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I have spent the last few days travaling from site to site, in and out of SBNation, and the one seaming universal truth shared by ALL of the sites I visited, is the lack of trust felt for their front office. NOT ONE site i visited succeeded in concieling concern with their GM/Owner. There were issues of players wanting to leave, failed contract negotions, skeptical trades, complaints of longstanding holes left at various positions, cheap ownership, horible chemistry experiments. There is so much uncertanty out there and in some cases, simple resignation. Peppered thoughout, is an amazing amount of mention of KP and gang. And we are not the only ones who think we could be a 50 win team this year, allot of playoff teams are saying as much, Rockets, and Jazz, for example. It seams we have it good, right now.

 

It seams to me that KP and krew, have endiered themselves, and built a lot of trust. I've found myself thinking, and have read it in the comments on this sight, that "If KP made the trade, I would be ok with it" or "As long as KP saw something in him, then I would back that move" ect. ect. We've all seen this multible times by now.

 

I'm qurious, Do we trust them that much? Should we trust them that much? Do we really have it that good? or should I slow down on the Koolaid? Am I alone in this fealing?

 

Feal free to add any links to other sites, if you like to look around.

Poll
How much do you trust KP?
He has my social, I sent it to him in an email, in case he ever needed anything
22 votes
100% If he traded back for Zach, I would patiently wait, knowing his brillience would be made obvious in time
20 votes
90% He don't make bad trades, least not yet, maybee some day, but for now, let it RIDE!!!
55 votes
80% Probably one of the best in a while, I'm sure he's got the right idea, mistakes will be made, i'm sure, but for, I'm good
18 votes
70% I wonder about that miles thing now and then.
6 votes
60% This kant go on much longer, he's done well, but he's mortal, and a litte....
1 votes
50% I don't deserve to live :*(
2 votes

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It’s good to hear that fans of other teams recognize our front office’s turnaround, and I have to agree that it’s nice to see what they’re doing (understatement of the century).

What I am confused about are the Kool-Aid references… does the stuff make you crazy? Are you hypoglycemic (or is it hyper, I forget which)? I for one am a huge fan of their invisible flavors, where it looks like water, only it tastes like WHAT IS THAT, CHERRY?! It’s a total trip.

"... and with the thirteenth pick in the 2008 NBA draft, the Portland Trailblazers select: David Bowie, of space." Draft Bowie!

by Sarbonis on Aug 7, 2008 9:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

koolaid = blind trust

i think its a refrence to leary and the electric koolaid acid test, and then more recently jonestown. could be wrong, am wrong a lot.

"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 7, 2008 10:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

jonestown

bookit

"There something going on with that Skipper. No one gets that fat eating coconuts"

by 92wastheyear on Aug 7, 2008 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jonestown

Unless you think 1978 is ‘recent’.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 7, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually.

that ‘recent’ part didn’t make any sense, really. Anyway, it’s DEFINITELY Jonestown – “this Kool-Aid will kill me, but ‘o.k.’”, not “this Kool-Aid will make me like the Grateful Dead, but ‘o.k.’”.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 7, 2008 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much entirely a Jonestown reference.

The blind-trust-of-authority-goes-bad angle.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Aug 7, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

He hasn't done anything to shake our faith in him

Isn’t that the foundation of placing your faith in somone or something? Your faith is only as good as the object which you place it in.

KP, more so than any other front office guy, earns his paycheck. We tend to be jealous of people who make more money than we do, especially when it seems like they have their head up their backside. They get paid big bucks and constantly do things that make you scratch your head. Could you imagine how miserable it MUST be to be an Atlanta Hawks fan? I would not blame any of their most die hard fans if they gave that team the finger and took their loyalties else where. That franchise is like a blind man in a dark room looking for a black cat that isn’t even there.

That has not been the case with KP at all. I don’t believe there is a GM out there that works harder than he does. He is very smart and surrounds himself with good people, who in turn help him to look good. He has a plan, is flexible, and is opportunistic. Should the day come where he leaves this team, (unless he has gone insane or something) it would be a major blow to this franchise, and his replacement would have a lot to live up to.

