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The "Other" Rookie

Since we talked about Jerryd Bayless and Rudy Fernandez last week it only seems fair to begin this week with that “other” rookie, Greg Oden.  Obviously we’ve discussed him several times before but since we’re around five dozen days from his official Second Coming it seems right to go over it again and start thinking in serious terms about his contributions this season.

The first thing you notice about Oden is that he’s huge.  He’s not exactly Arvydas Sabonis or Yao Ming huge, but he’s a legit seven feet...one big wall of muscle.  That he’s also strong goes without saying.  But the thing that sets him apart is he’s cat-quick.  Watching him come from the weak side, get up in the air, and block a shot is a breathtaking experience.  It’s like, “What the…WHOA!!!”  Watching him throw down a dunk with speed and power will scare you.

Greg has got a reasonably good sense of the defensive game for a young guy.  His footwork is nice and he sees the court well.  Picking up defense at an NBA level should be natural to him.

Oden has the bulk and speed to be a good offensive player as well but this part of his game will probably take longer to develop.  He had the rudiments of a couple good offensive moves the last time we saw him but he didn’t look sure where and when to put them in play.  Dunks he can handle no problem.  That little left baseline area that Joel Przybilla hangs out in while the guards do their thing should be a happy and productive home for Oden.  But going one-on-one against a guy his size could take a while to master.  To his advantage Oden already seems to be conversant with the idea of passing, foreign to many star big men when they enter the league.  He could prove a productive offensive cog even if he doesn’t score in bundles.

Greg has all of the tools to rebound well.  He needs to remember not to bring the ball down after he grabs it.  He also needs to get a little nastier before and during his rebounding forays.  As with offense, we see there’s a difference between having the body and using it.

There shouldn’t be doubt in anyone’s mind that if he stays healthy Greg Oden will be a dominant force in this league.  In fact dominant may not do it.  However we’ll probably see something less than dominance from him this season.

Oden should be able to do several things right away.  For one he will eat space in the lane as much as any center in the league.  Even if he’s not strictly the biggest his quickness will make up for that.  He can cover a ton of territory.  He’s also intimidating with that shot-blocking ability.  If he gets off to any start at all teams will fear the Blazers’ key by January.  Second he should help clear up at least part of our rebounding problem.  Third, provided he’s worked on a low post move during the past year, he should give us our best post option since Mike Dunleavy was forcing Rasheed to play down there.

However I do not expect Oden to be playing complete starter’s minutes coming off of the knee surgery…at least not right away.  Nor do I expect him to be at full speed running or cutting, nor displaying the phenomenal leaping ability.  I saw Amare Stoudemire in Summer League when he was coming back from his knee surgery and he looked bad…as in “I wonder if this guy will ever be effective again” bad.  Obviously he is effective again, as will Oden be.  But it may take some time.  Most of a season would not surprise me.  This year is going to be a trial run for Greg.  I anticipate at the end of the season he will say he is somewhat disappointed in his rookie campaign even as the rest of us are saying it wasn’t too bad for a guy just entering the league off of microfracture.  I assume we’ll see flashes of brilliance, but sustained production may have to wait.  In other words, 75-80% of Greg Oden is still going to transform this team, but I don’t see him getting close to Rookie of the Year status or anything like that.

If you pinned me down (and several people have) I’d say that 9-10 rebounds and around 1.5 blocks per game was possible and would be a great start for Greg.  That’s assuming 28-30 minutes ballpark per night.  You’ll probably see less at the beginning of the year and more in the spring.  Offensively he could be anywhere on the map.  8 points wouldn’t shock me and neither would 16, but I would guess those were about the limits.  Again we might see the lower number prevailing early, increasing as the year progresses.

Unlike the other rookies there are absolutely no playing time or rotation issues standing in Greg’s way.  That’s not a knock on Joel Przybilla, but the reality is that every minute this kid can play he is going to.  His knee, his fouls, and his conditioning are the only limitations.

