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Alright, so spain got blown out....big woop.

Rudy is still the man....A couple careless turnovers, but also a couple great plays. For every careless turnover, he came with a heady defensive play. Either drawing a charge on Kobe, or stealing it outright..... i also saw the refs hit him up with a couple questionable calls that pushed USA's momentum....but he played through it.

And he did knock down a couple threes and also had a few great entry passes......

From what i saw, in the early parts of the game, Rudy kept them in it....Then as soon as he went out, USA pushed the lead... pretty sure he had their first three, then an assist right away on the next play.

Clearly, in this game (like the rest), Rudy hustles. He got his hands on a lot of rebounds. Either snatching them himself, or making tips to a teammate. He's active. Not his greatest shooting performance, but was still able to put down a couple tres......seems like he comes out of nowhere for rebounds....and the way he floats defensively makes passing difficult for the opposing offense. His D on Kobe, was pretty darn good. Got no complaints...he only got beat a couple times, both of which, he forced his man to help side....fine with me, that's what oden is gonna be for (to clean up the mess). yea kobe, im talking about you......

Besides that, in the third quarter, he showed that bumps and bruises come with his style of play......same with Roy's though, which makes him that much more important as a backup.....if Roy ever goes out for an extended period due to injury. Rudy is an amazing insurance policy...My guess is after a year, he would start on a lot of teams....

And yea, he looked better than Calderon. which i think says something, cuz calderon is pretty proven NBA wise....he had more assists, and a greater overall impact on the game.....don't get carried away though, their style of play is vastly different....

But yea, I have extremely high hopes for Rudy.

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I love the guy, BUT...

It probably won’t take the NBA too long to adjust to that baseline ally-oop he’s got going on. We’ll see it probably at most once a game for the first half of the season or so, but then… defenders will be waiting for it, and stepping in the way.

But.. in the meantime… I LOVE IT!

by sagebru5h on Aug 16, 2008 12:43 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sure

But that means someone will be helping on defense. Who will be left open? Oden on the weak-side? Will Roy or Bayless have an extra three feet of a lane to drive to the hoop?

His ability to convert that play will put extra pressure on the defense.

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by tssbro on Aug 16, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

good call

makes me think of how Sabonis was able to make the bowling ball pass down low until defenders started to put their hands down in the way. It was great when it worked, but once the defense gets accustomed to it, its over.

Thing is, Rudy is a skilled passer, and he will always be able to find Trout Web and Brandon for open looks.

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by bow4meow on Aug 17, 2008 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pretty much what I expected

-A slightly less glowing review than given above. I don’t think he had that big of an impact on the game.

-Outstanding passing. Great great feel for the game.

-In these games, his three point shooting has been adequate at best, but I think he might develop into an amazing three shooter in the NBA. He’ll specialize a bit more at it. He’ll get more looks. He has a quick release.

-Not sure about his defense. He gets steals. but he lets guys go by him pretty easily… often because he’s gambling. That style of play is partly attributable to coaching, so I don’t know how he’ll play under Nate.

-I still think he can play SF; I’m holding on the dream of him being the starting SF next year. He does everything we need the starting SF to do, from an offensive standpoint. Defensively, you wouldn’t want him guarding Lebron, but who would you want guarding Lebron?

by PoliSam on Aug 16, 2008 12:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The only thing in that game which reminded me of a SF ...

Was that you could see him standing near the corner outside the line a few times, waiting for a pass. Then, he missed a few open shots, but he has enough length for the NBA 3 and moves great without the ball. He was able to stay in front of Kobe a few times (who plays some SF when LA plays with three guards), but I doubt he could guard physical threes like Melo or LeBron (well, nobody can, but he would see him just two times per year anyway).

To me, he is still a classic SG, with good passing ability which could help him switch to other spots. Nate said he intends to play him a lot at the two in pre-season, probably with Blake, Bayless and Sergio a lot at the one while Roy still rests.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 16, 2008 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

3 pt shooting

You have to remember the NBA 3 pointer is longer. I forsee Rudy being an above average shooter from deep, and certainly not afraid to take the shot, but he will slash as much as he shots (keeps his defenders guessing) just like Ginobli. I don’t see him specializing in the long ball in the NBA.

by MavetheGreat on Aug 17, 2008 12:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would use

“Ginobili” in quotes. Rudy’s not quite on Ginobili’s level in terms of getting to the basket.

by JasonT on Aug 17, 2008 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The word "forsee"

covers the fact that Rudy isn’t there yet.

