Outlaw for Conley?

Rudy's a SG...

He’s not big enough to play SF in the NBA, and that would leave us dangerously thin at SF, with basically just Webster at that spot. We would need to make another deal where we package some of our young PG’s (Bayless, Sergio, PK, hypothetically Conley) w/ or w/o RLEC for a swingman

by inroywetrust on Aug 28, 2008 3:27 AM PDT reply actions

Well, taht's a lot of possibilities

and Dallas is in a need for some cap relief plus for some reason everyone seems to think Josh Howard is a fool because of a bit of green and some drag racing, who cares, he’s still a good player… so maybe rodriguez/frye/lafrentz or some other combination could bring him to Portland. What about that?

Once upon a time the Suns got out on the break... and along came Steve sucKerr

by Murcy on Aug 28, 2008 4:25 AM PDT reply actions

its funny, thats what theyer saying in sanantonio now

my what situational ethics we suffer from

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 4:47 AM PDT up reply actions

Please don't tell me you're trying to compare Josh Howard

with Z-Bo, Reuben, Damon, Darius, Kemp or any other of the major “jail blazer” offenders off the top of my head. Street racing is stupid, yeah, but really that much worse than a regular speeding ticket?

Believe it or not, pot use is fairly prevalent among NBA players. While Charles Oakley’s number of “over 60%” of NBA players is probably high, even 25% would be a sizable chunk. That’d mean an average of about 3 players per team smoke, which I’d say is probably closer to the truth. At least Howard has the conviction to speak the truth about our stupid hypocritical laws that allow you to get plastered on a nightly basis from drinking but not smoke a joint. My only issue with it was that he allowed it to become a distraction during a playoff series, but that’s much more of an example of simply poor judgement. His honesty points to a higher character.

And I know most of the jail blazer problems were somehow connected to pot use, but they also involved DUIs and other stupid choices. Just like I don’t care if someone drinks as long as they don’t get behind the wheel, they’re free to spark up in my mind as long as they’re not driving or operating some sort of heavy machinery.

Nothing to do with situational ethics here.

by Royster on Aug 28, 2008 11:21 AM PDT up reply actions

hmmm

no i think it does, But i have the benifit of being able to produce a clean ua.

We want high charicter when we dont have it, then when we do, we become willing to compromise it for wins?

ok, lets start with whats leagal. Drinking, we know oden does, cause of the picture, we also know that brandon doesnt, cause of his interview statements. He has proven to be a sorry excuse for a party animal in my opinion, I doubt he has ever knowingly met a stripper, but 2 my point. So we devide from there. I would speculate that on the blazers, a smaller percentage take part in the type of drinking that leaves a person dehidrated the next day, then most of the rest of the league. I could be wrong, but…. Blake seams the family type, spending a lot of his time with his kid and practicing. przybilla makes a pretty good case for the nonparty croud,.

anyway, if we have less drinkers then average, we might have less smokers then average as well. somehow this current team just fails to make the news for acting like a jackass. i kinda like that. period. im willing to give these guys my fan dollar.

I wonder if the same lack of commen sence that brought so much attention to howard at a critical time could permiate any other future decisions?

when a person or company comprimises charictor,the end result will be further compromise.

I have high standards, therefor have never felt the pain of a penicillin shot. ive known a lot of pretty grrrls, but not all that glitters is gold. howard glitters, but I dont want him.

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions

Funny talking about what's legal

because Oden drinking definitely isn’t legal for another year or so. My issue is the double standard we all have, i.e. Oden is okay to drink even though he’s underage, but the second a guy lights up, he’s on the level of J.R. Rider or Z-Bo when really, there’s no real difference between Oden drinking and Howard smoking.

