Could Oden be like Hakeem?
First off, every one watch this....then think of Oden playing on this level..
I bring this up only because Hakeem is my favorite center ever. If Oden could approach this level, nothing could stop us.....remember physically they are very similar
A look at some stats: Shaq got 23.4 points and 13.9 rebounds his rookie season, Hakeem got 20.6 points and 11.9 rebounds,and Duncan got 21.1 points, 11.9 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 2.5 blocks per game…...My guess is Oden, in his rookie year, puts up 16-18 points and 10-12 rebounds
At first take, Oden is more of a power center than Hakeem, but his offense is underrated. Even Hakeem was a little raw offensivley in college.
Here's my impression looking back on his Ohio State games: It’s not like his offensive game is completely undeveloped. He will command double teams...The reason, there are few who can physically match up with him..Combo PF/C’s will get eaten up…guys like runner up ROY last year Al Hortford..A big guy in his own right, cant match up with him…He’s too strong, and can back his way to the rim for either a dunk, or a soft layup/hook shot which i’ve seen he can make with either hand, and he can shoot free throws….
All I know is he’s gonna be a load to handle, and it seems hard to expect any guy to do it by himself…the jury is still out on how he will match up with elite centers….one thing I am sure of is that his defense will cause problems, but his offense does remain the question…....the thing is, what he does, can’t be stopped. Not unless you match up physically… and after yao and shaq dissappear, the only one left to do so will be howard...
Going back to my hakeem comparison.... To me Oden looks more like David Robinson then Hakeem…his size though compares with Shaq when he entered the league…but i hope he finds a little hakeem in him, and something tells me he has that potential…........
Most likely scenario is Oden becomes a Shaq/Duncan combo….....that seems like a more realistic comparison, and i do believe he has that potential…..........In time hopefully he steps up in a leadership role…..I mean, this is Brandon’s team. But with Oden’s size, if his play and demeanor sets him on roys level in terms of leadership, we have nothing to worry about for years to come…
My hopes for next season
My hope is that Oden brings us to the NBA Finals this year....... As the eighth seed we can knock out the Lakers in the first round…Oden will average 18 and 12 with 3 blocks that series…Bynum wont be able to do anything
Second round we find a way to make it past New Orleans and CP3….Brandon finally begins being touted as highly as CP3
Third round we face the always contending San Antonio Spurs…..Oden shuts down Duncan, Rudy outplays Ginobli…and Brandon and Trav put us ontheir backs on the way to the finals…...
In the finals…...Boston tries to challenge….but Garnet gets eaten up by Oden…Roy outplays Allen, and Pierce Cant guard Travis….. it goes to game seven, and Boston barely pulls it out…..
The bitter taste of a championship lost, gives the blazers extra incentive in the offseason…and we come back to win 8 of the next ten championships….. Oden becomes a perrenial allstar in just his second year…Lamarcus snags a couple alltar appearances as well.....
alas.....i'm just a dreamer
As a team: My guess is we struggle at the beginning of the season. Then we start kicking it into gear midway through the season. This allows us to snag a final playoff spot just as we are gelling........teams at the top will try to lose games so they dont have to match up with us............
As for Oden: I hope Oden breaks the backboard, his first possession in the NBA. Even if he has to charge through Andrew Bynum to do it….There couldnt be any greater statement signifying his dominance in the game…
My hope is that time brings forth all these things.......
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We can always hope
I guess it’s possible, but I think Oden will have a hard time being as quick and finessed as Hakeem. Plus, Hakeem had that jumper Oden that definitely doesn’t have right now.
by dyshooter182 on Aug 19, 2008 1:59 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
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hahah see what I did there? Hakeem is real stretch.That guy had so many post moves and the footwork of a ballerina. And as shooter mentioned, a jump shot. So yeah a Shaq/Duncan combo makes more sense to me.
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by Dheepan on Aug 19, 2008 2:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hakeem really was a Dream.....
there may never be another like him
by BroyTheTruth on Aug 19, 2008 2:20 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oden does remind me of him though, just a little
by BroyTheTruth on Aug 19, 2008 2:21 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like the Robinson comparison
Missed his rookie year, big strong post player, not really a shooter, affable demeanor …
Nothing wrong with that!
by kickbrass on Aug 19, 2008 9:13 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Re: Hakeem, bear this in mind...
…he developed his offensive game over years, arguably reaching his zenith with that magnificent performance in the ’95 playoffs (when he made often made Robinson and Shaq look pitiful and helpless). Of course, Hakeem was slightly undersized compared to those bigger centers, so those dizzying fakes, deft footwork and reliable jumper were absolutely crucial to his game.