In a nutshell: you can absolutely expect the moon with Greg Oden, just don’t expect to see it all this year.  If he lights it up from the get-go, more power to him.  If not, it probably doesn’t mean much other than he’s still recovering.  Don’t let any herald of doom convince you otherwise.  This isn't the season to judge Greg's full potential.  Give him some time.

One thing’s for sure:  the moment he gets announced in that first home game is going to be something magical.  I almost hope, just for the sake of that moment, that the Blazers’ first game this year is in Portland.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)  

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Has it ever happened

That two players in the same draft class both won rookie of the year?

by raoulduke on Aug 4, 2008 12:00 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

i think there was a co-rookie one year

that qualifies, right?

"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on Aug 4, 2008 12:31 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Grant Hill and Jason Kidd shared the award one year

That’s the only recent sharing of the ROY award I can think of, but I’m pretty sure it had happened before that.

So, yeah, two players could win it if they get the same amount of points in the voting. I don’t think two players from the same team have ever shared it, but who knows—back when there were like two teams (the Syracuse Rochestermans and the Rochester Syracusians were the first two NBA teams) I guess it coulda’ been easier for teammates to share the award.

This year will see THREE teammates share the award, so that’s cool. History, and whatnot.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 4, 2008 12:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Dave Cowens and Geoff Petrie shared it

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 4, 2008 2:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Elton Brand and Steve Francis were the most recent co-ROY

I was a multiple time all star throughout my little league career. Won 5 championships- 4 in a row- thats more in a row than MJ… (kenwo4life@aol.com)

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 4, 2008 11:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The 1987 draft class had two winners who did not win in the same year

In 1987, David Robinson was the No. 1 pick, but had to serve in the Navy for two years. Mark Jackson won the ROY for the 1987-88 season. When Robinson entered the NBA in 1989-90, he also won the ROY.

by jsm27 on Aug 4, 2008 11:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

He played on our summer league team last year

Obviously, he didn’t make the active roster because we haven’t seen him since then.

He did ok last summer, and I think he could find a home for a team that desperately needs depth at the big man spots, but he isn’t ready to play in the NBA for a good squadron yet.

So, this is a curious signing by KP, but he knows more than we do. Is the deal guaranteed?

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 4, 2008 12:48 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

Maybe KP will throw him in a trade with Travis Outlaw for Vet

"Oden might suck because Kwame sucked." - Mortimer on 8/3/08

by tominhawaii on Aug 4, 2008 6:11 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

We should go after Pau Gasol

That guy dominates in the low post.

If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Ice cream has no bones!

by Arby on Aug 4, 2008 10:37 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I got called a G_ _ _ _ last summer,

because I argued the exact opposite. Now I
know why Morty is the Captain.

GO BLAZERS !

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Aug 4, 2008 3:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

almost?

"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on Aug 4, 2008 12:30 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

I'm still betting...

Starter opening night, bench for the remainder of the first half of the season (with Joel starting), starting post All-Star break (provided he remains injury-free). The chemistry of the first unit is too strong to mess with until G.O. has some serious practice time under his belt.

by DonkeyShins on Aug 4, 2008 12:33 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Huhhhh?

That’s crazy talk. No way, save for injury, does Joel start over Oden especially for the sake of CHEMISTRY. Oden >>>> Joel’s impact on chemistry, unless blowing open dunks and playing 4 on 5 on offense is what our chemistry is made of.

Training camp will give Oden practice time and he can learn all of Joel’s plays on offense. There’s the one play where he stands there, and the other one where he gets out of the way. Oden might have to write them down on his hand but I think he’ll catch on.

Since I know DonkeyShins is a known smart person whom I like and care for I am assuming that I am just too tired to read the sarcasm.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 4, 2008 12:51 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Defending DonkeyShins a bit here,

Pryz stated he is not conceding the starting center position to Oden. Pryz is a determined guy and if he works hard and shows Nate more than Oden does during preseason, I don’t think it’s an outlandish thought for Oden to be coming off the bench for awhile (not that I’ll be putting any money on it ..... or even my Derick Coleman trading card).