God bless KP, and God bless America.

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Aug 7, 2008 9:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

on top of that

KP has earned our trust as fans. We were not very trusting of Nash nor of Trader Bob. Especially on draft night. Trader Bob wasn’t horrendous but many of his high risk/high reward guys failed let us down. Let me name a few Zach, Quintel, Boumte 2x, but not Trout. Nash on the other hand only netted us Roy and Bayless after trading away his picks (Telfair & Jack). The fact that KP got so much for those guys is what gives us faith in him. He has not let us (or Mr Allen, for that matter) down. Sure not every pick will be what we dream, but so far the prospects beat Ha and a couple of Russian kids.

by NWfan on Aug 7, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you running for President?

(could not resist on the sign off)

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Aug 11, 2008 9:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL at

he has my social.

well done.

"You'd rather say 'whoa' than 'giddyup.'" ~ Dean Demopoulos

by Ben. on Aug 7, 2008 9:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

For what would I need a social?

He can have it.

Odenied: Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Aug 7, 2008 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You didn’t hear about the Great BEdge Ice Cream Social coming up? KP’s already invited – I wouldn’t waste my ticket by giving it to that 90%er.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 7, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would reword the question

‘cause I trust KP to do the best job he can of whatever it is he does for the Blazers. I trust him 100%. But that’s not to say that I think he’ll actually do the best thing 100% of the time. He’s been on a roll, but he could definitely make some mistakes. We have yet to see how some of his moves are going to play out in the end.

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by CatMan2 on Aug 7, 2008 10:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm with you

in that we still have to wait and see. I’ll give him my undying loyalty after we win a championship.

by lethaldose on Aug 7, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The best part

Is that KP will likely look like a genius who is batting 1000% for the next decade or so (which by then his legend will be firmly established and become FACT, not opinion, ala Red Auerbach or Jerry West) because we ALREADY GOT WHAT WE NEED!

We got The Oden, The Roy, The LMA, The Either Best Bench In The League or Future Starters, we’re set, game, match. AND we get to add a player for ‘free’ with cap space.

No matter who we add, or if one of Rudy/Bayless/Travis/Batum/Martell don’t work out, we’re still in amazing shape and KP comes out smelling like roses—of course, he deserves the pleasent scent, as he created his rose garden we’re living and loving in.

There’s not really going to be a situation where KP can be “wrong”. Just different shades of “right” from here on out, since we already GOT our team.

We got questions; we’re too young to not have ‘em. Those will be answered by the players though, with KP reacting to those answers. We will consolidate or trade a few good players for what we need. Even if, say, Bayless gets traded and becomes the next Arenas for someone else, we’re still going to be a great team so no one can argue with the move—they’ll say a scorer like that didn’t fit (which might not be the case, but that is how it shall be seen since we are good).

Basically, he’s set himself up so well that he has to try really hard to make a mistake. There won’t be future draft picks to muck up and get a bust (we’re gonna be mid-to-late 1st round, you can’t call someone a bust there in any meaningful fashion). The free agent/trade we make with cap space might end up not being the best move we coulda’ done, but again: we’re gonna be good either way so it’ll look like the right move no matter what happens.

So, KP can take the next dozen years off, let things sort themself out, and all the while never be ‘wrong’.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 8, 2008 2:50 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Meant to add

The ‘faith in our front office’ thing my pal ptwnblzr brings up is HUUUUUGE. He’s right; go around any fan-run NBA blog and everyone either hates their front office or has homers apologizing for every awful move. If you’re a T-Wolves fan, is there ANY reason to expect McHale to make a good draft pick? He never has, besides KG (of course, lucky for them it’s being reported that they got more of a team approach to that team’s management now, and not just McHale showing up late and throwing darts at the draft board).

As a fan, can you trust the Bulls management (Ben Wallace, Tyrus, Larry Hughes)? Danny Ferry (Larry Hughes, Ben Wallace)? Memphis? Clippers? Jordan in Charlotte? Basically, any former star player running a team? Bird, Jordan, Mullin, Isiah, Elgin, uhhh, who else… all either sucked or suck.

