The Psychology of Nate McMillan
I just got done listening to Casey and JQ talk during their chat. (I feel privileged, btw, to be out here in the wasteland of masochistic Cubs-fans and get good Blazer press... thanks to those guys and this blog and everyone else who make that work.)
If you have the stamina to make it to the very end, you hear JQ say this (paraphrasing): "Nate McMillan has taken a lot of heat over the years for his playing decisions [in reference to doling out minutes]. I think he's going to be under intense scrutiny this year... people are going to want to see more Rudy, they're going to want to see more Bayless. He's going to be under enormous scrutiny like never before. And let me tell you something about Nate: he can get very, very, very, very, very defensive when questioned about his decisions."
I, of course, have been one of those people wondering about the minutes in 05/06 (not so much last year) for Surge and at various points for Joel. I've sure we've all seen some of that defensiveness coming from Nate.
Since that time, I've come to the (to me, bad--but to all of you, very, very good) realization that Nate made better choices than me. In short: he was mostly right and me not. But that apology was on another post.
What I wanted to comment about this year was this notion of JQ's: I think he's right. I think Nate is going to be under the most intense and extreme kinds of psychological pressures this year. Consider:
- Every time we (and here, I mean Bedgers and the greater Portalnd area together) chant in idolatrous adulation: "In KP we trust"... what are we saying? What is Nate HEARING?" I suggest he's hearing: hey, KP put this team together, PA bankrolled it, the community went crazy over it with parades and blogs and ticket sales... are YOU--Nate--going to be the one to blow it?
- Nate's the annointed point guard man. We've had nothing but point guard problems. He's the annointed defensive-minded coach. This team has been getting routinely beaten on perimeter defense and losing rebounding margins. I'm not hear to rehash the reasons for all this (see the last 5,387 blog fanposts) but rather suggest what Nate is HEARING: this team is failing in precisely those areas that Nate is supposed to be an expert in.
- We have all this talent. Everyone says so. EVERYONE... including that caffeinated bag of musty air Stephen A. We got rookie of the year! We got Oden! We got Euro MVP! We got LMA! What is Nate hearing: he's hearing every one of those pundits that used to criticize Phil Jackson when they said ANYone could've coached Pippen and Jordan to the finals.
The Bedgers are a community that watches things like coaches comments and interviews very closely. We should watch Nate very closely. He's going to be subjected to inhuman pressure from second-guessing precisely because this team is set up so very well. It's going to be even worse because the first part of the season is going to be so brutal. So we should watch Nate: watch for the defensivenes, the sleeplessness, the guarded statements... anything that looks like he's closing down. It will ultimately have an effect because I think it'll take some kind of superhuman to make it through. For all the Joel agitators and Surge ManCrushers out there last year... it's going to many, many times worse this year.
I'm not sure anyone can get through this unscathed. What will Nate be at the end of the season? Particularly if the Blazers don't finish well? I have a feeling most blogs will be calling for his head saying precisely these things: Anyone ELSE could've won with this talent... ANY moron would've known to start Rudy...
And there's Nate himself and the need to learn. There's a fascinating poem entitled "Paracelsus" by Robert Browning (yeah, I went to English Grad school for a while... go ahead and call me a nerd and get on with your own sad, illiterate life if you think that ain't cool). The poem has these people who have been at work sculpting on an island (as I recall) and they think there stuff is really, really hot (I would say "superlative" but I think "hot" translates better for you ADD Generation Y Paris Hilton followers). Then they come to see true art... and they realize that their stuff is, in actually, second rate. But they refuse to leave their island or do anything about it. Instead they say,
"We did not have the heart to mar our work."
That's the essence of learning. Will Nate--being pushed to the full brink of defensiveness from second-gussing from the Mass Couch Potato Public--have "the heart" to see better ways should they exist in first place.
I almost call this the "no-win-scenario" (with nods to The Wrath of Kahn, which should verify my nerd card for anyone keeping track at home).
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Totally long, yet fully cohesive and cogent.
Morphing “Sarge” into “Surge” (it happened twice, so it’s NOT a typo),
with references to Paraclesus and Star Trek II: Wrath Of Khan:
A very good post in the wake of DFW (who got shout-outs from ChewHoop AND Sports Guy).