I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I

by TwoDeep on Aug 4, 2008 9:13 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pryzbilla

I know you’re being sarcastic, but I feel like I need to defend Pryzbilla’s offensive impact a little.

1) Pryzbilla doesn’t have range, but he also doesn’t blow open dunks. In fact he usually got fouled on dunks and layups because of his reputation as a poor free throw shooter. Luckily he got better at that (still not great), and hopefully he’ll continue to improve from the line.

2) You don’t have to score to be part of the offense. Joel is easily the best guy on our team at setting picks and Nate used him for this often despite the fact that if he rolled, popped, or faded after the screen no one needed to guard him. However, he knew his limitations and he didn’t try to play outside of himself. He’s a role player, and he plays his role well.

3) I only had two points about Joel, but its weird to use numbers and only make it to two…

I’m not saying he’s better than Oden, or deserves his minutes, but I am saying that Joel will be an exceptional backup center in this league. What backup center is better? Furthermore, right NOW Joel has a better understanding of the NBA game than Greg, and DonkeyShins suggested that that will translate into NBA minutes early on in the year. Seems plausible, but as for starting over Greg, that’s ridiculous. :)

by MavetheGreat on Aug 4, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

numbers don't lie

according to 82game.com, our offense was 5.6 points per 100 possessions worse when Joel was in the game compared to when he was on the bench. That’s substantial.
http://www.82games.com/0708/07POR14D.HTM

I think Joel can be a very effective backup also, because of his defense. His offense can only be described as dreadful though.

BTW, Sergio’s offensive numbers are even more dreadful.
http://www.82games.com/0708/07POR2D.HTM

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Aug 4, 2008 12:46 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

numbers

also don’t tell the whole story.

You can only take statistics so far? If they mean everything, why even play games? Just figure out which team averages more points, and then say that team would win.

Anyway I’m not trying to say Joel = Hakeem or even Joel = Oden. I’m just not willing to describe his offense as dreadful, that would be short-sighted or perhaps focused on numbers.

by MavetheGreat on Aug 4, 2008 12:52 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

"Joel Przybilla can't score with a pencil." - Charley Rosen

Yeah, that’s too harsh, but his offensive contributions really are more in rebounding and the “immaterial” areas such as setting blocks as you pointed out. I would expect him to score 3+ points next year, as discussed a little scroll below.

Odenied: Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...

by Norsktroll on Aug 4, 2008 1:06 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

That's Joel's problem
I only had two points about Joel, but its weird to use numbers and only make it to two

They use numbers to track his points, but too often he only makes it to two.

(I love Joel, but couldn’t resist).

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 5, 2008 12:21 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No sarcasm, Mortimer...

You’ve just invested a whole lot of time, money and work in a new big man who is coming off of microfracture. You have a proven starter who played very well up until breaking his hand and is one of the better pick-setters in the NBA and who has stated he won’t cede his starting position without a fight (not literally, of course). Also, per Dave’s comments:

However I do not expect Oden to be playing complete starter’s minutes coming off of the knee surgery…at least not right away. Nor do I expect him to be at full speed running or cutting, nor displaying the phenomenal leaping ability. I saw Amare Stoudemire in Summer League when he was coming back from his knee surgery and he looked bad…as in "I wonder if this guy will ever be effective again" bad. Obviously he is effective again, as will Oden be. But it may take some time. Most of a season would not surprise me.

I think KP, Nate and the trainers will be cautiously optimistic and not rush things with G.O. They don’t want him to start out great and blow his knee again – I think they’ve learned their lessons with Walton and Bowie. I fully expect G.O. to start post All-Star break, but I think it would be irrational exuberence (thanks, Allen Greenspan!) to think he’ll start right off the bat.

And I appreciate the ‘known smart person who (you) like and care for’ comment. :-)

Warm fuzzies all around!

by DonkeyShins on Aug 4, 2008 1:13 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Didn't Nate already say

that Oden was starting at the beginning of the season?

