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Can't Afford It

With the off-season surgeries of Brandon Roy, Channing Frye, Raef LaFrentz, and Casey Holdahl you can't help but ponder the likelihood of injuries affecting Portland's chances, at least in the near term.  Unlike many people, I am fairly slow to bestow the label "injury prone" on anybody.  For every Grant Hill who spends two-thirds of his career in traction there are five players who have one or two surgeries and come out none the worse for wear.  Some of those procedures happen in the early career years.  "Injury prone" is one of those labels usually applied by opposing fans to explain why a team that's better than theirs on paper won't succeed.  Rarely does that prediction become reality over the long haul.  Predicting injuries is not only macabre, it's a waste of time.

Since the topic is before us, however, it might be interesting to take a look at the players Portland could least afford to lose if the season is to be successful.  We're not talking just a game or two on the sidelines here, but something that would sideline a player for a couple months or more.  Who would the Blazers miss the most?  Here's my top five.

1.  Greg Oden

Granted, the team played without him last season and didn't do that badly.  But "didn't do that badly" is the key phrase there.  The Blazers are expecting more than so-so this year.  Losing Oden would put them right back in the position of having to overachieve in order to find even reasonable success.  He's going to alter so many facets of the game:  defense, rebounding, low post play, drawing double teams, muscle flexing, threatening to destroy the rim.  Joel Przybilla can replace a couple of those facets but he's nowhere near the force a healthy Oden would be.  There are zero adjustments to be made to compensate for his absence.  Nobody has another monster behemoth seven-footer in their back pocket.  The Blazers would just have to make the best of it and hope he got back soon.

2.  Brandon Roy

Some would argue Brandon should be number one on this list as he's the heart of the team.  Although the Blazers would miss Roy like you'd miss your right thumb if you lost it there's a reasonable chance they could make up some of his production and influence off the bench.  Rudy Fernandez could drive and shoot a little.  Jerryd Bayless could slip over to the two-spot and score.  Both they and Travis Outlaw would be willing to take shots with the game on the line.  All three of them together don't equal one Roy, particularly since two are rookies, but the gap between their collective influence and Brandon's would be less than the gap between Joel Przybilla's and Greg Oden's.

3.  Steve Blake

Most people would expect Lamarcus Aldridge here because of his talent.  It's tempting, but Portland does have some guys who can man the power forward position off the bench this year, particularly assuming Oden is healthy.  They have a bunch of possible point guard replacements as well:  Bayless, Roy, Sergio Rodriguez.  But Bayless is untested in that complex role, Roy may not be as good playing it full-time as he is in the fourth quarter, and Sergio may have a ways to go yet.  Even if they could tag team their way through 48 minutes none of them is the tested veteran who can set people up with regularlity like Blake can.  It would be a major adjustment not only for them but for the team.  If we had one, proven NBA point guard coming off the bench (or starting with Blake coming off the bench) no point guard would register on this list.  Ditto if we were two years down the road and knew that one of these other guys could man the helm.  But until then we're vulnerable if Blake can't play.

4.  Lamarcus Aldridge

Lamarcus' ability mandates that he be no lower than this.  It's not like the team would fall apart without him but he's the third major headache for opponents...the guy that will make this team near impossible to defend.  He may well end up being the leading scorer this year as opponents will likely choose to stop Oden low and stop Roy from driving, taking their chances with Lamarcus working for the jumper or turn-around.  If Lamarcus were to go out Channing Frye would probably replace him immediately, but Channing has yet to prove he can come through every night even if given a steady diet of shots (which he'd surely get in that situation).  Between Channing, Ike Diogu, and Travis Outlaw sliding back over to power forward the Blazers would be OK, but they'd rather have Lamarcus.

5.  Travis Outlaw

Travis might have overtaken Lamarcus on this list had not Bayless and Fernandez shown a propensity for scoring and clutch play this summer.  Doubtless they'll struggle to duplicate that in their rookie seasons, but they'd get the chance if Travis went down.  He's still the main guy off the bench and an almost certain fourth-quarter player.  The Blazers don't quite have a ready subsitute for a guy who can come in and score on almost anybody immediately.  They'd need to replace his spark somehow.  For a game or two his absence probably wouldn't show up too much, but over the long haul Portland would miss him.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

 

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Speedy recovery, Casey. I think he said something like sciatica/ischium

I hope it’s not career ending, or Tom Penn can negotiate a medical exception for it. Then we might be able to sign Steven Hill instead ;-)
And let’s knock on wood the “Frail Blazers” moniker doesn’t become a sad reality.

