
Larry Bird shot was ugly too but very effective and accurate. MJ delicous!!!
by cbp on Oct 2, 2008 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Clyde
Asst coach Jack Schalow used to complain about the ’90-92 Blazers “burping up” jumpers early in the shot clock
Drexler in particular would take those flat shots from the wing/corner, the ball would clang off the rim and become the first pass of the opponent’s fast break…I remember thinking “that’s virtually the same as a turnover” when watching these attempts go awry
In Sergio's last season in the ACB league
He shot 28.2% from the shorter international 3-point line. Sergio has always been a poor outside shooter, it’s not just something caused by lack of playing time.
Sergio's stregnths are stronger than Petteri's
But I think that Sergio’s weaknesses are weaker than Petteri’s as well. Petteri seems to me like he is the type of player who will be close to average at everything.
Citizenship is indeed a word.
I think this line is, “Petteri wouldn’t make the Spanish national team in his lifetime.”
(I hope you’re as friendly to English suggestions as amlmart)
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Sep 29, 2008 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Of course I am but I am not so hard working as AmImart1 is at least here in Blazersedge. I've got enough when typing emils to my colleagues at work.
A lot of times I’m not sure if I am using the right word but I feel lazy to check it. If you do that work for me is fantastic as this way my learning is more solid. For example I know for the rest of my life the word “citizenship” exists thanks to you rockingharder
Working for you
A lot of times I’m not sure if I am using the right word, but I feel too lazy to check it. If you do that work for me, it is fantastic, as that helps me to learn better (or, “as that makes my education more solid”). For example, I know for the rest of my life that the word "citizenship" exists, thanks to you, rockingharder.
Note that I added several commas, which verbally would be a slight pause to set off those words, as indicating a clarifying insertion, or the beginning of a new thought.
Mostly you’ve used the right words here, except for “my learning is more solid”, which isn’t really the way we would express it in English, and left me unsure whether by “learning” you meant the process of learning (“helps me to learn better”) or whether you meant the result of the learning (“makes my education more solid”).
Perhaps in Spanish the two (process and result) merge in a single word for learning, but in English there is usually a distinction, and it wasn’t clear what you meant. “Learning” can mean either process or result, but the surrounding context will generally distinguish between them. Most often, it refers to the process.
Hope that’s a little bit helpful. By the time you’ve been here long, you’ll be dishing out English grammar lessons to your work colleagues.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
thank you Jscot
It is funny the process and the result distinction in english. I meant both although what it mattered is the result. In spanish we don’t have this distinction.
This explanation was never told me by my english teachers.
Just another question if you don’t mind. Why are you using “by the time you’ve….” instead of “when you’ve been….”?
by cbp on Oct 1, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Either works
They basically mean the same. There might be a slight difference in connotation, in that “when” could mean that it will happen at a certain point in time, while “by the time” has a little more emphasis on the time involved to get to that point in time.
That’s confusing. Let me try again. Suppose the time in question is six months from now. “When” just means the six months have passed, whereas “by the time” may have a little bit more the idea that you’ve actually spent the six months here reading, writing, learning. Sort of the process vs. result thing again, “when” is the result of the time having passed, “by the time” conveys a little more the process of it passing.
It’s really a very minor difference, though. Both combine process and result, while to me, “by the time” emphasizes process a little more. They could be used interchangeably, and probably most people would see no difference between them.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
thank you. I can understand your explanations but it would be so hard to me to identify, while I am speaking, the concept of process vs result. I'll try anyway.
if you need some spanish lesons just ask….
by cbp on Oct 1, 2008 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Como se dice..
RUDY RUDY RUDY!
hehe
"Why would we lie to ourselves dude?"
"Be excellent to each other."
"All we are is dust in the wind, dude."
"Strange things are afoot at the Circle K."
The Wisdom of Bill S Preston Esquire and Ted Theodore Logan
by GreatOden'sRaven on Oct 1, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions
It's not something you think about when speaking
It just becomes habit to know when to use which words. When you asked me why I used those words, I had to stop and think about it.