If you're paddling upstream in a canoe and a wheel falls off, how many pancakes fit in a doghouse? None! Ice cream has no bones!

by Arby on Aug 4, 2008 2:43 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   1 recs

That is the greatest .sig I think I've ever read

I’m all a-flutter with the DaDa-ist joy of it all.

by DonkeyShins on Aug 4, 2008 5:02 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I agree with DonkeyShins

Hilarious Sig! I am rec’ing that sig.

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Aug 4, 2008 7:44 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Fractured tibia + multiple foot surgery

don’t equal Cartiladge/Micro fracture. GO will be fine.
His procedure was less pronounced than other guys
and he’s younger.
GO will start at C, with Joel backing him up and subbing,
if & WHEN GO gets in foul trouble. I think he will spend
considerable time on the bench and average 25 minutes
per game in the 1st half. After the break he will start clicking
and dominate. Final #’s – 14 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.3 bpg, 2.3 apg, 54%FG,
71% FT – All Rookie, & Playoffs

Rebounding, Intimidation, Throwdowns galore, drawing the double
and hitting the open man and DOMINATION !

now …
GET US BACK OUR BLAZERVISION !!!

It's GO time !

by walkoff41 on Aug 4, 2008 4:05 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I like Pryz, don't get me wrong

But he seems to be the most overrated player on the roster (unless you highly rate Sergio). He’s a really solid defensive center. But M hit it on the head – it’s like playing 4 on 5 offense. In effect, Pryz stifles BOTH teams’ offenses. The team’s defensive efficiency is much better with him on the court, but offensive efficiency takes a slightly bigger nosedive.

I know people have difficulty believing this stat, but by the numbers, the first unit was significantly better last year with Frye than with Pryz. It’s true.

Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Aug 4, 2008 7:22 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Pryz is a rebounding specialist with very sound low post defense...

......................... He is a world class rebounder. Overrated compared to what?

I don’t think anybody has been touting him as one of the top 5 centers in the league, etc.

He is what he is.

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 4, 2008 5:34 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

From below...

Przybilla was 4th in the NBA in rebounds/48 last year (with 17.1), so that’s pretty good.

Slightly.

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 4, 2008 5:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

I think he means

“Overrated” in the sense of Pryzzz actually challenging Oden for the starting nod or starter’s minutes. That is impossible in my best estimation, because Oden is so much better than Joel.

Of course, none of us think Joel is more than what he is, and we all like him a lot, so if KP Corleone meant beyond what I interpret he to mean, than I can’t agree.

I love Joel as a backup center. LOVE him there. As a starter, or as a big minute man, he is serviceable but can severely limit a team that had troubles scoring at times. You put him in the backup role though, and his defense and rebounding can be free to shine.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 4, 2008 5:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Im betting justs the opposite

Oden comes off the bench in the opener, then starts the rest of the season. Same thing larry brown did for Sheed’s first game in detroit; bring him in off the bench a few minutes into the game just for the insane player specific cheering.

by postup on Aug 4, 2008 9:59 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Difference

is that Oden should be up to speed on the game plan, sets, and schemes, where Rasheed still needed to learn them. Why sit Oden in the opener and start him the next game? I agree with Dave, the Blazers will give Oden as many minutes as the big dogg can take so he can develop as fast as possible.

by MavetheGreat on Aug 4, 2008 12:35 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Rebounding

I’m not so bullish on our rebounding increase with Oden. Przybilla was a beast on the boards last year. Our biggest increase in rebounding will simply be the increase in the amount of time that Oden and/or Przybilla are on the floor. Ultimately though, improving our rebounding is up to LMA/Trout/etc.

What I’m most looking forward to is having rebounding/defense AND offense in the middle… even if not so much this year.

by Gargen on Aug 4, 2008 12:34 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

2nd Unit

While we want LMA and Outlaw to improve on their rebounding, just the fact that we’ll have a potentially league leading rebounder in Oden in the 1st unit improves the rebounding there above what Joel could do, and then Joel sops up the rest of the minutes with the 2nd unit and we know he’s a good rebounder as well.

