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Portland's Seeding Possibilities

With a new dawn breaking for the Portland Trail Blazers, seeing Greg Oden’s sunny face peeking over the horizon, one of the hot questions of the moment is, “What kind of playoff seed could the Blazers earn this year, providing they even make it?”

 

I will pre-warn you, the only fair way I can see to discuss these things is to try my best to take off the “fan” hat and look at the Blazers as I would any other team.  If these same players were wearing Clippers uniforms what would we think?  That’s what we should think when they’re wearing ours too.  I understand that this is not 100% possible, since I am a devoted fan, so I tend to take my best, most unbiased guess and then shave even a little more off it to compensate.  It certainly would be possible, maybe more uplifting, to take a rosier view, but at some point that becomes an exercise in auto-eroticism and thus terribly uninteresting to anyone but the author and folks who already think like him.  I’m not into that…at least not in public.

 

People on the other end of the spectrum will no doubt chime in with, “How can you begin to speculate about the playoffs when the team hasn’t been there in five years, is celebrating the arrival of three key rookies, and hasn’t played a game yet this season?”  To them I say, “Look in the sky.  If you see clouds, there’s a decent chance it could rain.  You can say it hasn’t yet, but I’m bringing my umbrella just in case.”  You could point to the growth of the team in recent years, Brandon Roy’s All-Star season, Lamarcus Aldridge’s continuing development, Greg Oden’s long shadow, the 41-41 record…the list goes on.  But one the most indicative signs is simply that you’re reading this.  One cardinal rule has held true throughout Blazer history:  you never hear about the Blazers until they’re good.  When did the nation first become aware of Clyde Drexler and company, who turned out to be one of the best teams of their era?  Not until they hit the ’89-’90 Finals.  When did you first start paying attention to Rasheed Wallace?  Not until the Blazers got to the Western Conference Finals against San Antonio in ’99.  This team is completely anonymous--the anti-publicity vortex.  But guess who is on the “must-see” and “here they come” list of most every national pundit out there?  If the Blazers are getting noticed, something is happening.  And the fact that they’re getting noticed this early, before anything has gone down on the court, ought to tell you that something interesting--obviously interesting--is brewing in Portland.  With apologies to their fan bases, you’re not reading this kind of stuff about the Milwaukee Bucks, Charlotte Bobcats, or Memphis Grizzlies.  So spare us the “Oh my gosh, how can you SAY that, you typical fan?!?” speech.  Typical fans aren’t the only ones saying it.

 

On to the question at hand:  How high can the Blazers rise in the seeding?

 

Anyone who doesn’t have a screw loose would have to say that the L*kers, Hornets, and Spurs are among the top favorites in the West.  I know people are speculating about the Spurs’ age and health and we’ll get to that when we do the individual team previews.  For now let’s remember that people have been speculating about the Spurs’ decline for years.  They still win a ring in every odd-numbered season.  Their “decline” may mean that’s not as likely this year, but the idea that it would take them out of a top four seed in the West seems unfounded.  There’s no reasonable way to predict the Blazers would finish ahead of any of these three teams.

 

The next echelon, which may actually meld with the top, consists of very good teams (or at least potentially very good) who still have to prove that they’re among the elite.  The Rockets and Jazz fit neatly into this category.  Houston has battled injuries in the past and will have a chemistry puzzle to solve adding Ron Artest.  Their talent alone makes them formidable and their defense could be all-universe.  Utah lost no significant players from last year’s 54-win team.  Though there are rumblings about the long-term future of these players they still fit nearly seamlessly together.  If the Blazers were to pass either of these teams it’s a safe bet it would be because of their internal collapse as much as anything Portland did.  That’s not safe to bank on.  All five top seeds in the West are probably filled.

 

At this point we find the former-contenders who could be slipping:  Phoenix and Dallas.  The Suns snagged Robin Lopez in the draft but didn’t change their team materially.  They did win 55 last year and you’d never count a team with Steve Nash at the helm out of the playoffs but their relative position will depend as much on Shaq’s motivation and integration as it does upon any of their long-term players.  Last year Shaq looked like a Winnebago grill stuck on an Alfa Romeo.  Unless there’s a turn-around Phoenix will fall into the “good, not great” category.  Dallas still has a ton of talent, starting with Dirk Nowitzki and Josh Howard and ranging through names like Terry, Stackhouse, and Kidd.  A lot of that talent is aging.  The team was always kind of a fragile fit and their loss to Miami in the NBA Finals appears to have cracked the seams.  Last year’s Harris-for-Kidd deal smacked of desperation and the team will have to coalesce better than it did in the wake of that trade if it is to find the 50-win plateau again.