Understanding the “why” helps our learning process, but the time will come when you won’t think about the “why”, you will just know which word to use, because you’ve used it or heard it enough times.
Unfortunately, about the only Spanish I know is “amigo”. My education is sorely lacking. But at least the word I know is a good one.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
you are absolutely right my friend.
When I was reading you I recalled that sometimes I am speaking or writting and some sentences comes to me naturally and you don’t know why you have said or written that way. It must be because you listened or read a lot of times.
by cbp on Oct 2, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Petteri was MVP in Finland - that is something
Sergio was the backup PG on a World Championship team.
I don’t think anyone can tell which one is going to be better, but I don’t think you can tell much from Sergio’s role with Spain. National teams always love to pull in a couple of the young rising starts. Sometimes, they really turn out to be stars and other times they have already peaked.
I’m hoping that Sergio will get a little time on the floor with Oden and find some pick-and-roll chemistry. He showed some real potential with that two years ago. If he can’t make that happen, I can’t see where he is going to prove his worth enough to stick around.
As much as I like Petteri, I give nothing on winning MVP in Finland
If he wins a team title or individual honors in Italy a la Ginobili, that’s impressive. The Finnish league is nothing big in Europe.
Odenied: If you're given lemmings—make lemming-ade (Bow4Meow)
I was MVP in my neighbour tourney- that is something......
I’m just trying to say Filand competition is rubish as my neighbour tourney.
by cbp on Oct 5, 2008 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
"import" yes -- "important" not so much...
"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."
LOL
That’s obnoxious, timbo, I’m impressed.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Rubio's comments were so on the mark!
He is obviously very knowledgeable and tuned into what is happening in Portland.
Spectacular post amlmart...
One of your best ever in my opinion. I thought your translation was astounding, you have really picked up the English language and could probably teach me a thing or two at this point. That was a great read and Rubio absolutely nailed it, he explained the way I feel about Sergio better than anything I have ever read. Thanks a ton for sharing! You da man!!!!
RUDY > MJ
Here's an Americanization of Amimart's nice translation... (Hopefully of some use)
Portland, the team in everyone´s lips.
If one wishes to explore in depth into the difficulties that Sergio will be facing in his third season in the NBA, it is first necessary to analyze the absolutely exciting prospects anticipated for Portland in the coming season. Almost unanimously, the Trail Blazers are one of the teams that the whole world wants to see playing. It is a young and talent-laden franchise, painstakingly reconstructed over several years through Kevin Pritchard’s excellent work and is considered a playoff team already and to be competitive for a championship in the mid-term. The playoffs look like a real goal for the coming season, given that last year, with Oden injured, they finished an even 41-41 in the extremely difficult Western Conference.
This year, a step back is expected from some teams, creating an opening for Portland, which in its past “Jail Blazer” days held no such bright prospects. But the “Jail Blazers” period has been deemed ended once and for all with Darius Miles’s departure and now Portland is represented by a young and squeaky-clean group — and people have started talking.
The Blazers have competition at the SF position, with Martell Webster developing and improving his shot (projected to start the season in the first unit), as well as the power of Travis Outlaw, who can additionally play PF t and could wind up the starter at the end of the season.
Quality is not absent either in the backcourt, rather the opposite; Brandon Roy is, in my opinion, one of the great players in the league (and he will be much better). No friend of gratuitous showiness, Roy’s game is an example of intelligence and elegance on the court. Roy has already has played minutes as PG, a fact which will harm Sergio´s playing time but will benefit Rudy Fernandez, who has raised expectations in the US with his performance in the past Olympics. At the PG position they have Steve Blake, a good player and a PG of McMillan’s liking. Jarrett Jack’s departure, theoretically beneficial for Sergio, coincides with the arrival of a hurricane named Jerryd Bayless. This number 11 of the NBA draft, whom many expected to go at a higher position, is pure ambition and a real physical talent with excellent scoring abilities. Bayless was the MVP in Summer League and is an explosive player who is earning McMillan’s confidence. In Portland many are already calling for him to start at PG, despite the fact that he is more a scorer than a distributor. Nevertheless, it seems this might make him into a good match for Roy, with the two alternating the theoretical roles of PG and SG.