So this way, we have at least 1 great rebounder playing for 48 minutes a game. That’s better than the 20+ minutes Joel would play last year. After him, we had no strong rebounders. Adding an Oden and moving Joel to help out the backups really does improve our rebounding ability a great deal.

I’m not sure of your reasoning, but having two guys who can anchor a team’s rebounding can’t help but improve a team’s rebounding percentages, especially since we were pretty poor (aside from Joel) at boardin’ last season. And by ‘improve’, I mean ‘improve a lot’.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 4, 2008 12:55 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Re: 2nd Unit

I look at it this way. When talking specifically about rebounding during the upcoming season, I figure Oden and Przybilla are about equal. Przybilla was 4th in the NBA in rebounds/48 last year (with 17.1), so that’s pretty good.

The only rebounding advantage that I see this season is “the increase in the amount of time that Oden and/or Przybilla are on the floor” which is pretty much the same thing as “we have at least 1 great rebounder playing for 48 minutes a game. That’s better than the 20+ minutes Joel would play last year”. The extra rebounding oomph Oden gives us during those 24 minutes isn’t his total though, it’s his improvement over last year’s other “center” (Frye). Frye had a respectable 12.6 rebs/48 so we’re looking at 28 minutes of ~17.1 instead of ~12.6. That’s an extra couple per game and may be the difference between “crappy” and “so-so”, but it doesn’t seem huge.

Or to put it another way, one man does not a good rebounding team make and when it comes to Przy and Oden, we pretty much only get one man at a time.

by Gargen on Aug 4, 2008 1:15 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

The basis of your argument

is that Oden isn’t that much of a boost over Frye, so it won’t make a huge difference.

And then you turn around and say one man doesn’t make a good rebounding team. I thought you just said Channing was decent.

Frye and LMA are both pretty decent rebounders, and this year they’ll be matched against PFs all the time, instead of against centers sometimes. That should make them both better.

Travis played a lot of minutes at PF, and is a pretty poor rebounder there. He won’t this year. He’s decent at SF.

It is not just the improvement we get at center, it is the trickle down effect of other players getting their minutes at the right position.

We’ll be one of the top ten rebounding teams this year, easily, barring major injury.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 4, 2008 2:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

ive heard that logic before

reagonimics

"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on Aug 4, 2008 2:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

reagonomics

"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on Aug 4, 2008 2:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Frye is a decent rebounder.

LaMarcus is not there yet. He’s way down on the list of rebounds per 48.

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by timg56 on Aug 4, 2008 7:07 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Frye is grossly out of position all too often, hoisting long jumpers...

............................... Nor does he have the temperament to be a great rebounder.

He gets a “poor-to-middling” rating from me, LMA somewhat better.

t

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 4, 2008 5:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Timbo uses his eyes

Numbers aren’t as objective as TImbo’s eyes ;)

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Aug 4, 2008 10:04 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Please don't bother Timbo with facts

Actually, Timbo loves Channing. Channing is a perfect fit for Portland, and Timbo knows it. But he’s afraid Channing is going to leave after this year and go be a star somewhere, so he tries to convince himself he doesn’t like Channing’s game.

Also, Timbo doesn’t like guys who can shoot. Timbo likes rebounds, and when guys make their shots, they aren’t getting the rebound, and neither are any of their teammates. Made shots = fewer rebound opportunities = bad, in Timbo’s opinion.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 5, 2008 12:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Outlaw moving to the three, alone,

will have a major impact on the boards. He’s a below average rebounder at the four, and most of his minutes last year were at that spot. But he may be above average at the three.

Oden stepping in as a top flight rebounder is kind of like adding a number one seed to a tennis team. Maybe your number two guy isn’t great playing the top seeds, but he’s pretty solid against twos. Maybe your four guy becomes unstoppable playing fives. Etc.

Oden moves Pryz to backup C, Frye to backup PF, and Trout to SF. So it’s not just adding “one guy,” it’s moving everyone else around so that three or four guys improve.

Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Aug 4, 2008 7:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Precisely

Also, LMA had some minutes at center. This year, he’ll be rebounding against PFs instead of centers.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 4, 2008 8:25 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Travis played many more minutes at the 3 than the 4.