 

This is where the Blazers can examine legitimate possibilities.  There are a couple of “ifs” here.  The most obvious is, “IF the Blazers are very good.”  Very good is a relative term, compared to how the team has played.  The gap between 41 wins and 50 has traditionally been wider than 9 games.  41 wins is the hallmark of mediocrity.  50 wins has long been the barometer for good teams.  There’s a possibility if the players remain healthy and the team comes together extremely quickly that the Blazers could get into the upper 40’s, maybe even the low 50’s at the most hopeful edge, putting them within shouting distance of these two traditional powerhouses.  That brings up the second “if”:  “IF those other teams struggle.”  There’s good reason to think that both Phoenix and Dallas are more vulnerable than they have been in years.  There’s also ample reason to respect their achievements. 

 

It seems reasonable to speculate that one of these teams could fall.  It’s possible to speculate that the Blazers could ascend to their height.  Both happening at the same time is less likely.  Speculating that both teams will fall while the Blazers also rise to the 50-win mark probably goes too far.  If that did happen, it would be dancing in the streets time, but we’re trying to keep it real here.  This, then, defines the upper limit of what the Blazers could reasonably (as opposed to wishfully) hope for:  one of those teams slips and the Blazers play very well, leaving Portland in the seventh spot.  It’s possible that both Phoenix and Dallas stay above the 50-win mark this year and Portland doesn’t, meaning a good season would net the 8th spot.

 

The last teams to be considered are those with decent track records who either slipped last season or are in flux because of off-season occurrences.  Right now this group includes Golden State and Denver but it’s worthy to note that Portland itself would fall under this category if anything happened to Greg Oden or if Brandon Roy’s recovery went slower than speculated.  The Warriors struggled mightily last season.  They also had considerable turnover in the off-season, losing Baron Davis and picking up Corey Magette.  The biggest question plaguing them is the condition of Monta Ellis’ ankle.  With him on the floor, adding in Magette, Stephen Jackson, Al Harrington, and Andris Biedrins, they always have a puncher’s chance of winning the fight.  Without him they’re fielding a lot of B to B+ level talent against a stacked Western Conference.  The situation is similar in Denver with Allen Iverson and Carmelo Anthony.  The loss of Marcus Camby may hurt more than they realize but they can always try to outscore you.  Either of these teams could be good but neither seems poised to make a jump in the standings.  The chances that they could fall are greater than the chances that they will rise.  Nevertheless both finished ahead of Portland in the standings last year, so the Blazers will have to rise significantly in order to overtake them if they remain even.  Fortunately Portland is in the best position to gain ground among these three teams.

 

Using the same common sense we applied to Phoenix and Dallas, it’s possible that one of these two turmoil teams could recover enough to stay ahead of Portland, though it might be by the slimmest of margins.  It seems improbable that both will make the playoffs this year.  This defines the lower end of the expectations for the Blazers.  Should one of these teams edge Portland out along with either Phoenix or Dallas, Portland would find the 8th spot.  If Phoenix and Dallas plus one of these teams stayed ahead, it’s the infamous #9 seed and no playoffs.  Unless disaster befalls the Blazers it’s hard to imagine all four of the borderline teams posting better records than Portland.

 

The one saving grace in the West is that none of the teams who finished behind Portland last year have much chance of reaching the playoffs.  Sacramento is not a team on the rise.  The Clippers were hamstrung by the departure of Elton Brand and getting Baron Davis is a consolation prize.  Everybody else is so far down the well that a fleet of backhoes couldn’t get them out this year.

 

With the four teams finishing in the 6th-9th positions in the West last year in flux it probably won’t take 50 wins to make the playoffs again.  It’s certainly possible that 50 wins will only get you the 7th seed, however.  Even 47-48 wins may mean a fight in the last weeks of the season to grab a spot.  Given those parameters a finish between 7th-9th in the West is a reasonable range for the Blazers with 7th or 8th being the clear targets and 9th being a disappointment.  Any finish higher than that should be viewed as spectacular.  Any finish lower would be quite poor.

