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Do we need to think about locking up Martell with an extension?

Per hoopsworld...seems to make a lot of sense to me.  It would be the along the same lines of thinking when they extended Trout before last year.

 

Why Not Martell? Deron Williams, Chris Paul and Andrew Bogut are the only members of the Class of 2005 to agree to early contract extensions this summer. The odds are they won't be the only ones, but who else could it be? Raymond Felton? Marvin Williams? Jason Maxiell? Who has proven themselves enough to earn the money and the team's commitment?

How about Portland's Martell Webster? While the snickers die away for a player who has averaged 8.2 points and 3.1 rebounds while shooting 41% from the field and 37% from three-point range for his three-year career, there a couple of very good reasons why general manager Kevin Pritchard and the Blazers should consider doing just that.

1 – It would be cheap. If Portland could get three more years tacked onto the end of his deal in the $10-12 million range, isn't that a decent investment? It could be for both sides. Webster hasn't proven himself a valuable player – yet – but he has started 115 games in three years. He's also likely the team's starting small forward this year, because of Coach Nate McMillan's preference to keep Travis Outlaw with the second group and the fact Rudy Fernandez probably can't play much at the three. Giving Webster a modest raise for a short period of time could set him up for a possible big paycheck in the future while guaranteeing some money, and the team could get his services for cheap while banking he outperforms the deal by keeping his starting job on a team expected to be a conference challenger in the next 2-3 years.

2 – It wouldn't affect the desire to have cap space in 2009. When the contracts of Raef LaFrentz and Steve Francis come off the cap next summer the Blazers supposedly want to go after a big name. While it would seem like extending Webster now would go against that desire by adding another guaranteed deal, the opposite is actually true. Webster will make just under $3.8 million this season and become a restricted free agent next July. The qualifying offer for Webster is just over $5 million, but the hold his slot places on the cap is a max money deal because he was drafted sixth overall and restricted free agents on rookie scale contracts have cap holds of 300% - or a max contract, whichever is lower. Webster gets the max slot of over $13 million. By signing him now to a cheaper deal – let's just say $5 million – that reduces Portland's cap holds next summer by $8 million, essentially giving them more money to work with. Portland will not renounce their rights to Martell Webster for nothing – not part of the modus operandi – and so unless they plan on trading Webster between now and next July, at least opening talks about a shorter, economical extension seems like savvy move for the team. And as we all have seen, Pritchard is no stranger to savvy moves.

So, dear readers – who else might be worth getting an early extension from their team, in a move that might make things easier for them down the road? Should the Pistons talk with Maxiell, since he could still be cheap since he's coming off the bench and now having to deal with the impact of Kwame Brown on his minutes? Should the Cats talk with Felton even though they just drafted D.J. Augustin? Andrew Bynum in L.A.? Rashad McCants in Minnesota? Danny Granger in Indiana? Throw your ideas in the comments below.

Some of these would be risks to extend early because they haven't proven a ton yet, but the costs associated couldn't be any worse than taking a risk on a player who would be new to the system, the coaches, and the players already on the team.

If it works out, the team gets more cheap labor and the player can sign a bigger deal in a couple years then they would get next summer. If it doesn't, it's not the kind of contract that becomes an albatross around the neck of the team's salary cap.

FYI – For the Blazers Ike Diogu and Channing Frye could have similar impacts on Portland's 2009 summer plans. Their qualifying offers are $3.9 million and $4.3 million, respectively, but their cap holds are $11.8 million and $12.8 million. Portland will have to deal with those before they can go after a big name, big money free agent.

 

 

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yes, and Channing too

Frye actually has a certain guaranteed market value (barring injury), plus he clearly loves being in Portland. Hence the kind of moderate deals that Steve Blake and Trout got last year could be pursued for both of these guys. I would be very surprised if the Blazers would relinquish the rights to either of the players next year (don’t know yet for Diogu), hence the cap hold would be on the order of 20 million for both. Signing them for around 5 or less per year would trim that in half. plus they wouldn’t be BYC in summer 2009, for trading purposes.

by BrailleTaser on Aug 7, 2008 6:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see Frye stay

Other than him being a nice, friendly guy who loves it in portland and loves fan interaction, he’s a very servicable back up PF and C. He’s the perfect guy to have around if one of the big men goes down.

by Bskey on Aug 7, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

with both guys we’d have a starter (webster) and a key backup (frye), who’ll both be counted on to play significant roles, especially frye, since Aldridge, Oden and Przybilla all have had some health issues to this point in their careers.

by lefty6283 on Aug 7, 2008 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would be outright unfair for the rest of the league

if we could lock up them both for a total of $10 million per. With the large number of teams in the league looking at cap space next year, if either of those guys improves at all upon last season, they’d probably looking at bigger paydays. I mean, we’ve already seen the absurd market for young bigs where Darko gets a $40 million contract based on one semi-decent year in Orlando and every decent starter at the 4/5 gets $10 million per. A decent year by Frye would probably put him around $7 or $8 million on the open market, at the very least the full midlevel.

