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The Right Coach(?)

You may have noticed that of all the things we've discussed this summer, coaching has been largely absent from the main page.  This has been somewhat intentional on my part.  Frankly we get too much coaching discussion sometimes during the regular season.  The old saw that a coach gets too much credit when things go right and too much blame when things go wrong holds a fair amount of truth.  Except I'm far more cynical than the wise man who said that.  My version is simpler:  It's always they coach's fault...until we win.  It's actually been refreshing to go a few months without going back and forth about coaching.

Nevertheless we should talk a little bit about it, since we've been discussing plenty of players and playing styles.  Coaching does matter.  So I'd like to know whether you think Coach McMillan is the best (or at least right) coach for this team now, and if so for how far in the future do you foresee that holding true?  An alternate way to look at that second part would be, what needs to happen in order for that to remain true, either in terms of benchmarks or in terms of the team makeup that suits Coach McMillan?  If you do not think Coach is the best guy for the job, who would you rather have?  That would have to be a guy you think would come as well as working out.

For myself I tend to think Nate is the best guy for the job right now.  Starting from an abysmal situation that would make most prospective coaches cringe and then run, he has built up the team's confidence and level of play.  His record has improved each year.  41 wins was an extraordinary total last year given the conditions and the competition in the West.  Plus, despite expectations, this is still a young team.  Nate is a fine teacher.  He has surrounded himself with a staff that also likes to teach and he invests them with responsibility.  He won't coach against his convictions which sets standards for the players he oversees.  Unless and until this team actually wins something that's exactly the kind of shaping they need.  Plus there's the simple fact that this team has a ton more to learn.

As far as the future, I have a hard time thinking of anybody who's actually going to be available who would be a better candidate.  Most of the names people consider A-level are already coaching with Western Conference contenders.  Some of the best coaches are better suited for veteran squads on the verge than up-and-coming teams, and Portland is still a ways from that.  I suppose if Coach K ever wanted to leave the cozy confines of college and try the NBA, providing conditions were favorable (i.e. the Blazers aren't coming off of a 60-win season), Paul Allen would probably throw the coffers wide open for him, and rightly so.  I thought as much even before this summer but the Olympics gave him exposure working with NBA players, successfully so.  The most impressive thing was not the gold medal, but that it apparently meant so much to the players involved.  That coaching staff made NBA players care, which speaks well of them.  But then again Nate was part of that staff...

Anyway, I'll throw the floor open at this point.  Give us your thoughts and ideas about the coaching situation.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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so I think Nate is probably our best option.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 15, 2008 11:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point there Dave
Frankly we get too much coaching discussion sometimes during the regular season. The old saw that a coach gets too much credit when things go right and too much blame when things go wrong holds a fair amount of truth.

If we can make it through the first twenty so games without a “Fire Nate!” fanpost, I’ll be amazed.

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 15, 2008 11:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Fire Nate!

Knee jerk reaction. I had a tough day at work and needed someone to blame.

by einman77 on Sep 16, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate's done a nice job so far

Its possible another coach will come in and take us to the top if Nate can’t get us there, but for now we haven’t seen anything to suggest a change will be needed in the near future.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Sep 15, 2008 11:31 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure who said it

But sometime last season someone pointed out that Nate seems to learn along side his players. Many adjustments were made last year, on the part of players and coaches alike. We wound up at .500. With the ability of our coaching staff to “Adapt and Overcome”, why would we want to change it?

by coastrider on Sep 15, 2008 11:33 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Even though it wasn't your thought originally

I still gave you the rec. That is a great point.

by einman77 on Sep 16, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think a number of us said that

I know I made the point that he was learning with a brand new team and then those disgruntled people who wanted to fire nate started coming around when we started winning and agreeing that he learned but wished he learned sooner. My thoughts are he wanted to be sure what he was seeing wasn’t a fluke, could be worked out, and show that he had faith. After all, you don’t want to damage young developing egos when you need those same healthy egos when you go into the play-offs.

The point is, Nate DID learn, and I’ll take the guy who learns and adapts over the guy who refuses to modify his system ANY day of the week.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Sep 16, 2008 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate is a good coach.

I’ve been satisfied with his coaching for the most part. He has made some questionable substitutions (or lack of) but for the most part he’s just the right type of coach a young impressionable team needs. One that doesn’t take crap from players and doesn’t treat the stars like the stars.

Granted he has some favorites, but thats normal for any coach. I like him and hope he can be the guy to coach us to a ring.

by Bskey on Sep 16, 2008 12:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As far as your Coach K-to-Blazers scenario goes, can you picture this two years from now?

KP: Hey Mr. Allen, now that we’ve had two 55 win seasons, two Western Conference Finals apperances, one Western Conference Final Series Win, one NBA Finals appearance, and one NBA Finals Series Win, don’t you think we could use a top-level coach?

PA: Kevin, I’ve told you a thousand times. Call me Paul. And yeah, I think you’re right! Nate just isn’t getting things done for us. I mean, 1 and 1 in the last two Finals appearances?! Come on. That’s like…[pulls out laptop and opens “Calculator” ]…..uhh….50 percent! Jack Ramsey’s win percentage in his Finals appearances as the Blazers’ coach is like….100 percent!

KP: Jack who? I thought we traded that guy two years ago!

PA: No dingbat—our coach! From the ’77 team…you know….our other championship team?

KP: Yeah I remember reading something about those guys….

PA: Anyway, like you were saying. I think we definitely could use a better coach. What about that Terry Porter guy? The fans sure seemed to love the “Honor Terry Porter” campaign last year when we retired his jersey.

KP: Naww he just signed a big extension with the Suns. Besides, he wasn’t really that good. We did that just to shut up those annoying bloggers.

PA: Hmm well how ’bout uhh…Sam Cassell? I heard he wants a head coaching position.

KP: Yehh…but his bald head makes him look like an alien. I don’t think the fans would like him.

PA: Ok….well Mister Smarty Pants! YOU come up with a candidate.

KP: How ‘bout that Special K guy from Duke? After all, he’s obviously better than Nate. Didn’t you see he was head coach of USA basketball team two years ago? Nate was just a puny little assistant.

PA: You mean Coach K? Yeh he might work. Give him a call.

[ring] [ring]

Coach K: Hello?

KP: Hey there Mr. K! This is Kevin Pritchard from the Portland Trail Blazers. How’s it going?

Coach K: Hello there Mr. Pritchard! I’m doing well. And for the record, it’s Coach K., not Mister K.

KP: Ok whatever. Anyway, you want to leave Duke and come take over our basketball squad? We’re firing Nate.

Coack K: Sure! I’d love to. I haven’t had a good coaching season here at Duke since Grant Hill and Christian Laettner left. You think we might be able pick either of them up in a trade?

KP: We’ll see what we can do Mr. K

Coach K: Alright, sounds good! And again, it’s Coach K.

PA: Hey Coach K….this is Paul Allen. I’ll put you on payroll right away. When can you show up?

Coach K: Well my boys have finals this week and I told them if they played ball I’d make sure they pass….so…better wait at least a couple weeks until grades are posted.

KP: No problem…you can share a place with Rebecca Harlow, one of our highest-paid staff members, until you can find a place of your own.

Coach K: Alright sounds good. Say…this will be my first year coaching in the NBA. You guys won’t mind if it takes me a few years to get a ring, will you? And how much am I going to get paid?

KP: You’ll be paid enough, Mr. K. We can assure you of that, right Mr. Allen?

PA: Definitely. It won’t be a problem. And don’t worry about getting adjusted. We’ll evaluate your position on this team year by year. I mean, it’s not like we’re going to fire you if you’re putting up good results. And by the way Kevin, it’s Paul.