As for Sergio Rodríguez …
Nate McMillan has been able to direct the successful transformation of the team with a firm hand, employing a style of play that I like. McMillan looks to me like a good teacher and a guy with clear ideas and a concept — into which till now Sergio Rodríguez has not entered. Because of this, many people have spoken from Spain against McMillan. But this honestly does not seem fair to me. For example, from my perspective, Sam Mitchell is a bad coach (in spite of having been a Coach of the Year). Mitchell was in charge of the Toronto´s setback in the past season, and his management of the situation between Calderon and TJ Ford was terrible, among other things. By way of contrast, McMillan looks like a good coach, though certainly I would wish that he had given more opportunities to Sergio.
The Blazers´ potential is scary. The roster is balanced and shockingly young, with one of the most promising inside games of the league: LaMarcus Aldridge (a player I like a lot and who is constantly improving) and Greg Oden, who didn´t make his debut last season and is expected to be a totally dominant center. If both Oden and Bynum develop as expected, their duels with opponents in the West should be memorable. In addition, they have help in the paint in the form of the hard-working Przybilla and the skill of Frye, another player who is developing. Frye did not start well in Portland after his arrival from the Knicks, but he improved in the last part of the season, demonstrating some of the great things of which he is capable.
A season for fighting against everything.
So the coming year appears to be very difficult for Sergio, who has to work harder than ever for a spot that it currently seems he does not have on the team — a position that will vanish if the season begins well for the Blazers without him in the regular rotation. Everything seems set against him. Bayless could be a sensation or he could be much less, at least in his rookie year. But already he´s more appreciated among the technical staff and the fans. Blake is currently set to be the starter and Bayless the second unit PG. Moreover, I contend, it is reasonable to think that Roy might increase his minutes as playmaker, depending on the Rudy and Webster´s performance.
Meanwhile, Sergio has defensive problems, a spectacular but erratic sense of floor leadership [???], inconsistency, and very poor shooting ability from distance. While it is true that his defense is not good and that in his few minutes in court he has alternated genius with errant decisions, McMillan has no other players with Sergio’s court vision. However, the Spanish player is in a vicious and very destructive circle, since his own confidence decreases as his coach withdraws it of him and his game degenerates when he tries to demonstrate too many things in the few minutes he has on the floor. A PG of his style needs precisely what he does not have: minutes, confidence, safety, and sufficient integration into the game to know the routines of his teammates.
It is also true that Sergio’s shooting percentage from distance is lacking, which reduces his value for an anticipated style of game in which outside shooters will get many opportunities due to the strength of the team in the key. With James Jones in Miami, Blake will be more important in this function. The past season’s statistics show that Blake missed 20% of his open shots. Sergio missed 40%.
At this point, Sergio has spent two very important years for his development as player on the bench and is no more than a prospect, for better or worse. He must recover from a bad season and his omission from the Olympic Games and turn these blows into motivating forces. He knows that has to work harder than ever from the very first day, and for this reason Blazer shooting coach John Townsend went to the Canaries this summer to work with Sergio, trying to improve his shot, giving it more arch and greater efficiency. Even with all these efforts, however, it is probable that Sergio won´t have many opportunities and that he is already out of the plans of McMillan, who has never had a special appreciation for Sergio’s game, unlike GM Kevin Pritchard.
Now in Portland they speak even more of Petteri Koponen’s progression, whereas the new Spanish pearls at which the whole world points in the NBA are Rudy, Marc, and Ricky Rubio, the latter of whom they are waiting open arms in America. The Blazers are even considering extending a contract to Shaun Livingston, the promising PG whose path has blocked by a terrible knee´s injury.