 

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
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My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Sep 18, 2008 11:32 PM PDT   0 recs

No, I'm pretty sure

the 1st seed is out of our reach. Way to be optimistic, though.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 18, 2008 11:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

There is probably no more terrible instance of enlightenment than the one in which you discover your father is a man — with human flesh.
Paul Muad'Dib - Dune (Frank Herbert)

My Translation: My Dad is a dude just like me, and my sons are dudes like me also. I love that.
Season Tix: Section 315, with my sons

by johnv59 on Sep 19, 2008 12:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

1st in NW.

     I’ve been on record for month’s at 55-27.
1st in the NW and home court in the 1st
round. 3rd or 4th seed comes with Division
winner and like 1976-1977; It could happen.
     We’ve both seen it happen Dave. This squad
is special, especially with GO the BEAST.
Too big and strong for 95% of the centers and
too quick for the other 5%. Why do you think
I got called a G_ _ F, when I was merely forcasting
upon the experience of 30 + years of BLAZERMANIA !
     Now . . .
           PLEASE get a DEAL DONE, COINCAST !!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Sep 19, 2008 3:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"G__F"?!?

I have no idea what that represents.

What is this . . . “Hangman”?

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Sep 19, 2008 5:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Doubles Doods

Double Barrels

Double aughts

Boom Boom

"You better come harder than that, little man, your makin' me laugh" G.O.

by BlueBooYay on Sep 19, 2008 8:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Not i i

or
(click me)

"You better come harder than that, little man, your makin' me laugh" G.O.

by BlueBooYay on Sep 19, 2008 9:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

GOOF...I think

"I figured out how to get the canoe down the mountain, but I will need a snow blower and all your butter"-Michael Kelso

by 92wastheyear on Sep 20, 2008 9:49 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

O-72, O-75

BINGO!

"You better come harder than that, little man, your makin' me laugh" G.O.

by BlueBooYay on Sep 20, 2008 10:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

WoMBaT

It depends on injuries.

Speculating otherwise is a waste of money, brains, and time.

If monkeys had wings, could they fly? And what would Judy Garland say?

ASK ME ABOUT PULLING MY FINGER!

by Farty MacFartson on Sep 18, 2008 11:57 PM PDT   0 recs

Not taking a stand

Dave, while I appreciate the honest analysis, you fail to take a stand on your own two footed opinion. Ok, so we finish 7th in the Jerry Stackhoused Western Conference. It is where the Blazers should land barring injury, oppositional destruction, preferential treatment among league refs and the lucky bug. However, you still don’t tell us where YOU think these playoff thirsty gym rats of ours are likely finish the season. Or, are you just saving your actual prediction for a later post?

by PtownJake on Sep 19, 2008 12:05 AM PDT   0 recs

7th-9th isn't a stand?

That’s actually a fairly narrow range compared to what some are speculating. If I had to guess I’d say we would end up with the 8th seed by winning in the 46-49 range, but that’s just a guess. We’re probably going to dig a hole in the early season that we’ll have to get out of. How our confidence stands after the first six weeks of the season will determine a lot.

In any case I’m not really big on specific predictions. If anybody really could do that they wouldn’t be blogging, they’d be making millions in Vegas. Besides I’ve heard way too many people go back and only cite the predictions they made right, ignoring the 3/4 of them they blew. Besides people end up making purposely wild predictions just so they can look like geniuses the one time in fifty they come true. Sure you hit the inside straight every once in a blue moon, but that doesn’t mean it’s smart to draw to it. In short, I can’t tell you where Portland will end up, just where they will probably end up if things go to form.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 19, 2008 1:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I only make predictions

I know will happen. Which is why I predicted the Blazers will win 55 games this year. Ofcourse I may have also said they would win 50 in another post, but my most recent prediction is the most valid so I will stand with that until I need to predict it again.

by usmcr3049 on Sep 19, 2008 8:13 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If healthy

55 wins. That will be somewhere between 3rd and 6th seed, depending on the health of other teams and how questions about chemistry in LA and Houston resolve themselves.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 19, 2008 12:37 AM PDT   0 recs

I predict

86 wins, including the game where Oden yanks down the rim so hard that the Rose Garden collapses into a black hole taking away all of CERN’s glory…

+1 for the apocalypse…

I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.

by Eat Politicians on Sep 19, 2008 12:38 AM PDT   0 recs

I think that dunk would

also have to show evidence of the Higgs Boson for a dunk like that to take away CERNs glory.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 20, 2008 11:42 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

CERN's LHC is leakin'

Black Holes?