Coach K: And it’s Coach K, not Mr. K. Get it straight Mr. Pritchard. But yes, that sounds like a plan.

KP: Alright, sounds good. Team meeting two Mondays from today. Be there or be square.
 
Coach K: Aight, see ya. And by the way, in basketball, it’s not called a square. It’s called a box.

KP: Bye Mr. K.

[Click]

8 Years Later, summertime

KP: So Mr. Allen, what do you think? One championship in the last eight years. Pretty good, ehh?

PA: Yeah that’s terrific! That’s like [pulls out laptop and opens "Calculator]…uhhh….12.5%!

KP: Yeh that’s pretty good. Now that Mr. K’s retired, who do you think we should hire?

[buzz buzz]

KP: Hold on, just got a text message. It says, “Thx 4 the goodbye card. Will miss u guys…and the checks. Give my regards 2 Mr. Allen. Sincerely, COACH K.”

PA: Yeah I’m gonna’ miss that guy. Anyway, there’s always that Nate guy we let go a while back. I’m sure now that he’s got 7 rings with the Lakers, he’d be thrilled to come to our team to work on his ninth and tenth.

KP: Hmmm yeah….but I remember we fired him for a reason. He couldn’t seem to win very many championships with us or something.

PA: Yeh maybe so. We sure wouldn’t have fired him for no reason. Hmm…maybe we could get Sam Cassell?

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 16, 2008 12:15 AM PDT reply actions   2 recs

You receive a rec...

for using boldface type repeatedly without any obvious errors.

And for the visual of PA opening “calculator”.

by lukeyhere on Sep 16, 2008 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I figured that was the only thing that might get a rec

The content certainly wasn’t about to get recs ;-)

In order for a telephone call to work as a vehicle of humor, it really has to poke fun at OTHER GMs, players, teams, etc.

But nevertheless, couldn’t help myself.

"I think that the team that wins game five will win the series. Unless we lose game five."
Who else? Charles Barkley

by prezofdeath on Sep 16, 2008 10:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coach Nate gets much of the credit for USA Gold

just as Coach Thibodeau got the credit for Boston’s championship last year because they won with defense, the USA team won with defense as well. Coach Nate was the defense assignment. Getting LeBron and Carmello to be defenders is a huge achievement. And they loved him for it according to their after-tournament comments.

I would like Coach Nate to become the next Jerry Sloan in terms of longevity. With KP tuning the roster and Tom Penn managing the salary cap with Mr Allen’s commitment to spending the money needed there is no reason why Coach Nate would need to go elsewhere.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Sep 16, 2008 3:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hey!

Lebron loved Nate? Think he loved him enough to come here for the MLE in 2010? I think that would strengthen our SF situation.

Oops. Carmello loved Nate, too? Urgh. Fire him.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 16, 2008 4:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think last year's record speaks volumes to McMillan's abilities as a coach.

We had the youngest team in the league last year, third youngest in the history of the NBA. On top of that, our first round draft pick, #1 overall, goes down for the season. Sure, we’ve got good players out there, but to pull out a .500 season is more than all but the homeriest of homers would have predicted. Reality pointed to another rebuilding year, a year of waiting. But I give McMillan a great deal of credit for getting this young team to believe in themselves. Not just Roy and Aldridge, they were already very mature for their age, but the whole team.

People get frustrated with the substitution patterns, and the coaching decisions that don’t end up working out. But when you step back and look at the completed product, I don’t know how anyone can say that the team would have been better off in the least bit without him.

Patience is important. Patience is what the front office has been preaching. Patience is what McMillan has been instilling in this young squad. And patience is the very thing that many fans of which have none. But patience pays off big in the end, whereas impatience almost always ends in loss.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

"In vino veritas." - Latin proverb
"Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine" - Martin Luther
"μηκέτι ὑδροπότει, ἀλλὰ οἴνῳ ὀλίγῳ χρῶ διὰ τὸν στόμαχον καὶ τὰς πυκνάς σου ἀσθενείας." - 1 Timothy 5:23

by T Darkstar on Sep 16, 2008 5:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I Vote For Nate

Put me in the “I like Nate” group. Each year, he has had to adjust to changes in his personnel, while often taking criticism for “questionable” substitutions. Yet what he has had to do is constantly mix and match as he looked for winning combinations. Next year will be no different. But it is an essential part of his job given the fact that he must contend with young players who are improving, in combination with new players. And each year, the differences in personnel and their abilities has forced him to rewrite the playbook, and to do so through-out the year. And next year, the changes will be every bit as dramatic as last year, or the year before.

Very few coaches in the league have had to deal with such a situation. Two years ago, the only starters still here were a rookie, Roy, and Pryz. Blake was not here, and Jack, Aldridge, Sergio, Webster and Outlaw were either rookies or too inexperienced to be reliable. Last year we picked up Blake, Jones and Frye, and this year we’re adding Oden, Bayless, Fernandez and Diogu, and Jones and Jack are gone.

it takes a magician to manage this, and still win. And Mac does.

by Eben Calder on Sep 16, 2008 6:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Echo and the future

I’ll echo the key points made earlier that Nate’s willingness to evolve as a coach while remaining true to his base principles and the results he’s attained are impressive. I too would like to see him win championships for decades to come here.

One of his bigger challenges in the future will be overcoming the manic expectations of the Blazer fans and even those in the organization. Even should he win a title or two many fans are like dependant drug users needing a bigger hit to reach the same high. For many he will never be good enough regardless of how well he does.

Place that against the reality that only 7 coaches have won titles in the last 20 years or so and only 4 of them are still coaching. It’s a very difficult club to get into.

Dave’s question of who would you rather have plays to how limited the better alternatives are in number. Let’s hope the Blazers management recognizes a good thing when it has it.

Free Joel Freeland! (with the purchase of 1 Wafer)

by LaughingJon on Sep 16, 2008 6:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’m with you on the manic expectations. Anyone who expects more than 8 championships in the next ten years is just being greedy. I don’t think we should criticize Nate if he gets 6, and only mild criticism if he wins 5. I realize I’m being a little lenient with him, but we need to be nice to Nate to pull in the former Sonics fans.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 16, 2008 6:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Five

is only 50%… We gotta have a winning record and so I will only go down to 6 before I start chanting to fire him.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Sep 16, 2008 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both you guys are soft.

Free Joel Freeland! (with the purchase of 1 Wafer)

by LaughingJon on Sep 16, 2008 10:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Nate most of the time

And I think he’s the best dressed coach in the league. Doesn’t that count for something?

"It is an unique experience that I wanted to live. Turns out well or bad, I will have lived through it and it would not be a failure if I return soon. I am ready for this challenge "
~Rudy Fernandez

Ugh..."Rudy Fernandez will go to Portland next Sunday accompanied of his mother, Maite, who will live with him in Portland the first two years". Not cool Rudy, not cool.

by twiggs on Sep 16, 2008 7:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

It got Riley some rings

Everybody thought it was Magic and later Wade who got the star treatment but it was the ref’s crush on Riley all along. I count Nate’s daper attire as the final piece in the puzzle, more so than a stellar 3.

Free Joel Freeland! (with the purchase of 1 Wafer)

by LaughingJon on Sep 16, 2008 7:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One thing is for sure.

This debate will start resolving itself in T-minus 1,858,865 seconds!

by DarthBlazer on Sep 16, 2008 7:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Hurray!

Let the season begin already. (groan)

The perfect is the enemy of the good.

by vavoom on Sep 16, 2008 7:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this is a pretty dumb question.

But then Dave has to come up with something for us.

What exactly does McMillan have yet to do to prove he’s a good coach?