I like the fact that Roy doesn’t drink and, to be honest, if we had a bunch of choir boys who never touched a recreational drug (including alcohol or tobacco), that’d probably be for the best since there are no real performance enhancing aspects of them at all, but that’s holding players to a far higher standard than is reasonable. I’d also like guys who never took vacations and spent every day all offseason working on basketball, but I’m realistic. These guys are human beings, I’ll begrudge them some pleasures as long as it doesn’t really affect their games. Given that Howard has been pretty clear that he only smokes in the offseason, I’m okay with that because if he was willing to lie that he didn’t smoke during the season, why not just say that he doesn’t smoke, period? People seem unable to believe that not everyone who smokes pot is a clone of a character from half-baked. It’s really no different from alcohol in the long run, and nearly the entire successful world has managed to be successful in spite of drinking. Heck, MJ used to have marathon late night gambling and cigar smoking sessions, he seemed to get by okay.

And Howard smoking pot has nothing to do with character, just like Damon/Sheed smoking pot had nothing to do with character. Those were low character guys for hot boxing while driving 150 down I-5 and throwing basketballs at Boumtje-Boumtje after practice. Just like Reuben(sex offender), Kemp(8 kids), Rider(assault conviction), and Z-Bo(too many to name) were low character guys for reasons other than smoking pot.

I mean, if we were to find out tomorrow that Bayless, Webster or TO smoked every once in a while, would you all of a sudden start demanding to trade them?

by Royster on Aug 28, 2008 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions

lol great point

while i understand that experimentation and sosialization is kinda natural, i believe that a consistant practice or devotion to debauchery is not. I like you, place the weezy on the same leval as some brew-ha, actually, I think the juice is more harmful. at any rate, I wasnt to disapointed, oden is a kid. but if any of our players, including, and really especially oden, start making paris hilton style forrays into the media, I will simply withdraw my support. I am buying what kp is selling, as advertized. a high charictor, team-first TEAM. I am not a krakc-hed, and will not tolerate beasters, or hams, or coors, or any version of low-grade. Maybee I’m not really a “TRUE” fan, so be it. I will not pay ingrates, to half hartedly fain effort for my amuzement.

and yes, if players on our team started advertising to the majore media that they partook of the ocational munchies, I would be all about a trade. the primary reason is the complete lack of common sence that they would be displaying to layble themselves in such a way.

if it dosnt snow at the lightest touch, dont call it headies.

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions

If Oden starts dating Rihanna and Bayless

starts hooking up with Lindsay Lohan, then count me among the worried fans, but unless it is clearly affecting their games their lives are their own. As much of a “distraction” as people claim Jessica Simpson is to Tony Romo, it’s not like he hasn’t been putting up elite-level numbers. It’s all just stuff the media blows out of proportion anyways since they need something to fill the 24 hour sports news cycle.

And there’s a difference between admitting you smoke pot in the offseason versus appearing on the cover of “high times”. If any current blazer were to answer a direct question about pot use by saying that he smoked once in a while, I’m cool with that. It’s not like Howard went out of his way to take a stand on this. He admitted smoking to Henry in response to a direct question about marijuana issues affecting his draft status, and then nothing happened for a year until some beat writer asked him about it directly. I’d hardly call that advertising it to the major media.

Really, the issue is whether this has anything to do with Josh Howard’s character, and I just can’t see how it does. This is a guy who took a stand on the Iraq war in college, who has a college degree in religion and is clearly an honest dude and a team player, he’s just had a couple rough postseasons. Give me a guy like that over a Glenn Robinson or a Jalen Rose who might have never been caught or accused of anything, but clearly weren’t as down to Earth or centered as Howard is.

by Royster on Aug 28, 2008 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs

seamingly fair and measured, wont argur that

I dont know enough personaly about howard to atempt to refute anything your saying, plus the way your presenting lends considerable credibility. that said, we may have diferent ideals for our concept team. I very well understand that I hold a minority position on this one, im ok with that. Remove all doubt. yeah, there will be lost oprotunities, but there are certainly more then enough players in the league that have roy-esk charictor, for our team to shop from, to make me feal confortable saying pass on howard, regardless.

at any-rate, my original statement was concerning these choice words, that takin out of their specific context, can template a nose dive into charrictor mediocrity.

for some reason everyone seems to think (random baller) is a fool because of a bit of (random lack of discretion) and some (random minor/major infraction/crime), who cares, he’s still a good player…

your banter is fun, and I’ve been forced to admit my short sightedness, but I have not been forced to relinquish it.

