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By now you have all heard about Brandon Roy’s surgery scheduled for Thursday.  The Blazers’ press release says an MRI identified a torn meniscus.  If you have read the thread below this one, covering the first few hours after the news was released, you’ll notice a tendency to take this news in the worst way possible.  That’s perfectly natural given what we all went through last year with Greg Oden.  But this is not the same as the Oden situation.  Let’s talk about what it is and what it isn’t.

Tearing the meniscus is a somewhat common basketball injury.  This type of surgery has happened to at least ten NBA players in the last few years.  A helpful source has updated our information on the matter, letting us know the frequency of the occurrence and also the types of procedures which are common.  Apparently they either fix or remove the affected area.  The removal is a quicker recovery, six to eight weeks being usual.  The fix takes longer to heal, somewhere in the area of three months.  Nine out of the ten players researched by our source had the quicker removal instead of the fix.

In our source’s own words, repeated from the previous post: 

There are two types of surgery like this.  There’s a minor, and a more serious repair.  Gilbert Arenas had a pretty significant tear, and was out three months.  But, there are cases where it’s much more minor.  Minnesota’s Craig Smith just had this same procedure on August 2nd, and they put his timetable at 6 weeks... The team should release a timeline after the surgery in the morning.  They probably just need to get in there and see how bad it is.  Out of habit, we’re all thinking the worst.  But, hopefully it won’t be that bad.

We’ve also been updated that the Arenas surgery involved extra elements which lengthened the recovery time.  In all likelihood this is more serious than what will happen with Brandon.

If you have not read it yet, Jason Quick has more information in this vein, including some specifics on Roy’s history.  (Read it here.) He had the same thing done on the other knee in college and was back playing in three weeks.

Having read all of that, let’s put this into perspective:

Brandon Roy is having surgery.  It’s not an uncommon procedure.  He’s going to take a while to recover, probably between six weeks and three months.  There is no reason to assume at this point that it will be any more serious than that.  We will know more as soon as the surgery has been completed, which should be today.

That’s it.  No more, no less.

Now let’s talk about the ramifications a little.

As our source reminded us, we are still 80-some days away from the start of the season.  At the short end of the recovery time Roy would be back well before the season started.  He’d probably be back before training camp even.  At the long end of the recovery scale Roy would miss the first couple weeks of the season.  Stretching it out to avoid making him take a long road trip first thing, he’d probably miss 11 games out of 82.  The latter would be disappointing, but hardly a fatal blow to our season.

Even if you go ahead and assume the worst, that Roy will miss those first couple weeks, there are still mitigating factors.

First and foremost, those first 2-3 weeks are brutal to the extreme.  Even with a healthy Roy in the lineup we probably wouldn’t expect to win more than 5 of those 11 tops.  That’s assuming wins against Minnesota twice, Miami, and maybe Golden State plus one other great team.  At least three of those games are still winnable even without Roy.  Simply put, there just aren’t that many games in question during that stretch.  If we’re going to amaze and beat an elite team on the road it’s not that much more of a stretch to think we could do that without Brandon.  You wouldn’t want to think that way for the whole season, but anything can happen in a two-week stretch.  On the other hand if we’re going to be logical about it we’d have to say our chances aren’t great of beating those elite teams with Roy healthy anyway.  In any case the net loss would probably be around 1-2 games…no fun, but not a deal-breaker.  If Brandon is going to be out, the first month of the season is absolutely the best time for that to happen.

Second, though you wouldn’t want to replace Brandon for an entire season, we do have a lineup that can compensate in the short term.  Brandon’s main gifts are leadership, poise, scoring, clutch play, penetration, and passing.

Leadership:  We will never replace Brandon’s locker-room presence but for the short term on the court Steve Blake knows enough about running this team to manage it.  He’s not anywhere near the same offensive threat, of course, but he knows how to get the ball up, how to get us in our sets, how to feed Oden and Aldridge, and where to direct the young guys.  The team will not be directionless with him at the helm.

Poise:  This will be the area hardest to replace.  Even on a team of youngsters Brandon stays calm and focused no matter the situation.  He seems to know when to let the game loose and when to take it over.  Frankly without him on the floor I’d expect the team to have a harder time dealing with pressure situations.