He’s everything you look for in a coach. He is a teacher, a disciplinarian, a hard worker. He’s fair, honest and doesn’t throw his players under the bus. The man has integrity, a trait that should be valued. And he knows the game of basketball. Someone show me how many times he’s been out coached. Just who do you think is largely responsible for the Blazer’s record last season in close games and OT contests? That’s an excellent indicator of a good coach, particularly with a team as young as Portland.

I do not buy into the idea that it often takes a certain coach or style to win with a particular type of team. That’s ass backwards. Players come and go. A good coach can last a decade or more. The NBA needs more Jerry Sloans, where the players fit the coach’s system, not the other way around. Fortunately for Portland, Nate gets to work with our guys from the very start. They’ll grow up in his system.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 16, 2008 7:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Now I'm curious, how many coaches have lasted

a decade or more in the NBA?

On a single team that is.

Cheers, Alistair

by holder on Sep 16, 2008 8:32 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I believe the expression is

bass ackwards

Afew years ago, a broadcaster once said Pryzbilla's name is "Polish for 'personal foul.'" Ouch.

by chrischa on Sep 16, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The grass is always greener.

Why is this the case with coaches even more so than players? I suppose we can see what each players max potential is and whenever they don’t achieve that…all at the same time…it must be the coaches fault.

When we talk coaching change, it always includes the name of the winning coach that we presumably can get and presumably will help us win exactly the same as he was able to do once upon a squad.

I don’t have any issues with Nate right now.

And now timg56’s comment popped up and says just about exactly what I wanted to say…so ditto.

by lukeyhere on Sep 16, 2008 7:24 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My answer and then a question.

Nate for now. Nate for the future.

He adapts, he grows, he instills discipline and principles and he helps get teams to over achieve.

He’s been designated as the best coach coming out of a time out. He made the olympic team and has been part of that gold medal WINNING success.

He gets guys to buy into his system. He’s helped create the culture that is the Blazers with KP and Roy.

Now, that said, people WILL be clamoring for a new coach when the new season begins. It’ll be a knee jerk reaction because we lost three games because we’ll have THREE new key guys learning the system. We’ll be starting off against the best teams in the NBA before our rookies find their footing. People will want to fire him.

Okay, I agree we should always be looking to get better. So, in order to GET BETTER, what coaches out there are better?

Out of those coaches that are better, which are better for our young team?

Out of those coaches, which are available?

How much better are the remaining coaches over Nate and can nate learn and become as good or better if we let HIM develop too?

Those are my questions. If you have answers, pleas post and respond. I’m linking this Entry to past to every response I’ll see in the future to fire Nate. I tired of typing the same thing over and over again.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Sep 16, 2008 7:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

But is he willing

to coach a more up-tempo style? This team has a lot of speed and needs to be getting up and down the floor to utilize it. You know, the “easier baskets” thing.

I’m reserving judgment to see how he does with that this year. Jack is gone so at least we don’t have that anchor dragging us down.

I'm just a modest guy with much to be modest about

by TwoDeep on Sep 16, 2008 8:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Me too..

That’s what I was gonna say… I like that Nate is a D-minded coach, and I hope he instills that same Olympic D feeling amongst the players…

BUT… I strongly believe that a unit that plays up-tempo will be the missing piece to get us not just one title, but several. I have not yet seen Nate embrace that concept. Now, until now, he hasn’t had the right team to do it, but now he does…

I realize that a BRoy + Blake backcourt does not lend itself to the break… But after 6-8 minutes, I’d love to see Rudi and Sergio (or Bayless) come in, and start to really run the break. It’s just critical to get easy buckets to get the lead up to double-digits, so you can coast home, rest players, and get everybody minutes… Plus, it’s fun to play as well as to watch.,..

Go (FAST!) Blazers!

by Visionary1 on Sep 16, 2008 9:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree we have to be up-tempo

But I do agree that a championship coach will need to mix it up. The Spurs are a grind it out team, and when they played the suns they tried to do that against them. Eventually Popovich said “run” and that team OUT RAN the suns. I was rooting for the suns, but it was incredible and awesome to watch.

I don’t think we need to be uptempo all the time, but we should have the ability to do so and a coach that can recognize that.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Sep 16, 2008 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Rat beat me to the punch.

Where is it written that you must be an up-tempo team to win?

and/or

How do you reach the conclusion that the Blazer’s should be an up-tempo team? Because they are young and therefore young guys are better at running than older guys? Young legs do not a running team make. Other factors go into executing a successful running game.

What wins basketball games is having more points on the scoreboard at the end of the game. There is no extra credit if you win by 1 point or 20. Nor is there any for scoring your points in an entertaining, up tempo manner. A game you win 75 – 71 counts just as much as one you win 135 – 121. Screw the chalupa – it’s the victory I want.

With that said, I’d just point out that it is part of the nature of the game that players and teams will have hot streaks and cold. While there isn’t much a coach can do about that, he can ensure that his team knows to execute every time on defense. Every good coach knows that it doesn’t matter if your team is having a poor shooting night, so long as they are ensuring the other team is as well. Fortunately for us, we have a coach who has this credo stamped on his soul.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 16, 2008 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i love nates defense

even back when he was in the league….he was a pitbull on the perimeter. Just really agressive. I really like guys who take that mentality on that side of the ball…….since we got him, I’ve been hoping that he could instill that pitbull mentality in our young guys……
With Oden and Jerryd, I believe he has his pieces….I hope Odens presence lets guys like Outlaw take risks, leak out for easy buckets…I hope guys like Rudy Roy Jerryd Blake can get the ball up to them…I hope we learn to take smart risks on defense (this is something i think nate could teach).Rudy will be excellent at this…….

As far as our uptempo game. Even though we got the bigs that can run, we’re missing the engine to get’em going….I’m crossing my fingers, rudy can be that guy….i guess what i mean is, if we had cp3, we’d instantly be a running team. But we don’t, so we’re not…But we don’t need that to win games…With a guy like Roy, we can dictate a slow pace. He can make the game slow down, as much as he wants…and when opportunites for easy buckets come, we take them…It’s just, our two best players, Roy and Oden, are not runners…….

My real hope is that Rudy Roy, can supplement what each other lacks in the backcourt. Rudy will be the quick decision maker. Roy will be the slow decision maker……and I hope Rudy’s play warrants major minutes…..right now i see our best player on the teams being, Roy Oden Aldridge Rudy Outlaw. In that order…….that is going to be an astonishing line up to see…

o yea, and Nates a keeper. But we need somebody like Hakeem to start teaching Oden.

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 16, 2008 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I reach that conclusion tim56,

not because we are young, but because we are fast and athletic. We have big guys that can beat the opposition down the floor in LaMarcus, Oden, and Travis. Martel, Sergio, Bayless, and Rudy can fly as well. And just because Roy has been said to have the ability to play at his own pace, doesn’t mean he can’t get down the floor in a hurry …. he can. And he makes good decisions quickly and is also a great finisher. Also, I don’t think Blake is going to slow down anyone’s fast break either.

Bottom line is we need to leverage the fast and athletic talent we have. I think Nate will. I think he has to. I know KP wants him to ‘cuz he’s stated it in the past …. even before we had the greyhounds of Oden, Rudy and Bayless to employ.

Any coach worth his salt, even Sloan if he had this team, would be strongly inclined to run, run, run. Not in D’Antoni style, but certainly in the old Laker style, maybe the Mav’s style or better yet like Ramsay did with the 1976-78 Blazers.

Rip City!

I'm just a modest guy with much to be modest about

by TwoDeep on Sep 16, 2008 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I heard Brandon on Courtside

Say basically the same thing. The only previso ……it has to be keyed off the defensive end. No running just to run. Now that we have some defenders and rebounders…it will be a lot easier …..and more effective than the Phoenix style running game.