In face of all these circumstances, it is possible that Sergio should look for a trade if he wishes to play minutes in the NBA, or return to Europe, where he would also have to fight to recover the lost time. Honestly, I do not know what option is best for him. I do not know if he can develop his clearly evident potential and become an important player (or at least an active participant) in the NBA. It is difficult to say at the moment. Two years ago, my response had been positive and two months ago negative because I saw him doomed to return. This doesn´t presume that a return is either a step backwards or a surrender in his career, but rather a matter of seeking what is best for him. In any case, the waiting period is ending and this season will remove all doubt.
Now many people in Portland see Sergio as trade bait, or as a simple translator and guide for Rudy in his first season in Oregon. I have lost faith, but I continue to believe that still there is very good basketball player inside Sergio Rodríguez. Surely not in Portland — I do not know if in the United States.
I hope I’m wrong but in any case we will have answers soon.
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"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
I didn't get it 100% smoothed out -- that's a really long piece and I missed a couple spots...
…………………………….. You’re to be commended for putting so much work into it!
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Not a lot going on for you today
I’m guessing.
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by TheThinWhiteDuke on Sep 29, 2008 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
One thing -
I’d call it “Portland: The team on everyone’s lips” instead of “the team in everyone’s lips.”
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Sep 29, 2008 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions
Sometimes translations get to the heart of the matter more accurately
I love the phrase “a spectacular but erratic sense of the direction” as a description for Sergio.
If you’re taking suggestions for tweaking the translation, I think you wanted to say these players are “a young and approachable group”, not “a young and irreproachable group” which means they’re not so friendly.
Keep up the great (and hard) work.
Free Joel Freeland! (with the purchase of 1 Wafer)
Hmm
“Approachable” means friendly. “Irreproachable” means their character is such that you can’t (reasonably) make accusations against them of doing anything wrong.
So it just depends on what the Spanish word means. Timbo rendered “irreproachable” as “squeaky-clean” which is a good informal rendering of the idea behind the more formal and rarely used “irreproachable”. In this kind of writing, the less formal terminology is probably better. You could perhaps also use “exemplary”.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Thanks amlmart1
I’m probably the only guy that thinks this, but I think Sergio is the 2nd string point guard at the start of the season. He has two years under his belt in Nate’s system, he’s improved, he has played with everyone on the team except Bayless, Ike, and Oden, and it is his position to lose.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Bayless will probably be the starter one day and Blake will slide to the back up, and retire as a Blazer. That means that Sergio will get squeezed out.
The way I see it happening is after a couple of months Bayless will be playing so well that Nate will have to give him more minutes. If Sergio starts the season as a back up, he’ll get enough playing time to re-perk teams interest in him and just as Bayless claims the second job, Sergio will be moved. Blake will stay the starter this year and maybe next year, then it is all Bayless.
Nate likes vets, Sergio has two years on Bayless, and Bayless is just a teen. Bayless is also more of a shooting guard than point guard. He’s not going to become a point guard over night.
Back in the day I said Rudy and Roy will be on the floor together and it turned into Rudy and Roy starting together. Folks said that would never happen since they are both shooting guards an neither of them could guard the other team’s point guard. Bayless can guard the other team’s point guard, but I think Rudy has better point guard skills. We all know Brandon can play the point too.
Lets say after the trade deadline, Sergio is gone (for a draft pick and not replaced with another player) and Blake goes down with an injury. Who will be the starting point guard then? My answer is Roy and either Bayless or Fernadez starts at shooting guard, based on the athletic ability of the opposing point guard.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
You are correct, sir...
I’m probably the only guy that thinks this, but I think Sergio is the 2nd string point guard at the start of the season.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
You imply that either Rudy or Rex are out of Nate's touted "8 or 9 man rotation" in favor of Sergio...
…………………………….. which is a very low probability situation.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
well i guess he was wrong.
only tom, and NATE were thinking that.
