Monday Discussion: Take That Back!
It's easy to get wrapped up in the potential and good feelings surrounding the Blazers this summer, but a critical eye is a legitimate part of the fan package. So today we're going to consider the moves that haven't gone quite as planned.
Discussion Item: What's the one move the Blazers have made in the last five years (since the summer of 2003) that you would have done differently and why?
To compare and to be fair, if you'd also like to chronicle one move from YOUR life in the last five years you would have done differently (in a manner appropriate to a family-friendly blog, of course) that would be interesting too...especially if the story has a touch of humor to it.
Have at it in the comment section and enjoy!
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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plain and simple
Blazers should of got Chris Paul instead of Webster. Thats the biggest eror.
by RipCity on
Aug 3, 2008 11:07 PM PDT
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Would you really take that one back?
Taking Webster instead of CP3 or Deron Williams set us up for the 2006 draft when we snagged BRroy and LaMarcus. No way do I take that back!
by david1978pdx on
Aug 4, 2008 1:25 AM PDT
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Its still the biggest mistake of the last 5 years....
Besides, if we want to get technical about it, we got the #7 pick(essentially used on Roy) from the Celts for Telfair and Theo. We could have still made that deal if we drafted CP3, we might not have gotten Aldridge, but I would swap LMA for CP3 in a nanosecond.
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on
Aug 4, 2008 2:53 AM PDT
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ABSOLUTELY
It’s CHRIS freaking PAUL!
by kickbrass on
Aug 4, 2008 7:10 AM PDT
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we also did poorly
and snagged Oden.
That’s the real cost of going back.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on
Aug 4, 2008 8:47 AM PDT
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I meant to say, and forgot:
I know there will be “chain reaction” posts with the philosophical point that everything happens the way it’s supposed to and without the rain you couldn’t find the sunshine (and without Martell and Jarrett there’s no B-Roy) but for the sake of this particular thread don’t worry about that. Just consider the less-than-optimal move in isolation.
—Dave
by Dave on
Aug 4, 2008 9:49 AM PDT
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I agree
next dumbest thing was Miles.
by southern oregon on
Aug 3, 2008 11:09 PM PDT
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yeah
it pretty much has to be missing out on CP3. Impossible to know where we’d be if we’d taken him (we might be better off, we might not). The fact remains that it was a bonehead move (which I happened to support at the time).
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Aug 3, 2008 11:21 PM PDT
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whats funny
is ive been reading a lot of other blogs, and most other fans either hate there owners or front office. that is one of the most distinct differences i can think of. even the first two comments lack any passion for complaining about our situation, theres just not a lot of room for it. its almost laugh worthy. i just kant feal anything when thinking about what theve done wrong. out with the bad, in with the good, seams pretty streight to me.
to adress the other. I just got fired form my job. I had a really good job. I would run peoples credit applications and verry few made more then my ceiling. I was verry good at what I did to the point of being an arregent jerk about it all, constantly challenging the management staff and adding a little zach poison to the culture. no partying mind you, but still just as bad for moralle. several key indeviduals in the know told me on several ocations that I could have been a k*be or mickel to that industry. instead i was zach. I would take it all back in an instance if i could, but instead have to go in at noon tomarrow for the final cerimony of it all. not really funny but….
"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
by ptwnblzr on
Aug 3, 2008 11:23 PM PDT
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Feeling you pain
You have learned from this and will be even more productive in your next job.
by lee3022 on
Aug 4, 2008 3:02 AM PDT
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thank you for the affermation
it helps
"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
by ptwnblzr on
Aug 4, 2008 2:23 PM PDT
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Where I work, a division of a much larger company, half of the people are being "reducted".
For the last 3 or 4 months we’ve all been waiting around to find out who gets the axe. “They” have been chipping away at our wages and benefits for several years while “they” line their pockets with 8 million dollar bonuses. It’s pretty ugly. We’ll find out what our fate is in the next few weeks. Hopefully, I’ll get reducted. Please let me be one of the reducted. I’ve got to get out of there. All is sunshine and light.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
Aug 4, 2008 4:07 AM PDT
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I'm the only on in my family ever to get laid off.
In fact from 1993 to 2001, it happened 4 times.
The first time allowed me to go back to school and get a couple of graduate degrees. The second time led to my going back to my original company as temp at slightly better pay and getting introduced to a new industry. The third time led to a job that paid better and ended up having me travel all over Oregon. Got to see more of the state in one year than I did in the previous 12. The last time, in 01 following the dot.com / telecom bust, led to my current job, which not only involved another pay increase but eventually led to meeting my wife.