Styx -"I'm schizophrenic....and so am I"

by 92wastheyear on Sep 16, 2008 6:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your vision, Visionary1 .....

obviously so since your post was mostly agreeing with mine ( :

But my feeling is that anyone thinking BRoy is not a great fast-break player, maybe should reconsider. It’s not so much about blinding speed as it is being able to make quick, good decisions while flying down the court and also being able to finish at the rim. These are two areas in which Brandon excels.

I'm just a modest guy with much to be modest about

by TwoDeep on Sep 16, 2008 12:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The NBA is a player's league

Coaches like Jerry Sloan (who run the same offense for 20 years and pick players to fit his system) are extremely rare in the Association. Sloan is a throwback to the days of Red Auerbach

Most of the time, the coach is “made” by the players. Riley can thank Magic. Phil can thank Michael and Shaq. Poppovich has Duncan. An NBA coach can try to get all his players on the same page and to play hard for 100 games but at some point, the players will get tired of listening to the coach and a change will be made. That’s why there are so many “retread” coaches around. That’s why you see the disciplinarian replaced by the player-friendly coach, and vice versa

McMillian will be around as long as he has Brandon Roy and Greg Oden in his corner. Sure, winning playoff series and titles is important, but it’s not what we the fans think about Nate’s rotations or his ability to win the “big one” that’s important. It’s his ability to get the most out of his players without “losing” them. Knowing the quality character of #7 and #52, I suspect Nate will coach Portland as long as he wants to

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2008 9:00 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Top Ten Reasons Why Nate Might Get Fired Someday:

10. Insists Paul Allen make him captain of the Octopus.
9. Won’t stop doing his impression of Allen on his first date during press conferences.
8. Insists Oden play point guard and Rudy guard Dwight Howard, Shaq, and Yao.
7. Players increasingly unhappy about Nate wearing jodphurs and carrying a riding crop to practice.
6. Keeps bugging Kevin Pritchard to bring-in tough players “who are willing to strangle kittens.”
5. Refers to Allen, Pritchard, and Tom Penn as the Three Stooges.
4. Caught plotting to hijack team to Seattle.
3. Limits offense to getting the ball inside to Joel.
2. Complains constantly about Pritchard “always stealing my thunder.”
1. Develops man-crush on Kobe.

I shoot layups like they're jumpers.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 16, 2008 9:07 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the deal breaker

“1. Develops man-crush on Kobe.”

"Thank God those nightmarish booty-less days are behind us. I blame cocaine."-Mortimer
I detest that man who hides one thing in the depths of his heart, and speaks for another. - Homer
That was a very hard winter,
and it was just like one long night,
with me lying awake, waiting and waiting and waiting
for daybreak.
- Black Elk
1881
The wild hawk stood with the down on his beak And stared with his foot on the prey. - Lord Alfred Tennyson

by BlazerFan1 on Sep 16, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh God, I know

That bear hug after the Olympic win was a little too disturbing to see.

"It is an unique experience that I wanted to live. Turns out well or bad, I will have lived through it and it would not be a failure if I return soon. I am ready for this challenge "
~Rudy Fernandez

Ugh..."Rudy Fernandez will go to Portland next Sunday accompanied of his mother, Maite, who will live with him in Portland the first two years". Not cool Rudy, not cool.

by twiggs on Sep 16, 2008 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's wrong with getting the ball inside to Joel "the offensive juggernaught"?

"It's how you play the Ga-ame..." - Greg Oden with Justin Timeberlake at the Espy's

by BlazermaniacAndy on Sep 16, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should like to see the new team uni's feature jodphurs...

undoubtably with a Nike logo.

Free Joel Freeland! (with the purchase of 1 Wafer)

by LaughingJon on Sep 16, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rudy can handle Dwight

and Shaq is an obsolete model, but Yao might be a little tough for him.

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The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 17, 2008 3:20 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Impossible to predict

Moe’ need more info,

I’m open to re evaluate immediately after the 2019-2020 season (day 4,384 of the Oden era).

The Oden Era, Day 445

by Heymoe on Sep 16, 2008 9:15 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Does Nate WANT to stay here? He turned down an extension

Perhaps he prefers a rebuilding situation where he can develop, teach and look back on his turnaround efforts and be proud of his body of work.

I used to turn around businesses. That was great fun. In and out. Huge sweeping improvements and then I was gone. I then tried running my own business for a long period of time and after an initial huge turnaround I got very bored and eventually ran it into the ground.

Point? I am a builder. Not a maintainer. Perhaps coach likes the quick high as well and would bore easily with the same team. Maybe he needs that change as his challenge and excitement like Larry Brown lite.

Do I really believe this? No. But it is a possibility.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Sep 16, 2008 9:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I worked for a Japanese guy once who was like you

He started the company and sure enough, he was running it into the ground because he wouldn’t relinquish control. Entrepreneurs like you and him have an impatient, steamroller, “nothing is going to stop me” mentality that is essential to overcoming the obstacles involved in launching (or revamping, in your case) a business, but as you said, that quality is bad for managing a team, which involves sharing ideas, building consensus, and helping your team members achieve their goals. Entrepreneurs are essential, but they need to know when to let-go. Kudos to you for recognizing and accepting that.

I shoot layups like they're jumpers.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 16, 2008 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks. It effects every area of my life. I can lose weight when I need to

like no ones business. I can drop 30 pounds just like that. It is fun and energizing seeing the change and results. However maintaining is very boring to me and I end up gradually gaining the weight back.

I am aware of these flaws and I am working on it. In my professional life I have put myself in a position where I get paid to do what I do best and let others do the rest.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Sep 16, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Time to write a book

titled “Lose Weight Like an Entrepreneur.”

I shoot layups like they're jumpers.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 16, 2008 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say Nate just wants to keep his options open, and that is a good thing. I really believe that Nate is the kind of guy that would feel worse to be overpaid and not wanted rather than underpaid and badly needed.

by lukeyhere on Sep 16, 2008 9:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

urban legend

There was no extension offered to Nate this summer. Quick has clarified this story several times during interviews.

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2008 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

Nate, KP, and Mr. Allen discussed discussing an extension, but Nate declined. I actually believe his stated reasons that he didn’t want to be distracted by it while still under contract and coaching in the pre/season, he wanted to finish his entire contract before signing another, and he wanted to feel like he had truly earned an extension with the entire body of work from his current contract. He’s an honorable man. I like him.

< /war >

by Diesel10 on Sep 16, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If I recall correctly

Nate and KP were discussing contract extensions in general (about other NBA coaching situations) and Nate shared his feelings that made it on Oregonlive (Casey’s blog?) and then were discussed on talk radio shows as if McMillian had been offered an extension and turned it down

This is a typical “telephone game” scenario: the comments started innocently and grew legs as radio hosts (who need something to talk during the summer, after all) turned it into a “controversial story”

(Nothing to see here, move along …)

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2008 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheesh

You forgot the link.

The rumor I heard, was that the Blazers were going to offer an extension to Coach Mac, then withdrew it, after the FBI found blood stains on a tire iron in his trunk. They couldn’t get any DNA from the blood. There was, however, one thing they did discovered about the blood… it was knee blood.

"Sometimes GSoM can be the WWE of basketball!" - Tony.psd

by tominhawaii on Sep 16, 2008 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good old Dwight

I wonder who Jaynes would like to see coaching the Blazers? He’s been quick to point out Nate’s flaws, but he comes up short in suggesting any viable replacements…hmmm

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The reality is, Nate is young enough yet to connect meaningfully with the players

and still maintain the air of respectablity and leadership-ness (that should be a word) that is required of a leader / coach/ teacher.