As for marty, it’s very possible and almost likely that he’ll finally crack the 40% mark on threes this year, and given his high character and willingness to play defense, I’d say there’s a good chance a team like the spurs or someone could come in at him with the full midlevel. I know it’s not exactly a cap busting number, but getting him for $5 mil per rather than 6 per makes every bit of our final cap space harrah count. And if he someone manages to explode this year (unlikely, I know, given his role on the team), he could be looking at $7 mil per from a team with cap space that loses out in the FA sweepstakes.

My point is, it’s not completely out of the question that if both those guys have big years like a lot of us think, we could be looking at dropping $15 million if we want to keep both those guys which would take a huge chunk out of our cap space if we haven’t made a trade by then. Getting them for 2/3s of that would be big.

by Royster on Aug 7, 2008 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rule #1, Yo

http://www.blazersedge.com/story/2007/5/27/35733/4476

Just sayin’..

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 7, 2008 6:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

did you read rule number 1?

good etaquette is not to much to ask. just out of curiousity, what offended you?

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 8, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would you expect someone to look that far in the past for a fanpost?

People seem to like to one-up and criticize each other for the most stupid things. Yeah, he’ll say “I was just making sure he knew the rule.” You know…just get over it. He double posted something. What a sin. He posted something that a number of people probably haven’t thought about recently and he gets some stupid snide comment. That’s what offends me.

Just sayin’...

by Mike-Fu on Aug 9, 2008 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't expect ANYbody

to go back through all the conversations on this sight, that would seriously take forever. But I would expect the people “in the know” to assist the facilitator in upholding the standard.

People DO like to play the one-up game. : ( I didn’t see it, if only the slightest rub. Maybee thats the game i’m playing now, sad for me if I am. : (

I’ve felt responsible to take action myself that I didn’t want to, and used the “just sayin”, just HOPING I didnt come off ‘nis style. So I could feel both sides, mainly cause I’ve been on both sides, and it does suck to be told.

Your right though, I dont think it was a big deal. But, its what the Moderator(said in deep pscy-fi style voice) has asked for, and since its his house, and this IS kind of a kool place to hang out and talk ball or whatever…...

All-in-all, I can see how it could be interpreted as snide, and I don’t think we can over discuss the importance of not being a jerk about not being a jerk, since its applicable for so many situations. Not that I think anyone was being a jerk persay. 12sharks, to me anyway, seams intelligent and kind, I could certainly be wrong though, and Nobodies mad at … let me scroll up hear … Ptownbeaver, whos relativley new and just tryin’ to contribute, for not doing her doctorate reserch of the BEdge before posting.

Good read btw

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 9, 2008 2:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woah woah woah..

Did you guys even click the link I made?

The rule in question reads:

1. If you quote an outside source you must give credit to that source with a link and only quote a small portion.

It goes on to say:

Two or three sentences is generally the maximum allowed. This will become more and more important as the site continues to garner national attention. Legal-types take a very dim view of wholesale cutting and pasting. (They tend to call it “stealing”.)

I wasn’t criticizing Ptownbeav for redundant posting AT ALL – he was just really, really breaking the FIRST RULE of this site and as I was sure he didn’t know I gave him a link. What’s so terrible about that?

Here is the ONLY original content by Ptown in this fanpost:

Per hoopsworld…seems to make a lot of sense to me. It would be the along the same lines of thinking when they extended Trout before last year.

All the rest is, verbatim, from a hoopsworld article. Quit calling me a jerk.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 9, 2008 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

really?

i didn’t call you a jerk, i said that i could see how someone else could interprate your offering as such thats all.

and i quote

Not that I think anyone was being a jerk persay. 12sharks, to me anyway, seams intelligent and kind, I could certainly be wrong though, and Nobodies mad at … let me scroll up hear … Ptownbeaver, whos relativley new and just tryin’ to contribute, for not doing her doctorate reserch of the BEdge before posting.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 9, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

i know that I should always look when someone has posted while im trying to. lol

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 9, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah..

thanks for having my back, homie.

Like I said, though, it wasn’t a redundancy thing, it was a copying-whole-articles thing.