St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind.

by Norsktroll on Sep 15, 2008 2:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

we can give Shaun Livingston one of Sergio’s knees and then everything will be ok.

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on Sep 15, 2008 3:10 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What about Coach McMillan

If we lost him for some reason, that would cost the team a few losses.

"Sometimes GSoM can be the WWE of basketball!" - Tony.psd

by tominhawaii on Sep 15, 2008 4:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

That's a good point...

I think losing Coach would hurt the team as much as losing Travis…at least…on my list he might go all the way to #3. At this point, I just don’t think our team is the automatic force that more time playing (and playing together) will give them.

by Gelvalst on Sep 15, 2008 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure about Nate's role this year

Nate can’t do as much damage this year now that Jarrett is gone. Unless he gets a man-crush on Steven Hill, and plays him instead of Oden, that could be pretty bad.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 15, 2008 7:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If losing Nate cost them some losses

then I hope he gets hurt(slightly)…that’s something we could absorb…providing “cost” losses means gaining wins

by 67 on Sep 16, 2008 8:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh..I still think LaMarcus Aldridge is far more important than Steven Blake. If anything, Oden is a untested low

post presence. It’s a lot easier for Bayless to bring the ball up court and throw it to Roy than it is for the Blazers to expect Oden to replace Aldridge’s low post scoring.

by BRoyInThe4th on Sep 15, 2008 8:25 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We had a pretty dang good record...

… without LA last year.

He’s not nearly as indispensable as most fans think, IMO.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Sep 15, 2008 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think he's indispensable

but he is a key piece.

Honestly, Frye could step in and be just one notch less than LiMA.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Sep 15, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

under valuing lamarcus FTL

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Sep 15, 2008 4:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF are you talking about? You will never see Frye drop 36 in Utah, or own Tim Duncan.

LaMarcus Aldridge is a future all star, Channing Frye is a career bench player.

by BRoyInThe4th on Sep 15, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frye did a pretty great LMA impression

during this game:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=Akdke1gXLhtQpDtR8DR7Cq.kvLYF?gid=2007121607

Remember that LMA was hurt for 5 of the 13 game win streak. Frye is a poor man’s Aldridge, but he can do enough Aldridge-like things that its easier for us to win without LMA than without Blake (until Bayless proves himself, which may be very soon).

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Sep 15, 2008 5:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

idk, fry will probably be good

in fact alot of teams would be happy with him, and he could even start on a couple maybe. But most teams would want lamarcus and he would start for alot of them, we would rather have LA but frys not as bad as you make it seam

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Sep 15, 2008 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love the intensity of your repsonse...

you are right on the money and now there is even more evidence of that fact – check out the Watch out for Aldridge fanpost.

I really enjoy Channing Fyre being a Blazer, but LMA is an All-Star for sure.

LMA>LA! LMA is da MAN!
LaMazing! LaMarvelous! LaMagnificent! LaMonster!
This is your year LMA – this is your year!
LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Sep 17, 2008 12:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis

doesn’t get injured! C’mon! If we’re gonna use the “injury prone” tag about people, can’t we also use the “injury resistant” tag for some as well?? Travis is Injury resistant. So now worries there. :)

by MattyDread on Sep 15, 2008 8:55 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

of course

whenever you say something like that, something always happens.

Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624

by ratbastird on Sep 15, 2008 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am not ready to call a guy

who gets his first significant minutes in his career then next Cal Rip Jr. Also, I remember Outlaw missing big time in 06-07 with an ankle sprain.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 15, 2008 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i didnt see a injury prone tag

did i miss something?? i thought it was a list in order of what player getting injured would hurt the teams chances for regular victory most. ill have to read it again.

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Sep 15, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was kinda wrong

injury prone was only a side topic though

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Sep 15, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i read the title of this thread

and was sure Dave was going to blindside me with some insight regarding Lehman Brothers. Anybody want to make the top 5 investment firms we can’t live without? Are there even 5 left?

My list as of today goes: Roy, Oden, LMA, Blake, and TO.
— We’ve shown we can win with Roy and without Greg. We’ve not shown we can win consistently without Roy. That might change if we have Oden in the middle but, as of today, I am going off the evidence we’ve seen.
— The LMA/Blake debate is a really tough one. I guess I would cop out and say they are of equal importance. Especially with the reports of Blake’s intensity coming out… he is driving for the playoffs. Love that from a PG.