We need these dunks to happen, for Science and PTB Fans alike.

"You better come harder than that, little man, your makin' me laugh" G.O.

by BlueBooYay on Sep 20, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

maybe

but we would need a a theory that mates quantum mechanics onto curved space times to even predict the occurrence of blackholes and then we would need a way of separating the hawking radiation from the anisotropic (not the same at all points in space) cosmic microwave background to detect their presence.

Probably not happening anytime soon. Apparently the media has missed the point of the LHC and has chose to focus on the possibilities of black holes, but since the current energy of the LHC is less than that of other particle acclerators, why isnt the media worrying about black holes in those accelerators?

Silly

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 20, 2008 2:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Obviously it's a big "if," but ...

If Oden comes out strong and doesn’t tire out during the season — and also if any one of Rudy, Bayless or Webster reaches his potential — then you have to look at the Blazers from other teams’ point of view for a second. They’re going to be saying, “How do we stop that guy in the middle? And even if we do, how do we handle the rest of those guys? Our bench can’t even match up to their bench. We just don’t have an answer for that team.”

I do think the Blazers will have three drawbacks:

- They won’t always gel.
- They’ll start to get tired later in the season.
- They’ll struggle against a more experienced playoff team.

And yet, name a team that can just put the Blazers away. I think the Blazers are going to be everybody else’s problem instead of the other way around, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see them finish very high.

by Kaboomm on Sep 19, 2008 1:31 AM PDT   0 recs

Agree.

The opposite teams will have a lot of problems at every position if our team play completely all out all the time, both in offense and defense, using its depth at the bench. What will be their prize after they have fought against our starters?. A fresh player almost so good as the starter and who plays also completely all out all the time. We can do that because we have many players who can create their own shot, we won´t be depending on our starters or a single player (I mean Outlaw last season) to keep scoring. The Blazers have players to play many different systems, so it will be tough for opposite coaches and players. But it doesn´t work out if Dave is right and we need Oden, LMA and Roy playing 38 minutes per game instead of about 30-32 minutes.

 

s there are that depth and variety of players The team can play

The Midnight Rambler. Born to make mistakes.

by amlmart1 on Sep 19, 2008 2:43 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I question the fandom of people who think the Blazers will lose a game

No rational person can honestly expect this team to lose a game. When your worst player is Raef LaFrenz, you’re team is stacked! I think that guy was an all star once.

I won’t make a prediction now, simply because every now and then a team gets lucky and steals a game. The Blazers have like 17 all stars on the roster and now Nate, from his Olympic experience, knows how to coach a roster full of all stars.

This discussion should be about the Blazers being the first team ever to have 8 all stars in one season and be the first team to go undefeated in the NBA.

Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision

by tominhawaii on Sep 20, 2008 4:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sorry, Tom

but I do think the Blazers will lose a game or two.

This year, that is.

I also think we’ll probably only have 6 all-stars this year. League politics and all that will make it hard to get more.

And only five of our guys will be all-star starters, even though eight of them will deserve it.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 21, 2008 8:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Your fandom is on notice!

Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision

by tominhawaii on Sep 21, 2008 3:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think

that most people had already noticed my fan dumb.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 22, 2008 12:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No, but I did notice that joke dumb!

"Personally, I'd rather give an elephant a prostate exam on Chili Day." --Dave on rooting for the Lakers or Celtics

by MiledAnimal on Sep 22, 2008 12:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LOL

That is no great accomplishment.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 22, 2008 10:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't STRONGLY disagree

But there’s a couple points to be made. First, Oden and Rudy aren’t typical rookies. GO has had the advantage of spending a season watching and travelling with his soon-to-be team. He’s received coaching, watched film, gotten NBA fitness training, even walked thru practices. So he’s really a “rookie & a half” at worst. As for Rudy, he’s been a pro hoopster for many years now, and has played at a high level on the international stage—including against the US Olympians. So while these guys will need to go thru an adjustment process in adapting to the NBA, I expect them to be playing like young veterans by midseason.

The other point: one injury to a key Jazz player (with the Blazers staying healthy), and the Blazers get the #4 seed. (Sorry Nuggets fans, but without Camby your team is toast.) Not to jinx the Jazz, but I think they’re about due for some misfortune. All teams run into it from time to time…

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Sep 19, 2008 2:01 AM PDT   0 recs

Something I mentioned once before...

…is the late Stephen J. Gould’s theory of “punctuated equilibium.” Not that long ago, it was universally accepted that evolution is a very slow, gradual process. But Gould discovered that, in fact, things tend to remain unchanged for a long time, then suddenly snap into a new state of equilbrium. For species, this means going unchanged for millions of years, then dramatically transforming—or going extinct—in a span of as little as a few generations. For basketball teams, it can mean going from the top to the cellar, or from the cellar to championship contention, in just a season or two.

Ironically, the Trailblazers are one of the teams that has experienced a dramatic leap forward: from missing the playoffs in ‘’75-’76 to winning it all in ‘76-’77. They were extremely young—like the current Blazer team—but they had a great young center and an infusion of talented players who were rookies in name only (Lucas and Twardzic). Along with these factors, the team had a culture of unselfishness and teamwork. Sound familiar?

Does that mean I expect the Blazers to win a championship this season? No. (I’m not "Hurryup ‘09 for nothing!) But it could happen. And they CERTAINLY could beat out the Jazz for the 4th seed. The key for this team will be to not go into an early tailspin as they suffer through a tough early schedule while figuring out how to play together. And a timely injury or two to the Jazz wouldn’t hurt. (Sorry Jazz fans!)

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Sep 19, 2008 2:18 AM PDT to parent up   1 recs

Now what came earlier, the "Tipping Point" or the "Punctuated Equilibrium" :-)

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by Norsktroll on Sep 19, 2008 2:47 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good "point."

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Sep 19, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Last year's Celtics anyone?

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by ghostdog on Sep 19, 2008 4:32 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's cool to jinx the Jazz.

No worries.

Blazers Edge has an alarmist vision

by tominhawaii on Sep 20, 2008 4:52 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good analysis, and I agree with the 7th or 8th seed as a realistic target (as I project us to have a little less than 50 wins)

I have not much to add to your statements about the teams still ranking above or around us (I think Dallas will be better than at the end of last year with two good additions and a new coaching style, but that’s just me). Yet you are really underestimating one team by only mentioning them in one passing sentence: THE LA CLIPPERS

Don’t laugh, I’m not a fan of the team, and I think losing Brand hurt them enormously as compared to a Brand-Baron team that would be almost a lock for the playoffs every year. But they can still put on a good fight. A) They didn’t have him almost all season, just like we didn’t have Oden, so nothing is lost compared to a year ago. B) They recovered pretty quickly from that defection, and managed to get Camby for nothing from Denver. You say his loss “may hurt more than they realize”, and I agree since he is one of the best defensive big men at least on the weak side on an awful defensive team. But then, why should he not also help the Clippers a lot? He is angry and wants to prove that this “trade” was ridiculous, and if Kaman 2.0 shows up again that’s a potent front court able to hang with the best in the West. Add to that Tim Thomas and their two or three other big men, and they have a nice depth of good players there.

Same goes for the PG position, Baron Davis backed up by Jason Williams and Jason Hart is arguably better than in whatever order you sort our PGs. On small forward, the additional loss of Maggette as their top scorer hurts, but Thornton showed signs of being a player not much unlike Travis last season and should be a solid starter for them. And Ricky Davis is an awful defender and locker room cancer, but offensively you could just as well start him. On SG Mobley is declining, but still okay, and they found a nice backup with Gordon in the draft who should be able to contribute a bit from the beginning.

To me, that looks like a team with a good mix of experience and youth able to sneak into the playoffs just as well as our more talented but still very young team. I think we finish ahead of the Clippers, but that’s not guaranteed in any way.

St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind.

by Norsktroll on Sep 19, 2008 2:07 AM PDT   0 recs

Good points

…except the one about Ricky Davis. That was a stretcher. Davis is a cancer in EVERY respect. He can score, but not with a game on the line. I LOVE to see him in the opposing team’s line-up. Poor character always reveals itself under pressure…

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Sep 19, 2008 2:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He is inconsistent game to game, but over a season he has put up the same numbers for about five years now

Last year he even improved his 3pt shooting to over 40%. And played again in 82 games, coming right into his prime, which is important on a team that also has guys like Mobley who could crack down without notice.
Mike Dunleavy Sr. will get (or lose) a few more grey hairs over him, but if he manages to keep Davis even somewhat motivated I think that was a decent pick up for the Clippers (and a horrible lease by Miami, since they gave a draft pick and took on Blount to get him for a year).