You seem intelligent, too. Except for that time you misspelled USA “USE” – that’s kind of like forgetting the number for 9-1-1, isn’t it?

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 9, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

neighbors hear me laughing!

i just kant do the lol any more. uuhhgg. yah its pretty bad, but its more like fat fingering the touchpad on the phone and then wondering why im getting some chix voicemail, instead of not remeboring.

I had to read the whole thread befor i realised that he might not have actually clicked on your link, and just asumed that rule number one was against double posting. a fair assumption if hes been arround for any length of time, since i have seen people be kinda rude about catching up the noobies.

"I love Sheed. I wish he’d write a children’s book. Maybe he’d call it - How to $&%# Cuss Like a Big Boy."
--- tominhawaii on May 29, 2008 6:29 PM PDT

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 9, 2008 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing that gets me is ROFL – if you’re literally rolling on the floor, how can you possibly type four uppercase letters?

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 9, 2008 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whoops

My Whoa Whoa Whoa comment was supposed to be directed towards you, not ptwn. Please read it and cut me a thick slice of slack.

Also, for reference, here’s the article I mentioned at the end. Scroll down a little to check it out – looks familiar, doesn’t it?
http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=9712

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 9, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

your ok in my book kissinger;-)

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 9, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad...

I’m one those guys that doesn’t read the manual when I put something together like from Ikea or whatever…broke the 1st commandment, yikes!

by Ptownbeaver on Aug 7, 2008 7:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

S'ok

That was a long time ago. I wouldn’t expect someone to scroll back through a couple months of posts just to see if something has been discussed. This topic will turn up several times until Martell, Channing, and Ike are signed or traded anyway.

Good find. I’m still betting on one signed, two traded. Though if they really would sign cheap, multi-year deals I’m sure we’d be happy to keep two at least, if nothing else because those cheap deals make attractive trade bait as well. But I do think both Martell and Channing will be considering their future options here, including and especially playing time. It’s not often you see guys sign relatively cheaply on a team where their minutes could be eaten away at any given moment.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 7, 2008 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

When you say "one signed", do you mean extended by Halloween?

I’m leaning toward one signed, one renounced (Diogu, unless he really surprises this year,
although I can’t imagine how he’d get the opportunity to do that unless there’s an injury wave),
and one either traded or signed.

Now that the schedule is out, I don’t know what actual EVENT can happen before training camp that I’m awaiting.
And considering an extension would best happen during training camp,
I feel like I’m stuck in a there-will-be-no-news zone for the next month and a half.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Aug 7, 2008 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry..

I’ve never brought the hammer down here before – I found it unwieldy and hopefully didn’t hurt any feelings.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 7, 2008 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We need to think about locking Martell up with an asbestos straitjacket . . .

. . . because the man is on FIYUH!

(Okay, the off-season is officially getting to me now.)

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Aug 7, 2008 7:47 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Is it possible..

to put someone on a sort of scaling contract?

For instance, could we say, “O.K. Martell, Ike and Channing – here ya go. The owner of this team’s got some deep pockets and you’re all already millionaires. However, we’d like us some cap space come summer, so here’s what we’re gonna do: You all get really comfy, multi-year contracts, but you all only get $1mil each next year after that, you’ll get more than enough to make up for this year. You sign this and you get security plus benefits and we get to keep our cap space for the big push. After that, you’ll be rolling in it and PA won’t care because we’re probs into the luxury tax by that point, anyway.”

Is it allowed? Would they go for it?

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 7, 2008 11:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not allowed

He is coming off his rookie contract next year (fourth year). The minimum they could offer him is the one year qualifying offer, which must be 30% above your last salary. If they want to extend him, they have to offer at least $5 million in Martell’s case (sixth draft pick).

They could extend him between now (July 1st) and October 31st for up to 6 years (5 + the one left) for anything up to the maximum, cause he is in his last team option season next year. But then the maximum raise they can give you per year is 10.5 percent on the new contract, not e.g. $1 mill. one year and 10 the next.

Odenied: Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Aug 7, 2008 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you guys know this stuff?!