BRANDON ROY GET WELL SOON

by Ben. on Sep 15, 2008 9:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

My fingers are crossed.

     Injuries happen in all sports. I tore my left knee
in 89’ and had full reconstruction. (ACL, Bucket handle
meniscus tear, etc) They opened the knee up to
remove a third of the patellar tendon to graft into the ACL.
8 weeks of crutches, and another six month’s of PT and
then another six to regain confidence/strength.
     Soon after I was a regular on the court and played
back to 95% of my previous skill/speed.
    GO, BRoy & Buffet will be fine. It’s a long season and
there will be more minor injuries. Just keep your fingers
crossed.

      GO BLAZERS ! LET’S GET A TV DEAL DONE, AND HURRY !!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Sep 15, 2008 10:09 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Psst Dave

(It’s LaMarcus, not Lamarcus.)

by Corvid on Sep 15, 2008 12:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

no one is injury prone yet

Until they prove themselves to be Grant Hill like, let’s not even take the chance of jinxing anyone into that bad category of injury prone. That said, I think Brandon Roy’s long term viability is in question since he’s had both knees worked on and he’s still on the south side of 30.

But being honest is all I do well.....

by SuperDave on Sep 15, 2008 3:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Grant Hill

needs a new category all together and part of it may be that he is, in some ways, the unluckiest man alive.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Sep 15, 2008 4:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

gawd ive missed this site

i have it linked on all my profile pages, but havent been hear in what feals like soooo long, did ja miss me?? lol. great read Dave, well measured, against the grain, verry insight ful. saticefying but leaves me wanting more. maybe i missed it, but is this a list of injury prone??? i just thought it was a list of big hurt injuries we kant afford. oh well, c-ya l8r

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Sep 15, 2008 4:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No

It has nothing to do with being injury prone except I explained in the intro that specifically it wasn’t, and that indeed I’d never write a post giving that label to someone as early as some people would. Personally I think the term is mis-applied constantly.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 15, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You forgot to answer his second question.

"Sometimes GSoM can be the WWE of basketball!" - Tony.psd

by tominhawaii on Sep 16, 2008 4:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No kidding

Injury prone is a conclusion, not a cause. People always label athletes as “injury prone” or what not… but it’s always after the fact. Has anybody ever predicted that so and so would be injury prone?

by Bust a Bucket on Sep 16, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Frye and Diogu can cover for LMA...

why can’t Joel, Frye, and LMA cover for Oden if he goes down? If you lose Oden, you are essentially adding Bayless, Rudy, and Diogu to a 41-41 team and only losing two JJs and a McBob. I think the beauty of this team is that it can sustain an injury or two and continue to improve on its performance from last season.

My list:
Roy – because he is the go to guy down the stretch and his back-up is a rookie.
Blake – Sergio and Bayless not ready to run the offense like Blakey…
Oden – Same problems as last year would creep up…Who gets the rebounds and intimidates inside after Joel leaves the game?
LMA – Frye, Diogu, and Outlaw could step in but none of them are as well rounded at the PF position.
Outlaw – proved to be a tough guy to handle in the fourth quarter. Who would take some of that pressure off of Roy if Outlaw went down?

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 15, 2008 5:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

roys back up played against the olympic team and wares a silver medal, the rookie lable mabee should be aplied a little looser to rudy then others rooks

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Sep 15, 2008 5:30 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The point was...

If Roy goes down, his back up has not played yet in the NBA. He might prove to be a great back-up and compete for a starting role but can he replace Roy’s ability to score down the stretch against the NBAs best.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 15, 2008 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i thought he

did pretty good against Team USA…….

by BroyTheTruth on Sep 15, 2008 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You mean in

“scoring down the stretch against the NBA’s best”? Yeah, I thought so, too.

But Roy has done it consistently, and we don’t really know yet if Rudy will be able to do it with consistency right away, or whether the NBA transition will take some time.

So I think you both have a point.