Free Sergio! http://www.freesergio.com
Explanation
TiH = KP
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Your reasoning is good
But should likely only apply to someone like Steve Blake, who Nate likes and actually KNOWS Nate’s system, and not Sergio, who seemingly knows very little of the offense (outside of the pick and roll) and Nate has never trusted.
Nate is very, very, very pro-Vets, and pro-players who he has been with before. He often gives them a chance to lose their spot, over making them win it. BUT, Sergio probably isn’t classified in Nate’s mind as a “vet” or someone he is “comfortable with” and at least knows what is expected, if nothing else.
I think Sergio’s value has only drastically fallen in Blazer fans’ mind. He still has good value league wide and is seen as a high potential, intriguing prospect, put in a position where he can’t realistically succeed. Not with a team with no room for a raw PG. It doesn’t hurt Sergio as much as many of us are thinking though, and there’s gotta be some GMs and scouts who still remember how young the kid is and the promise he showed his rookie year (and in Spain).
It’s only his 3rd year, after all. I doubt ANYONE, outside of some of us impatient fans, think Sergio is washed up by any stretch of the imagination.
Other team’s will probably try to buy low, and while Sergio might not get a chance to blow everyone away, he won’t get enough time to damn him to worhtlessness either. No matter what happens, Sergio’s value stays decent even if he doesn’t play.
If he was a multi-year dependable vet, Bayless and Rudy would have to outright TAKE the backup spot away from Sergio. Right now, the only way Sergio gets the backup spot is if he outright WINS it from Bayless and Rudy by playing nice in training camp and pre-season, same with Martell and Travis for the starting spot.
I agree with a lot of your logic, I just think the fundamental assumption that Nate views Sergio as a vet he can trust is flawed.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on Sep 29, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think his best-case scenario at this point is Beno Udrih (who looks a lot like Rudy in his player portrait by the way)
Get some playing time on a team that needs him (although I wouldn’t say we are a team that is already over the raw player phase. We are not the Spurs or Lakers – thank God). Prove his value and suddenly see a spike in his production (Udrih doubled and tripled his stats). Then get a contract extension for (part of) the MLE from a team.
St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind. Jerryd Bayless—leaps over a kite string, and keeps going.
"He still has good value league wide"
That’s why in Dave’s poll about Sergio I voted not that he’d be back in Europe but on another NBA team. Sergio is still worth a gamble, especially for a young team that needs talent and can afford a couple of years to let him develop his game.
Everyone slams Sergio for his defense, but if he turns out to have Steve Nash-like offense abilities on a team that’s a good fit for him, some teams will take that. I wonder if Mike D’Antoni has any interest in him.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Sep 29, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I concur
If Sergio WANTS to be on an NBA team, he’d make plenty of them and play actual minutes.
If he wants the easy way out and a chance to be a minor star, he’ll go to Europe and settle for less.
Sergio still has a ton of potential and is an extremely talented passer, who needs lots more refinement in the more ‘real’ areas of basketeering. When he was a rookie we were a team capable of mining that potential without much worry about the bottom line (winning), but we ain’t there anymore and Sergio probably isn’t past the hardcore development phase.
If he wants it, he can end up on a team that is more than willing to mine his cavern of potential and see what happens.
I also like Norsktroll’s Beno Udrih comparison.
Mortimer
Plenty of them?
I’m not so sure that Sergio’s free-wheeling style would mesh with that many NBA coaches. Besides D’Antoni and Don Nelson, can you think of any others?
FWIW, Doug Moe is retired
I still say he goes to the Hawks...
He TORCHED them twice last year. They will remember him. They’re a young team…
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
I'd let him go for a second rounder, and stockpile another Euro...
……………………….. I think that’s a reasonable expectation, at this point, but I’m sure KP will get a better deal than that when the deal is actually made.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
The Atlanta Hawks ...
are loaded at point guard.
Mike Bibby is the starter, Ronald “Flip” Murray is the backup, Acie Law IV is a project, and Craig “Speedy” Claxton is attemping a comeback. That’s not to mention that shooting guard Joe Johnson is heavily relied on for playmaking duties — which is honestly due in part to Bibby being a high-volume shooter and Murray being a me-first gunner — while depth at the wing behind J.J. has been enhanced by the signings of Maurice Evans and Thomas Gardner.