That’s what happens when you put someone in control of your team without that person earning the job. It’s insulting to the fans to pander in that way, just giving them a familiar name to run the team without that person being the best for the job. It’d be like giving Drexler an important front office job just because he’s Drexler, even though he hasn’t earned it and was infamous for being a lazy coach for Houston University. It’d be just for cheap PR.

This is the first time since I became a self-aware, conscious being that I have complete faith in the front office. That is pretty rare, and maybe nonexistant for a team that hasn’t even made the playoffs yet. Every other fan has worries about blatant incompetence, front office egos, cheap owners, all that noise that we don’t gotta deal with no mo’.

We, as Portland Trail Blazer fans, are extremely lucky. I hope we don’t take it for granted. Just go to any random SBN NBA site and you’ll see how lucky we is, even before we start winning.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 8, 2008 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rank them - best and worst GMs

I think it’s hard to make up a 1 to 30 ranking of the best GMs and front offices in the league, also because that gets influenced by their scouts, luck (Boston, anybody), etc. But you should be able to roughly group them. Here is a try, probably forgot someone who is new or not that important:

Best of the best:
Kevin Pritchard, Portland
R.C. Buford, Spurs (can’t argue with that many titles, can you?)
Sam Presti, Seattle/OKC (really good for the environment and players he has to work with. Go convert 1 player into 4 first round picks)

Best of the rest:
Joe Dumars (one horrible draft for Darko Milicic, but apart from that he is solid)
Mitch Kupchak (upgraded due to the Pau Gasol trade and managing not to let Kobe go)
Rod Thorn, New Jersey (converted Marbury into J. Kidd, then Kidd into Harris)
Danny Ferry, Cavaliers (reportedly one of the hardest negotiators in the business, worst mistake was signing Hughes)
Bryon Colangelo, Toronto (found Amare Stoudamire for Phoenix, does a solid job for Toronto)

Kind of okay:
Randy Pfund, Miami (acquired Shaq, but made two horrible deals for Ricky Davis in his career)
Donnie Nelson, Dallas (good overall job, but should be achieving much more considering his GM is willing to spend like Allen)
Daryl Morey, Houston (acquired Luis Scola from Suns, Ron Artest deal, and others)
Danny Ainge, Boston (horrible before he pulled off the the trades in 2007)
John Paxon, Chicago (has a really bad owner, and e.g. pulled off a great deal that landed them Deng, but also made mistakes)
Otis Smith, Orlando (Howard > Okafor and other good decisions)
Jeff Bower, New Orleans
Kevin O’Connor, Utah
Ed Stephanski, Philadelphia
Donnie Walsh, New York (good job with Indiana, first actions for Knicks don’t look too good)
Ernie Grunfeld, Washington (found Michael Redd, manages to keep the players he wants)

Barely passing, would have expected more:
Rod Higgins/Michael Jordan, Charlotte
Larry Bird, Indiana
Rick Sund, Atlanta
Chris Mullin, Golden State
Steve Kerr (the other end to the deal with Presti, if Shaq doesn’t work out at all he could be gone quickly)
Whoever now is GM for the Bucks, Milwaukee

Why does he still have a job:
Elgin Baylor, LA Clippers
Chris Wallace, Memphis
Kevin McHale, Timberwolves

Good that he doesn’t have a job anymore:
Isiah Thomas, formerly with New York
Billy Knight, formerly with Atlanta (at least we drafted Webster instead of Paul)

Odenied: Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Aug 8, 2008 4:02 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't forget

Ted Stepien – probably deserves his own category: Franchise Killing GM

Quote from the link:

Stepien, who was an All-City basketball and football player at Schenley High School in Pittsburgh, infamously made multiple questionable transactions with his teams, such as trading away several future high draft picks for mediocre players. One of the picks whom Stepien traded away turned out to be the No. 1 overall pick in the 1982 NBA Draft, James Worthy, for the Los Angeles Lakers.