"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"

by timbo on Aug 4, 2008 5:37 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Wrong

Webster and Jones combined for 3400 minutes. At least 3200 of those minutes were at the 3, neither of them logged any significant time at any other position. 82 games at 48 mpg means 3936 minutes, add overtimes and round to about 4000 minutes at the 3 position, at least 3200 of which were taken by Webster and Jones. There were perhaps 100 minutes of small ball with three guards, meaning it is unlikely that more than 700 of Travis 2200 minutes were at the 3. The rest were at the 4, meaning he played perhaps twice as much 4 as 3.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 5, 2008 12:33 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

i think he ment will be

"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT

by ptwnblzr on Aug 5, 2008 12:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

No, not timbo

He was just practicing being wrong.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 5, 2008 4:42 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Remember your observation above...

... don’t try to sway timbo with facts.

A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
........Thomas Jefferson

The most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the
government and I'm here to help.' "
- Ronald Reagan

by timg56 on Aug 5, 2008 1:38 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

LOL

Timbo will not be swayed by anything.

I post facts for the benefit of others.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 6, 2008 5:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Lower opponent shooting percentage

Oden will control the paint when he’s in there, that means a lower shooting% for the opponent

ergo, more defensive rebounds to be had (than last year when Fry or LMA was playing backup 5)

by two4larue on Aug 4, 2008 12:24 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Oden

will stomp on Bynum, Howard, Shaq, Amare, and Yao even if all of them had steroids. That’s how insane Oden will be.

Realistically, I expect an updated Przybilla with slightly more offense as of now.

by dyshooter182 on Aug 4, 2008 12:56 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Last summer league...

Albeit that GO hadn’t gone through surgery yet, but he did play against fellow C’s that were of his own size and strength…most notably, DeSagana Diop in the game against Dallas. DD isn’t exactly a dominant center in the league but I see him as a poor man’s Pryz. Greg went 6-11 for 13 points with 4 blocks (9 fouls). Offensively, I don’t see how Greg isn’t going to dominate the blocks.

But going one-on-one against a guy his size could take a while to master.

There are very few NBA centers that are his size. He has an inch and twenty pounds on Dwight Howard, the best up and coming center in the league.

I personally think that Greg’s biggest adjustment is going to come on the defensive end; learning how to adjust to NBA officiating. Other posters have mentioned it before that foul trouble is going to be Greg’s limiting factor early on and I tend to agree. With his physical size and athleticism, even with the injury, I think we are going to see a dynamic low-post scoring option as long as he can stay in the game.

My prediction is 14pts/8rbs/1.5blks.

by PtownJake on Aug 4, 2008 1:15 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

Actually Greg has 2" on Howard.

This is without shoes. http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2004&sort2=ASC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

Howard weighted 240 lbs at the pre-draft camp.

Stu Inman: a soft-spoken, witty and brilliant basketball guy -- who had so much to do with Portland's only championship. He believed that you won with not just great players, but with great people. (D Jaynes 2-2-07 Portland Tribune)

by OrygunRod on Aug 4, 2008 7:26 PM PDT to parent up reply reply   0 recs

Dave,

Sixth paragraph, second sentence. Clarify please?

“There shouldn’t be doubt in anyone’s mind that if he stays healthy Greg Oden will be a dominant force in this league. In fact dominant may not do it. However we’ll probably see something less than dominance from him this season.”

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by annthefan on Aug 4, 2008 1:48 AM PDT reply reply   0 recs

I think Dave means

That Oden will eventually transcend dominance, and that he will be so dominant that just CALLING him ‘dominant’ will not be sufficient.

The word ‘dominant’ in regards to Oden is what ‘may not do it’, as it were.

I fully admit I could be wrong but I’ll trade you my Derrick Coleman rookie card for NOTHING if I’m not right.

You gotta pay shipping and handling of course. We’ll discuss the terms of the deal later—after I WIN.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 4, 2008 2:03 AM PDT