Scoring:  This looks like the key aspect to Brandon’s game but it will also probably be the easiest to replace.  Rudy Fernandez, Jerryd Bayless, and Martell Webster can all put the ball in the hole.  Every one of them would love to take Brandon’s shots and wound be comfortable being called upon as a primary scorer.  None of them individually would match Brandon’s output but between them you’d get close.  Don’t forget you can get more shots for Travis Outlaw  and Lamarcus Aldridge too.  If you look at the Blazers’ shot chart nobody is being overburdened with attempts as it is.  Everybody has more shots in them.

Clutch Play:  In his rookie year Brandon became our fourth-quarter go-to guy.  He still filled that role last season but he shared it with Travis Outlaw.  The way things look like now both Bayless and Fernandez could also shoulder some of that burden.  Granted they’re both rookies but neither one of them seems that intimidated by the spotlight.  If I needed one shot to win the game either one could be legitimate options.

Penetration:  Here again our rookies may come into play, particularly Bayless.  He’s a slicer and dicer and can put the ball on the floor like Brandon does.  He doesn’t have quite the direction-changing ability that makes Roy great but he does have the ability to absorb contact and still create.

Passing:  Rudy Fernandez could provide a temporary stopgap here as well.  He’s every bit as willing to pass as Brandon is, though we might have to put up with some turnovers.

Now let me be clear:  I am NOT saying everything will be fine with this assortment of people stepping in.  I am NOT suggesting that two rookies, two young and developing small forwards, and Steve Blake make a seamless substitute for Brandon Roy.  I am saying this team will probably not fall apart completely, nor be left with an irreparably gaping hole, should Brandon miss a few games.  The whole league will be adjusting in November.  We’ll just be adjusting more than most.  But our young guys will get some burn and a chance to show their stuff in an environment where nobody’s prepared for them.  This is not ideal, but again the timing is as good as it could be if we have to go through this.  Far better at the beginning of the year than in a playoff drive when the opponents are all focused and all of our young guys are well-scouted.

If you put all of that together you see that even though this is a bummer it’s not the demise of all the team’s hopes and dreams even for this season, let alone for seasons to come.  The effects will show, but they’ll show less prominently than they otherwise could have.  You can’t stop these things from happening.  Despite the Blazers seeming specially cursed the truth is injuries happen to every team…yes, to stars too.  But you can hope for the injuries to have as little effect as possible.  Unless something goes really haywire it appears that this, even at its worst, will be at the lower end of the potential effect scale.

--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)

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whaa happen?

by Toby on Aug 14, 2008 12:16 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One correction

You wrote, “Tearing the meniscus is a somewhat common basketball injury. It’s happened to at least ten NBA players in the last few years.” Actually, meniscus tears are FAR more common than that. Practically every NBA player will have at least one in the course of his career. I’d guess that over ten NBA players had meniscus tears last year alone.

If a routine meniscus tear is all Brandon is dealing with, everyone needs to take a deep breath; he’ll be fine. All knee injuries-and surgeries-aren’t created equal. (I know; I’ve had a few myself.)

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Aug 14, 2008 12:22 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yah...sorry

I should have said THIS TYPE OF SURGERY has happened. I will correct it.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 12:26 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heck

I’ve had 15 tears since I was 18 years old. Two surgeries later and I’m fine…given that I’m a 39-year old out-of-shape guy.

by DonkeyShins on Aug 14, 2008 11:03 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks, Dave.

I appreciate you putting in the late hours to keep us well informed. I will sleep much better tonight.

by sagebru5h on Aug 14, 2008 12:25 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Always

And sleep well.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 12:40 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks Dave

After retrieving my stomach from my hardwood floor, this was a welcome read. I’ll be holding my breath in the morning, but you helped me getting a chance to sleep.

That is until 5a.m. when U.S. takes on Greece!

~Zach

It puts the lotion on the skin...or else it gets the hose!

by courtsideerrandboy on Aug 14, 2008 12:50 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well said, Dave

For those not ready for optimism, read no futher!

Good things that can come from this:
1. This could give our rookies Bayless and Rudy some extra playing time against solid competition
2. There may be more opportunities to see how Martell and Travis have improved in the offseason.
3. I think our opponents will underestimate us if Roy is out of the lineup early in the season and we’ll be able to steal wins we may not have if they had prepared fully. Could be reminiscent of a certain win streak.
4. More Blazer coverage during an otherwise boring offseason
5. Ok, 4 isn’t that great
6. I needed another one after 5
7. This will make our enevitable triumph even sweeter in the end.