In other words, losing one’s job is not necessarily the end of the world.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
........Thomas Jefferson
The most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the
government and I'm here to help.' "
- Ronald Reagan
by timg56 on
Aug 4, 2008 6:53 AM PDT
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I got fired
from a summer music camp two years ago, but I am glad it happened—the place was a total nightmare and I met my fiancee right afterwards! Hoping similar luck to you …
by kickbrass on
Aug 4, 2008 7:12 AM PDT
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that sounds promising
ill quietly hope for the same myself. lol. thanks.
"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
by ptwnblzr on
Aug 4, 2008 2:31 PM PDT
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i know this is the wrong formatt to be fealing sorry for myself
but i appriciate you all kindly overlooking it. also its good to hear that life goes on and i can take the lessons with me whear ever i go. destruction breeds creation, from the ashes rise the feenix. im glad its worked well for you and do realise that good things happen for good people, thats how i got the opprotunity in the first place. so im thankful for the gental reminder that now is not the time to bemoan my loss, but to be greatfull for this new opprotunity to practice the lessons of my expirience. yah and if that place would hire me, SOMEbody else has got to be willing to. lol
"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
by ptwnblzr on
Aug 4, 2008 2:31 PM PDT
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I got fired once because I started to hate the place and
just quit working. I’d sit at my desk and pay tetris or some dumb shit. This was before the internet was a common office feature. It was over a year before they noticed. When they finally told me it wasn’t working out the only thing I could say is “what kept you?”
Still it hurt, because I wanted a job i could like and do well at. I just couldn’t like that one.
Ultimately it turned out to be a good thing, but it was a while before I could see it.
by raoulduke on
Aug 4, 2008 10:46 PM PDT
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Oops - forgot about the "s" word in there...
No hard feeling if you delete it, Dave.
by raoulduke on
Aug 4, 2008 10:46 PM PDT
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yah, i was hating it too
whats funny is that most of the people hate it there, they just feal trapped. well im freeeeeee, freee faaaalliiin
"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
by ptwnblzr on
Aug 5, 2008 2:02 AM PDT
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a large part of me felt the same way
and I hope that your value is blinding. hear for me on the BEdge it has been. your value that is. lol. I hope that if your company fails, that there will be quite quickly another that does not. i read every one of your comments, and know that you have only the best of charicter. thanks for relating with me, its nice to know im not alone.
"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
by ptwnblzr on
Aug 4, 2008 2:37 PM PDT
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you weren't, by chance, in the auto industry?
by DrivetheLane on
Aug 4, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
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no, but i was in sales
the cerimonies over and now its official. they extended my insurance so that was nice. but they wouldnt let me have any record of my acheivements thoe, and kept a lot of my office supplies, so that kinda sux. oh well. whats funny is ive been recruted for sales positions before, but if i dont believe in the product, i cant close. what i got to sell really helped people, and in some cases actually saved lives. it gave me an opprotunity to serve the greater good. i will miss that and likely go through a little depression period. also probably not find anouther opprotunity like that again, but if I do i will also not waste it. a lot of lessons just didnt sink in untill i was formally seperated. but im a better person for them and the expirence has givin me an oprotunity at a different level then i would of otherwize had. well see. i just have a hard time ever envision making that much monery again. glad i saved a little.
"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
by ptwnblzr on
Aug 4, 2008 2:19 PM PDT
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sorry to hear that
That is why you have to get out of a situation like that. You never know when the axe will fall. You will find something else, but I think you should go back to school. It could transform you. I know you are a smart guy. Gitt-er-done!
by The Natural ala Mode on
Aug 4, 2008 3:02 PM PDT
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thanks
you were the other mickel, people were very high on you. but im sure your doing even better now. ive been thinking about that for a while now, the school thing, just not sure how to best go about it. probably a good idea though. got to get enrolled sometime soon.
"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
by ptwnblzr on
Aug 4, 2008 3:15 PM PDT
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yeah
if you have a little money saved, just work a part time job and get grants and loans and shit. You could get your associates in a year and a half, and then you will have that degree to back that experience and the world will open to you.
by The Natural ala Mode on
Aug 4, 2008 3:17 PM PDT
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priciate, that seams a straight path
ps gots ta watch the itshay. davy is all about being linked to, ie family style.
"If I was in anyway unclear, I am implying that Dave is a serial murderer."
---jonestr on Aug 3, 2008 12:25 AM PDT
by ptwnblzr on
Aug 4, 2008 3:28 PM PDT
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easy now....
