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Our Cap Space and the L**ers

Assuming that Brandon Roy plays about as well, and often as he has so far (19ppg 5rpg 5 apg) and LaMarcus gets to, or close to the heralded 20ppg and 10rpg, these two will combine to sign contracts that are at least somewhere in the $18-22 million in 2010-11.  The next year, Oden will need to sign a contract, which may be larger than those two, seperatley.  These are the “Big Three” and combined that will make around $35 million I imagine.  Possibly they could be closer to $40 million.  That is a large portion of money for three players, but they also can possibly lead us to the coveted championship(s).   We have many, what most of us Blazer fans refer to as, role players.  Martell, Travis especially will likely garner more than the mid-level ($6-8 million each).  Blake will stay around the same $4-6 he is now.  That is another $18-20 million.  So far, with six players we have about $54 million against the cap.  Add in Bayless, Rudy and Batum ($4.7M combined)  as guaranteed salaries amd we are closer to 60M in 2011-12.  The salary cap will most likely be $62-65M based on the last three years of growth.  That is 9 players, barely under the salary cap.

Now, we don’t have to sign all these guys,  most likely it will be one or the other with Martell and Travis, or Blake may lose playing time and not wish to come back.  We may need front court depth and have to have Channing or Diogu.  There are numerous scenarios, but the point is that all of these players are taking cap space and are there really any better options for the same amount of cash? The Big Three should be a given, and placing somewhat questionable talent around them shouldn’t be a big deal, but why not save our cap room and work with what we have? 

There was a team that had 2 great players with a slew of pretty good role players, that team was the 99-00 L**ers

O’Neal/Oden-Big, strong guys that command the double team and can pass out of it.

Bryant/Roy-I actually think that Roy is better than K*be was in 2000 and can bring more to the game.

AC Green. Horry, Grant/Aldridge-Aldridge is already better than all three of these guys were in ’00,’01 and ’02, so this would be a great advantage.

Derek Fisher, Ron Harper/Blake- Is Steve not as good as these two were during the Championship years?  Fisher and Blake are very similar is style of play, and Harper had leadership but he couldn’t hit a three or stay in front of anyone. This also shows you that a great true point guard isn’t needed.

 

Glen Rice, Devon George/Martell is a better defensive player than Rice was and a better offensive player than George

Bench:

Rick Fox, Brian Shaw, Robert Horry, Mad Dog/Travis, Rudy, Bayless, Frye-Not even close, I’d take any two guys from our list and have them play all four of their guys.

 

The L**ers built around two dominant players, the Blazers will have at least three “great” players and I can see Oden and LMA becoming dominant in the future.  The Blazers and its fans should only be concerned with retaining our best talent and using the resources that we have so if something doesn’t turn out the best, we have the ability to change it without a complete rebuilding (Which means no Luxury tax). 

 

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Agree completely

But what if “The Lionhearted” immediately bursts out and demands that we now have a big 4?

Guys like Blake, Pryz and Frye (and Travis?) will hopefully stay for less. If not there certainly will be others who will get in line for a run at a ring or three.

The Oden Era, Day 406

by Heymoe on Aug 6, 2008 2:16 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice post

I like the comparison, but I think Kobe was better in 2000 than Roy is now. I do believe that Roy could be there soon though.

I am the master of my fate, I am the Captain of my soul. - Charles Wesley

by Earl on Aug 6, 2008 2:21 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

K*be...

averaged more points and rebounds, Roy averaged 3 less points while being the first option most of the time, yes, but Kbe took slightly more shots and averaged less assists. Not to mention the Saq factor, constant kick outs of double teams, which I hope Oden can provide. Plus, Roy has leadership, something that Bryant didn’t even try until S*aq left.

by Grey Home on Aug 6, 2008 2:27 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What?

What’s wrong with the word “Shaq”? Is that another dirty word? Seems like Shaq’s been irrelevant and non-Lakery for long enough now that his name can be spelled – or has he?

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Aug 6, 2008 3:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just decided to call him "Snaq" from now on.

I’m a genius that way.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Aug 6, 2008 4:31 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cause Oden's gonna eat him

as an appetizer??

"There something going on with that Skipper. No one gets that fat eating coconuts"

by 92wastheyear on Aug 6, 2008 9:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

more like for breakfast

shaq – the breakfast of champions

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 6, 2008 11:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

very nicely played

"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 6, 2008 11:42 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not that I take any pleasure in demolishing your fantasies...

But Oden is going to command double-teams?

Isn’t this just wishful thinking on your part?

We know Oden has excellent strength and athleticism and all signs point to his being a true force on the defensive end. But how did you arrive at the conclusion that Oden’s going to command double teams? Read the scouting reports:

a) He doesn’t have a refined back-to-the-basket game.
b) He doesn’t have a big assortment of moves.
c) He scored most of his points on ‘oops and put-backs.

We have not seen substantial development of Oden’s post-game whatsoever. Fact.

You may argue that Oden will succeed chiefly because of his strength and explosive athleticism. That is, in part, how Shaq succeeded for so long, but that’s where the comparison ends and key differences emerge. In contradistinction:

a)Shaq is/was at least 50 lbs heavier.
b)Shaq has/had impeccable footwork.
c)Shaq took a real beating year in and year out, and remained highly durable until the injuries finally caught up with him in the late stages of his career.

Given his history of injuries and given the physical toll centers must endure, Oden’s durability is questionable. You can’t call him soft but he has a reputation for being brittle.
And when you take into account his lack of a low-post game, and when you take into account he’s going to be guarded by more experienced and more athletic defenders, it’s very difficult to argue he is going to be anything like Shaq offensively.