Having said that, I agree that Oden can likely be more of the “combo” you describe. I don’t think he’ll need quite as many post moves as a Hakeeem because he’ll be sealing off his man and throwing it down in his face a lot more.
by Modal Rounder on Aug 19, 2008 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The admiral had a great mid-range jumper too.
Maybe not at the beginning, but it is something that can be developed. I think he is the next David Robinson. Although he will have Shaq like power. I think he will progress towards being less one dimensional offensively a lot quicker than Howard will. Who cares? It will be fun to watch.
I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.
Greg Doden really brought the extra D tonight!
by MGNNoah on Aug 20, 2008 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was my favorite center growing up, too
So much confidence in his many abilities. Those left-right steps around his pivot foot to shake and fake his defender are just too quick for a big man. Great elevation. A reliable skyhook and outside shot. All this coupled with amazing amazing footwork. Last year Houston showed a training video where Hakeem tries to teach Yao some of his stuff, and obviously Yao is miles away from what he does even as a much older guy. It doesn’t matter that Hakeem is “undersized” against him, his moves and basketball IQ are still better.
http://www.nba.com/rockets/news/Yao_gets_first_tutorial_with_O-226053-34.html
http://blogs.chron.com/nba/2007/05/the_dreams_dream_yao_ming_stud.html
That was the easy part. Now, could Oden be like Hakeem? I can’t remember if Hakeem’s way of playing the game has vastly changed over time from rookie to champ, but in the games I remember – such as this one – his playing style and his body look different. More finesse, less power. I hope Oden can develop his own distinctive style. He could be as successful and would benefit from learning a few of Hakeem’s offensive moves though (even if he can’t execute them as quickly).
Of all current big men, I would probably compare Amare the most with Hakeem, who has a strong inside presence but also a reliable outside shot (which he developed while recovering from micro-fracture, there is a parallel to Oden).
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by Norsktroll on Aug 19, 2008 3:11 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
it would be amazing....
if we got oden to work with hakeem……….hakeem could definately still show him a thing or two
by BroyTheTruth on Aug 19, 2008 11:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could for sure.
I would love to hear of that happening. If Oden were to adopt Hakeem’s style of playing the position I for one would love it. With a style like Hakeem, who makes those moves look so easy and smooth Oden would be able to play a long time in this league at such a high level.
What what I have heard about Oden’s speed, quickness, and agility he would seem he has the tools to move like that, its whether he can harness his ability to do so. I would rather see Oden develop his body to be maybe less bulky and powerful because it looks like he could go either way physically.
by lethaldose on Aug 19, 2008 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has the body/foot tools.
It’s the shooting range that’s in question.
Dunno if that can be learned, especially if one is constantly put to work down low.
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by QualityPie on Aug 20, 2008 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember
Oden is younger than they were in his rookie year and he’s coming off of a season-ending injury. I would suggest comaring his 2nd or 3rd year with these other players sophomore years as a more accurate comparison.
by wilbjammin on Aug 19, 2008 6:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's also keep in mind
That clip was in Hakeem’s 11th year. Let’s all give Oden a chance to develop.
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by LaughingJon on Aug 19, 2008 7:02 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
good call on the Robinson comparison
the second I saw your title I was thinking “no, reminds me of the admiral”. I think he will move a lot like a young Robinson but He’s bigger.
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by Blazin'aTrail on Aug 19, 2008 8:41 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Imagine how good Hakeem could've been . . .
. . . if he had a teammate as good as Brandon Roy in his prime, or if Ralph Sampson
could’ve lasted as his co-big (as LaMardridge will for Oden).
Or a backup as good as Przybilla, with guys like Trout, Rudy, and Bayless on the freaking BENCH.
Ohhhhh, what could have been . . .
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on Aug 19, 2008 8:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't see Oden ever having the offensive game
of Hakeem.
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by jksnake99 on Aug 19, 2008 9:15 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hakeem on defense, a bigger Amare on offense.
That’s the best I can come up with.
That, or a bigger Reign Man with a ton o’ smarts.
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by QualityPie on Aug 19, 2008 10:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amare doesn't have the moves of Hakeem
He has the comparable size and athleticism, but Hakeem could make opponents just plain silly. Amare isn’t crafty at all, you know exactly what he will do with the ball, but since he’s so powerful you’re usually helpless to stop him.
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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 19, 2008 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
I’m just saying Oden’s offensive arsenal is more like Amare’s than like Hakeem’s, just as you described.
