Rudy Recap: Breaking Down the Defense
Since it’s been one of the primary items up for discussion in the early analysis of Rudy’s Olympics tournament I thought I’d reserve this recap specifically for a detailed examination of his defense. Throughout the contest I did nothing but focus on Rudy (which is what I’ve done throughout) and only watched
Overall Impression:
I was surprised by some of the comments in the Gameday Thread about Rudy having a poor game, as this was by far the best game I’ve seen him play defensively. (Keep in mind I did not see the fourth quarter of the
Specifics About Rudy’s Defensive Game:
Having watched Rudy a few times now it seems pretty clear what his defensive strengths and weaknesses are. They have held steady throughout the tournament. His biggest asset by far is his quickness. He can get to spots in a hurry. This helps him in transition and in help defense as well. Another asset is his ability to see the floor and his willingness to help out. He rotates often and roams the passing lanes. The liabilities which hamstring him are two. First, even though he gets to spots quickly he’s just not adept at imposing his will when he gets there. He’ll close out quickly but end up out of position anyway or just watch his man dribble by him. He’ll double team but allow the dribbler to split it. Second, though he sees the floor well he doesn’t always make good defensive decisions especially when given a choice between two defensive options. He’ll pick the wrong guy to move to or the wrong time to move. More often than that, though, he’ll simply split the middle between the options, moving into no-man’s land and ending up guarding nobody. The latter is by far the biggest flaw in his team defense. A fair amount of plays simply go by him while he watches or finds himself with too much distance to cover. At times you can have fun playing the “Who Is Rudy Guarding?” game.
Possession-by-Possession Breakdown of Tonight’s Game:
I recorded Rudy’s contributions to each defensive possession for
After each possession in which a significant positive or negative thing happened for Rudy I marked either one or two plusses or minuses, depending on the severity. Note that this does not necessarily correspond to the overall result of the play. Some of Rudy’s plus plays may have resulted in baskets for
FIRST QUARTER
Possession--Result
1 Rudy ends up in no-man’s land on the right-hand side. His man gets by. -
2 Rudy pressures the ball, but no result
3 Rudy stays near his man on the wing, no result
4 Rudy stays near his man on the wing, no result
5 Rudy dodges a pick and then doubles hard. Then he cuts off the dribble of a second man. ++
6 Rudy stays up top, no result
7 Commercial interruption …unable to see
8 Rudy cuts off the dribbler on the break +
9 Rudy stops the ball on the perimeter but then loses his man after it’s passes out and back. His man drives down the lane. -
10 Rudy runs to close out on a perimeter guy after
11 Rudy stands on the wing, no result
12 Rudy runs up on a dribbler in the open court and forces a travel ++
13 Rudy hanging around the perimeter, no result
14 Rudy tries to poke away a
15 Rudy hangs on the perimeter and makes an appropriate rotation into the lane, no result
--Rudy goes to the bench around 2:40
SECOND QUARTER
Possession-Result
--Rudy enters the game around 8:38
1 Rudy gets rubbed off on a pick but catches up. Then he switches to another man and forces a bad pass. +
2 Rudy rotates into the lane but too late to stop a drive. Questionable no-call, could have gone either way.
3 Rudy assumes primary defensive possession on a dribbler on the break but then abandons it, allowing him to get up a shot which Rudy then has to try and block from behind. -
4 Rudy denies the ball in the post and then blocks out against a possible rebound +
5 Rudy steals the ball off of a pass ++
6 Rudy makes an alert switch, then pressures with a quick double team, then runs and takes a third man. (This was the play of the game for him. You hear the announcer comment about
7 Commercial interruption
8 Rudy moves to double the ball-handler but then leaves him to drift into no-man’s land -
9 Rudy on perimeter, no result
10 Rudy stands a bit then ends up in no-man’s land behind the man he’s guarding -
--3:15 Rudy goes out
THIRD QUARTER
Possession-Result
1 Rudy doubles, then returns to his original man, then makes an appropriate rotation. Decent but no result.
2 Rudy drifted into the lane guarding nobody and leaving a guy wide open on the wing but it’s a decent play because the shot clock was expiring. No result.
3 Rudy teams with Ricky Rubio to trap a dribbler on the break. +
4 Rudy switches out to the perimeter, no result
5 Rudy quickly doubled but never got back to his original man, drifting into no-man’s land instead, and ended up behind the play. -
6 Commercial interruption
7 Rudy fought past a pick in the lane but when he caught up to his man the guy spun around him immediately off of the dribble -
8 Fast break, Rudy is behind play because he ended up on the floor on the offensive end, no result
9 Rudy fights past a pick again exactly as in Possession 7. This time he gets double-team help and the man is stopped before he can dribble by. No result
10 Rudy presses full court. Decent, but no result
11 Rudy presses full court again and gets beat. -
--Rudy goes out at 5:15
FOURTH QUARTER
Possession-Result
1 Rudy helps down low but nobody returns the favor by rotating to his original man. No result (but shame on his teammates)
2 Rudy fights through picks, gets help on the double team, and they force a turnover +
3 Rudy pokes the ball away temporarily, later gets an unopposed rebound. Decent but really a no result
4 Rudy draws the offensive foul in a push-off scrum down low. Nice toughness. +
5 Rudy follows the dribbler through traffic but then matadors a double team he goes to force after the pass is made
--6:50 Rudy goes out
Totals:
++ 4
+ 6
- 9
-- 0
As you can see, the tally is almost evenly split between plusses and minuses, with weight being given to the positive because there were four double-plusses and no real double-minuses in this game. That’s why this was pretty much his best game. He’s had double-plusses before but he’s also balanced them with some groan-inducing mistakes. Not so much tonight.
Even as it is, his defense needs work. It’s not like he has nothing to offer, but he’s too inconsistent at this point. Possessions are coveted dearly in the NBA, especially on a Nate McMillan team. Unless a guy makes an incredible offensive impact to balance it out most coaches won’t bet on a coin-flip defensive guy…at least not for long. Also some of those minuses that he gets away with against Olympic competition are going to look bad in the NBA where almost every guard has the potential to fry your cookies one-on-one. Hopefully Oden and Aldridge will compensate for some of those mistakes but we’re just talking about Rudy here. (In any case, you’ll still want him to improve.) Notice also that, as we said in the beginning, we almost never mentioned him not getting to a spot. Rather his mistakes happen because he got to the wrong spot or got himself out of position after he got to the right one. The good news is that those things can be taught far easier than effort and speed. There’s some hope that with seasoning we can see many of those minuses disappear.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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Easy enough
Whenever you’re playing defense you should be in position to defend somebody. For instance you can defend your man or you can go to double team your teammate’s man. The thing you CAN’T do is split the difference and then stand there in between. It’s OK to be one foot from your guy and ten feet from another. It’s OK to be one foot from the other guy and ten feet from yours too. It’s not OK to be five feet from each because then either one can make a play that you can’t counter.
Now, there are some exceptions, such as when you’re on the weak side of a zone defense (the side the ball’s not on) and the opponent puts most of his guys on the strong side. Somebody has to hang back on the weak side in case they flip the ball over there. But that’s not what was happening to Rudy. You also sometimes leave your man to stand at a spot you know they’ll have to pass through to make a play even if there’s nobody in that spot yet. That’s not what was happening on those plays I mentioned either.
One spot you never, EVER want to be is behind a play, meaning your man and the ball got past you and you’re looking at his back now. This seems to happen to Rudy at least twice a game, and not just off of gambles for steals either. It happens when he closes out on his man. Sometimes it happens on the break even, which is a big no-no. The first things they teach about basketball defense are to keep yourself between your man and the ball when he doesn’t have it and keep yourself between your man and the basket when he does have it (and most other times). Rudy sometimes messes that up.