Sophia

"Thank God those nightmarish booty-less days are behind us. I blame cocaine."-Mortimer
I detest that man who hides one thing in the depths of his heart, and speaks for another. - Homer
That was a very hard winter,
and it was just like one long night,
with me lying awake, waiting and waiting and waiting
for daybreak.
- Black Elk
1881
The wild hawk stood with the down on his beak And stared with his foot on the prey. - Lord Alfred Tennyson

by BlazerFan1 on Sep 16, 2008 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Leaderhip-ness

is the one thing that Mo Cheeks lacked. The Cheeks experiment, doomed from the start, was based on the coach connecting with the guys and not being an authority they would rebel against.

by lukeyhere on Sep 16, 2008 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

In addition to him still being young, he’s a Seattle guy along with our team leader Mr Roy. Their connection is as vital as any. Also, I still look at the 55 win season in Seattle as a tremendous over-achievement, and .500 last year in the brutal west with the youngest team, now a gold medal with tons of respect floating in from league stars? Those are some great accolades for a young coach, and I think he’s learning a lot as he gains more experience. Look at last year how he was able to change his philosophy during the season by loosening the reins. I think he shows he’s smart enough to make adjustments to suit players without losing control. This is important on teams with multiple personalities. It’s much better than an old stubborn guy. He gets it, and I think he’s our guy here.

It puts the lotion on the skin...or else it gets the hose!

by courtsideerrandboy on Sep 16, 2008 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

said it before, will say it again

Nate is a top five coach in the league.

We are not able to get Popp, Jackson, or Sloan. Outside of those 3, there’s not another coach I would take over Nate.

Therefore I expect, and hope, that Nate will be around a long time.

He also seems to have a very healthy relationship with KP. That kind of thing is not to be messed with.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 16, 2008 9:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but what do you know?

If you weren’t some blogger livin’ in your mom’s basement and was actually someone who attended games, went to summer league, and had credentials, then I might think you knew a thing or two. I want to know what Charley Rosen thinks of Coach McMillan.

"Sometimes GSoM can be the WWE of basketball!" - Tony.psd

by tominhawaii on Sep 16, 2008 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't want Jackson

but the other two guys are for sure.

I’d probably round out my triumverate (sp?) with Rick Adelman. With Nate and Avery Johnson, that’s my top 5.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 16, 2008 2:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Avery's players had pretty much tuned him out

He is a good coach as indicated by his winning percentage, but to become a great one he needs to work on his delegation skills (didn’t trust his assistants very much, didn’t trust his PGs to run the offense) and self-esteem/confidence. And preferably, on his voice, but that won’t happen ;-)

St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind.

by Norsktroll on Sep 17, 2008 2:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That could be more of an indictment of the Mav's players

than it is of Avery.

The guy is a proven winner and the Mav’s visibly improved under him. That the players tuned him out sounds more like they are the problem, not Avery. Unfortunately you can’t fire the team and keep the coach.

And let’s not forget that well known coach killer – Jason Kidd. I suspect he may have had something to do with Johnson’s dismissal.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 17, 2008 7:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate wants Rings (Plural) in Portland and he wants to be thought of as Franchise Savior

He’s in a prime position. If we made great strides this year he will be able to negotiate his contract to be on par with the other top few coaches in the league. Paul will smell Championship blood in the water and make sure to keep Nate here at any costs. Unless of course we win it all this year, and he (and Greg Oden) retires.

"It's how you play the Ga-ame..." - Greg Oden with Justin Timeberlake at the Espy's

by BlazermaniacAndy on Sep 16, 2008 9:46 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I interrupt this Nate love-in to ask...

Can anyone note a time this season he was out-coached in a game? And how/why?

Very few seem to be taking a critical eye to Nate in this thread. I’m a little surprised since Nate definitely has his drawbacks. I’ll try to sit down later and write up a few of the games where Nate was out-coached, and why he was. I’m hoping someone can beat me to it because I’m distracted at the moment.

If nobody can remember any games he was out-coached in, it means we’re making opinions on him based on rose-colored hindsight.

by Timmay! on Sep 16, 2008 10:36 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

About Nate

I don’t have specifics, because I am old and forget too much…but I have seen several games where I felt Nate may have done something different…(second guessing the coaches is one of my favorite things to do).
   His best defense was often with Pryz in the game and he left him out…For someone that Is “D” first he didn’t practice it…….also, so far, the Blazers never have taken control of the game and decided the outcome early…This “could be” coaching, but may be inexperience.
   It is my opinion (because I do think Nate is a very good coach) that, as a strategist, Nate leaves something to be desired. He would be a great assistant head coach to someone like Pop that listens to their coaches….Phil Jackson is a good strategist, but it’s his way or no way…..(Ego left over from the Jordan era). But this is a luxury that few teams can afford, and having Nate is still a plus for this team
       …..As long as we are talking coaches….What is Lucas doing for a living? For the great player that he was, it seems coaching is not his niche. Rebounding, blocking out, posting up, physical inside play…not there. He can’t seem to teach how he played (and this was probably why he was hired)
……One other comment; You can’t be a successful coach if you don’t have good players…I don’t care how good you are, you have to have good players….so, when it is decided that our players are good enough, a decision about coaching will be more of a factor.

by 67 on Sep 16, 2008 11:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When the players are good enough

Nate will have suddenly transformed into the brilliant coach, strategist, and tactitian we all want him to be.

How old are you? I’m guessing 67…

I shoot layups like they're jumpers.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 16, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, old to me is 60

My body is just starting to lag, but my brain is about four lengths ahead of schedule….But sometimes it’s just a matter of selective memory and I get to use age for an excuse.

by 67 on Sep 16, 2008 12:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with most everything you are saying ....

right down to your Lucas comments.

I'm just a modest guy with much to be modest about

by TwoDeep on Sep 17, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Jarrett Jack man love

Nate’s choosing to play Jack in late-game situations was the decision that most of us complained about last season. The arguments “for” (Jack was agressive, drove to the basket, occasionally drew fouls) versus “against” (Jarrett stepped out of bounds, left his feet to pass, couldn’t dish on a fast break without turning it over, etc) were discussed, ad nauseum. Why play Jack and not Blake? Why not give Sergio more minutes, etc? There were other “rotation” criticisms made, but JJ was the most persistent.

OTOH, there was the Wall Street journal article documented how McMillian’s team tended to score at a higher rate than any other NBA squad, coming out of timeouts. And after Nate was chosen to coach the Olympic team it’s pretty hard to argue against his pedigree.

But that won’t stop some from trying

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This of course assumes that

we all understand the game better than Nate and it was clear to even a 6th grade coach that McMillan was commiting a grievous mistake, obviously driven by his crush on Jack, by playing Jack as much as he did.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 16, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

I remember someone from talk radio asking Nate during a post-game press conference if he had considered replacing Jack in a post game situtation (because of the reasons stated above) and McMillian giving the reporter a hard stare. For whatever the reasons, Jack was Nate’s guard of choice to play alongside Roy in the 4th quarter.

And (as I speculated last spring) “our” only hope was for KP to deal Jack away to remove this “temptation” from the roster

Mission accomplished

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2008 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or it's because there really aren't any instances

where he was seriously out coached.

Besides, how would we be able to evaluate whether or not he was?

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 16, 2008 2:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

E-Z

/s 41 times last year he should’ve done something different that would’ve resulted in a win.

Free Joel Freeland! (with the purchase of 1 Wafer)

by LaughingJon on Sep 16, 2008 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coaches are easy targets, but...

They are deservedly so.

A coach is a facilitator.