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 8, 2008 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it would not hurt us to extend both Webster and Frye

for reasonable salaries next season. By reasonable, I mean to a level above the full mid-level extension but not by a huge amount. This presumes they both live up to their expected growth expectations. Locking them up for a 3-4 year deal starting in the range of 5-7 million for Webster and 6-8 million for Frye (let’s face it Big men always get more) is a fair deal for both sides. Neither player should expect a better offer if they wait until RFA. and if they really play well in 3-4 years they can renogiate a new contract when their reaching their primes (the real payday). Even by sign them for the 7 and 8 million respectively, they Blazers will have plenty of cap space, to sign a near max (if not Max) contract. Or course we’d have to either let Ike go or trade him to maintain the full cap space. This year Ike and Frye will be fighting for the contract with the Blazers because whoever wins it will be the 3rd big in the rotation when we roll though for championship runs.

by NWfan on Aug 7, 2008 11:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

by offering more than full mid-level

we restrict our competition to only those teams with cap space next year. And then then must consider their respective value to the other potential free agents, which may be a bit humbling. This neither low balls the player or significantly overpays the player. Offering only 3-4 years reduces the risks by both sides. It is fair but give KP the best bargaining power.

by NWfan on Aug 7, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if you all have been following prices this off-season...

................................. but it seems to me that things are WAY UP (Bogut, anyone?) and I think there is a little dreaming going on if people really think that a starting 3 just coming into his own chronologically is going to be signed for anything CLOSE to $5 million (double that!), nor a young player of Frye’s size (again, the market probably closer to $10M than $5M).

I’m all for extending Webster and am sort of “wait and see” on Frye—but don’t think this is going to be a cheap proposition, because it’s not. Rookie contract salaries are artificially deflated, and the market price for veteran services is SUBSTANTIALLY higher.

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 8, 2008 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Travis signed a bad (for him) extension, by the way...

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 8, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like these guys

But we signed Travis for $4M a year, and I don’t see that Martell has earned a huge amount more than that. I would say $5M a year for three years would be a very good offer for both parties. If Martell plays better than that, he’s going to be very rich in three years. If not, he hasn’t destroyed us.

I don’t see any more than $5-6M for Channing, even though big men get more. He didn’t play that much for us even with Greg out. If Channing wants to stay, he has to accept his role and the financial ramifications of it. I’d love him to stay. This next year he might play well enough to justify better than that. But I just don’t see that he has done so yet. If he is extended now, it limits our cap flexibility next summer when it matters most, so that means it has to be at a lower price.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 8, 2008 6:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The first 50 games.

With Frye, Webster and Diogu on the cusp, next year will be every bit as challenging for KP as the last several years. This is why the first 40-50 games will be so critical to the Blazers, and to everyone of these players. We can’t, after all, slide into the summer with a combined cap hold of $37.6 million. At the same time, we must carefully evaluate who we will be keeping going forward, as well as negotiate realistic contracts that enable us to keep the team we want together, or to trade the player in the future without having to take some of their salary back because we overpaid.

There’s no question this is going to be a critical time frame for the Blazers and for these players. We will finally have to decide if Martell is the SF of the future, or if we need to improve the spot. This means he simply must step his game up another notch. He alone controls his real value going forward, not the Blazers. He’ll either be signed and kept, or signed and traded, or simply traded in combination with cap space. In terms of Frye, I agree with others that he also needs to find his permanent role on the team. From where I sit, if he wants to have more money, then he needs to demonstrate value at both the SF and Center spots. The key to championships is having key second line players than can cover two positions as needed. Starters are the most valuable, and two way players get the next level of pay. Players who are not starters and who cover only one position generally stay in the $2-$4 million range – permanently(Jones/Posey). It’s nice right now having the luxury of Pryz to back Oden, and Frye and Diogu to back Aldridge, but Diogu and Pryz are pretty much permanently cast at the positions they play. If Frye can play effectively two ways, it enables the Blazers to trade Pryz and his salary, for example, and substitue a cheaper version big body for minimal minutes. Diogu also has to step up. We don’t really, after all, know what he’s worth right now.

The issue for early signing, of course, is going to be complicated by the players themselves. If they think they’re worth more, they’re going to want to show it on the court before signing. So it is going to be quite a dance.

by Eben Calder on Aug 8, 2008 7:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oden hasn't played an NBA minute, even in pre-season...

................................. Pryz isn’t going anywhere, because he’s going to be playing half the time in each game, very nearly.

Diogu is probably odd man out if Frye progresses. (Bearing in mind I still HATE the way Frye hoists long jumpers…)

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 8, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Better get used to that

cuz that’s what he’s been working on this summer.

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Aug 8, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know, I know...

................................ We’ll see if the defenses the Blazers face make that a valuable skill. I still contend you want your 6’10” guys underneath rucking for rebounds, not floating 18 foot jumpers…

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 8, 2008 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's because you don't believe in Oden's offense

Those of us who think he’s going to be a major, major threat on offense from the get-go like the idea of Channing preventing the PF from doubling over on Greg.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 8, 2008 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The jury is still out... That MIGHT change the situation enough to make Frye a good fit...