It’s kind of a bizarre comparison, IMHO.

A more realistic team to compare the Blazers to down the road, in terms of key personnel, are the Nuggets team that upset the Sonics in 1994.

Oden: Mutombo
LaMarcus Aldridge: LaPhonso Ellis(LaLoL)
Roy: Bryant Stith(while both are big guards, Roy is a much, much, much better player)

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by ignign*kt on Aug 6, 2008 4:59 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agree about him not being Shaq offensively.

Odens footwork, ball handling, speed and now outside shooting (he’s been working on that a lot in his down time incase you didn’t know) are all good to great for someone his size. Oden is known as a defensive minded center but he can still put up 15-25 points any given night. As well as being able to shoot effectively with either hand. And this was a strength he didn’t always have but adapted to, so you know he’s a good learner and not one of those guys who will just be stuck as the player he comes in as.

People often mistake Blazers enthusiasm for Oden as homerism, when a lot of it is national analysts getting giddy and tingly over the thought of Oden playing. The guy doesn’t get compared to Tim Duncan, Bill Russell, David Robinson and other greats as well as many saying he’s headed for the HoF (even Russell himself said great things about Oden) when he hasn’t played a second in the NBA for nothing. Oden has incredible athleticism but he doesn’t just rely on that. He can flat out play. He knows how to get teammates involved and often emphasizes doing just that and he knows where to be and what he should be doing.

He is freakishly strong, he was before his injury as is even more so now. Any and all homerism aside he is probably going to come into this season as the strongest player in the league. Some may doubt that but he was already on Howard and Amare’s level before buffing up. Calling him brittle is a bit unfair. His injuries are separate from one another and in the case of his wrist just bad luck. I mean really, everyone gets wrist injuries. Brittle would be him not putting in the effort to overcome his injury and play through it, or work on his rehab from his surgery almost every day to come back stronger and better than before. His knee was not as severe as Amare’s and I don’t think you would say one of the most efficient scorers and explosive big men currently playing is suffering too much right now from his knee.

Anyway, again I don’t mean to say I think Oden will have Shaq’s offensive game any time soon, probably not ever but too many people seem to be underestimating Oden’s offensive and all around game now that the hype gone due to an injury and not playing for a year. I understand why though, as it would happen to any athlete expected to be the next best thing only to not play due to an injury.

by Bskey on Aug 6, 2008 7:49 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

how many ohio state games did you watch?

looking back on those games, it’s not like his offensive game is completely undeveloped. the reason he will command double teams is because there are few who can physically matchn up with him..Combo PF/C’s will get eaten up…guys like runner up ROY last year Al Hortford..A big guy in his own right, cant match up with him…he’s too strong, and can back his way to the rim for either a dunk, or a soft layup/hook shot which i’ve seen he can make with either hand, and he can shoot free throws….

All i know is he’s gonna be a load to handle, and it seems hard to expect any guy to do it by himself…the jury is still out on how he will match up with elite centers….im confident his defense will cause problems, but your right, his offense remains the question…....the thing is, what he does, can’t be stopped. Not unless you match up physically…

i hope odens breaks the backboard, his first possession in the nba. Even if he has to charge through Andrew Bynum to do it….there couldnt be any greater statement signifying his dominance in the game…

But youre right, to me Oden looks more like David Robinson then Hakeem…his size though compares to Shaq when he entered the league…i hope he finds a little hakeem in him, and something tells me he has that potential…........even hakeem was a little “raw” in college…..

Hopefully Oden becomes a Shaq/Duncan combo….....that seems like a more realistic comparison, and i believe he has that potential…..........Also, I hope he steps up in a leadership role…..I mean, this is Brandon’s team. But with Oden’s size, if his play and demeanor sets him on roys level in terms of leadership, we have nothing to worry about for years to come…

isnt it great being a blazer fan…..

by BroyTheTruth on Aug 6, 2008 8:28 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Amen

He almost definitely won’t do it right out of the gate, but it’s not like Shaq immediately blew everyone away despite not coming off an injury like Oden is and having more college ball under his belt. People forget how completely demolished Shaq was by Hakeem in 1995 and how good Penny was back then. It’s not like Shaq dragged them to the brink of a championship in his second year on his own, but I digress, going back to Greg.

One of his pluses has always been his willingness to play as a center, both defensively and offensively, which means he’s spent a lot more time working on playing in the post than essentially every other young big not named Kevin Love. Remembering the NC game, he destroyed both Noah and Horford. In their only head to head games with Dwight Howard last season where they played bug minutes, Howard was pretty ineffective, and Dwight is a perfect example of a young center who has absolutely nothing going for him other than athleticism going for him, which would imply GO would have had to have more than just pure athleticism to dominate those guys the way he did. Unless they massively improved last season, I’d say that’s a good sign for GO in the long run.

head to head links:
Horford:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=howardw01&p2=horfoal01

Noah:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/fc/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&p1=howardw01&p2=noahjo01

by Royster on Aug 6, 2008 9:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

This is a CART and this is a HORSE...

........................... the HORSE goes in front of the CART. Do not get the CART in front of the HORSE. Thank you.

If the Blazers are great, world champion caliber, Paul Allen pays all the coins he needs to, because he can.

If they aren’t, he won’t.

Rex could be the next Basketball Jesus, LMA might regress, Oden might prove to be a dentist posing as a BB player. Don’t get too worked up. We’ll see in due course.

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 6, 2008 5:03 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

00 Lakers

Now you can see why I said those Laker teams were two players and a bunch of stiffs. Rudy could take on Fox, Mad Dog, and Shaw all by himself.

by PABroncofan on Aug 6, 2008 8:19 PM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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