Right now, a defensive-minded swingman who can slash down the baseline and draw fouls at a high clip is the Hawks’ greatest need at this moment; that’s directly related to Josh Childress’ decision to head overseas this summer and sign with Olympiakos of Greece. Bobby Jones, who was a shutdown perimeter defender in college with the Washington Huskies before becoming an NBA vagabond, would perfectly fill that void behind Josh Smith.
Additionally, the Hawks could use some insurance at the reserve power forward spot. Marvin Williams, who fills the slot of a face-to-the-basket mid-range shooter manning the high-post, is currently flanked by third-year scrub Solomon Jones and undrafted rookie Othello Hunter. Frankly, though, both Jones and Hunter are just benchwarmers. As a result, the Hawks should sign a veteran presence at the position (e.g., Michael Doleac) and subsequently waive Jones, particularly since he’s proven himself to be a flat-out bust after two seasons of inferior play.
They are loaded at PG
but not exactly loaded with high quality. I could see them taking a flyer on another project at PG if it didn’t cost too much. Murray isn’t an answer for them, and Bibby isn’t a perfect fit, either. I bet Joe Johnson would love them to get a pass-first PG.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Yeah, it'd alleviate the pressure off of Joe Johnson.
Recently, however, the Atlanta Hawks have been a safe haven for bigger distributors (e.g., Acie Law IV, Anthony Johnson, Cedric Bozeman, Royal Ivey, et al.) and undersized chuckers (e.g., Ronald “Flip” Murray, Tyronn Lue, Salim Stoudamire, Tony Delk, et al.) at its backup guard slots. As it is, there’s only been one traditional point guard there in recent years, Craig Claxton, but he’s injured most of the time.
Speedy's real name is Craig?
I’m in awe of your knowledge, AK.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Sep 30, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions
Grrr.
Anyone who’s extensively played NBA Live 2002 or a similar game probably knows that his name is Craig because he’s listed as Craig, not Speedy. I don’t know when he picked up the “Speedy” nickname.
Craig Claxton sounds like a mild-mannered alter ego of a superhero.
Jerryd Bayless has two emotions: Kill and Win.
"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Nicolas Batum
NorrisHopper30: "someone injure pubert jones"
by rockingharder on Oct 1, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Bayless just turned 20
But your point is well-taken—Rudy and Sergio have more pro-league experience than Bayless.
But my point remains, Nate likes his point guards to be able to defend the perimeter. I think Jerryd will convince Nate to play him more than Sergio for this reason alone.
As far as the Rudy-Roy backcourt…I was very impressed with #5 in Beijing, and I can see why you were high on him this spring. I still think the rotations that Nate selects will depend on game situations (are the Blazers ahead or do they need more offense?) as well as the opponent’s strengths (do they have a quick or larger backcourt?) as to whether Brandon and Rudy will play together for large stretches of games. (A 3-guard lineup with Roy playing SF is a decent possibility)
As far as Nate’s “trust” goes…I think to begin the season he will prefer to have Roy or Blake on the court as much as possible, instead of any combination of Rudy, Bayless or Sergio. Time will tell. I look forward to seeing how this all shakes out beginning Friday night at the scrimmage.
If Sergio isn't the back up point guard at the start of the season
I will never log in as “tominhawaii” again and will change my name to “kobeandthelakersrule.”
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
We know you're upset about the tsunami
making a mess of your bottle-cap collection, but there’s no need to make rash statements you’ll later regret.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
If he IS the backup
Then that is good, because it means Sergio improved a lot.
But, just based on past history and knowing his slow uptake on what he needs to do to improve, Nate’s not out-right love of Sergio’s game, and how nicely the new guys fill a known role, I would not stake too much on Sergio being the backup out of the gate… especially not something as valuable of internet real estate as the TominHawaii name!