I was Durantian too. The jury is still out on Oden(although I like his chances), Durant is already a stud….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on
Aug 4, 2008 2:44 AM PDT
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I had a dream
that Durant died in some kind of freak accident last night.
My subconscious is working overtime to make me feel OK about the Oden pick …
by kickbrass on
Aug 4, 2008 7:13 AM PDT
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There is still hope
New BEdger Sherman Alexie in Sixty-One Things I Learned During the Sonics Trial>
46. And I have to be honest about something else, too. I like your city. I’ve only had positive experiences in your town. But I am not a twentysomething newly minted millionaire (and especially not an African-American newly minted millionaire). I guarantee you that the best players on your new team—along with their agents, business managers, and lawyers—are already strategizing about how to get out of your town. Seattle is a gorgeous, cosmopolitan city and we had difficultly keeping and signing big-time free agents. How do you think Oklahoma City is going to do?
47. As I write this, the general managers and owners of every other NBA team are making plans to clear their cap spaces so they can offer massive money to Kevin Durant, Jeff Green, and Nick Collison.
Odenied: Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
by Norsktroll on
Aug 4, 2008 7:42 AM PDT
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I don't know...
... if you can say that Durant is already a stud.
I think he’s on track to be an absolute stud, but in his rookie year, the 82games.com stats show that the Sonics were a better team when he wasn’t on the court.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Aug 4, 2008 9:56 AM PDT
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I would make KP GM earlier
Gosh what hindsight tells us. Imagine skipping the Nash regime as Whittset left the building. That one mistake could havev corrected several faults.
by NWfan on
Aug 3, 2008 11:45 PM PDT
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Great move, I support that
Classic Jim Collins for how to build a solid organization (“Good to Great”): Put the right people on the bus first, get the wrong people off the bus and put the right people in the right place on the bus. The Blazers took some time with that second step. KP was there already, but not in the right seat.
That’s even better than drafting Paul (well, and if we chastise ourselves for not taking Paul, what do you think ATL is doing?). That’s installing the guy who would have told us if we should have taken Paul, Williams, Webster, Granger or who else. If he took Paul and we didn’t get one of our other big guys, we might be just as happy & successful not knowing what we missed. And if he took the “wrong” guy (there is wrong and then there is really wrong, which Martell clearly is not), we couldn’t blame it on somebody who isn’t around anymore, which isn’t very productive.
Regarding my own life, well I would love to correct one or two basic things I did/did not (mainly due to bad information) a little more than ten years ago. Might talk about that at a later time. It still hurts and though I hopefully learned a lot from it I’m not sure it’s a good part of who I am now when thinking about what I might have become instead and how hard it will be to ever make up for this. I sometimes wish I could live different lives with solid stats like in basketball just to compare the outcome. So many things to try and consider…
But since we talk about the last five years, probably it was joining an Asian company that had bought a business unit of my old company, which I knew was a big risk but I was pretty fed up with my old one. The unit went into insolvency, despite having the best product portfolio in the history and great plans in the pipeline (yeah myself). I don’t miss the time and value the experience and people I met, but I am very disappointed that all that hard work didn’t pay off and now there is basically nothing but memories to show for it. Talk about a career limiting move in contrast to my former colleagues that has at least cost me a few years, a lot of nerves and not let to a better situation yet—though I’m working on it through better education and a few personal changes.
Woo, BE has therapeutic value, and Dave is our smiling shrink ;-)
Another short anecdote from hearsay: Just met a really really nice guy who said at one point that he was a very early investor in Yahoo. I asked “hundreds of shares?” His reply was “more like hundreds of thousands, and sold them all before Yahoo went public”. D’oh! Well, he could laugh about it now and was still doing fine for his family despite being far from multi-millionaire or billionaire. And I hope so do I.
Odenied: Coach, I promise I wasn't running hard ...
by Norsktroll on
Aug 4, 2008 7:35 AM PDT
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What move would I take back?
Putting the Rose Garden into bankruptcy.
by david1978pdx on
Aug 4, 2008 1:28 AM PDT
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The donuts to the police station
and the events leading up to it was as dumb as they come.
My mistake (there are lots to pick from) was likely trusting the VA to continue to care for me as a 100% disabled veteran. I probably ticked someone off there because they are whacking me nearly every chance they get. I am still getting benefits but have had to cut my pain/edema treatments in half to adjust for the money they took away from me each month. On the positive side I have had to see each day as a blessing looking for the positive and letting go of the negative.
by lee3022 on
Aug 4, 2008 3:09 AM PDT
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Can I just say the 2003-2004 Roster?