And but then so well of COURSE I rec’d it.
Allston Wolf Spiders rule.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on Sep 20, 2008 9:19 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Surge = Sergio not Sarge
people wondering about the minutes in 05/06 (not so much last year) for Surge and at various points for Joel.
or that quote wouldn’t make sense.
by contemnor on Sep 21, 2008 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahhhhhhhhh.
Well then.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on Sep 21, 2008 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes you wonder if he will be fine
taking his $25 million at the end of five years and ride off away from the scorching sun.
Didn’t Kurt Cobain say, “It’s better to burn out than fade away”?
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 20, 2008 9:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
cobain was a rich junkie
and he faded away
by southern oregon on Sep 20, 2008 11:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought he was the one
who went out in a blaze of glory by taking his own life?
by usmcr3049 on Sep 20, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I glorify him
yeah, he took himself out with a shotgun at his Lake Washinton mansion.
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 21, 2008 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
suicide is not glorious.
its taking the easy way out.
Cobain was a d-bag, leaving a newborn baby behind with a drug-addict mother.
by koyote on Sep 21, 2008 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like you wouldn't think about ending it all
After waking up next to Corney Love.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 21, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha...
you think it’s a nightmare for a second…
then you realize, we’re not in Poipu Beach anymore Todo…
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 21, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Neil Young said it. Kurt quoted him in his farewell letter.
And Neil replied with the album “Sleeps With Angels”.
Good album.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on Sep 21, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, so I don't get it
Neil sleeps with the angel of Kurt in his bed? or watching over him?
I take it that Neil doesn’t condone suicide. But maybe he didn’t have the rough upbringing and heroin addiction like Cobain.
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 21, 2008 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
Someone who wrote “The Needle and the Damage Done” doesn’t grasp heroin adiction.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on Sep 21, 2008 8:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
fine, paint Neil as a druggy.
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 21, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ohhhh, no no no . . .
. . . but someone who has deep knowledge of junkies.
Danny Whitten and all that.
"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless
by QualityPie on Sep 21, 2008 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah,
i’m sure he was a junky himself… I mean, I wasn’t there to say whether or not, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt that he experienced everything.
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 21, 2008 4:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kobiashi Maru
I showed my nerd card to you
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on Sep 20, 2008 10:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
So you think this is an unwinnable situation?
From Wikipedia:
The Kobayashi Maru test was first depicted in the opening scene of the film Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, in which command division cadets at Starfleet Academy are presented with a no-win scenario as a test of character. This provided context for how the main character, Admiral James T. Kirk, deals with the possibility of unwinnable situations, and death in particular.
The training exercise in Star Trek II describes the Kobayashi Maru as a Class III neutronic fuel carrier-ship, commanded by Kojiro Vance, with a crew of 81 and 300 passengers. The name is Japanese, and loosely translates as the ship named Kobayashi, with Kobayashi (小林) meaning small forest and being a common family name. Maru (丸) is a common suffix for Japanese ship names.
(yes, I did have to yahoo it!)
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Sep 23, 2008 7:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jerryd Bayless
will be a great opportunity for Nate to try and make a great defensive guard. Bayless has the athleticism to be a good defender and he also seems to have the drive to be a great defender. In a way, Bayless is a big test for Nate.
TominHawaii is secretly a huge Jazz fan
by Zaron5551 on Sep 20, 2008 10:20 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
RECO...
the question for me is, how long until Blake is playing “Sergio minutes” because Nate has moved onto Rudy and Jerryd. (hopefully sooner than later)
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 21, 2008 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
too much hype
They will still be rookies. Blake is the ‘veteran’ point guard of the team. He is also a natural point guard. Trying to replace that on with a couple of out of postion rooks in the toughest position in the NBA, well, glad Nate is at the helm still.
by einman77 on Sep 21, 2008 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They may be out of position, but soon enough
Blake will be out of a job. Which is worse?
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 21, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can't replace Blake with either of those guys
We are gonna need either Blake, Sergio, or a different true point guard on our roster. Neither of them are the answer at the 2. On that note, glad that KP is at the helm as well.
by einman77 on Sep 23, 2008 5:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's not so much as replacing Blake
as it is offering something different and more useful… a better alternative.