Not saying that’s BETTER than a Hakeem-like offensive game (and you’re right, it’s not).
But Oden’s defensive role is indeed very Hakeem-esque.
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by QualityPie on Aug 19, 2008 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unfortunately, I see Oden
becoming a power player in the mold of Shaq (all the muscle and weight he’s accumulated). I hated Shaq’s game. I’d like to see Greg get down to 265 and work on developing some Hakeem like moves.
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by TwoDeep on Aug 19, 2008 9:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
You're in luck
they won’t let Greg elbow people in the face, push them out of the way, and then dunk it. Greg will be more than a bully with the refs on his side(aka Big Shaq). The things shaq got away with make me sick. Fortunately, they won’t let Greg do that, and he will learn to dominate the right way. Oden will make Shaq look silly, this season, book it….
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by myemic23 on Aug 21, 2008 1:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Dream
God I loved that guy. So amazing……
Oden and (H)Akeem are totally different style players.
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by iDea on Aug 19, 2008 9:47 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Finals?
As much as I would like the Blazers to make the finals this year, I don’t see it happening. Plus, you fail to mention the Blazers number scoring option and future leading scorer, LaMarcus Aldridge
by Grey Home on Aug 19, 2008 10:20 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hakeem was shorter
He was listed at 7’, but if you saw him standing alongside true 7-footers (including David Robinson), you could clearly see his height was inflated. He was maybe 6-10. But who cares? He was so strong, quick, and well-coordinated that he left 7-footers in the dust. He destroyed Shaq in their first playoff series, and Shaq didn’t even mind: he basically said it was an honor to be schooled by his idol.
GO may develop plenty of offensive game, but it won’t look like Hakeem’s. Hakeem had a different build and, as a former soccer player, had remarkable footwork. On the other hand, Oden is taller and more explosive than Hakeem—even at 20 years of age. And he’s clearly improved his shot during his one year “haitus.” So the tools are there for an effective offensive game.
Will he put up numbers like Shaq, Hakeem, and Duncan did in their rookie years? No way: those guys didn’t have teammates like Roy, LMA, Outlaw, et al to put the ball in the hoop. But that’s a GOOD thing. Let GO focus on defense and rebounding for now. At the offensive end, his presence down low will free things up for his teammates. And he’ll still score around 12 ppg just off alley-oops, put-backs, and foul shots.
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by hurryup09 on Aug 19, 2008 10:37 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
What were Hakeem and Shaq's stats their last year of
college before entering the NBA? That might be a better guage of expected rookie output. As others have also stated, he is not going to be the prime offenseive threat as those two were, he is going to get more opportunistic type baskets.
If Oden averaged 9.7 boards a game in college why on earth would average 12 his rookie year coming off an injury playing against bigger and quicker competition than college?
If he turned into a David Robinson clone that wouldn’t bother me in the slightest. I don’t see him being as agile or quick as the Admiral. Remember D.R. even led the league in scoring for a season.
I see Oden’s game more like Howard’s with less explosiveness but more raw strength. Kind of like Shaq lite.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Aug 19, 2008 11:25 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden averaged 9.7 rpg with an injured hand
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by MiledAnimal on Aug 19, 2008 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hakeem's and Shaq's college stats
Hakeem:
34.1 mpg, 16.8 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 1.3 apg, 5.6 bpg, 1.6 spg, .675 fg, .526 ft
Shaq:
32.0 mpg, 24.1 ppg, 14.0 rpg, 1.5 apg, 5.2bpg, .96 spg, .615 fg, .528ft
The blocks per game both are mind boggling
by tingeyga on Aug 19, 2008 2:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is mind boggling.
Say what you want about Shaq but the guy has 5 Finals appearances with 3 different teams and in his prime made every team immediately relevant upon his arrival.
Hakeem 2 titles, 3 Finals appearances. If GO is anywhere near their level we are going to be title contenders with our other combined talent.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Aug 19, 2008 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're underestimating GO
Agreed: 12 rpg this season is unrealistic. But as for the rest of it…
Not as quick or agile as the Admiral? GO tested above many small forwards in the Orlando pre-draft measurements in speed & agility. He’s FREAKISHLY quick & agile for a 7-footer (as was Robinson, of course).
Less explosive than Howard? I’m not so sure about that either. Right now—and even during last season’s summer league—GO’s issue is stamina. David Robinson was always in great shape. Hopefully, GO will get there. Last year, he was dealing with tonsilitis and the effects of months of constant interviews, travel, etc. This year, he’s coming back from knee surgery.