I got two regrets from the last five years. The first one was cheesin for the first time a few months back. I try and try to quit but just can’t stop doing it, and it’s starting to turn my face yellow. The second is getting drunk and tattooing the street sign “Free Parking in Rear” on my chest on a dare for $50.
"Oden might suck because Kwame sucked." - Mortimer on 8/3/08
by tominhawaii on
Aug 4, 2008 4:52 AM PDT
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Quite True
I don’t think I’ve ever been constipated.
"O Blazer's Edge almighty...I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Dave, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and Ben, both now and forever" -- Polycarp - An Honorary Father of the Blazer's Edge Church (With a slight revision to the actual quote.)
by tominhawaii on
Aug 4, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
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I don't know that it matters.
Whatever moves we might have regretted, we have today a team we all love. That’s what counts, not what we might have done over from the past.
Listing the moves I disagreed with at the time:
1) Extending Zach a year before we had to. We could have waitied a year and provided the team with greater flexibility.
2) Re-signing Miles for as many years as we did. There were no offers on the table but ours. We could have had him for less money and a short term, say 4 years. He’s be gone by now.
3) Drafting Telfair. I was against that from day one. However it did appear to be a key asset in the Roy trade. Apparently Danny wanted him.
A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have.
........Thomas Jefferson
The most terrifying words in the English language are: 'I'm from the
government and I'm here to help.' "
- Ronald Reagan
by timg56 on
Aug 4, 2008 7:00 AM PDT
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We got soooooo lucky
In the Telfair trade—really it came down to taking on RLEC who was due for twice as much as TREC (one year longer). It worked out for both teams, but still …
by kickbrass on
Aug 4, 2008 7:16 AM PDT
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Several have already mentioned
that the major changes suggested by some (drafting Paul instead of Webster, taking Jefferson instead of Telfair, etc.) would have changed the past enough to REALLY change the look of the Blazers. I’m going to approach this question from the perspective that changing the past in major ways would mean no Roy, no LMA and no Oden. Therefore, I am forced to conclude that I wouldn’t change anything up until the point that Oden was actually drafted – so as not to possibly disturb the opportunity to put our Big 3 together.
So what would I have done differently? Draft Ramon Sessions instead of Taureen Green.
by Storyteller on
Aug 4, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
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I'm pretty much with you...
Except that I like Bayless as well.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on
Aug 4, 2008 8:54 AM PDT
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BTW
Nice to meet you at dinner a couple of weeks ago. Thanks for putting that together down here in Vegas!
by Storyteller on
Aug 4, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
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Looking at it in a box
I’d snag Chris Paul. However, doing that could have changed so many things.
We’d be risking the team not being blown apart. We’d be risking KP not standing out because he was so passionate about Chris Paul and KP NOT being advanced and thus a blazer team without KP.
We’d definitely be saying good-bye to Oden.
Chris Paul may have also had issues playing with the black hole of Zach.
Roy and Aldridge MAY have been at risk as well.
So what would I do differently? Nothing. Anything I did could alter the space time continuum. I’m rather fond of this space time dealio.
Now, if you tell me that I have no worries, then I shorten Mile’s contract to expire with RLEC.
Ford: Bill, you're claiming victory already? Have you had a "Mission Accomplished" banner printed yet?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2008/columns/story?page=DraftDebate-080624
by ratbastird on
Aug 4, 2008 8:53 AM PDT
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Yah, too early to tell
but the biggest mistake could be taking Bowie Oden over Durant.
Easily the biggest mistake in my life was not insisting that my wife get a colonoscopy at 50 as is recommended. I’ll never get over that regret.
I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I
by TwoDeep on
Aug 4, 2008 9:34 AM PDT
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Yeah, I know I shouldn't go here
I don’t think you have to regret anything. How many times before your wife became ill, did you think to yourself, “Today is the day I talk to her about getting a colonoscopy?” I am willing to bet that you never thought of a colonoscopy until after the fact. Take comfort in the fact that it is now on my mind and the mind of others here. That is all you can do. Don’t regret something that you had no control over.
Sorry for going where I have no business. I am truly sorry for your loss.
"O Blazer's Edge almighty...I bless you and glorify you through the eternal and heavenly high priest Dave, your beloved Son, through whom be glory to you, with Him and Ben, both now and forever" -- Polycarp - An Honorary Father of the Blazer's Edge Church (With a slight revision to the actual quote.)
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Thanks very much Tom for your reply.
You didn’t think you should go there? I much appreciate that you did. Discussing Mary and her whole situation it seems is all I want to talk about most of the time (other than the Blazers – and I am so grateful to be able to hold on to that diversion). You’re so right about regrets. When I was beating myself up with what I should have done and didn’t do, Mary consistently and emphatically told me, don’t go there because “you can’t change it”. Those four words have perhaps been my salvation. She was so unafraid of death. I doubt that I could ever be that brave.