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 23, 2008 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The ability to bring the ball up under pressure is all that is needed
because Brandon is our best playmaker and can play the 1. All three can play he 2.
But I agree that we do still need Steve and maybe Sergio as well. Coach Nate loves versatility and will mix his lineup to get an advantage. The only sure thing is major minutes for Brandon, LaMarcus and soon for Greg.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Sep 23, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon can fill some time as the 1
but what happens when he is resting? What happens if he has an injury causing him to lose a little or a lot of time? Are we really gonn out the burden on him to play out of position as his only option? I hear the argument you are making, but we can’t afford not to have someone other than B. Roy at the 1. We need to keep at least 1 true point guard on the roster at all times.
by einman77 on Sep 25, 2008 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
great post
like almost every coach in the nba, nate would rather deal with the pressure of high expectations than deal with the headaches and turmoil that go with being short on talent.
nothing i have seen from nate indicates that he will wilt in the face of pressure.
i will also say this to explain nate’s defensiveness because i agree with JQ about that. nate does not get defensive for no reason and he doesn’t do it in a strictly emotional way. it’s not an emotional defensiveness (“how dare you question me?”) it’s a more logical (“yeah, obviously i thought of that, here’s why i didn’t do that…”). when he argues a point, he quickly brings up all the relevant options, ticking them off as to what the positives and negatives are, summarizing the best options, and then concluding with a justification for why he took the route he did and why it didn’t work in that specific situation but why it was still the best route to take at the time he made the decision. in some cases, especially regarding playing time, he does this very delicately so as not to throw any player under the bus in any way. nate will not (or very rarely) single anyone out. nate is a calculating guy. he is a long and deep thinker with an intellectual’s desire to play and coach perfectly. he has a PHD in the x’s and o’s of what will work for HIS team. people with PHDs often get defensive when questioned by those they see as less qualified to understand the problems they are arguing about.
if nate has a fault, it’s a loyalty to the players that he trusts. you’ve got to ask yourself, in the long term, is that really a significant fault?
BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON
by Ben. on Sep 21, 2008 12:37 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Sarge
pardon me if i take the obvious answer,
but I believe that part of it is also Nate just being the unquestioned decision maker on this team,
as this is where I see the sarge nickname coming from… When he came here he came to a team which had fairly blatantly disregarded the authority of their coach. So he took control, what would it say to his players if he allowed himself to be second guessed by some journalist with less basketball knowledge than they have in their sprained pinkie finger?
now he may not be a jerk about it but he’ll let you know he’s the alpha dog.
by contemnor on Sep 21, 2008 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the sarge stuff is totally overblown
sorry
BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON
by Ben. on Sep 21, 2008 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zach gave Nate the Sarge nickname
That should tell you everything you need to know about that.
"Screw the chalupa – it’s the victory I want." --timg56
by MiledAnimal on Sep 21, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That rather analytical style should be one big reason why McMillan fits so well together with KP
Both try to really see all options, narrow them down, then go with whatever seems the best one and stick to it even if it’s initially unpopular or not understood by many people. I like that style over a guy who constantly makes semi-defensible decisions that don’t fit together as a whole or makes decisions at whim, e.g. yanking around the playing time of the bench guys at whim. If a player has lost his trust, he has to present tangible improvements to make the point that he would be better than the current solution. That said, I hope he has some great ideas how to maximize the potential of all this talent (just the guard situation alone is highly tricky) and gives everybody a fair chance to show how they can be valuable for the team.
St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind.
by Norsktroll on Sep 21, 2008 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
maximizing the potential is definitely the can of worms. but having too much talent isn’t necessarily a terrible problem to have when it can be divided into those that have established roles and those that are working to establish roles.
nate has already given signs about how he will handle the guards. generally speaking (especially after the failed jack experiment at the beginning of last year), he will default to the veterans and allow the rest to earn it. this clears up the guard situation quite a bit.
i think nate will be looking for maximum consistency and carry-over from last year. therefore you can just about pencil blake, roy, webster and outlaw into their same roles.
blake, roy and webster start with outlaw, rudy, bayless, sergio as the pecking order when the season starts. as the season goes on, the adjustments will almost assuredly occur in the pecking order (between rudy/bayless and webster/blake) based on performance when playing in the second unit and not in the starting lineup. so the real question becomes can rudy or bayless prove to be starters? if they do, nate will be overjoyed and that will mean a lot of wins for us. that’s a good problem to have. if they don’t, they should be more than serviceable role players and i don’t think he will complain that way either.
one might argue that the pressure here is really on the players. with so much talent, if you don’t bring it, you won’t be playing (much).
BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON
by Ben. on Sep 21, 2008 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We'll see...
I think if anybody can take it, Nate can take it. The question is, CAN anybody.
You ever watch how the American presidents visibly age in office? I mean, I don’t care who you are: you’ve got to have some major-league, super-dense cajones to run for the office of the president. You’ve gotta believe, heart and soul, that you can walk on water.
But then there’s the crushing pressure of all the criticism. And not the good criticism: most especially the bad criticism. The SNL skits, the talk-radio shows, the letters to the editors, the protester with the sign slinging rock out his back pocket… all that stuff adds up. Even if it doen’t make logical sense, it still is a crushing emotional burden.
That’s what I worry about with Nate. As I would with anyone. I tell you, if he CAN get through it he’s The Man and we should never let him go.
by Phizbin on Sep 21, 2008 9:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the amount of criticism that nate faces being here in portland, outside of message boards which i guarantee he does not care about or probably even know about, is very, very minimal compared to a national stage or a larger market.
that might change as the team becomes more nationally known but nate now has a friendly tv team, friendly radio station and beatwriters who rarely criticize him and, when they do, they don’t go out of their way to do so.
the main concern the team has is “managing expectations.” they have been careful about doing this throughout the summer, asking for time for oden to develop, the pieces to come together, etc.
unless disaster strikes, nate should be fine.
BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON
by Ben. on Sep 21, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
My expectation is a string of ten championships.
They can’t manage my expectations when I don’t want them to!
"Screw the chalupa – it’s the victory I want." --timg56
by MiledAnimal on Sep 21, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed!
maybe 8 or nine with some fluke ahppening and over ten years, flukes happen.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Sep 22, 2008 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
point of clarification
I believe Sean Meagher runs the Qucik chats, not Casey. I wouldnt really call anyone who went to graduate school in English a nerd, as I imagine they rank right below MBAs in terms of social skills and dont touch on the nerdom of the physical science and math departments.
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Sep 21, 2008 2:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Shoot... you're right of course.
Apologies to all parties. That’s what I get for late-night posts.
by Phizbin on Sep 21, 2008 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
no worries
liked the post
Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.
by jonestr on Sep 21, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Nate
I wrote a diary like this about Michael Phelps, just before the Olympics.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 21, 2008 6:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ever seen Phelps swimming
at Waikiki?
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 23, 2008 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
I only go to Waikiki if I have guests in town.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 24, 2008 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
since we have Channing, Jerryd and Ike on the team,
could you call our bench the USS Arizona? except it would be the unsinkable version, huh?
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 24, 2008 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's still too soon
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 25, 2008 4:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's a good post
and worthy of reads by everyone so I rec’d it, but I have a couple of nit-picky comments about your writing style if you are really trying to put forth a good argument. And maybe it’s me and maybe because it’s still early in the morning, but your lapses into personal comments stood out like they were highlighted. I’ll let some go, but one that got my back up was “get on with your own sad, illiterate life if you think that ain’t cool”. Well, I don’t think going for a grad. degree in English is cool – nor is it NOT cool – it’s what you chose to do. And I’m sorry you think my life is sad and illiterate – I don’t happen to think it is. But that’s not the point. The point is you suddenly attacked some of your readers – it certainly made me pull back and rethink about whether or not I was still agreeing with you. And the assumption that we’re “you ADD Generation Y Paris Hilton followers” is also an attack. I have ADD and didn’t choose to have it., but neither am I generation Y, or PH follower (and how many BE readers actually admire PH???).