The street lights is on.

by Magnum on Aug 14, 2008 12:58 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pros and cons

More reps for Rudy at the 2 in training camp and the preseason

Less time for Brandon and Greg to work together and develop chemistry before the reg season

by two4larue on Aug 14, 2008 11:29 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

summer knee surgery - the sequel

heartbreaker, poor guy. I hope the recovery goes well for him.

The off-season had just been too perfect so far, but I guess its like they say: when things seem too good to be true, they usually are.

But who knows, maybe it can be a blessing in disguise like Magnum mentioned. Last year, with oden out, there was space for others to grow, maybe this can do the same for the young guns in the first month or so here.

Who starts on opening night now?

by danevan on Aug 14, 2008 1:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't wear my lucky headband when walking the dog ONCE

And look what happens. This one is on me, guys.

Even at its “worst” it should be fine. No micro no micro no micro no micro STOP! Huzzah, no micro!

Obviously with our recent history it sucks… but the strange thing is, even with Bowie, Oden’s micro, I don’t feel snake bitten. Maybe it’s because Walton was before my time and so was the Bowie debacle mostly, but I don’t recall the Clyde teams or the Sheed/Pippen teams ever really having much injury concerns.

I get the feeling many of us feel a “WHY ALWAYS US” type feeling, and I don’t get it. That negative energy will only bring more negativity, man. We gotta stay positive, remember how lucky we are, and keep those lucky juices flowing. We’ll be totally fine.

This team is built to withstand injuries. Injuries happen to every team; hell, to every single player unless you’re AC Green (and we all know how he avoided injuries).

Just like the tough start to the season is no biggie, so is this. It SUCKS more than a tough start to the schedule because I always think Roy gives us a chance to beat anyone, but this (stuff) happens. We gotta hope for the best and not feel like victims over it.

I agree with Dave of course, even about getting preventative scopes at the BEGINNING of each offseason. I mean, Sheezus! Open that sucker up and make sure it’s ok with time to rest. Hell, give the whole damn team micro in both knees each April, since Oden’s ‘hurt’ knee is healing up stronger than the other. Get everything out of the way.

Like with the Oden injury, this isn’t coming when we’re going for a title. Coupled with that it sucks even more, but DEFINITELY not anywhere close to the end of the world, or even the season. Our team, our core, is in place for pretty much the next DECADE and beyond. No other team in the league has that. These stutter stops in our start are troublesome, but all part of the game.

Roy is a fighter. He’s tough. He’ll pull through anything this life can throw at him. As fans, so can we.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 1:37 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Genius

So Morty….what your saying is that if all our players get jheri curls like AC had, we will be golden? I will whole heartidly pay $1 extra per game ticket to pay for boxloads of soul glow to be available to all players. I’m really perplexed in trying to decide which Blazer with a jheri curl would be my favorite. I clearly think that Rudy would be my least favorite, becuase his hair is already slightly jheri curlesque.

uh wait…or were you talking about that other thing that AC was well known for?

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Aug 14, 2008 3:53 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I knew it was all your fault.

I think a 10 minute ban is in order.

"Don't draw fire; it irritates the people around you." - Your Buddies

by timg56 on Aug 14, 2008 7:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True test of character

Roy better be apologizing profusely when he wakes up from surgery. That’s what all the greats do. ( <—-jumping the gun a smidge)

by shralpster on Aug 14, 2008 1:43 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

WHY BLAZER GOD WHY?!

Man I love tongue tacos - Mortimer
Only thing better is Trout on a stick roasted over an open fire - annthefan
I have a pic like that of my dog - tominhawaii

by Outlaw is Rejector on Aug 14, 2008 2:07 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I just can't wait

For tomorrow [today?] to be over and hopefully find out that Roy’s surgery was successful and it was a minor meniscus tear.

by damir on Aug 14, 2008 2:08 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Me three

I figured someone will already have said “me too” by the time I get done writing this, so I’ll call “me three” first.

I said this in the junk drawer, but I like that the Blazers announced it late so a lot (maybe most?) fans wouldn’t see it and would only find out something in the morning, AFTER the surgery proved everything was minor. A full DAY and this night to worry would be too much.

Paul Allen just needs to stop being cheap and replace all of our player’s knees with golden robot knees. Hell, do it right now and have everyone hurt for this whole season. Call up the most mediocre-good D-leaguers, Miami style, and wait for the lottery pick and get excited over video reports of our players feeling like their golden robot knees are stronger than their pathetic human knees.