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions

All good

Of course you’re free to think what you want to think. Like I admitted before, I’d want a team of all choirboys in bed by 10 PM and working on their game 24/7 all year round for the first 35 years in their lives and each with an overwhelming desire to be better than MJ/Magic/Wilt/Lebron. Admittedly, I might find it a little hard to relate to that team just because they would be so vastly different from my own experiences, but you wouldn’t be able to argue that they didn’t maximize their basketball talent.

We all have differing levels of what we’ll accept as a deviation from this “ideal”. Personally, I think what you’re willing to accept is a little unrealistic in the real world, but whatever, it’s not like that makes you wrong and I’m right. I mean, we’re talking about opinions as fans here, which is pretty much makes the entire thing a gray area that everyone figures out for themselves.

That being said, I just hate seeing Josh Howard get viewed in remotely the same light as the actual idiots and terrible people in the game because he admitted to doing something that a large percentage of the league also does, but isn’t the most socially acceptable thing yet. The guy’s a class act is all, and, while I highly doubt he’ll ever see this exchange, it’s pretty bush league that he has had to deal with this blowback when compared to guys getting DUIs and within 2 days the media forgets about it.

Admittedly, I think the entire NBA gets kind of a raw deal in this end. Witness Melo getting a DUI and it’s held up as an example of the NBA’s drug problem, but a baseball player crashes a car drunk out of his mind, killing himself, and it’s just a “good ole boy” thing that gets hand waved away.

by Royster on Aug 28, 2008 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions

also

i am very much in favor of a life lived, fundamentaly guided by honesty, but in order to do so, you must accept the consiquenses of your actions. in this case, since since the madness is currently against the law, the natural consequenses, wether right or wrong, are loss of confidence from a portion of a fanbase, and an unwelcom and untimly distraction, to highlight only two. the question that fact breeds, is what leval of care is howard putting into his carrear? I ask cause even though in the grand sceem of things, moraly, he may well be comiting less of an offence then I do when i dress myself some days, he is making a choice that makes himself less attractive, and detracts from his afectiveness. to me personaly, his priorities are up for suspition. ill use myself as an exsample, to remove all doubt and eliminate risk, I have, in my past, abstained from partaking in the flavor to further my carear. the question for me was one of priorities. I have made my choices, and howard has made his. if his “opiate” is more important that maximizing his potential, then I would just as soon shop elsewhear. Now somepeople have the dicipline to keep their vises from affecting their fanbases, their teams, and their teams success(their jobs), but howard doesn’t. In that regard he has failed, minor that is is, still. that alone is enough for me to shop elsware. I dont mind the mj, with a huge helping of discretion. the error is more glarring in his lack of discretion. imo.

now, that all said, I am fully awair that I suffer a minority opinion regarding this and similar sinarios.

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions

i like the sig

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by Zaron5551 on Aug 28, 2008 9:34 PM PDT up reply actions

Wait, I'm confused:

Are people in San Antonio saying Portland should think about trading for Josh Howard?
Or are they saying the Spoors might interested in him?

Because I could see Sandy Auntie being VERY improved with that acquisition.
THEY should make a play for him.

=(_8c(|)

by QualityPie on Aug 28, 2008 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions

all ive ever heard is that portland is modeled after san antonio

and san antonio has had a decent run without a lot of charictor issues, ive seen their fans post statements like “who cares, were not running a church league, if it helps us win again…” ect.

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 2:59 PM PDT up reply actions

#25

And can you guys seriously stop?

My heart is so sensitive due to this sudden increase in TO trade talk..

:(

Man I love tongue tacos - Mortimer
Only thing better is Trout on a stick roasted over an open fire - annthefan
I have a pic like that of my dog - tominhawaii

by Outlaw is Rejector on Aug 28, 2008 4:30 AM PDT reply actions

I feel your pain.