I guess my concern is because I agree so strongly with your points that I want everyone to consider them and I feel that belittling your readers detracts from your otherwise well-written arguments. And don’t do it again, OK? [Insert smiley face here]
"The highlight of the run was Aldridge crossing over Oden near the baseline, driving to the hoop, avoiding Travis Outlaw's block attempt, then finishing with the reverse layup. So pretty." - Casey H., 09/16/08
by jorga on Sep 21, 2008 8:28 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I was going to post the same thing
I could see the humor in calling yourself a nerd, even if you don’t really believe that. That is actually funny. No need for the attack. Once would have been just a scratch on the head and a thought of ‘he must have tried to make a joke, I guess’. Twice in the same paragraph, come on.
Also; “get on with your own sad, illiterate life if you think that ain’t cool.” – Uh, isn’t ’ain’t’ a completely grammatically incorrect word? As an illiterate I’m not sure I have the credibility to critique such an astute scholar as yourself, but I think that you might be a little off there.
by einman77 on Sep 21, 2008 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought those comments were ironic, not actual putdowns
I found them humorous. Then again, my stepdad was an English prof.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Sep 22, 2008 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only guy who didn't unerstand the post?
I couldn’t tell if he hates Nate or loves him. In the end I took it to mean that he thinks Nate is a crappy coach deserving of lots of criticism.
It only took three guy to make Doc Rivers look like a great coach.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 22, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jorga was probably under the influence
or the purple sticky punch. I couldn’t understand it either.
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 22, 2008 4:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like this post.
Let’s not forget that Nate is a relatively young coach, still learning as much as the youngsters he coaches. Even if there was another coach available that could eke out that additional .02% of effort, talent, what have you…there aren’t glaring issues with his coaching. I don’t forsee a time when the stars align and we are the favorites to win it all and yet are held back by Nate.
But you are absolutely right, he will be a lightning rod for criticism.
And here’s your superflous sixth rec.
by lukeyhere on Sep 21, 2008 8:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
"superflous" is a great word
the only thing that would make it better is to make it “Super-duperflous”
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on Sep 21, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spelling it right would help, too
"Screw the chalupa – it’s the victory I want." --timg56
by MiledAnimal on Sep 21, 2008 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dang ....you are right
I copied it from the OP. Dang!!
Superfluous or Super-Duperfluous if you will
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on Sep 21, 2008 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ouch!
Normally I’m the one cringing at bad spelling. Superfluous is one of those words that work when you speak (it’s fun to say!), but it just doesn’t appear in written form too much.
What I need me is a signature…
superfluous
by lukeyhere on Sep 21, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Try saying Super-Duperfluous
that joke only works (as much as it does) in written form. It is almost impossible to say
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on Sep 21, 2008 5:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dislocated my jaw
Do you have a house rabbit? Just noticed your latest avatar.
"The highlight of the run was Aldridge crossing over Oden near the baseline, driving to the hoop, avoiding Travis Outlaw's block attempt, then finishing with the reverse layup. So pretty." - Casey H., 09/16/08
by jorga on Sep 22, 2008 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh....We bought for my daughter (my previous 2 avatars)
I gave her the standard talk about feeding and care and added that she shouldn’t hold the bunny to close to her face because bunnies are known to jump on peoples faces and bite them on the eye.
She didn’t believe me….go figure
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on Sep 22, 2008 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not hard to say if your european
I’ve noticed that most euporean’s place an accent on the second syllable of a word, whereas americans do not. If you practice em-PHA-siz-ing the second syl-LAB-ble, it’s not nearly so hard to say super du-PER-fluous.
by NWfan on Sep 22, 2008 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I tried it
I sound like James Mason
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on Sep 22, 2008 7:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes
saying the word as it looks helps with the spelling. In my head it’s super-flew-us – though I generally look it up anyway :) I do appreciate Firefox’s spell check.
"The highlight of the run was Aldridge crossing over Oden near the baseline, driving to the hoop, avoiding Travis Outlaw's block attempt, then finishing with the reverse layup. So pretty." - Casey H., 09/16/08
by jorga on Sep 22, 2008 10:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does have it's limits.
"Aneurysm".
When Outlaw wins a game on a last-second shot, it’s called an "annthefaneurysm". QualityPie
by annthefan on Sep 22, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
very good post...
and I REC’d it. But for an Enlish Grad student, your flip-flops of here/hear there/their are a little distrubing…. :-)
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
by johnv59 on Sep 21, 2008 9:29 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
PS
I was an honors English student in college… so I’m one of those nit-picky people….
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
by johnv59 on Sep 21, 2008 9:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's OK if I nit-pick you?
Enlish Grad student, your flip-flops of here/hear there/their are a little distrubing…. :
And now I’m outta here!! or hear, as the case may be.
"The highlight of the run was Aldridge crossing over Oden near the baseline, driving to the hoop, avoiding Travis Outlaw's block attempt, then finishing with the reverse layup. So pretty." - Casey H., 09/16/08
by jorga on Sep 22, 2008 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
An English Grad Degree...
.. Does not automatically confer coherence or grammatical accuracy; particularly at the time of night I was righting (ha ha). And, incidently, fuming over the fact I got talked into paying too much money for a rather poor vodka.
And, of course, sadness that I was spending my Saturday night by myself with a bottle of vodka listening to the JQ chat in its entirety.
And then blogging about it.
by Phizbin on Sep 21, 2008 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose that's the state in which a majority of world-famous prose was written (minus the chat)
Especially in Ireland, Scotland, Russia, …
St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind.
by Norsktroll on Sep 21, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some of it requires that state to read or "comprehend" it's deep meaning as well. : )
Or just a stout case of depression.
The same can be said for a lot of music and art as well.
by lukeyhere on Sep 21, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
it’s well known also that a majority of our favorite songs over the years were penned while the author was “under the influence”…. !
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
by johnv59 on Sep 21, 2008 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that the case...
thank god for editors
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on Sep 22, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
been there….
There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)
My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons
by johnv59 on Sep 21, 2008 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting read
I think that its pretty easy for NBA fans, in particular, to focus on one or two instances in which a coach may have made the wrong decision rather than focus on the many, many instances in which the coach made the right decision. Its something that I hate about basketball and pro sports in general. There was only one real time last year when I actually questioned one of Nate’s decisions, and afterward he admitted that he made a mistake by taking Joel out of the game. I’ve also never found Nate to be all that defensive about his decisions, maybe I missed something there, but I’ve always found him to respond well to criticism.
I have also been bothered by the fact that KP gets all the credit for putting together the current team, when the coaching staff has done an excellent job building the players into what they are.
In Nate We Trust! Go Blazers!
by koyote on Sep 21, 2008 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Nate has overachieved...
The Blazers have had better records than most preseason predictions the past two years. He has done a fine job teaching the game and molding the young guys into NBA players without setling for losing seasons in the process. Now is not the time to question his coaching skills. After the next two seasons, we will have a pretty good idea whether Nate is the right coach to lead the team beyond the rebuilding process into an era of contending for championships.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Sep 21, 2008 5:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll take that bet
I think Nate is a good long-term fit for the team. The man is all about playing your hardest, team ball and fundamentals. With high quality players like Oden, Roy, LA, et al, that reads ‘destiny’ to me.
by DonkeyShins on Sep 22, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate is clearly an excellent TEACHING coach...
……………………………….. as a floor general, the jury is still out.
I do NOT trust him to make good decisions with the 4 and 5 positions, but with the current cast of characters, it’s pretty hard to mess up. Nate historically has undervalued the SKILL of rebounding and overvalued perimeter play.
"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."
by timbo on Sep 22, 2008 9:34 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
His decisions with regard to the 5 have more to do with the fact that Joel is an offensive liability in most cases (although his much improved free-throw shooting has mitigated this somewhat and he does set a wicked pick). When your choice is between an excellent defender with hands of stone and a somewhat soft defender (Frye or LA) with loads of scoring, that’s a tough call to make. With Oden, there won’t be the same tradeoff, so it won’t be as big of a problem.
I’ll agree with you somewhat on the rebounding versus perimeter play question, but let’s be fair, he was a point guard, not a power forward. I’m sure if he was the assistant and Luke was the head coach it would be swinging too far in the other direction.
by DonkeyShins on Sep 22, 2008 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was. Exactly right. And that's why I trust him with his 1/2/3 personnel decisions, but not his 4/5 decisions...
…let’s be fair, he was a point guard, not a power forward.