In fact, all of these questionable moves led the NBA to institute what is commonly known as the “Stepien Rule,” which states that a team cannot trade its first-round pick in consecutive years.

by MavetheGreat on Aug 8, 2008 11:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow..

having your name on a rule that prevents inept decision making has got to be tough to live down.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 9, 2008 9:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow

looking through that list, it’s really incredible how many bad or mediocre GMs are out there. We have SUCH a big advantage moving forward with the KP/PA combo going for us.

by kickbrass on Aug 8, 2008 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are way too high on Presti

He deserves an incomplete. He made some great movies to get picks and has the worst team in the league largely because of his doing. Let’s ask any fan of Seattle what kind of job he has done. It might all work and he’ll be a genius, right now he’s a crappy GM with a lot of draft picks.

"The only difference between a good shot and a bad shot is if it goes in or not." - Charles Barkley

by tominhawaii on Aug 8, 2008 3:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why I don't trust KP

Transcript from KP’s call to Fred Jones.

KP: Fred, buddy, what’s up? It’s KP.
Fred: Hello Mr. Pritchard, I sure am excited to be playing with Greg Oden next year.
KP: Oh yeah, about that. Hold on a sec. I got someone who wants to talk to you. To someone else: Hey baby, you can take a break for a second, come up here and say hi.
Familiar voice: Hi Fred, it’s your wife. I’m with KP and he wanted me to tell you that you’ve been traded to New York, so he and I can be together forever.
KP: Yeah, sorry Fred, I’m boning your wife and I traded you with Zach and Dan to New York for a contract Mr. Allen will buy out and Channing Frye.
Fred: How could you do this to me? My wife? My dream to play for the Blazers? I gave up money to come here!
KP: Yeah, thanks for doing that. Since you already did me one favor, will you do one more for me and take this {expletive deleted} with you to New York? We have this hot sideline reporter coming in who loves party and I plan on hittin’ that.

KP would step over his own mother for a trade exception.

"The only difference between a good shot and a bad shot is if it goes in or not." - Charles Barkley

by tominhawaii on Aug 8, 2008 3:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

ouch

funny but ouch.

i dont think its wrong to trade away dood charictor as long as its for good charictor. trading someone who agreed to take less money to play with us on the other hand could be negatively viewed. hmmmm,
thanks for the imput.

"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT

Email Dave,
--- Mortimer --- for Blazers Edge Ambassador to the SBNations

by ptwnblzr on Aug 8, 2008 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

dood charictor?

Dood one!!

"There something going on with that Skipper. No one gets that fat eating coconuts"

by 92wastheyear on Aug 8, 2008 7:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If..

Mrs. Jones has to introduce herself to Fred as “your wife”, it probably wasn’t such a dynamite relationship to begin with.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 9, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus..

you forgot the part where the hushed strains of “Me and Mrs. Jones” were heard playing in the background.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 9, 2008 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice Approach

There are no other NBA GMs that I would rate with KP. There are a few great ones in baseball and a couple in football. In SBNation there is a site called BloggingTheBoys you might want to check out. Dave Halprin there is a godfather of SBNation and runs a board very close to our own. Of course Cowboys fans have hated Jerry Jones in the past but recently have discovered that Jerry has wised up really well over the years with Coach Parcells. Jerry can afford to have learned on the job because he is the owner as well (and 3 titles in 4 years didn’t hurt either).

I think highly of RC Buford and pretty well of Larry Bird. I think any GM looks good while they are winning and gets all the blame for the inevitable downspin. Neither is entirely accurate, Kevin McHale would have looked a little better but for the injury to Terrell Brandon and the presence of Tim Duncan in SA. Also have you ever been through a winter in upper Minnesota? Try recruiting free agents there. LeBron? I don’t think so.

The thing I am most impressed with in KP is his organization and attention to detail. He may not prove out on all of his moves but his game plan will be sound every year. He does seem to see what others miss but it seems more like a chess master taking on park blocks players. He has an ability to analyze and predict what other teams will do even years ahead. The biggest risk that any of us have in staying on the top is ego. KP seems to be doing pretty well there but time will tell if it gets away from him.Ego has a strange way of warping our perspective.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Aug 11, 2008 10:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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