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by 92wastheyear on Aug 17, 2008 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Say what?

At this age Ginobili won team titles in Italy and the Euroleague, became finals MVP and league MVP (twice), and participated in All-Star games. Rudy has won the ULEB cup and ULEB cup MVP, which is ranked below the Euroleague. He didn’t become MVP in Spain, that was Marc Gasol.

I am very high on Rudy, and would say he is on road to maybe one day be as good as a Kevin Martin or even a Ginobili. But before he doesn’t at least make the All-Rookie second team like Ginobili did, then go on to win an All-Star invitation, a sixth man award, and most importantly a title, he has no bragging rights over Ginobili (who also has an Olympics title and MVP, an area Rudy could match up quickly but unlikely). That’s a long way to go.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 17, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all i know...

the blazers staff has compared footage of Manu and Rudy at similar ages, and have openly stated that Rudy has performed at a higher level at a younger age

by BroyTheTruth on Aug 17, 2008 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Might very well be

They are definitely similar players, always in motion, always active, sometimes out of control, with great shooting skills. But to me it looks like Ginobili was a better dribbler / ball handler at this age, and probably a better defender.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HV0b2Mi12M

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 17, 2008 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanx for the link....

their athleticism and energy does make them very similar…Manu, perhaps is a better ballhandler…im not convinced though….even their style of dribbling is similar…. i also think manu may have been a more tenacious defender…though rudy does bring tenacity of his own to the table

either way they are both spectacular…..

people came around with manu,
people are gonna come around with Rudy

by BroyTheTruth on Aug 17, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at thier stats

Manu Ginobili had a PER of 19.8 in the 2000-2001 Euroleague season (age 23) and 22.3 in the 2001-2002 season (age 24).

Rudy Fernandez had a PER of 24.5 in the 2006-2007 Euroleague season (age 22) and didn’t play in the Euroleague in 2007-2008 but had a PER of 32.0 in the ACB league which is pretty similar to the Euroleague in terms of level of competition (and the ACB league right now is probably stronger than the Euroleague was back when Ginobili was still in Europe).

Rudy hasn’t won some of the titles that Ginobili did, but if Rudy were playing in the Itallian League last year he would have won the MVP easily, and if his team had won the Euroleague he would almost certainly have been finals MVP. To me it looks like Rudy is significantly more productive than Ginobili was at his age, and the difference in team titles is due to a difference in teams, not because Manu was any better than Rudy.

by trk on Aug 17, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hasn't the Euroleague narrowed the talent gap in recent years?

It’d be like inflation for Baskeball skill. If Ginobli had 5 million skillz dollars when he was 23, he would have 5 skillz dollars now. If Rudy has 1 million skillz Euros that would be like 8000000000 million skillz dollars when he gets to whatever age Ginobli is now. It’s pretty scientific, but totally accurate.

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by hobobob on Aug 19, 2008 2:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to be snarky...

but, don’t you think I made my comment knowing that the NBA three point line is farther back than the international one? It’s probably the first thing any NBA fan notices when they watch the international game.

I don’t think Rudy will be able to slash as much in the NBA as he did in Spain. He will, therefore, specialize more in outside shooting than he did in Spain. Could be wrong. We shall see.

by PoliSam on Aug 17, 2008 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the first thing we notice about FIBA ball

is that the lane is oblongated to keep players from camping even though its only called infrequently and usually only when a ref can call it against the team competing against his home country and when it might matter.

Maybe the second thing they notice is the 3 point line distance, but not until kobe starts jacking up 3’s from Taiwan and the announcer mentions that kobe isnt used to shooting such a short trey.

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by bow4meow on Aug 17, 2008 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rudy played well?

I wish I could say that Rudy played well, but seriously. What exactly did he do? I almost forgot he was even out there… and he needs to show a lot more toughness than having to leave the game after hitting the hard-wood. Rudy looked very average and completely over-powered. At least in this game as well as in his 3 point effort in the previous game. Spain may be playing a little poker with team USA to give them some over-confidence should they meet in the gold medal round. But just because we’re all Blazer fans and want the best for our boys, you cannot say that Rudy played well in this game. Bad shot selection, very lazy on both end of the court and he looked intimadated… Just because he got in the passing lane a few times, had a dunk and dropped a few from the outside doesn’t mean he played well. So let’s be honest with this game here and hope that there was some mental strategy from Spain to give this game away and play with the minds a little. Until we see otherwise, Rudy has some learning to do… He will learn, but I have to think it’s going to take awhile. Perhaps this is a good thing as he’s playing behind Brandon (for the most part) and I honestly don’t want to give Rudy minutes over Brandon… do you?

With that said, Spain will have no chance against this team in the medal rounds, nor will anyone else. L. James has made some sceptics perk up, but in my opinion, D. Wade has been a terror. He looks every bit as good as the Wade of say 3 years ago if not better. He’s explosive to the rim, his defense is smoothering and his game has just elevated to a new level. I think Wade is the real “x” factor with this team and I am the first to eat my own words when I figured he was through playing at the level we all remember him at back in the day…

by javajams on Aug 16, 2008 1:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Rudy did not look bad.

Intimidated? You mean when he was taking charges and being a pest to a very cranky Lebron James? Or when he was swatting the ball out of Kobe’s hands and easily losing him a few times on offense?

Not everything Rudy does is going to show up in stats, he plays very well off the ball and is always moving and hustling. He had a bad land and had to sit out a large portion of the game anyway. There is nothing about Rudy’s defense suggests he will not be able to play D in the NBA. The only thing I saw in his defense was lack of good coaching, he does a pretty good job many times but lets the occasional one slip by completely.

When you judge him by how well he did against Kobe, Lebron, and Wade you aren’t going to be too happy. It’s one thing facing ONE of those guys every couple weeks or so, it’s another going against all 3 in the span of 20 minutes playing time. Most times Rudy will be playing against 2nd string, average players, not the most elite in the world.

by Bskey on Aug 16, 2008 5:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Judging Rudy...

Bskey,

I clarified my opinion on Rudy in my post by specfically calling out his performance against USA. But you may also want to look at his 1/7 performance for a total of 3 points against Germany in the previous game. Is Germany a powerhouse like team USA? They have two NBA players on the entire team, both of which play PF/C and never matched up one-on-one with Rudy.

Rudy is a good player and could very well just be in a slump. And again, I was just giving you my un-biased opinion of his performance against USA. Apparently some of you saw his performance differently and that’s fine. I was just being honest and I hope that he will eventually develop into a solid contributor for us in the future. I just think that will take much longer than many of us are expecting. If he comes in and is an impact player right out the gate, I’ll eat my words and you can say “I told you so”…

by javajams on Aug 17, 2008 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not really interested in I told you so's

Though, even going off the Germany game you shouldn’t that that just because of one bad game. He’s been playing professional ball 6 or so years and has been considered the best player in Europe by many. Even in that Germany game he was still hustling.

By your words yes I suppose this could be considered a slump for Rudy, however I still don’t think he’s playing bad. Even players on the USA team have had bad games, look at K*be’s shooting over the course of the games.

I’m not disagreeing with you that he’ll have work to do when he enters the NBA, but just like you think some people are overrating his readiness I think you may be underrating it a bit.

by Bskey on Aug 17, 2008 3:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Disagree as well

I wouldn’t say Rudy played badly, but I also wouldn’t say he played outstanding. Agree about the following: Rudy had sub-par shot selection, we won’t want Rudy playing over B-Roy, and that D-Wade has been a huge part of the team’s success.

I disagree with the main point of your thread on a couple in a couple areas. For one, I don’t think Rudy looked lazy. I thought he was active and played his role on the Spanish team. The players on the Spanish team have certain roles, and they know them. Maybe it looked lazy to you, but from my perspective, Rudy was doing his job. That was a positive sign for me because he will have a role with the Blazers too, and its important for him to do his job rather than trying to do too much, or playing outside himself.

I also didn’t think he looked intimidated at all. He slashed to the hoop, he put his body on the line, he dunked. Again, I saw it one way, you saw it another.

I thought Spain was over-powered, but not Rudy anymore than the team was. Can you give examples or is it just a sense?

by MavetheGreat on Aug 17, 2008 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for asking Mave...

Please keep in mind, I’m only talking about the game vs. team USA. I get the feeling that some of you are a little defensive about my comments towards his play. I recognize that he played very well in his first two games:

game vs. Greece. He scored 16 points on 56% FG shooting (5/9), 4/4 from the FT line, 2/3 from the 3 point line (67%), 2 rbs, 1 steal, 2 to’s and 1 block with 1 assist in just under 23 minutes.
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game vs. China: He scored 21 points on 50% FG shooting (8/16), 3/5 from the FT line, 2/5 from the 2 point line (40%) 8 rbs, 6 assists, 2 steals, 4 to’s and 1 block.

So, between those 2 games he’s put up 37 points (13/25 FG (52) and 4/8 (50) from the 3). He’s also added 8 rebounds, 3 steals, 7 assists, 6 turn-overs and 2 blocks and attempted 9 free throws. Not bad at all. One thing to point out is the NBA experience of the competition here. China 1 in Yao (and the Lakers picked up one of their players recently but he hasn’t played in the NBA yet so he doesn’t count), and Greece doesn’t have any NBA players to my knowledge.

Since then:
Gemany: 1/7 from the field, 1/5 from the 3, 0/2 from the FT line, 3 rbs, 2 assists, 1 steal, 3 TO’s. 3 points.
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USA: 3/8 from the field, 2/6 from the 3, 0/0 from the FT line, 4 rbs, 3 assists, 3 steals, 4 TO’s. 8 points.

Last 2 games combined: 4/15 from the field (27), 3/11 from the 3 (27), 0/2 from the FT line (0%). He averaged in those 2 games: 5.5 points, 3.5 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 3.5 turn-overs, 2 steals, 0 Blocks.

Compare the first 2 and the last 2 games. I really hope that it’s a slump that Rudy is in. They are night and day from each other and I don’t know if it means anything at all, but those first 2 teams had almost no NBA talent for Rudy to face except Yao of course. Germany had 2 players in Kaman and Dirk (both PF/C). And when I say that he looked lazy, he only attempted 2 FT’s in 2 games. His aggression offensively was passive (lazy) in my opinion and the fact that he didn’t attempt a single free throw in 20 minuts of play vs. USA says something… especially since USA was getting whistled for nearly everything in that game as they were playing Spain very aggressively. I didn’t see him getting involved much at all. Spain ran almost nothing through him on offense and he really looked out of his element.

I hope that sums up my statement. No need to tell me that stats don’t give the whole picture, but his body language vs. USA didn’t appear aggressive and driven to win.

In closing, lets just see what happens going forward… As I said, let’s just hope this is a slump or maybe he’s just not feeling well and he gets back into the player he was in the first 2 games.

by javajams on Aug 17, 2008 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thoughr Rudy looked ok

He didn’t dominate, but it’s difficult to dominate against this US team.

He plays within his game, and is a willing and able passer who isn’t shy about looking for his own shot when he gets the opportunity. From everything I’ve seen so far he’ll be a valuable contributor for the Blazers next year, which is what we wanted we when traded for his rights.

Also, people who think the US can’t be beaten are very poor students of history. They’ve always had the better players, but they aren’t always the better team.

by baduk on Aug 16, 2008 1:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

history has nothing to do with the present.

… this is not the team from the last Olympics… If history had anything to do with the Olympics this year, world records would NOT be dropping like flies.

by javajams on Aug 16, 2008 4:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

History doesn't have to do with the Olympics?

What does that mean? Which records are you refering to? Records are set every year. The swimming records are apparently getting beat because of the swimming pool China built for the games.

by MavetheGreat on Aug 17, 2008 12:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

With this team...

I’m saying that I don’t think you can look back at the last few teams we’ve sent to the games and compare them to the team that is there now… They don’t compare – even though some of the same guys that played those games are playing now. This team is just so much more focused and more familiar with the Euro game and their opponents. They believe in themselves and each other and they are understanding the team concept coach K has mapped out.

And yeah… my bad. I was referring to swimming… wasn’t aware the pool was the factor.

by javajams on Aug 17, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

history is no longer a relevent precursor to the future. lets face it we live in the now. otherwise why wouldnt people be paying more attention to their driving and the road in front of them then their at the same time cellular conversation? Same goes for at the sake of sounding sexist “people” who bafflingly push their baby carriages across the intersection with cell phone propped to ear by a shoulder. I guess it is all just about priorities. Speaking if which….

when is the season going to start already?