"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."
by timbo on Sep 22, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But this year, it's easy...
………………………………. you play Oden until he gets in foul trouble, then you play Joel. And you play LMA, except when he needs a breather or matches up poorly, then you’ve got Frye to stretch it or Ike to mash… And as a second rebounder, you’ve got the crasher Rudy.
"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."
by timbo on Sep 22, 2008 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like how it changes this year in your mind...
So he “didn’t make good choices” in the past but now he will “make good choices” because Oden is in the mix.
I don’t necessarily disagree with you that he might coach perimeter play better than interior play but DonkeyShins lays out a perfectly good explanation as to why he may have made decisions differently than you last year and you don’t even address it. Nate’s philosophy is probably going to be the same this year when Oden is not available down the stretch. I bet we see LMA, Frye or TO, and three guards before we see Joel out there.
I am fine with that myself because I agree that Joel hurts you more on offense than he helps you on defense in final stretches of games. Best case is to play him on defense and get him out of the game at the change of possession but Nate doesn’t seem to like to substitute down the stretch like that.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Sep 22, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct.
So he "didn’t make good choices" in the past but now he will "make good choices" because Oden is in the mix.
Instead of Pryz for inadequate minutes and some totally inadequate substitue for the rest of the time at the 5, it will be Oden at the 5 with Pryz playing roughly similar minutes as his backup (as Oden will be in perpetual foul trouble, given the sort of power game he plays). So, UNLESS Nate flakes out and sends Pryz to Raef-land, there will ALWAYS be a real 5 on the floor in the coming year. And things will be better. Nate proved, ummmm, erratic with his 4/5 decision-making last year, but starting from the premise that Oden/Pryz will fill the 5 hole, it really doesn’t matter as much in the coming year — it’s an extremely tough situation for Nate to mess up.
"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."
by timbo on Sep 23, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
To your point, of course, Nate will want ODEN down the stretch...
…………………………. and it’s on him to make sure Oden is around for that.
"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."
by timbo on Sep 23, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree up to the fourth quarter...
I still choose Frye or Outlaw with LMA over Joel if Oden is in foul trouble down the stretch. Especially if Frye plays like he did the last few games of the season last year. But I see what you are saying about keeping Oden out of foul trouble by using Joel wisely in the first three quarters.
I think having Joel out there on key offensive possessions makes it much tougher to score because his defender becomes the obvious double teamer. I think he does fine during the first three quarters because he is good enough to not be a complete liability, but when teams clamp down the last 5-8 minutes of a game, he can really hurt you on offense.
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Sep 23, 2008 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lucky for us
that many games will be blowouts in our favor by the 4th quarter and this will be a moot point.
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 23, 2008 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering Coach Nate got Jerome James to play the 5 & get the full mid-level exception
I would disagree with this statement (even with Isiah involved). There is also the max contract that that Rashard Lewis received after being reared by Coach Nate. Add the full mid-level that Radmonovic received from the L@kers. Coach has developed LaMarcus and Joel to terrific players at the 4 & 5 (within their respective kill sets) in Portand as well as Nick Collison in Seattle.
I also disagree with your rebounding assertion. Seattle under Coach Nate, relying in part by the aforementioned first trio in 204-2005, out rebounded opponents 40.88 to 37.85, an 8% edge. This edge was for both offensive and defensive rebounds. This is where fans get caught up in the numbers – Seattle that year was 23rd in the league in rebounds. So the assumption is they were not a good rebounding team. Then consider the same year they were 2nd in the league in denying opponent rebounds. So undervaluing skill of rebounding seems misapplied. Coach emphasized edge. You win most games in which you win the rebounds contest.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Sep 23, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Great points!!
PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04
by tssbro on Sep 24, 2008 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three statisticians go hunting.
When they see a rabbit, the first one shoots, missing it on the left.
The second one shoots and misses it on the right.
The third one shouts: “We’ve hit it!”
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Sep 24, 2008 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coaching
Red Auerbach used to set down rules that no one could break without fear of dire consequences. Then he sat back and allowed the players to use what he’d taught them. He was not a micro manager or worry wart.