If and when GO succeeds in getting into top “basketball shape,” I think he will knock our socks off. 7-footers with his combination of speed, strength, quickness, and coordination are rare birds indeed. There’s a reason that the ’07 draft was termed the “Oden Draft” a year or two beforehand.
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by hurryup09 on Aug 19, 2008 11:44 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I certainly hope that you are right! That would be a dream come true. I remember watching
a game with the Drexler Blazers against DR’s Spurs and Robinson had like 9 or 10 blocks. As impressive as that stat alone is he altered countless others and eventually high flyers like Drexler and Kersey started to look timid coming to the paint. He was in their heads. That is such a valuable assett to have on your team. Literally changes the game.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Aug 19, 2008 2:22 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've forgotten the exact stat
…but I heard that when GO was in games, Ohio State opponents’ points in the paint practically disappeared entirely. Imagine the impact of him and LMA working in concert. I expect it’ll be similar to what Robinson and Duncan did to opposing teams.
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by hurryup09 on Aug 19, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a buddy who played against oden in highschool...
afterwards….he told me. whenever oden was in the game…nobody could go to the middle….
he ate people alive….it was like asking to get blocked…eventually people gave up and settled for living on the perimeter….
“the dude just covers too much ground, and his blocks were so vicious…he almost played mean on the court”
by BroyTheTruth on Aug 19, 2008 6:57 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Twin Tower Debut- This makes me salivate
In their first season together in 1997-98, Robinson and Duncan shared the load equally as the elder player posted 21.6 points, 10.6 rebounds and 2.63 blocks per game while the young star from Wake Forest had similar numbers of 21.1 points, 11.9 rebounds and 2.51 blocks per game.
I'm a little confused by your tactics
by oderiferous emanations 74 on Aug 19, 2008 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Oden will do great developing with guys like Aldridge and Frye around him. He already has so much raw
talent that it’s only a matter of time before he starts to reach his potential. I do wish Hakeem would teach Oden though. It would speed things up a lot. That is the number 1 guy he needs to mold his game after.
by BRoyInThe4th on Aug 19, 2008 9:54 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Well, I don't know about "number 1 guy".
Seems like a year ago, all the Oden comparisons were to Bill Russell.
And sure enough, the two have been in contact.
Although Hakeem would be a nice influence, too.
But, man – when you’ve already got Bill Russell’s advice whenever you want it . . . wow.
I mean, WOW.
And Maurice Lucas on the Blazers’ coaching staff . . . and Przy to bang against every day in practice . . .
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by QualityPie on Aug 19, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that sticks out to me in the video
is Hakeem’s jump shot. He could create a good mid-range jump shot, kind of like what Aldridge is working on. How has Oden’s mid-range game developed in the last year? Apparently a lot. We’ll see how he plays. But as for what I’ve seen, Oden seems more like an inside dominant force, kind of like the power center someone mentioned above.
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by CaptainSexyJacob on Aug 20, 2008 2:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Efficiency
That jump shot made him so efficient too. He didn’t spend a lot of time developing his shot—if it was open, he just shot it. Sometimes people make basketball too complicated. The goal of an offense is to get a high percentage shot. If Hakeem needed to, he’d throw out a series of moves, but the end result was almost always a high percentage shot. High school and college guys like to dipsy doodle around and then throw up a wild shot. Or when they’re open they’ll drive to the hoop and try to put up a shot in traffic. Hakeem just recognized the situation immediately and took the best shot available.
by jamon51 on Aug 27, 2008 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And what's wrong with that?
When I first heard the Patrick Ewing comparisons, I thought, NO, NOT THAT!! Ewing was a power player who fell in love with the fadeaway jumper. Sure, he could hit it. But what a waste. 7-footers that can rebound, block shots, catch alley-oops, and generally cause havoc down low win championships for you. Especially when they’re teamed with guys like LMA & Roy.
Sure, it would add versatility if GO could occasionally draw his man outside with the threat of his jumper. That would open things up so that LMA or whoever could post up down low. But I want to see GO spend the bulk of the time in the paint, not chucking jumpers.
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by hurryup09 on Aug 20, 2008 4:21 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
This was a great post
I’m surprised it slid off without 5 recs.
by prezofdeath on Aug 24, 2008 1:45 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Could/might be a Shaq/Hakeem combo
if he works on his footsteps.However, don’t expect Oden to be better than either because of injury…
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by asiafan on Sep 7, 2008 8:16 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs

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