Lay off poor Travis. I feel your pain. Why ruin the good we have by trading Travis. The Memphis rumored eal sucks, as I posted previously. Conley and Lowry are unproven. Travis is proven. Lowry has health issues too. Keep ’ Trout ’.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Aug 28, 2008 6:33 PM PDT up reply actions

#25

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 4:45 AM PDT reply actions

I don't take what Outlaw has done for the Blazers lightly. I would rather not do that trade and keep Outlaw.

At least see how things turn out first next years.

by BRoyInThe4th on Aug 28, 2008 6:08 AM PDT reply actions

Two-Five ... the end.

http://www.myspace.com/y5k

by Y5k on Aug 28, 2008 6:17 AM PDT reply actions

Went down this road already.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/8/25/600888/travis-on-the-block

by everett on Aug 28, 2008 6:56 AM PDT reply actions

what about we throw in rudy

and try to get their rudy, we could give bayless, fernandez, outlaw
for conley, gay
not gonna happen but a fun what if

by blackandwite323 on Aug 28, 2008 10:10 AM PDT reply actions

more like a heart attack.

by sagebru5h on Aug 28, 2008 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions

Already been posted....

several times…

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Aug 28, 2008 11:50 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs

Mercy, Murcy!

Can’t believe he wasn’t called on this recycled “news” earlier.

'77

by LaoTzu on Aug 28, 2008 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions

im of the belief that just cause its been talked about

doesnt meen it shouldnt be talked about again. if that were the case, virtually all conversation would cease, as there are few original thoughts. I dont want to supress dissent(lol) or discussion from those who wish to entertain themselve with trade ideas, but I do certainly intend to make my voice heard. with that said and done, I dont like this trade, I think we have enough point gaurds and {bad word} oden if he thinks hes got pressure clout with glass knees. He can have all the clout he wants, but first he has to give. so no playmate for oden till hes done his chores. sorry about that, anyway carry on.

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 12:07 PM PDT reply actions

doesnt meen it shouldnt be talked about again.

But it was posted just two days ago. We aren’t even talking about a refreshed rumor. ITS THE SAME RUMOR. the discussion two days ago linked and discussed the link which comprised all of the substance of this posting. We don’t need to have new posts fo the same convo every time it passes off the visible fanposts do we?

by everett on Aug 28, 2008 12:24 PM PDT reply actions

i guess its weird

i didnt know, as i havent been reading every morsol like i usually do.

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions

I hereby elect "everett" as the new "hall monitor"

for his undeniable ability to point out honest mistakes as if they were the end of the world.

Little known fact: Rudy Fernandez once roundhouse kicked Chuck Norris in the face while simultaneously dunking on it.

by In Walks Rudy on Aug 28, 2008 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions

Don't be a jerk.

I was responding to a comment.

by everett on Aug 28, 2008 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions

it's actually impatience

i can’t wait for all the impatient people to try to survive this site after loses

expect these topic

greg oden is overrated
greg oden sucks
nate sucks
nate needs to be fired
trade: insert every player other than roy
we should get: opposing player that outplay one of our players
trade: for someone, just because we lost
jack sucks( i know we traded him, but seriously..)
sergio sucks
trade sergio
KP’s mistake
Bayless is overrate
Rudy is overrated
trade outlaw
hmm i can’t think of anymore, but there are tons.

basically after every lose at least one of those above topics is posted. You just have to learn to ignore them; or laugh at them.

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by Zaron5551 on Aug 28, 2008 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions

that has to be one of the funniest things ive read in a while

jack sucks( i know we traded him, but seriously..)

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions

it wasn't meant against him, but against the posters that said that all the time last year

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by Zaron5551 on Aug 28, 2008 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions

at least 50% of nba players smoke pot

by KObeHater on Aug 28, 2008 12:40 PM PDT reply actions

and at least 75% of college students from what I remember

by pualo on Aug 28, 2008 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions

most nba players arnt real collage students

(our) great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit, our system of of credit is privately concentrated, the growth of our nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men... who necessarily, by very reason of their own limitations, chill and check and destroy genuine economic freedom.

We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world - no government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and the duress of small groups of dominant men.

--- Woodrow Wilson

by ptwnblzr on Aug 28, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions