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Recipe for Success: Up-Tempo, D, Run, Run, see Blazers run...

Hey all,

New member, thanks, you made the Olympic better for me, and I'm sure many others..  I loved reading all the posts about the Blazer's incredible roster, including the Bayless and Rudi highlights...  I, too woke up the house on that dunk...  But one thing I haven't seen discussed much is the STYLE of play the Blazers need to play to be most successful.  Because of our unmatched depth of talent, that style, I believe, is, in a word (or 2?), up-tempo...

I'd like to see the first team take it right to the opponents, opening up with D like it's the 4th qtr of game 7 off the opening tip, and run the break after each D rebound.  Try to run the other team into the ground.  After 6 minutes, bring in a Bayless for Blake...  Let him turn on his fresh legs and run some more...  After a few more minutes, switch up Outlaw/Webster, and give big Greg a break, a minute later bring in Rudi for Roy...  And continue the pressure, and the rapid substition pattern that lets everybody play full out, for 6-8 minutes at a time...  Run....   Then bring in fresh legs, and run some more...   Throw out Batum, Rudi, Bayless, Oden and Diogu for a 'defense first' squad.... Run, run, and run some more.

Play full-court D, make the other team work all 48 minutes, contest the full length of the court.  Especially every home game.  Make Portland THE dreaded stop in the league. Every minute, out-hustle, out work, out sweat the opponent.  Because you only have to do it for 6-8 minutes at a time.   And you're only 20-something years old!

The other thing you need, besides depth, to play the running game, is to have control of the defensive glass.  (It helps to have multiple options to throw the outlet pass to, as well).  With Oden and LA manning the boards, and able to pass the ball to any of the other 3 guys to start the break, this year's Blazer's roster has what it takes to be a fast-break team...

This kind of play is very exciting for fans to watch, and is perhaps the only style of play that lack of experience won't take away in the post-season...  Because you can always hustle...  Having watched the mighty Bird Celtics of the 80's, I know that an Defensive team-first mindset, with an up-tempo style is the Blazers recipe for their success... 

Oh, and one final thing...  this is the NBA..  There IS no next year.   Blazers have the team that just could, with a few breaks, shock the world and win it ALL - this year - with a wild, up-tempo, smothering defense, fast break team.

Thoughts?

Visionary1

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That's what I've always thought-

and I’m glad you brought up this point. Young teams should run up-tempo games because they always will out-hustle the other team; this is where their young and athletic bodies thrive over the other teams.

This is the problem I have with Nate McMillan (sp?)…. he’s very set in his ways as far as half-court offense goes.

One thing that comes to mind is that it’s hard to have a good defense (which you seem to focus on a lot in your post) while playing a run-and-gun style. Maybe the Twin Towers can just throw some outlet passes.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Aug 24, 2008 9:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

In Seattle, Nate had his team run

I just think he was waiting for the right mix of players. They are here now.
In theory, the wave after wave concept is terrific, but there are many pitfalls to that style. The second unit will use this concept, but the first team will play any style that will get the win. Nate is all about just getting the win.

by parkinglotj on Aug 24, 2008 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Quick question

When was the last time a running team won a championship?

Let me know.

In reality, the right mix for an offensive scheme is to have players that can run when the opportunities arise, and play a half-court game in order to take advantages of match-ups.

Pheonix’s running experiment failed. So did Dallas’. So has Golden State’s. Running teams just don’t win championships.

by damir on Aug 24, 2008 9:48 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Showtime Lakers?

I think we’ll run more, but as long as this is BRoy’s team, we’ll also be a half-court team as well.

I think we’ll be a team that can run or grind, as long as we get the W.

Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in San Antonio

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by HurraKane212 on Aug 24, 2008 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good insight on Brandon

Brandon is not a runner. Coach Nate has said so. Also, Oden does not like to run by his own admission. And if LMA is going to going to transform into this great defensive rebounder needed on a running team, he can’t also leak out and be a runner. This leaves Blake and Martel as your runners, and 2 on 3 doesn’t yield many successful fast breaks.

by fat27 on Aug 25, 2008 2:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You don't remember the multiple championships of the "7 seconds or less" Phoenix Suns
“The unquestioned success of the Phoenix Suns proves that you don’t need a player over 6’7” on the floor, ever."

“The Phoenix Suns have proven with their back-to-back NBA championships that you can field a roster with all guards.”

“The Phoenix Suns have proven in their multi-decade-spanning dynasty that you do not need to play defense”

Only problem: All statements are fake and taken from a 2006 Blog-a-Bull draft article: http://www.blogabull.com/2006/6/15/13231/6425

Dave recently addressed the issue that at some point we should run more to get easy points on the break, though: http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/8/11/591163/keying-the-break

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 25, 2008 5:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

I don’t oppose to the team running when the opportunities arise to get easy buckets. That’s what good teams do. They advantage of the opportunities that arose.

With that being said, running, and doing nothing BUT running means that you sacrifice your defense and put in all of your energy to score. Yes, you win a team by scoring more points than them, but when the other team shuts down your running game, then what the hell do you do? You go back on defense and stop the other team from scoring. It’s a balance.

by damir on Aug 25, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Team That Can Uptempo vs. An Uptempo Team

In watching the Redeemers throughout the Olympics, one thing that really stuck out to me is how their pressure perimeter defense and forcing turnovers is what allowed them to fast break. The Blazers need to work on that and hopefully the addition of Bayless and some off season work by Marty and Outlaw can improve that. I agree that by patching up the rebounding will help produce more FB opportunities. Due to the improvement in those two areas, the team should see nice improvement in FB points but I don’t think that it will even come close to becoming its mantra.

Despite the Blazers’ current roster depth, I don’t think that their abilities would be best utilized in an uptempo, run-and-gun type offense. Roy needs to be in the half-court to be fully effective. He’s at his best when he has the ball and can work for a high percentage shot, or create for others by drawing double-teams. Oden is going to dominate the paint but if players are taking quick shots without allowing him to establish in the low post, you might as well just keep down on defense. Even though you have Joel as a substitute, you don’t want to gas the big man by making him do laps. A lot of running is also taxing those knees and I know I would like to keep them around for a long while. LMA on the other hand would fit nicely on a running team due to his speed and ability to hit the outside jumper but he’s just as suited to play in the half-court working off of the pick and roll.

I think we will see a team that takes the fast break opportunities that are presented but doesn’t force the tempo of the game.

by PtownJake on Aug 24, 2008 10:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

great post

i think the key is respond quickly when defense opens an offensive opportunity. its that decision making and court vision that are needed. And wow some of these guys are just naturals at that. might also make sergio more comfortable.

by greyhound9 on Aug 24, 2008 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like your post and have felt the same way

about this team, but some other posters have made some pretty good points here also. Run and gun is great, but none of the teams that do this the best, have made it very far in the playoffs because none really play good defense.

We have a really balanced roster and we have a coach that knows how to play D and is able to inspire and sell this to his players. I think that your right on when you make the point of playing pressure D for 48 minutes straight. No one else can maintain this for a full game, but I believe we can. Its good to be a Blazer fan!

by lethaldose on Aug 24, 2008 11:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

very nice post bro

Blazers just have to out run the other team cuz they are young. If they run faster and pass ahead its going to be easy to get a dunk and that is a almost always better than a jumper. the other teams could not win the ring because they didnt have a big man like we do in Oden that can play deffense. We can run and get a dunk, but if the other teams deffense is back then we can give the ball to Roy for the half court set, that it.

by RipCity on Aug 24, 2008 11:54 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Nate's teams don't run.

According to this, his last Seattle team had the 3rd slowest pace in the league that season. The 87.9 possessions per game were equal to the number of possessions per game of last year’s Blazers team.

The difference was efficiency. They were the 2nd most efficient offense that year. I don’t know if they had a ton of fast break points, but they were generally very slow. The run, run, and run strategy hasn’t ever been close to being employed by Nate.

Half court could also be easier for a young team since they don’t need to make fast decisions. It also fits Roy and two bigs much better than playing run and gun. Young players aren’t automatically better suited for a fast tempo.

by poster on Aug 25, 2008 1:19 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think the reason Nate prefers a slower game

is because it allows your defense to set up and you don’t repeatedly get the ball jammed down your throat if you are a young team who can’t defend a fast break. If the Blazers play fast, opposing teams will try to do the same because fast teams are seldom good defensive teams. The Blazers do not look to be a great defensive team against the break this year.

Also, there are very few coaches who will trade a fast break in exchange for getting fast breaked in return (Don Nelson, Mike D’Antoni) hoping to win the total count. The 80’s Lakers were an exception because they were an outstanding defensive team, same for the ’80’s Celts.

by fat27 on Aug 25, 2008 3:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Versatility

I believe that this team CAN and SHOULD run. Web and LMA should be allowed to run to take advantage of their strengths. There will be games however where we will not dictate the pace of the game and I feel that this team is versatile enough to play the half court game as well. On paper, I believe we are as versatile as the 08 Lakers.

by Philthyanimal on Aug 25, 2008 9:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

OK, can we at least have a "pressure the ball all over the floor unit"?