St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind.

by Norsktroll on Sep 19, 2008 2:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus Davis has a way of

motivating opponents.

"Screw the chalupa – it’s the victory I want." --timg56

by MiledAnimal on Sep 19, 2008 10:39 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Numbers, schmumbers

Stats are so overrated. Guys like Davis put up points in bunches during garbage time—not when it counts. Compare that to a guy like Brandon Roy, who scores at key moments—for instance to stop another team’s run. Can I cite stats to prove my point? Sorry. But I’ve seen enough of Ricky Davis to know he’s a stat-monger, not a winner.

I’ll never forget the game vs the Blazers two seasons ago, when Davis scored and talked trash all game long. Then at the end, after he failed to intimidate LMA at the foul line, Davis had a wide-open 12-footer to win the game for the Clips. Air ball!! (Or did the shot barely chip the front rim? My memory may have enhanced that glorious failure.)

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Sep 19, 2008 11:16 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oops

Davis wasn’t a Clipper then, was he? There’s that foggy memory again.

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Sep 19, 2008 11:18 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That would have been Minnesota or even Boston

Yeah, Davis is too selfish and never made the most out of his undeniable potential. I wouldn’t want to rest my team on his shoulders. But they got him for a fair contract, and he should be able to contribute and make up for the loss of Maggette together with the other wings. And Dave tried to discuss rather team performance than individual players, so I know this is already going into too much detail.

St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind.

by Norsktroll on Sep 19, 2008 11:45 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Miami?

he hasnt been with Boston for a while now.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 20, 2008 12:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If the Los Angeles Clippers could somehow ...

package Cuttino Mobley, Tim Thomas, and a 2009 first-round draft pick (via the Minnesota Timberwolves {Top-10 Protected Through 2011 & Unprotected In 2012}) to the New Jersey Nets for Vince Carter and Sean Williams, then that team would be a force to be reckoned with this season. That’d get Carter out of New Jersey and place him nearby one of his harshest critics, Phil Jackson, which’d provide him the opportunity to redeem his tarnished image as a failure and a quitter.

Anyhow, with the recent acquisition of Marcus Camby — whose face-to-the-basket game on offense and talents as a weakside help defender have always made him a natural power forward rather than a traditional pivotman — Elgin Baylor might as well make another big splash to allow the Clippers a legitimate chance to immediately contend for the playoffs. A potential lineup of Chris Kaman, Camby, Al Thornton, Carter, and Baron Davis would create a potent quintet.

by AK1984 on Sep 19, 2008 7:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

sorry, I just don't see it

The clippers are mis-mash of players who’s games don’t fit together well. Davis is a selfish point guard, Kaman is a Center who needs to be fed in the post to be effective, Davis is a chucker without a cause, Thornton is an unknown who has only shown some flashes, and while Camby is good defensively, it is not enough to overcome the expressway that will be lane. The Clippers really screwed up by not resigning Brand, with Brand they were a 7-8th seed, without him they are below .500.

by usmcr3049 on Sep 19, 2008 8:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I was gonna comment about the same thing

I’m not sure whether the Clips will be able to put the pieces that they have together, but I thought they deserved more than a passing sentence. I would put them more towards the Golden State/Denver group as one of the ones that the Blazers should be playing against them like they are playing a playoff game every time they meet up.

by einman77 on Sep 19, 2008 11:08 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I say 48 wins and an 8th seed

I don’t really expect Oden to come out and win games for us until late in the season. I’m looking for improved play from Martell and pleasant surprises from Rudy and Bayless to keep us afloat until Oden really arrives. I think Aldridge too will become more of a force for us taking away from Brandon’s fame a little. If all of this plays out I can see us winning 47-50 games. I’m callin the Spurs as a 7th seed too. Lookin forward to that matchup with the l*kers.

by Croatian_Sensation on Sep 19, 2008 2:42 AM PDT   0 recs

An "unbiased opinion" from a Nuggets fan

Jeremy from Pickaxe And Roll says (in a post eerily similar to this one, but about The Nugs…)

As far as Portland, I could see them finishing with 55 wins and I could see them finishing with 41 again. I believe there will be an adjustment period as they add Greg Oden to their rotation and I also think Oden will struggle too, at least over the first month or two of the season. On the other hand a crunch time lineup of Brandon Roy, Rudy Fernandez, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Oden and Travis Outlaw/Jerryd Bayless/Martell Webster sounds pretty formidable.