Good coaches put the responsibility for winning in the hands of the players, then get out of the way. The coaches who fail are the ones who never learn to trust their players to care as much as they do. Now that KP has found a group of adults ready to take responsibility, Nate will eventually learn to sit back and allow the players to put his system to use. Or he’ll be out the door. No team will win a championship as a result of being browbeaten into it by a fussy, insecure control freak who can’t let go. If Nate’s losing sleep over the team, I suggest he listen to Craig Carothers’s song, “Little Hercules.” There’s a great line in there:
“Now the only tyrant that you’re working for is you.” Nate, you’re a great coach. Now you have to let yourself believe it.
If you say "basically" at the beginning of a sentence, you probably also put ketchup on everything you eat.
by CosmoPlavix on Sep 21, 2008 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I'd say Nate can be defensive
But name an NBA coach who ISN’T? None of them actually enjoys being second-guessed. Some respond with whithering putdowns or sarcasm—e.g, Phil Jackson & Greg Popovich.
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Sep 22, 2008 12:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Rick Adelman?
he’s pretty much given up by now—he’s been around too long
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 22, 2008 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hear it all the time -- Nate McMillan is a defensive coach.
"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."
by timbo on Sep 22, 2008 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yuck, yuck
You’re sure YOU aren’t Tominhawaii?
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on Sep 23, 2008 12:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tom is much better-looking, just ask him
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Sep 23, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
................................... but I have better legs.
"TominHawaii's real name is Hubert and he's a rancher in Burns."
by timbo on Sep 23, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So's your face!
P.S. I think Nate is a super cool coach, and I love him like a long comfortable couch.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 23, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't you mean "long comfortable Coach"?
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on Sep 23, 2008 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You don't take naps on a coach
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 24, 2008 2:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
it was a riff
on the people who always misspell “coach” as “couch” ….only backwards
"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso
by 92wastheyear on Sep 24, 2008 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't riff at Blazers Edge
We’re just one happy family here living in harmony.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 24, 2008 6:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody has mentioned that Gold Medal
Although most observers credit defense as the difference in this year’s USA team, few note that Coach Nate was the coach responsible for the defense on that team. Just as Boston won the NBA with defense (and that was not Coach Doc but Coach Tom), Coach Nate deserves the credit. Even Dwayne Wade said Coach Nate is defense and he loved him for it. My point is every player respects Coach Nate. His experience being around Coach K and Coaches D’Antoni and Boeheim for three summers will have influenced him in offense, zone defenses and leadership.
I believe in Coach Nate. He will b fine and we are fortunate to have him.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on Sep 24, 2008 12:17 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The coaches didn't get gold medals
so that argument technically doesn’t count for him.
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 24, 2008 1:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Barrett said someone gave him a gold medal
Back home, with his gold medal from the Olympics, McMillan has been adjusting his sleep schedule, telling a ton of stories from Bejing, and is happily sharing his many thoughts on how he plans to use his new-and-improved roster.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 24, 2008 2:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder if Mike Barrett misspoke (cause he didn't know that coaches don't get them)
or if somebody actually gave their gold medal to him? I had heard that USA Basketball was going to make fake ones or give the coaches rings, can’t remember which. Either way, it probably wouldn’t be with him “[b]ack home” yet.
It would be really cool if one of the players gave him theirs, because it’s like a (almost) once-in-a-lifetime thing to get and to give it to your coach would be the ultimate sign of gratitude.
If it was a player, who would it be? Kobe?
Maybe if it’s Kobe, the courtship has begun. Maybe Kobe realizes Phil Jackson doesn’t have “it” any more and will soon be incapacitated by his back back and age. Maybe Kobe realizes Nate has 2 years left on his deal and turned down the chance to negotiate an extension.
Will next be the Laker’s head coach 2 years from now?
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 24, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
PS. Nate should take the medal to the top of Diamond Head and give it to the basketball gods by throwing it toward the ocean...
(you know, had to get my Hawaii dig in there)
by Bust a Bucket on Sep 24, 2008 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I heard something about the rings too. After reading Barrett, I assumed they were given a replica. Maybe China had some extra medals left over and just let people grab them out of a grab bag at the airport.
Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision
by tominhawaii on Sep 25, 2008 4:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like leis?
"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics
by MiledAnimal on Sep 25, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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