THE ONLY WAY he achieves this is if he has improved greatly. All the reports right now are Bayless eating babies, Webster buff n’ focused, LMA killing, and Oden being Oden. In the 5 on 5, Sergio has improved and thrown a nice alley oop to Bayless. I haven’t read anything to suggest he has improved to such a point that he is the backup on a winning team.
There has been nothing to suggest anything more than marginal improvement and a hope that he is only an awful shooter, and not a God-awful shooter.
OBVIOUSLY, I ain’t actually seen him play, like anyone else not connected like us. But the word hasn’t been as good as the word on everyone else, and in recent history the word has been pretty accurate, albiet overwhelmingly positive (but then again, we’ve had nuthin’ but positives the last few seasons).
I’d rather you sell your popular screenname and turn a profit. ESPECIALLY IN SUCH DARK TIMES!
Mortimer
It's a win win for me
Imagine some new guy getting a snarky comment from me with that screenname.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
Yes! You must do that!
Dave would go nuts.
As for the tominhawaii name, we’ll erect a roadside memorial. It will have an eternal candle burning amid leis and bottlecaps.
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
Sure
We all know who PAE was.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
What
Do you think I’m Fatty or something? Who cares if I’m a man of my word on a blog? I might be who you think I am or thought I was, but when you really think about it, I could be anyone. I should probably sign up for kobeandthelakersrule, just in case. But I won’t because Sergo will be the 2nd string point guard at the start of the season.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
Nice parsing of words
You didn’t say for WHO he would be the second string PG for.
Clever, very clever…
I’m onto your game. You saw how Fatty was still on the tip of everyone’s tongue for over a year now, and he hasn’t said a peep. You CRAVE this sort of publicity, and a stunt like this is right up your alley-hole.
I say, if he is the first PG off the bench for the first 3 games, you win the bet. If Blake goes out, and Sergio comes in to play with Roy, you win. If Bayless or Rudy come in to play with Roy and one of them guard the PG and Roy is PG on offense, then it gets kinda tricky… I say that counts as a loss, cause those guys are at least playing sorta-PG. And that’s what I think is most likely…
Cause after that, THEN Sergio could come in, perhaps for Roy, to give him a break, and we go small, and then one could say that Sergio is only the second DEFINITE point guard to be in the game, making him the 2nd string PG… but I think that is cheating.
My prediction: Blake out first, Bayless in as co-PG, Roy out a few minutes later, Rudy comes in to be star SG. Sergio sits on the end of the bench eating tacos and bussing tables.
This is a very important issue though, and the details gotta be hashed out.
Mortimer
I like sergio...
…are we counting pre-season?
"the Knicks are an ongoing experiment in sporting altruism, with the motto "We suck, so you don't have to." This is the designing principle. Stop overcomplicating things."
-jawaan oldham
Just makes it easier for me
To remind you later…because a month from now, I’m not going to remember what thread you made this “prediction” on, and I won’t have to back-check it in the archives (I learned that much from the “Rudy will be playing next to Roy” debate from last spring…)
You can change your screen name if you want, or not. That’s up to you…but my take remains…Bayless will beat out Sergio for backup “point guard” minutes, unless Jerryd tweaks his ankle or somwthing
Awesome post
Fun translation from an entertaining and informed blogger.
Thank you.
It's officially been coined: "Decade of Dominance" (D.O.D.)
McMillan who has never had that special appreciation for Sergio's game (not like Pritchard that way)
This has been my impression, as well. KP and his scouts liked Sergio’s game (read: potential) enough to draft him, but Nate and his coaches haven’t been enamored with Rodriguez’ contributions to the ballclub on the floor
You don't see many "differences of opinion" between Nate and KP
But I suspect Sergio is one of those D.O.O’s between the scouts and coaches
It's a question of how much passing is valued...
……………………. Sergio had superior skills in 2 areas last year: 1. getting to the rack (as opposed to finishing at the rack); 2. passing. He was inferior as a defender and grossly inferior as a perimeter shooter.