Thanks for the thoughtful posts, guys.

I do see the wisdom of not making Roy run the fast break. He’s great in the set offense. And it is great that we have the versatility to have both a fast break and a good set offense.

And I never meant to imply Oden would be running – in fact, a benefit of being a rebounding center who keys the fast break is that you don’t HAVE to run down the length of the floor every possession (which he would have to do in the half court set.)

And I should have emphasized D more than running. Because you’re right, Denver proved you can’t run without D. But a great D leads naturally TO running… (And BTW, to the poster who said running doesn’t win – man, you must be young… I mean, I can see not remembering the pioneering Russell-Cousy fast breaking Celtics winning championships 11 out of 13 years, but you don’t even remember the Magic-led Showtime Fakers? Geesh… True, Jordan and the 3-pt line has made the center led fast break more work per point, so the lazy NBA hip hop ‘star’ would rather shoot a 3… but that does NOT mean that a team with a dominating center, suffocating Defense, and awesome fast break wouldn’t win!! Geesh!)

But by all accounts, Kevin plans to keep most of this group most of the year… so how do you win with youth? Out run the opposition, and use your youth to your advantage, is the obvious answer… I’m just trying to figure out how that strategy translates into tactics..

However, good posts above have convinced me that perhaps a Roy, Blake backcourt isn’t the right one for this. OK, so here’s a refinement: let’s build a “hustle squad” that plays full court trapping D, and runs every chance they get… (Roy and Blake can lead the set offense…)

I know I want LaMarcus on that team… And Bayless… And Rudi… And this is the one squad that Sergio should be on… and I really want Oden there, too… OK, there’s my five… Let Rudi hound the ball, like he seems to know how to do, if it’s a big guard Jerryd can handle him instead of Sergio… Oden gets the boards and hits the outlet. LA just has to beat the other team’s 4th + 5th fastest guys upcourt if the “little 3” don’t have the advantage…

OK, so I guess what I’m asking is, can we maybe run a trapping full court zone press with a “triangle defense” of three ball-hawking guards anchored by LA and Greg as a 2-man zone?

by Visionary1 on Aug 25, 2008 7:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Miami would eat us alive

with Wade, beasley and marion, if we employed that trapping full court zone press. Wade is one of the strongest 2 guards in the league, and he would be able to physically overpower sergio, bayless and fernandez if they were all on the floor at the same time. That kind of a squad will get destroyed by an opposing team with a dominant sf or a great 2/3 combo, ala LBJ for the first and Allen/Pierce for the second.

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by premthegrem on Aug 26, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some good teams run

Some good teams play in the halfcourt. Good teams can slow the pace down with their defense. Good teams can force turnovers or eat shot clock with their pressure defense.

Great teams are capable of doing any of the above at given times. Great teams are the ones that pull out victories no matter which the opponent tries to impose. San Antonio is a classic example from the current era. Force them into the halfcourt? You’re dead. Slip up and let them run? Bye-bye. Try to grind it out on their defense? Welcome to your 82 points. Try to run on them? They always end up five points ahead.

One of the reasons Portland was decent, but not really good (let alone great), last year was that they were capable of playing certain styles well but just horrible in others. They could contain you defensively by staying in front of you but they could never get out and pressure. They could make you miss a shot but they couldn’t rebound it consistently. They worked the ball around well in the halfcourt but didn’t get enough penetration. They couldn’t run to save their lives because they couldn’t rebound well enough and they had spotty execution. If it came down to basic defense and jump shots Portland had a great chance. When it got rough or fast or the opponent had a hot streak that night the Blazers couldn’t hang as well.

Beginning with this season (and I say “beginning” because it may take awhile to even explore the possibilities we have, let alone gel enough to exploit them fully) the Blazers’ roster will be more complete and multi-talented. We should begin to explore different methods of attack and defense, running and pressuring among them. We have the horses to do some of that now. Eventually we should grow into one of those great teams who can win with any dimension.

Keep in mind also the Blazers were still very young last year and remain so. You have to crawl before you can walk. This team has been schooled in basic, percentage defense and offense. That’s the base from which they will branch out. A 13-year veteran can shift gears easily because he’s seen it all. He knows not just how to run and pressure but when and against whom. Young guys take a little more time to figure that out. You don’t want them shifting gears all over the place and not getting any of them right so you coach them pretty heavily. They’ll learn, though.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 26, 2008 1:07 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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