He (or she) is expected to use the tools available to him and win an appropriate amount of games. For reasons which i have no ability to control or any real ability to explain, that amount of games is an objective number. If the number is not being reached, the coach has misused his or her personnel.

This is how it is in manufacturing, or sales, or pretty much any other business I can think of. There are times when it is clear that player is not pulling his or her weight. the more important/able the player (which also seems to be an objective number), the more likely the coach will and should be expected to make a situation in which that player will be able to maximize productivity. Fo instance, no one is on Nate’s case because Raif hasn’t met his potential. however, if Brandon and or LMA had horrible seasons this year, because their potential is relatively determined and fixed by the public, people would look to Nate to see how they were being misused.

Criticism of coaches is fair. Nate has met or exceeded expectatons at this point, so he’s fine. When that changes… We can and will talk about what the hell he did wrong, aka say: “FIRE HIM.”

 

by everett on Sep 16, 2008 10:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Fo instance..."

Man, I need to proofread more carefully.

by everett on Sep 16, 2008 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

I think this is such an example of how fickle we as fans are. Almost all posts are in favor of Nate. Right now, Nate has won a gold medal and got us to .500, but wait for a 5 game losing streak (if it takes 5) and people will be calling for his head. I have loved Nate since his days coaching in Seattle and believe we got VERY LUCKY he was willing to come here and it would take quite alot for me to think that he was not the best option for this team. Remember this thread in a few months.

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on Sep 16, 2008 10:57 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

5 game losing streak

Depends on how the treak occurs if we are devastated by injuries he gets a pass, if we are at full strength or 95-98% we should be questioning him and his motivational technique. This is pretty much year 4 of the rebuild and we are loaded with top end talent, its time to raise the bar alot.

In 2011 this franchise will be 40 years old and all they have to show for it is 1 title in year 6 of there existance. 2 finals appearances and that 22 year playoff run are not enough anymore at what point do we as fans get sick of hearing about other teams dynastys and start demanding one of our own.

I like Nate but he is just as much under evaluation as this young team.

by Dragonage on Sep 16, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

And I will say

It’s a little easier to have an NBA dynasty when your team is in Boston, LA or Chicago. There are built-in advantages for larger media markets, and I’m not just taking about local revenue. David Stern has built his empire around TV contracts and “everybody knows” you’ll get better advertising market share from a Boston-LA finals than Portland-Charlotte (for instance)

And the NBA referees know this as well as you or I (and if they don’t, they’ll be “made aware” of it)

But for us small-market fans, that just makes an against-all-odds victory all that much sweeter. It’s “us against the world” Stick it to “the man” (did I forget any cliches?)

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2008 1:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Credentials?

We start questioning Nate if the team hits a 5 game skid? Where do people come from?

To the best of my knowledge there is not a single person on this site who has coached a NBA game. Yet we certainly do not lack for criticism of the coach. And we are actually in Yr 3. The rebuilding process effectively started with the first draft Pritchard was in control of. The first year the team improved by 11 games. The second season, by 10 more. This year there is reason to believe we could see another 10 game improvement. That’s a pretty impressive rate of improvement.

As fans we are not “entitled” to championships. The only thing we can reasonably ask for is that the players, coaches and front office do the best they can. If we are really fortunate, we get 22 year playoff runs. If we are both fortunate and lucky, we might get a championship.

hakkaa päälle !

by timg56 on Sep 16, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 game streak?!?

That’s all a NBA coach is worth? If the team has no injuries and is playing avg. teams, a 5 game losing streak is all it would take before you’d be seriously considering replacing?!? Honestly I’m not surprised at the reality of that (even though I think its crazy), I’m surprised that some are arguing that point ahead of time. People get caught up in the emotional momentum of both losing and winning streaks, so when you’re in the middle of it, some people are going to pull a “chicken little”… but to say that a 5 game skid is all an NBA coach is worth…wow!
     And you can’t put this entire franchise’s history on this team/coach. Just cuz we missed some opportunities in the past doesn’t mean more pressure for these guys (at least it shouldn’t). As fans we maybe more hungry for success/rings but hunger should dictate passion not pressure.

Sometimes I feel like I'm going in different directions...

by porterfan30 on Sep 17, 2008 2:00 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Those all sound like decent accomplishments to me.

I'm just a modest guy with much to be modest about

by TwoDeep on Sep 16, 2008 11:32 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Descent is it

They are solid and alot of teams would be happy with a 40 year run like PDX had but in the late 80’s early 90’s we were considered the best team in basketball and could not deliver.

The later stages of the 90’s are second unit was considered a high playoff seed in the east with our 11th and 12 man considered solid 6-7 guys on most teams. That 4th quarter melt down against the Lakers was rediculous with the talent we had you cannot blow a 14 point lead.

I can accept defeat but I have a hard time accepting it when your the better team and should be delivering titles. Thats the legacy to this point this franchise has delivered when it should have been in elite status.

by Dragonage on Sep 16, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nice to have high standards

but only 10 or 12 teams out of 30 have ever won an NBA title. We’re in pretty select company. We at least have one, and we’ve been to the finals a couple more times, and we’ve had strong teams to enjoy and we had 21 consecutive years in the playoffs. Why focus on the negative?

I shoot layups like they're jumpers.

by MiledAnimal on Sep 16, 2008 12:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with this is...

Two pronged I think:
1. 16 of the current NBA franchises have at least one NBA or ABA championship. of the remaining 14, 7 have been in the league no more than 20 years. its been over 30 since our last Championship.

2. No one can blame Buffalo fans for being disappointed in the Bills for never making it happen. No one says that the Suns fans shouldn’t be a bit upset that they have never had the cigar.

The Blazers have had ups and downs, including some really great times. that being said there have been disappointments. Fans are allowed to express disappointment.

by everett on Sep 16, 2008 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disappointment is allowed...

but your stats in prong #1 don’t reflect the historical Blazers record very well. I’m pretty sure Portland is in the top 1/3 for all time win loss percentage. When I look around the league, there are very few teams that I would be jealous of their fans because their team ALWAYS wins. There was some disappointing years in there, no doubt, but overall I was not unsatisfied with the Clyde/Porter/Kersey team that didn’t get the rings. And between then and now, there just hasn’t been a long enough chasm of bad years to make me forget.

Regarding prong #2, the focus of the disappoinment does not have to be on the team. I mourned those 4 Bills losses, but ultimately was not disappointed with the team. The Norwood field goal was heartbreak, but the following three years you can make the case that the Bills shouldn’t have even made the Superbowl, but rather scrapped and clawed their way in only to get stomped by superior competition. They never underachieved, at least not on a historical scale.

by lukeyhere on Sep 16, 2008 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Thats all Im saying

is I do have high expectations for this current Blazers roster we have had great seasons but for whatever reason not closed the deal and won the Championship.

Somthing about this club feels different maybe its the players showing up 5 weeks before training camp maybe its the interviews from our players not being satisfied with where we currently are in the NBA higherarchy.

This feels like a team that is being put together too make that elusive run for a title and not just one.

Everyone knows that J. West has been the architect for putting together NBA championships, who is the next great gm in this league? I think KP has as much insight into the game as anyone out there the mantle will be passed at some point just hope its our way.

I apologise if my posts sound negative this is our history though.

by Dragonage on Sep 16, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

RC Buford

The Spur’s GM (working with coach Pop) has “replaced” West as the best GM in the NBA in recent years. And we know that KP was an assistant GM in San Antone…

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2008 2:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mac 10 4 life

I love discipline. That Nate is so disciplined makes me love Nate, but not in a Jon Waters kind of way. For those of you who live in Vancouver, Jon Waters is a director who happens to be…….Nevermind……

But being honest is all I do well.....

by SuperDave on Sep 16, 2008 1:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

If this team didn't draft Brandon Roy, Nate would look like an Average Coach

Players make the coach in this league go from good to great. A bad coach is a bad coach. Look at how crappy Byron Scott looked a few years ago. Add a Chris Paul, bam- nice coaching job Scottie.