—Dave
To clarify
No man’s land isn’t really a specific spot on the court, as in tennis. Rather it’s determined by where the offensive players are and your need to be able to affect the progress of at least one of them.
—Dave
That's a really good observation (and a very detailed look at his defense, bravo)
I noticed that very much in the game against Angola, when they played pretty sloppy defense because Angola wasn’t that dangerous. On at least two consecutive plays, he ended up standing alone under the basket like a center after having lost his man (“who is Rudy guarding”), looking confused and picking up a foul as he tried to go up for a rebound against one of their bigs. Also, it’s still too easy to get rid of him with good picks, leaving him standing somewhere around the perimeter while his man can shoot or drive to the basket.
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Dave,
i slightly disagree….its fine to play passing lanes….but only if you can recover quick enough, and only if you dont let your men backdoor you……in that case you can be more than five feet away from both men……
it works cuz you force the guy with the ball to operate on an island…
thats my take
by BroyTheTruth on Aug 20, 2008 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Good game D
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Who's worse? Sergio or Rudy?
I know Sergio’s Defense is as raw as my bum the morning after Taco Night.
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Aug 20, 2008 8:34 AM PDT reply actions
My Bad - But the good news about El Chaucho is...
my bad, I thought this was the Toddler BE, Poop Jokes Allowed. But alas, I am glad Sergio has been working on his game in the Canary Islands this summer after getting snubbed for that spanish squad. That must hurt, hurts like my instestines after I ate a pound of my Aunt’s meatloaf and a 50 oz protein shake topped off with a half gallon of ice cream and a 2 liter of Coke.
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Aug 20, 2008 8:56 AM PDT reply actions
Ernest Hemingway meets Joey Chestnut
Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."
I think Rudy needs to slow down at certain moments
From the few games I’ve watched it seems that Rudy is the type of player who needs to be doing something all the time. Whether it be defending, on offense with or without the ball, time outs, bathroom breaks…well maybe not bathroom breaks but you get the idea. With this penchant for constant motion, a problem can arise, getting caught in “no mans land.”
He has a constant motor to go and if he would just slow down on the defensive side at times in the zone and let things develop, this would give him more time to pick the right space to occupy and see things clearly. Things that are mastered slowly, yet perfectly, will develop speed on it own. With his quickness and tenacity, he could be a very good defender. But, and a big “but” it is, he needs better coaching with discipline emphasized on defense and slow down a bit….he’s sometimes a bit frantic out there.
He’s fun to watch play though isn’t he? I’m willing to tolerate a few mistakes to watch that kind of basketball.
Peace
by ColoradoBlazerFan on Aug 20, 2008 10:00 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hey Dave
How would Rudy do if the Blazers went zone every time he was in the game? It seems his ability to move quickly would be an asset, while giving his teammates a chance to cover more quickly if he got toasted.
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by TheThinWhiteDuke on Aug 20, 2008 10:08 AM PDT reply actions
Yeah
The Blazers may have to zone up to cover. But that’s hardly a Rudy phenomenon. They’ve been doing it for the last couple of years. Last year they actually got proficient at it and turned it to their advantage by disguising zones a lot and confusing opponents. But eventually people catch on. If you can’t defend straight up you’ll eventually get exploited.
I do think Rudy will be more comfortable in a zone at first. He’s better at watching an area than a man and there are often fewer crucial decisions to be made in a zone than in man-to-man. The best thing of all for him would be if Oden and Aldridge really do become defensive intimidators in the middle, allowing him to roam free outside with minimal consequences. If he can just hang around and pick off passes he’ll be like a greased duck in water. I actually think this will happen eventually, plus I think Rudy will improve at individual defense eventually. My point is we need to give this at least a year or so to let it mix, understanding that what we see early is likely to be problematic as Rudy and Oden adjust to the league and the rest of the team adjusts to them.
—Dave
Rudy
My only hope is that Rudy can play enough to keep BRoys minutes under 30 for the regular season… anything more than that would be a bonus in my opinion. We need to keep the minutes low on Oden and Roy’s knees.