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by bow4meow on Aug 17, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One more thing: Calderon looked like a bust in this game

And we all know that he was a borderline All-Star last year, with a fantastic assists to turnover ration. Spain was just overpowered. I seriously think Rudy will be one of the best sixth men next year, and make the All-Rookie team.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 16, 2008 1:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Calderon has been horrible in the Olympics

i’d even say Ricky Rubio has outplayed him

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Aug 16, 2008 3:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I liked Ricky’s 2-4 assist to turnover ratio yesterday too.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Aug 17, 2008 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Defense

“…that’s what oden is gonna be for (to clean up the mess)”

Don’t you think that maybe it’s not a good thing to be depending on Oden and the other bigs to clean up the mess left by matador perimeter defense? The more you depend on Oden to “clean up the mess”, the more fouls he’s going to pick up and, last time I checked, you can’t defend, rebound or score while sitting on the bench.

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by TTRocks on Aug 16, 2008 3:06 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

+1

Oden will already be picking up enough fouls on his own guy without having to cover for our lackluster perimeter defenders. Certainly, in the early season this will be a problem. Oden will be rusty and his timing will be off. Opposing team’s offensive game plan will probably be about attacking the rim to draw fouls and put our guys on the bench.

The street lights is on.

by Magnum on Aug 16, 2008 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

That is what he (and Joel) are there for. Most teams are not loaded with lock down perimeter defenders. The good defensive schemes include directing the offensive player (when the wing gets overmatched) to the post defender. Oden will need to figure out how to not commit a ton of fouls in that scenario (Joel already know how) , regardless who the wing is. I believe that Oden will figure this out in short order

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by 92wastheyear on Aug 16, 2008 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That CANNOT be Greg's image

If he wants to come off like one of the most dominant big men in the NBA, Joel’s constant flopping cannot be a part of it. Should he still learn from Joel? Absolutely. Still, if we want to look like a tough team, we can’t have our biggest guy tumbling every time a PG tries to take it to the hole.

by robrun2 on Aug 16, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah... like people would believe

Shaq being knocked over.

Ain’t going to happen.

Besides… that’s a lot of muscle hitting the floor. Might get expensive if we need to pay for a new floor every game.

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by ratbastird on Aug 16, 2008 7:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a difference

between what appears to be matador defense and funneling a guy into a bad position. Funneling, which often looks like matador defense, is greatly enhanced when you have some shot blockers and good help defenders, Portland had ok help defense last year but lacked shot blocking due to the fact that the bigs were not good shot blockers or needed to stay out of foul trouble. The addition of Greg will allow the perimeter defenders to do a more effective job of funneling guys to bad spots.

Also, saying that you are funneling a guy is a great way to pass the buck to your teammates in a rec league game. I am often funneling guys when I have my hands on my knees gasping for wind.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Aug 17, 2008 12:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good point about funneling

One of the things that impresses me most about Rudy is his ability to always know the positions of all the players on the court, even if they are directly behind him. You see this ability used frequently on offense with Rudy throwing no-look passes to his teammates, but it is useful on defense as well because it allows Rudy to know where all of the help defenders are. It lets him know what direction he should try to funnel the opposing players, tells him when he can “safely” gamble for a steal, and it helps him be more effective at disrupting the passing lanes.

by trk on Aug 17, 2008 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

People's varying impressions of Rudy fascinate me

I have seen the games they played against Greece and the US and I have to say I am overjoyed with what I have seen from Rudy in those two games. I know he hasn’t dominated in either of those games but all I wanted to see was if those YouTube highlights were any indication of what he could bring or if he looked completely out of place next to NBA level competition.

All I can say is after watching him play is that he is going to make an impact in the NBA. It might not be a Roy-sized impact but he will be able to run around on the court and be productive. That is all I wanted to see. How productive he becomes is dependent on his commitment to working on defense and learning the NBA game. He has the skill and athletic ability to be successful. We will see soon enough how successful he will be.

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by tssbro on Aug 16, 2008 4:36 PM PDT reply actions   4 recs

Well said

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by BlueBooYay on Aug 16, 2008 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

If you liked what you saw those two games, watch the China rewind. He was on a different level that game and I think it shows what type of capabilities he really does have. He obviously isn’t there yet, but the potential for him to be a game changer every night certainly is…

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by myemic23 on Aug 16, 2008 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

China has weaker guards

Agreed that this was the game where he had the most impact so far, but the games against the strong guys from Greece and the top three guards from the US should be better NBA-readiness indicators.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 17, 2008 2:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

On that "charge"

he got on Kobe, it is called a blocking foul in the nba as he didnt give Kobe room to turn. Even if he had given him room to turn it would be a blocking foul in the nba as he is Rudy F and Kobe is Kobe.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Aug 17, 2008 12:17 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agree...