If Nate had looked good with Telfair, then he would be all-world. I agree that Nate is solid and that we don’t really need anybody else right now, but let’s not get carried away here.

Pritchard looked pretty decent in his limited time as coach and he had Sh!!!!t to work with.

by ralphzillo on Sep 16, 2008 2:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Makes me wonder

Let’s say 10 years from now the Blazers have won a string of championships and fans from other cities will look at McMillian and Pritchard’s track record and say “those lucky SOBs, ANYBODY could’ve won all those rings if they had won the Oden draft lottery!”

(Kind of like fans have been saying about Jackson and Riley because of their good fortune of coaching Magic, Jordan, Shaq, etc?)

Nature of the beast, I suppose. But it would be nice to be on the “other” side of those sour grapes for a change

by two4larue on Sep 16, 2008 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kind of like fans have been saying about Jackson and Riley because of their good fortune of coaching Magic, Jordan, Shaq, etc?)

Nature of the beast, I suppose. But it would be nice to be on the "other" side of those sour grapes for a change

Thats what happened too the spurs also they were a middle of the road playoff team Robinson goes down they tank the season and end up with Duncan. They really lucked into there current situation.

by Dragonage on Sep 16, 2008 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doc Rivers

was a very bad coach until he recently became the best coach in the league.

by Jumbo on Sep 16, 2008 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't sell Doc short.

He’s just as good as Nate during in-game situations.

by Timmay! on Sep 16, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slightly wrong. E.g. after timeouts, Nate is the best in the league

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120846936079424371.html?mod=at_leisure_main_reviews_days_only

Yet Rivers is actually also very good in these situations according to this article. Only somehow he is perceived as being pretty bad by the media and fans. Ask a Celtics fan when he thinks he last saw Rivers call a timeout at the right moment, and then say something that his players really executed and that worked. Or why he yanked the times of his bench players around so much and played Cassell for extended time in the playoffs.

My impression is that Rivers is definitely a great motivator, and maybe a bit worse as a tactician than Nate (or Popovich and Phil Jackson for that matter, so it was strange to see the Lakers getting out-coached in the finals).

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by Norsktroll on Sep 17, 2008 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"ask a Celtic fan..."

An excellent example of how fans don’t know squat. At least we don’t know anywhere near as much as we think we do.

It’s pretty amazing. Watch a lot of games on TV and next thing you know, we are all experts and can do a better job than the guys who are running or coaching the team. It’s why fantasy leagues are so popular. Of course the operable phrase there is “fantasy”.

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by timg56 on Sep 17, 2008 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Correlation does not equal causation

(And I’ve covered this in other threads, but don’t mind covering it again)

That study has become way overrated. Correlation does not equal causation. That’s become a catch-all for “our coach is good!” even though it means nothing in the bigger picture.

Nothing about that statistic really says that one coach is better than another. That’s mistakenly inferred by lots of people.

Please stop using that stat to defend Nate.

-Tim

by Timmay! on Sep 17, 2008 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But Nate was an important part of the changeover.

As in, it seems to me that Nate had a role in judging Telfair unfit for taking thew Blazers out of LoserVille (population: Zach),
as well as being involved in the process of zeroing in on Roy (and all our other non-Oden talent),
not to mention developing so many of these players (Brandon Roy not the least of them) correctly.

Nate didn’t just luck into this roster; he was a big part of making that luck.

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by QualityPie on Sep 16, 2008 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's not go overboard here. Nate's not the GM.

He gets a say but the GM makes the call. Let’s not overstate Nate’s duties. And this viewpoint makes him look like he’s walking on clouds carrying roses and rainbows coming out when he talks, since we have no idea what players he actually recommended (and they say positive stuff about everyone). We just know who KP chose. Nate may have requested Tyrus Thomas and Rudy Gay for all we know.

KP built this roster, not Nate.

KP also judged Telfair by coaching him personally btw. And we don’t even know what players he recommended to KP the last few years. Other than Jarrett Jack of course.

Considering the attitude of the boards during the season, Nate’s absence definitely has made hearts grow fonder.

by Timmay! on Sep 16, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I think Nate has not vote neither voice to pick up players.

I think he was even a little upset because of Rudy was coming, until he saw him at Beijing. Before Beijing Nate was all about “Rudy will be a rookie coming into this league… will have to make adjustments … learning curve … we have to see what he can do”. He talked like that (probably fearing they bring another Sergio) when the Blazer staff was doing a lot of effort to bring Rudy to Portland. Probably Nate´s words created a so dangerous atmosphere that Paul Allen decided to travel to Spain to encourage Rudy to come. I didn´t see any happiness in Nate, even when he talked about Rudy´s potential. After he saw Rudy at Beinjing Nate talked about “He’s a talented player. He plays with a lot of energy; a lot of passion. I think the fans are really going to be excited with the style of play that he brings to the floor. He plays the game very passionately. He puts everything out on the line. He doesn’t hold back. I couldn´t sleep, you’re going to like Rudy, he plays completely all out all the time, he plays every possesion, he’s got great energy on defense, and you had better find him and get a body on him on the offensive end, etc, etc.” When I think about what Rudy did at Beijing were exactly the same things he had been doing in Europe all the year, and we all knew it and we are not coaches, then I only can come to that conclusion: nor vote neither voice. And I like it.

I also think Nate is a very good coach. I hope we keep him, no matter if he plays or not his Spanish players.

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by amlmart1 on Sep 16, 2008 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes I wonder if the problem with Sergio

is at least partly because Nate does not easily relate well to him or communicate well with him because he isn’t American.

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by MiledAnimal on Sep 16, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

totally on the mark amlmar!

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by TwoDeep on Sep 17, 2008 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

plus one Timmay

I'm just a modest guy with much to be modest about

by TwoDeep on Sep 17, 2008 8:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong... I like Nate

Nate has done certainly done a good job with a developing team. He will have a lot to teach the young guards, and it doesn’t heard that BRoy grew up in Seattle..

But let us just think logically here.. Nate has not done one thing that makes me feel that he is a lock for us beyond two years down the line. And if we are not seriously flirting with a Western Conference Final spot in 2010, he will probably be moving on..

I don’t think there is any reason to believe that a good development/training coach definitely makes a great playoff gametime playmaker type of coach. Will he? I don’t know. Mike Brown has done some great stuff with developing the Cavs and even got them to the finals. But how long will he have to prove that he hasn’t hit the ceiling on his ability to take this team? I think he has one year left personally!

I think that Adelman would likely join the list of strong coaches who have a lot more playoff coaching experience than Nate does if Nate were to be to sent along. Don’t get me wrong.. I would love it if Nate could prove that he is a great coach.. but NONE of us have seen the real evidence..

by idoltime on Sep 16, 2008 2:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

This is a fair point

There are lots of over-achievers that never win championships.

It is one skill to take an average or below average team and get them to over-achieve. Nate has proved he can do that.

It is yet another skill to take young players and use them in ways that develop their abilities. I believe Nate has proved he can do that.

But it is a different skill to take a group of extremely talented players and mold them into a championship team that reaches the very top. Nate has never done that (or even come close to it). He’s never had the chance to do that, so the fact that he hasn’t isn’t a knock on him. But we actually don’t know if Nate really knows how to do what is needed to win a championship.

I would disagree, in that I think Nate has proved he’s a great coach — but I would agree in that he hasn’t proved he’s a championship coach.