Great detailed work Dave. Much appreciated.
Darn, I didn’t know that game was on so I didn’t get to see it.
I remember telling him how impressed I was with a player during summer league. In Avery's unique voice, he replied, "Marc, it's summer league." I
Position question:
In the NBA, among the three backcourt positions, which would he be best at defending?
Which would he defend the worst?
(Maybe I should do a POLL. But this question isn’t worth a separate post.)
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I have him pegged as pretty much SG-only, at least to start
There are times when he does well staying in front of his man, usually when the dribbler starts up top and there’s no interference. In the U.S. game he did a good job staying in front of Deron Williams on one drive. He’s got the quickness to do it. But a good NBA point guard is going to exploit too many of the times he doesn’t move laterally quicly enough and/or gets a little behind on the pick.
As far as small forwards, that’s a minimum of 6’8" and nowadays can range up to 6’10" with a ton of athleticism and quickness as well. Non-scoring SF’s I could see Rudy taking a chance against. But guys who can bull over him or especially post him up would be scary. The NBA refs won’t let him use the Euro-grabbyhand defense down low. I bet Rudy would try to stand in there because he’s got some grit but honestly if my SF could post I’d tell him to take Rudy low and just bump him down until he got a foul or an easy two.
One bonus for either of these situations is that Rudy will have help. However as we saw a couple years ago you cannot predicate a defense on getting double-team help all the time. No matter how hard you try by the third week of the season opponents will have it scouted and pick you off like sitting ducks.
—Dave
Okay . . . follow -up question:
Between the point guard and the shooting guard, who gets which defensive assignment in the following pairings?
- Rudy/Bayless
- Rudy/Roy
- Roy/Bayless
It kinda goes without saying that if any of the above three are paired with Sergio or Blake, Blagio gets the PG.
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Bayless always gets the PG when he's in as far as I can see
He stays in front of people pretty well although I didn’t observe the defensive court awareness in him that I see in Rudy.
Rudy/Roy is a tough call. I think it depends on the specific matchup, on who’s in foul trouble, and on what you want to accomplish. If you want to press the PG full court it’s Rudy. If you’re talking one possession to save the game it might be Roy (though why you’d have either in that position in that situation is a question). I’d say the Rudy/Roy combo would be seen more as part of a three-guard lineup with a point guard. In that case one would take the small forward. I am pretty sure this will happen with frequency next year but I’m also pretty sure that each time it will be situational and for limited minutes.
—Dave
Speaking of situational . . .
. . . I do think Rudy would be outstanding in an end-of-game situation where there are
stoppages in play after every possession (timeout, intentional foul, whatever),
and a team can put out different squads for offense and defense, counting on changing personnel with possession.
In that case, where the offensive squad will get replaced before going on defense, Rudy’s gonna be a must-play.
(And we may see regular installments of a Oden-Przy pairing on defense in the same setting.)
Thoughts?
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i also disagree...
you dont gotta be 6’8 to play small forward…..a lot of it is about will…
But, there is a physical skillset needed to play that position that rudy doesnt have…
I do think SF’s can be 6’6 and strong…at least storong enough to hold their ground on the block…
Remember Barkley? 6’4, all muscle…..listed at 6’6 but cmon….dude was 6’4. and he swung between SF and PF….I’m just sayin the right guy can make it work, without having all the height….
I also think if Oden owns the middle the way i think he can…we’ll have no trouble running three guard sets….roy will guard the 3, and if they try to post him up..oden is the big eraser…
My guess is Rudy will find his spot no the team no problem….Blake is great, but we lack “energy” guys….Rudy brings a lot of energy to the table
by BroyTheTruth on Aug 20, 2008 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions
Rudy's D
I think Nate can’t wait to get his training hands on Rudy. By the time the season starts Rudy will have absorbed so much NBA D from Nate that his head will be spinning. But it appears he’s got the ability and willingness to learn and do. I think he’ll be playing ahead of Bayless.
Nice job Dave
I noticed that Rudy was pulled out during the 2,3,4 quarters after having some – (or "matador") possessions. Looks like he was probably tired and his coach was probably seeing some of the same defensive lapses that you were.
It might be more coincidence in this game
as Rudy has had some of those defensive possessions in early games and kept right on playing. But I will say that there does seem to be a strong connection between Rudy’s overall energy level and his defense, so maybe Spain’s coach just noticed him getting a little tired (perhaps reflected in the defense a little) and wanted to get him some rest, especially since the game was well in hand.
—Dave
So Dave
Who has the most impressive “Rookie” season?
Oden, Bayless or Fernandez?
Or Me, oh wait, I am a Vet with the body of a boy.
P.S. I am gonna make a post and I want a Dave comment, my post will be about what to expect as far as Atmosphere and Such at Home games this year.
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by BlazermaniacAndy on Aug 20, 2008 1:12 PM PDT reply actions
Great post
Thanks for detailed insight.
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USA GAME
does anybody know if the game between USA and Argentina will be on tv tonite and what time
Thanks Dave
Disagreeing with ptwnblzr, the depth of your effort and your eye for detail are seen here often but only from you (I know that is not how he meant it). You have reassured the folks on top of the Fremont Bridge that Rudy has the ability to play here.
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Oh yeah
Rudy has ALWAYS had the ability to play here. He’s not going to be a bust by any stretch of the imagination. Offensively he is probably going to fit like a glove with whatever unit you put him out there with. I am absolutely ecstatic about his quickness offensively, his comfort in handling and shooting, and his willingness to pass (though he’ll have to curb the loopers). You could not ask for a better Euro player to come in here right now. However he is going to have a defensive adjustment. ColoradoBlazerFan was right on above when he said sometimes Rudy moves too quickly for his own good…which is not necessarily a compliment to his quickness. (It’s not how quick you are, it’s how you use it.) The NBA game is going to be fast compared to what he’s used to, causing him to rush even more. The decisions are going to be harder, come quicker, and have more dire consequences than we’re seeing here. I expect there will be more grimace-inducing moments in his first year than we’ll wish to see. However from what I see his progression is up to him. I think he has the tools to become an average defender in the NBA at worst. If he really wants it badly I bet he could become a darn good defender with an outside chance of being great. But he’s not going to be at first and that may limit his comfort zone and effectiveness…maybe his playing time as well depending on how much he’s able to contribute in other areas.
—Dave
I think you pretty much hit the right spot,
when you said, “his progression is up to him”….He has enough tools and natural ability to become a decent NBA player, but how he will adjust and adapt will determine what lies ahead for Rudy. He has several weak points, so if he can polish off some of those, and refine his up side, he could be the guy they hoped for. However, he may need to do this quickly, because although this team is still building, they are looking to get some set pieces within a couple years. I do not think they can allow as much liability like they have given Webster and Outlaw. There is some pressure on Rudy to produce, and it can turn against him if he cannot handle it well……….Fitting into the team will be his test. I noticed with his last game (Croatia) he seemed more “in control” of his game…..But he has a high energy style and coming down to earth may be a very large adjustment for his effectiveness as a player. Also, can he be coached? If he can, then this could be a huge factor in his progress. This hurt Webster in his first couple years, and seriously damaged his progress. (I guess this may have been a maturity problem)…I don’t think Rudy has this problem, so ………….play hard, get your minutes, and help this team win some games.
by 67 on Aug 21, 2008 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions
Good points
I do not see Rudy failing to respond to a challenge either. I still drool about what he brings offensively together with Roy. He strikes me as being a quiet assassin, making plays and improving every week. If he did not have that drive to be the best he would not be here. Already a rock star in Spain and Europe the NBA is all about challenge for Rudy.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
I was just disappointed the only seemed to use Rudy as much as the had to. Rudy seemed to just being
getting heated up and then it was back to the bench. Thank god that there are those 8 extra minutes in the NBA and they actually call fouls in the NBA.

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