...................................... Frye also played the low post correctly in the last 5 or whatever games he started and that sort of turned my head a little. I didn’t think he had it in him, having seen him as the basketball equivalent of Shaun “Don’t Hit Me, Bro” Alexander.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 10, 2008 9:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wait and see

I am leaning way towards wait and see….It will be Players vs.salaries for sure…But they are building a team, so the fit and and roles the players have will make the final determination….IMO, they will not want to continue signing players on potential…..But that said, they can’t play all the players either…so having bench players that don’t play much is inevitable…They would become insurance for injuries…Webster as a starter on a title contender?.....The jury is still out, but 50 % into the season may bring them back.

by 67 on Aug 8, 2008 11:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could we get him for

3 years/ 13 millions?
I don’t think so. If he accepted it, I’d do it.

by Falcao on Aug 8, 2008 9:45 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He should fire his agent if he brought him that deal...

................................. Lottery pick, starting 3 in the NBA. What was Darius Miles’ contract again???

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 8, 2008 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just an Observation

I’m not suggesting trading Pryz particularly. Merely pointing out that one dimensional players never make as much money as two -dimensional players and starters. Most of the meaningful minutes on most teams, after all, are played by 8 players, and maybe nine. As we saw last year, and will likely see in the future, most of the time at guard will be consumed by three players. If we have the right 5 players for the forward/center spots, they would also consume most of the minutes at those positions. These are the core of the team and the guys we want to pay the bucks to to keep. This allows us to then drop the salary’s of the rest down into the $1 million to $3 million range – at best. Giving us the money to keep the core together. Right now, I’m merely speculating – not proposing. Outlaw can play two positions off the bench, for example. Which is one reason I think he’ll be around awhile (assuming some modest defense/dribbling improvement). That leaves 4 players. Now, three of those players will be the starters – Aldridge, Oden and the starting SF (Webster or other). That leaves one spot open in that upper tier. A player who can give quality time at both the center and PF position would be ideal. Frye has shown some possibilities there. However, some of you are worried about his “rebounding” and others about his “scoring”. Conversely, if he actually does what Mac told him to do – which is improve his shooting, then the issue might be rebounding. However, if that were the case, then a less expensive old line power forward like Diogu might be preferable to a more expensive Pryz in the scheme of things. Pryz, because he could actually start for some teams in the league, will always be pretty expensive 16 minute insurance on the bench. In the end, we’ll have around 40 – 48 minutes available for second tier players at the three front line positions. The right two players could consume much of that time.

by Eben Calder on Aug 8, 2008 10:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Pryz is world class at what he does and has proven to have the ability to start...

................................. A legitimate backup center, when most teams barely have a starter? What a luxury!

There’s no need to economize, just lock up Joel and don’t forget to use him.

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 8, 2008 6:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 8, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Martell should definitely be resigned

this year. I expect his contract to be more in the 6 mil raising to 8 mil range. (Boy that’s a lot of money but the crazy salaries of the NBA say to me that this is not out of line.)

Hopefully Martell is working on his ball control and dribbling for driving to the basket. For anyone who has forgotten Martell’s 24 points in one quarter, here is the You Tube of it: http://tinyurl.com/65pvs7 The coaches, Nate was at his mother-in-law’s funeral, called plays for Martell that often set up 2 picks for his open shots.

Martell also would score on fast break opportunities—something again that hopefully Nate will emphasize after his Olympic Asst Coach experience. Jack Ramsey used to say those were points there for the taking as they are usually high percentage shots near or at the basket. Martell can dunk most definitely.

So how Martell does this coming season depends greatly on whether plays are called for him. To me it appears that Nate stations Martell in the corner, or some other spot behind the 3 point line, to stand there while someone else tries to make a play. Martell only gets the ball after the other player’s play is stopped and he passes to Martell for perhaps an open shot. Other times Martell handles the ball just passing it around the outside. I would like more plays called for Martell to see how he has improved and to give him a chance to become a viable, game after game scoring option.

Stu Inman: a soft-spoken, witty and brilliant basketball guy -- who had so much to do with Portland's only championship. He believed that you won with not just great players, but with great people. (D Jaynes 2-2-07 Portland Tribune)

by OrygunRod on Aug 8, 2008 8:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Marty MIGHT sign an extension now in the 6-8 range...

.......................................... If I were him, I’d play the year out and if it turns out well, he’d pretty easily be in the $10M neighborhood, probably on the fat side of that.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 10, 2008 9:09 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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