The most amazing thing about my amazing ego is I have amazingly little about which to be egotistical.
The pick and roll this year will emphasize "roll" followed by "dunk", followed by the wailings and lamentations of your women.

by jscot on Sep 15, 2008 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

I think no matter what I say on this one, I will get some sort of response about how good Rudy is. I think the context of the entire original post was that we could sustain an injury or two and still improve as a team. If we lost Roy, I am fairly confident Rudy, Bayless, Sergio and Blake (and even Webster) could cover Roy’s minutes well enough to keep us in most games…but Roy would still be the most difficult to replace on the team.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 16, 2008 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The same trouble as last year

is right, which is the exact trouble that kept us from truly breaking through. The assumption, I guess, is that scrapping really hard just to get 40-ish wins isn’t the goal this year. Given that, the Blazers sorely need Oden’s presence.

—Dave

by Dave on Sep 15, 2008 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

if you, sort of, move this topic

around the corner a bit….and say that the team will have to survive with injuries…if they are to become a consistent playoff team, they have to be able to cover themselves (short term)… with this in mind you would have to figure that replacing a person like Oden would be the most difficult( if he becomes the dominate player we think he will be)….a sound, all around player, like Roy can be replaced, but you have lost a lot of leadership. So then you would have to look at veteran players like Blake and Pryz to help hold things together…LA’s offense would be missed and he brings more to the table than Outlaw. The question would be; If you lose a scorer, you will need replacement scoring…but sound fundamental defense and team play (execution)can overcome a scoring deficiency. (the thinking being, if you only score 78 but the other team scores 77, you win the game) The bottom line is, this team will need to be constructed to accommodate injuries…because they will happen…..Are we there yet? Probably not….but time will tell

by 67 on Sep 16, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that isn't the goal...

I guess the question is what are your expectations with Oden? If you think they are going to challenge for the 5th or 6th seed in the West, if Oden goes down I would doubt they would achieve that. But I am looking at them challenging to make the playoffs, even if it is just the 7th or 8th seed. I think they can still do that without Oden.

I am expecting them to be better at the 1,2, and 3 positions with additions of Bayless and Rudy and one more year of growth from Webster and even a small improvement from Travis. Frye showing in the last few games that he was finding his niche, another year of experience for Aldridge and adding Diogu makes us better in the frontcourt even without Oden.

Of course losing Oden would change things, but I think they will still be an improved team without him. Maybe around 45 wins slipping in at the 7 or 8 slot.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 16, 2008 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My expectation is 2-4 place in the Western Conference

If Oden goes down, we’re probably hitting your 7 to 8 slot.

by Bust a Bucket on Sep 16, 2008 5:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's a huge jump!

We can only hope. I am thinking if everything breaks exactly right for them, they might make a run at home court in the first round. More realistically, I think they will win around 50 games and hover around the 6th seed in the West.
But I will be happy if they make the playoffs. I just want to see them improve on their win total and keep building up to the break through season that is still a year or two away.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Sep 16, 2008 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mike Rice said we will be 4th in the NBA this year

Unless that is the Gin & Tonics or Paul Allen’s money talking, he should know as well as anybody since he was going to practice and helping out every day in August.

I tend to agree with the Mike Rice/Sport Illustrated rankings. If we’re wrong, then so be it. I won’t be terribly dissappointed if we’re not top 4 in the West, especially if we have lots of excuses like injuries.

by Bust a Bucket on Sep 16, 2008 6:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also don't want to jinx anyone/anything, but is LaMarcus' heart condition fixed for good?

St. Bayno's 120 Haiku Prospects: Nicolas Batum in the paint—prairie grass, blown by wind.

by Norsktroll on Sep 15, 2008 5:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Good list

Balanced and well thought, as I’ve grown to expect from THE. GREATEST. BLOGGER. EVER.

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by saregister on Sep 15, 2008 5:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

excellent list

I might switch blake with LMA, but it’s kind of nitpicky

I have my P.h.D in unreliable hyperbole.

by Eat Politicians on Sep 15, 2008 8:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing about the injury subject I've been meaning to raise:

For a few years now, whenever a player is diagnosed with a minor injury,
they’re shelved and operated on right away.
But that’s been in the context of a young team out of playoff contention,
with emphasis on developing a maximally great and long future peak.

When we REALLY start winning (i.e., be chasing a playoff spot, be in the playoffs, et c.),
we won’t be able to do this anymore: Will our players be willing to play hurt
after several years of being held back from having to do that?

"Mister Oden is a very, very big human being." - Jerryd Bayless

by QualityPie on Sep 16, 2008 9:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, when we're going deep in the playoffs...

they will just use the old maxims my high school coaches would use, like

“Walk it off” and

“Spit on it and keep playing”

even if it was a compound fracture or torn ligament.

by Bust a Bucket on Sep 16, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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