We did think about colonoscopies, but because we’d always made sure we maintained a healthy life style (you know, eating right, exercising, supplements, staying slender, some beer and some wine), we dismissed the need for the procedure (wish we’d known her grandfather had colon cancer, but he had to poop in a bag so it was embarrassing to the family and they kept it hidden). Plus, due to a situation earlier in her life, Mary had taken 6 Excedrin’s a day for 14 years. Based on what I’ve researched, I believe this was the culprit.
But the reason I decided to bring the regret up here was for colonoscopy awareness as you mentioned. Mary’s situation has already probably saved the life of a family member. She was motivated by our situation to have the procedure done and it caught her colon cancer in an early stage before it spread.
Thanks again Tom for your interest.
I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I
by TwoDeep on
Aug 4, 2008 7:27 PM PDT
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TwoDeep, the Bedge is very lucky to have you and Tom both. Thanks for sharing
your experience with us, and thank you for the advice on colonoscopy awareness. You may be responsible for saving some lives here. Thank you.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
Aug 4, 2008 9:36 PM PDT
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+1
TwoDeep is a favorite of mine around here and always will be. It could probably go without saying, but I am also deeply sorry for your loss TD. If its any consolation, I find your courage to keep on truckin extremely admirable. The fact that you talk about such a deep wound simply to benefit others shows what a great guy you are. Stay strong friend…..
RUDY > MJ
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A favorite of mine too and now a man in the ranks of the Rudy´s supporters also.
Hugs.
The Midnight Rambler
by amlmart1 on
Aug 4, 2008 11:38 PM PDT
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Three big mistakes jump out at me...
Drafting Martell over whomever…
Extending/contracting Zach and Miles…
The one I’m going with, though, is not supporting Cheeks more in the Miles dust up. Management completely undercut Mo and knocked all the legs from under his authority. (Yes, I mixed my metaphors again).
I’ve come to the conclusion that all the really stupid things I’ve done in my life have made me the person I am. I’m not the worst person I know so I’m down with that. The thing I’d definitely take back is leaving my wife late last year. Luckily we are back together and I think we both value each other a whole lot more now so even that turned out well.
"I love this game!" -Moonbeam, from 'Rollerball' right before he was knocked into a permanent coma
by -ken on
Aug 4, 2008 9:44 AM PDT
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I don't think there can be anything as important as a close spouse.
It makes me feel good to hear your story is turning out well. Good luck to you Ken.
That’s an interesting regret you have regarding the Blazers. Bet you’re glad now to see that Cheeks did so well with Philadelphia last season.
I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I
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Yes...
...I think you can look at having the chance to get Chris Paul and not getting him as a mistake however if we had taken him how would that of affected following years? Who knows where we would be right now. But it’s a relatively easy thing to look at and define as a mistake.
I think a mistake The Blazers seem to be making is the number of guards we are carrying. We jettisoned Green for Von Wafer last season. I still think we are carrying one guard too many. Any way I slice the rotation or the substitution pattern that doesn’t include injury and it seems someone I think deserving of playing time either for results or development or both is going to be left out in the cold. Most likely Sergio or Bayless isn’t going to consistently see the playing time. That’s the situation I see as problematic right now. Sooner or later The Blazers are going to have to make a decision about at least one of our guards which means someone with potential and a degree of popularity is going to not be a Blazer. Tough decision but one I think The Blazers need to make and sooner than later.
Along the same lines, we “might” be making a mistake that is directly tied to this situation in giving Batum a roster spot over Koponen. In my opinion Koponen seems much closer to actually being an N.B.A. level player but since he plays a position that we are overstocked at, we are electing to keep Batum. This could come back to bite us. I don’t really buy the Batum can gain more by being in The N.B.A. as opposed to Koponen.
I guess it boils down to I think tough decisions about the young Blazer talent need to be made soon. Right now it seems The Blazer are trying to keep everyone and I think some decisions need to be made or it will be a mistake.
"Mother Nature started this fight, I think it's about time we ended it!"
by Krang on
Aug 4, 2008 10:08 AM PDT
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i agree, make KP the GM earlier
and i’d invest in Youtube
Woof
by Charles Barkley McLovin on
Aug 4, 2008 11:40 AM PDT
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Make KP the GM earlier
and we WOULD have gotten CP3. After all, he was the big CP3 advocate.
by jamon51 on
Aug 4, 2008 11:49 AM PDT
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