How much patience are you willing to have with a passing savant who’s a bricklayer and rather inept defender? KP > Nate, obviously. But in comes Rex, who seems to be world class (a la Tony Parker) of getting to the rack. If he plays hard defense and becomes a so-so assist man, Sergio is odd man out…
Sergio’s only hope with the Blazers is an injury to Blake and/or Rex.
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex
Well...
He was grossly inferior as a perimeter shooter. True.
He supposedly worked on it all summer and improved a lot. If true, and if he improved his D as well, he could indeed push Bayless for some PT.
I’ll believe it when I see it, and I don’t really expect to, but I won’t say his only hope is an injury. There’s enough talent there that if he really steps up in the places he was weak, we could see him compete, at least at the start of the season, when Bayless is likely to have some things to get used to. We’ll see.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Less pure passers are needed in the backcourt now
Than back when Sergio was scouted and drafted. With facilitators Roy and Rudy to go along with Blake, Bayless’ lack of distribution skills are the least of my concerns. Jerryd will get dimes by accident
We don't "hear" of any differences of opinion between KP and Nate
But I’ll bet they have them. I’ll bet Nate wanted one of the other two point guards over Bayless (DJ or Westbrook). I’d also be willing to bet Nate wasn’t a big fan of Rudy until the Olympics. Nate’s response after watching Rudy was a little TOO shocked, like he never imagined the guy could actually play.
Luckily both Nate and KP are too professional to talk about any disagreements in public, and therefore become fodder for overreacting, “the sky is falling” mentality-having, dissect every phrase for ultimate meaning message posters.
(That would be us)
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
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by TheThinWhiteDuke on Sep 29, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Oh you know...
they disagree…. and that is healthy.
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
From knowing Nate McMillan during his days in Seattle, ...
I’d bet a boatload of cash that Russell Westbrook would’ve been his undeniable favorite out of that bunch. Hell, throughout McMillan’s coaching tenure with the now defunct SuperSonics, he unabashedly preferred guys like Antonio Daniels, Mateen Cleaves, Kevin Ollie, Randy Livingston, and Emanual Davis over Luke Ridnour, Ronald “Flip” Murray, Kenny Anderson, Earl Watson, and Shammond Williams.
As it is, McMillan likes methodical, slow-paced floor generals who play within the offense and can guard multiple positions; that’s probably ‘cause those type of players remind him of his younger self. Even a defensive-minded guy like Watson — who, unbeknownst to some folks, had two stints in the Emerald City — didn’t thrive under McMillan, as the UCLA alumnus’ up-tempo style and short stature didn’t fit within Mac-10’s game plan.
Nate wanted
someone besides Jarrett.
Remember, KP told Blazers staff before the draft that Indiana would draft a PG. He had worked a deal to move up to 11 because all the other deals up were too expensive, but at 11 he knew he would get Bayless or DJ (by then, Westbrook was going to be gone).
Nate may have wanted Westbrook, but not badly enough to give up what he would have had to give up to get him. But he would have been happy with either DJ or Jerryd. I don’t think he’s complaining — Jerryd is likely to be a more effective defender against NBA PGs because DJ is just a little too small. You are probably right that Nate would have preferred Westbrook to Bayless, but I’m not sure he was as high on DJ. On offense, yes, on defense, no.
The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.
Nate wanted someone besides Jarrett?
If that was the case, he sure didn’t show it when it came inserting Jack into his late game backcourt rotation, despite all of Jarrett’s turnovers
I’m thinking KP didn’t want Jack to be “available” for Nate to insert into the lineup any longer, but maybe I’m projecting my feelings on KP?
What I never understand is why Phoenix trade him
Sergio was a run & gun Nash backup
Blazers Fans are my boys, Celtic my bhoys.
Maybe D'Antoni will bring him to the Knicks... He does fit that style of play...
(I still want Lee!!!)
"It's not a joke -- it's not a game." — B-Rex

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