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by jscot on Sep 17, 2008 3:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you make a valid point but

it only goes so far. Otherwise we wouldn’t see coaches get fired and new ones come in with the same roster and turn things around.

Also, seeing how young these Blazers have been and still are, they’ve required a lot fo good coaching to get them up to speed as fast as they have. It’d be a different story if they were a pack of vets and all you had to do was roll the ball out on the floor. Heck, Mo Cheeks did less with more.

But you are right, the best coach in the NBA can’t win without talented players (see Larry Brown’s Bobcats this year).

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by LaughingJon on Sep 16, 2008 2:56 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

err... two posts up.

Free Joel Freeland! (with the purchase of 1 Wafer)

by LaughingJon on Sep 16, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, ohhh, ee-yo-oh.

Oh, ohhh ee-yoh.

Oh, ohhhh ee-yo-oh.

The Right Coach.

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by QualityPie on Sep 16, 2008 5:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

2 - 4 - 6 - 8

Who do we appreciate?

NATE! NATE! NATE!

Nate’s Great! Umh, Bugga Bugga Bugga. Umh, Bugala Bugala Bugala.

Nate’s a Big Man. I’d be listening to him. Coach knows something and he can teach it. If you want to play in The NBA, he can tell you what you need to know. If you what to win, Coach has the ways to get it done. If you want to be a Trail Blazer follow his lead.

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Wondrin if they'd changed at all, If there unies was still red

by BlueBooYay on Sep 16, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't read any of the posts on this issue...

..but “Give us your thoughts and ideas about the coaching situation” really irked me.

Frankly, there isn’t a “situation” to begin with. Nate has been at the helm of 3 consecutive improving seasons, and barring any unforeseen circumstances, a 4th as well as a possible playoff birth (knock on wood) in a significantly tough conference. To already be thinking “can he take us that last step to the promised land” is extremely far-sighted to the point where you’re missing what is happening in front of you.

The blazers have been one of the most, if not THE most solidly growing team in the entire league over the past few years. The talent, work ethic, and comradery on this team can put us in the top echelon of teams.

I liken this whole discussion to a kid who has been a notorious D student in school. All through elementary and middle school, he’s received failing grades. Now that he’s in high school, he’s steadily improved his grades via help from a tutor; first to C’s, then into the B’s, and even a sparse A or two. Now that his senior years has arrived, do you get rid of the tutor now? Do you go find another tutor because you don’t think this current tutor has what it takes to have that kid get straight A’s? No way!

I apologize for the elaborate analogy, but I think it’s ludicrous to even be talking about a coaching "situation". McMillan has done all that’s been asked of him and more. This team has a fresh, wholesome image, they’re winning again with the right kinds of players, have a ton of talent as well as depth, and a coach who has facilitated a winning attitude through discipline. To assume he can’t this team where they need to be is absurd and not backed by anything more than a pessimistic attitude.

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by Arby on Sep 16, 2008 5:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Ouch, bad analogy

That assumes the team (like a school kid) is a constant, and not improving independently of the tutor/coach. Let’s correct that for a different analogy:

1. Your cyborg kid gets F’s. You get him a tutor and a maintenance team.

2. After tutoring and upgrades, he gets D’s. You’re happy since there’s improvements. There’s a little arguing about which one caused the improvement, but no biggie.

3 After more tutoring and upgrades, he gets C’s. Yay again. Of course, he actually got a bunch of A’s in a row, then fell back to F’s. But it evened out into an improvement. Some have argued that he hasn’t taken the best approach on some tests, and the tutor might have told him to use the history chip for a math test sometimes. But no biggie. Nobody’s still sure what’s helping. (To the coach’s credit, he’s not taking any credit)

4. The upgrades team did some more work again (and fixed a buggy chip that will be a MASSIVE upgrade). the coach tutored some more, getting him to come in early and everything. We’re waiting to see how the test goes.

Now, who’s the cause of the improvements, and will he improve again this year? It’s too soon to say. But with all the stuff going on there, it’s impossible to say if the tutor has been helpful or not, an the jury is still out.

And that’s all I’ve been saying all along.

by Timmay! on Sep 16, 2008 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

See that is where you are wrong

it is not cyborgs……it is Space Robots…..all the way

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by 92wastheyear on Sep 16, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

but at the same time, why change it until you have a true reason to doubt that the coach isn’t the source of the improvement?

If it ain’t broke, don’t go get a new coach.

…or something like that.

If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Ice cream has no bones!

by Arby on Sep 17, 2008 7:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed!

I’m not saying we should let Nate go. I just think we should take the rose-colored glasses off that are giving him rainbows coming out of his behind. It’s very possible our success is unrelated to him so we shouldn’t overreact to him right now (like we’ve overreacted two years in a row to Sergio’s play).

by Timmay! on Sep 17, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Argh! Let's correct this again. Correlation does not equal causation!

This is a worthwhile read on how easy it is to mistake correlation and causation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Let’s put it this way. Younger people can catch their breath faster. Portland has the youngest team in the league. Statistically, it’s reasonable to say they’d be more refreshed and quicker out of a timeout than any other team in the NBA. Perhaps they were simply fresher after the timeout, and had a little more spring in their step than their archaic opponents, and (naturally) scored more. And once they lost that advantage, they regressed to the mean. But for those couple possessions, they dominated.

How about another one? Each of those teams have another thing in common: A VERY strong leader. Not the coach.. the on-court leader (Roy, Garnett, Paul, Billups, Kobe). Coming out of the timeout, they are refreshed and can help the team dominate over the first few possessions. Then things revert to the mean.

Makes sense? I’m not saying those are the cause either. Because… again, correlation does not imply causation. I just made that up on the spot as an example alternative theory. So while that stat is useful, I can’t judge Nate on it.

It could simply be that, during the timeout, he reminded them to give the ball to a refreshed Brandon. Good coaching! But no X and O involved, and any of us could do that..

by Timmay! on Sep 17, 2008 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW if this came off as mad at you or anything, I'm not at all

I’m just seeing this statistic propped up all over and I’m starting to feel like it’s my mission to correct the false conclusions it’s created.

by Timmay! on Sep 17, 2008 10:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

It’s just one of the few analysis based on data I have seen about “good coaching” anywhere. Everyone agrees a good coach is highly important in football cause you can really influence almost every play, in basketball – not so much. Here is a situation where the coach does have some influence (can make substitutions, can call a play, critique what has been going on in the last minutes, etc.), so the following performance might have a lot to do with him but is not automatically attributable to him. Usual statistics to gauge the qualities of a coach such as “winning percentage” are even less precise in my opinion, cause like you said give a mediocre NBA coach a great team with a great leader and the coach really becomes secondary and can ride on the success of his team as long as he doesn’t interfere with the game by making a lot with bad decisions.

One thing: timeouts have less and less to do with resting players. Especially in last year’s playoffs, the TV timeouts got ridiculously long. You really don’t have to sit your star players very long, and any player who is exhausted and needs timeouts to catch his breath is not in shape.

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by Norsktroll on Sep 17, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stats; Short comment

I always look at stats with a skeptical eye….Stats never equate into wins or loses until someone content’s them in…..In other words they are way overrated…Stats are mostly used to build someone’s case, but it is short-sided view of how the game is played and what decides the outcome…..

by 67 on Sep 18, 2008 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nate is a good coach.

Nate is a good coach. He is good for the Blazers. Young coach with an up and coming team. He has experience on his side from his playing days, and good ones too as he has been to the Finals with the Sonics in 96 as a player. So he is the right coach. And a good one too. Last good coach the Sonics ever had.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Sep 18, 2008 6:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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