As much as I hate Kobe, that was a bad call and most certainly a block. But remember, international rules are a little different that those in the NBA. But it was still a blocking foul even by international rules.

by javajams on Aug 17, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe you guys are talking about a different game than the one i know....

if your feet are set, and some one runs into you its a charge………..kobe even patted him on the back cuz he knew he got the best of him

by BroyTheTruth on Aug 17, 2008 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

you dont have to have your feet set

you have to have beaten your opponent to the spot. In a situation where a player is catching a pass then you have to give the player room to turn around otherwise you could just stand up on a player receiving a pass and then flop when he turns.

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Aug 17, 2008 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

BTW, did somebody notice that he and the other guards managed to foul out D-Williams?

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 17, 2008 2:12 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What I want to know

Is if folks are starting to come around to the truth that team USA is actually pretty good? Even if each player could somehow play on team USA and their own NBA team, I bet team USA would defeat 24 of the 30 NBA teams. I want to say 26 but there’s always some crazy team like Atlanta that would steal a win.

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by tominhawaii on Aug 17, 2008 4:02 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Of course!

When you have All-Star players who actually play with teamwork…. it’s hard to beat.

But Team USA would get out-muscled some of the time because of their lack of size.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Aug 17, 2008 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As usual you're totally off

That’s ok though, cause I know you’re no math whiz. They’re probably only capable of beating 23 teams at most.

Seriously, though, it doesn’t seem like they’d be anything near a champ level team. I’m not even convinced that if they played more together, they would be. Teams must need roles.

+1 Tom, good point

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by hobobob on Aug 19, 2008 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kelly Dwyer has an interesting reaction: Spain tried to play too much like an NBA team

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie

Spain tries to kill you with pure, unadulterated talent. They are easily the sum of their very formidable parts. Problem is, USA’s sum total is about 37 points better.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 17, 2008 3:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Spain plays systems that doesn´t work well against teams with deep benches.

Spain plays fast with 12 players and frequently starts to get advantage from the third quarter with a full court preasure. You are a fool if you play so against USA.

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by amlmart1 on Aug 17, 2008 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to see Spain in the final against us

to see how well they can learn from their loss to us and adapt. The ideal storyline would be Rudy going-off for 40, 12 & 12 in a one-point loss to the U.S., then stating afterward in an interview that he suddenly figured-out how to play this game, hee hee.

I haven’t read anything about the reaction of the Spanish team to the loss. Seems like the photo controversy subsumed everything else. Amlmart, can you link us to an interview or analysis?

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Aug 17, 2008 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"First of all it is necessary to recognize the reality and the reality is that the American team has devastated us".

That´s the coach´s summary. He thinks that steals and three point percentage by US have been very important, “but the cause of our defeat is that they do a pressure to us as the one that we would like to do.” About the US team: “It is good to win forceful the hardest rivals. It is a good team attitude.”

PAU: “We knew that they had a good team with many capacities. They had a good pace and handled the game their own way. We feel a bit frustrated. It was a very hard game and we hope to be able to learn of it.” “The United States has played very well all the games and today they have stated clear that they go seriously.”

Navarro: “They were better in every aspect”. “A team like this, a winner, does not like to be dominated in this way. We have spoken that it´s not anything important, we are second and there is a long way. There is a difference, but not so big.”

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by amlmart1 on Aug 18, 2008 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coolio report from the Spanish Front

"He doesn't let grass grow under his feet when there are points to be had." - Dave

by BlueBooYay on Aug 18, 2008 7:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, amlmart!

I needed those comments for closure.

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Aug 18, 2008 9:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks , Animal.

I´m always happy contributing and you found a way.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Aug 18, 2008 10:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aren't they on the same side of the ladder?

I haven’t looked at it or anything, but most ladders would put them up against each other prior to the gold medal round. That’s the reason for the two pools (and time of course). Pool A one side, pool B the other.

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by hobobob on Aug 19, 2008 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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