Link

" the project of Portland brings me good sensations..."
- Rudy Fernandez
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by ghostdog on Sep 19, 2008 5:12 AM PDT   0 recs

That's the most sensible Blazers season prediction I've yet heard.

Anything between 41 and 55 is not merely possible, but would even be unsurprising.

How can I give this “Jeremy” a rec?

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Sep 19, 2008 5:56 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

6th Seed

52 wins. I have high hopes, can you blame me? Trust me, I would settle for 8th. However, while watching the last game of the season against Phoenix I made a little “friendly” wager with a friend of mine. I said we would be 6th (and this was before Rudy commited to coming over). I bet $100. So, not only would I be extremely happy if we made the playoffs at all, let alone 6th, I would be $100 richer :)

"It is an unique experience that I wanted to live. Turns out well or bad, I will have lived through it and it would not be a failure if I return soon. I am ready for this challenge "
~Rudy Fernandez

Ugh..."Rudy Fernandez will go to Portland next Sunday accompanied of his mother, Maite, who will live with him in Portland the first two years". Not cool Rudy, not cool.

by twiggs on Sep 19, 2008 7:03 AM PDT   0 recs

That's a great game to make a bet during

Portland didn’t even seem to bother showing up that night, any fan would think they stunk.

by Timmay! on Sep 19, 2008 10:01 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't have a clue as to what seed they will get.

I’m not going to predict something without at least having some idea of what this team looks like out on the floor. Let alone how other teams are going to perform.

As I’ve stated before, I think Greg Oden represents an additional ten wins. The trick is, does the rest of the team play at least to the level they did last season. If so, then Portland should crack the 50 win mark. Doing that would be my objective for this team. Where that puts us in the playoff seeding is anybody’s guess. It should at least get us in the playoffs. Once there, anything can happen.

I also think that one of the early keys for the Blazers will be how the officials react to Oden. I don’t remember specifically how Shaq was called his first few seasons in the league. I seem to recall that the officials gave him wide latitude almost from the start. The guy was so big and so fast and so overpowering that they hadn’t really seen a player like that. The result was they tended to overlook the fact he travelled on almost every play and saw the contact in terms of the defender trying to react, not O’Neill barrelling into them.

From what I’m hearing, Oden’s footwork is far superior to what Shaq’s was. And everyone is saying he is a physical beast on the court, not only the biggest player, but one of the fastest. If the officials give him any benefit of doubt on contact calls, Oden is going to be unstoppable down low and will be getting lots of opportunity at the charity stripe. Should this happen, Greg will have a major impact even if he has to spend half the game on the bench due to defensive fouls. That’s pretty much the worst case as I see it. Oden should be able to average 15 pts and 10 rebounds with just 25 minutes of PT. Plug that into the starting lineup and you get at least 5 extra victories.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 19, 2008 7:33 AM PDT   0 recs

I've got the Portland Trailblazers ...

finishing at the 8th seed with a 44-38 record.

by AK1984 on Sep 19, 2008 7:38 AM PDT   0 recs

Dave...
an exercise in auto-eroticism

“seeding” takes on a second meaning here, doesn’t it? Intended? If so, hilarious.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 19, 2008 8:24 AM PDT   0 recs

Good thing we don't have Kemp anymore.

Although when it comes time to reap what he hath sown, we’ll have a close look at Junior.

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Sep 19, 2008 8:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol

very nice…

have seen one of the shawn kemp jr.’s play, and he can ball.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 19, 2008 8:36 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm a little slow

It took me four or five times reading this to get it. Then I smiled. Then I pictured Kemp making babies left and right … like, the act of it … and I winced. Now I feel dirty, with a little remorse. Probably a lot like the the feeling you get after making babies left and right.

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Sep 19, 2008 11:38 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

"If these same players were wearing Clippers uniforms what would we think?"

I’d cry my eyes out ….

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Sep 19, 2008 8:25 AM PDT   0 recs