Science has shown that we don’t even need knees anymore. It’s like the appendix, or Luxemburg. Frankly, I’ll think we’re better off if knees were banned altogether. Hitler had knees, maybe even Stalin. Coincidence?

Don’t be so naive.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 2:20 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually

It’s been theorized that we do need the appendix after all, as it stores “good” bacteria that is used to fight “bad” bacteria in case you are sick.

by damir on Aug 14, 2008 2:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Don't you dare undermine me in front of the kids

Plus I don’t have my appendix :-(

No wonder I can’t get rid of this stupid cough.

Well, we don’t need knees at least, right? Knees are pretty ugly anyways, all bendy and dumb.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 2:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If ya'll don't stop arguing.....

I will pull this Blog over right now!

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Aug 14, 2008 3:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It sound really bizarre

But I have a fear of knees. Don’t know where it came from, but they make me cringe. Too much depends on them.

If Mike Rice calls Oden "Odom" this season I might have to seriously hurt him

by twiggs on Aug 14, 2008 6:24 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The silver lining to this cloud

…is that it’s gotten Mortimer on a roll!

"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla

by hurryup09 on Aug 14, 2008 9:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When the injuries pop up like this you really get to see how KP layered this team to survive

through the tuff times. I was reading about how one time Kevin McHale got hurt and so Bill Walton came out early for warm ups. Larry Bird walked over to Walton and said, “Don’t think you’re going to be getting McHale’s shots tonight, those shots are mine.” I can just see Webster or Aldridge saying that to Bayless or Rudy. As usual you have some great points Dave. It’s great that the first couple of weeks we play tough teams that we could just as easily win without Roy. Either way Greg’s and Roy’s injuries can be looked at as blessings in disguise.

by BRoyInThe4th on Aug 14, 2008 2:18 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm naive

but I don’t see Martell having the same pull as Larry.

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by iDea on Aug 14, 2008 7:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

I am new to this site, a Nuggets fan at heart, but I am a huge fan of the Blazers as well. The intensity of loyalty that Blazers fans have is absolutely amazing. You guys rock! Wishing you could trade your good knee for Roy’s bad one? Freaking out, losing sleep over this? Constantly blogging about every player on the Blazers; Fernandez, Oden’s workouts, Bayless’s summer league play, and now Roy’s knee injury. I only wish Nuggets fans were this passionate about our team. Maybe then Mark Warkentein (who screwed you guys before with the “Jailblazers”) and Stan Kroenke would be held accountable for their decisions. I applaud you all. I also look forward to the upcoming season for the Blazers. Great things about to happen!

by jbock37 on Aug 14, 2008 2:26 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thanks for your kind words

The Nuggets/Blazers matchups last season were all great games, and I look forward to our future battles! It’ll be a lot of fun.

Welcome to Blazers Edge and I hope we see you around more!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 2:34 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Welcome to you.

I am a relative newcomer to this site too. You have good taste in teams with the Nuggets. Made even better with your love of the Trail Blazers. I am amazed at the passion here for the Blazers too. They love the Blazers, and you’ll learn about the L@ker hatred ( if you don’t know already ). I am excited. First season as a Blazer fan. We are knocking on the door. GO BLAZERS! Welcome to you.

by CanadianBlazerfan on Aug 22, 2008 8:21 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Quick, everybody!

We need to make a trade to free up some playing time for Rudy, or Martell, or Travis, or Bayless, or somebody.

We MUST do a 2-1 or 3-1 trade!

We’ve got TOO MANY talented players. Too much depth is bad, bad I tell you. Bad, bad.

Oh, how I wish KP had listened to all of you and traded Martell and Travis and Pryz. We have too much talent. We need more bad players who won’t mind sitting on the bench.

What would we want a really deep squad for, anyway? I can’t think of any benefits in having the deepest team in the league. Can anyone?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Aug 14, 2008 3:14 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

You can hate me, but this was my stream of consciousness when I read the news

(Oh, and I heard it here first, good job guys. Honestly. I guess nobody has jumped yet)

Brandon is hurt? Man, this is ugly, really bad. Goodbye playoffs. That bone spur in his foot? No! Meniscus? Phew, that’s the best part of the knee to injure, way better than a ligament. Hey, that’s good for Rudy. He will get tons of playing time now (mental image of Rudy hitting a triple – triple – triple, then stealing the ball and running straight down the open floor). And Bayless too (yeah, Bayless was an afterthought, I admit it). This isn’t so bad when they have to prove themselves immediately. Instant R.O.Y. candidates. And we still have Greg. Everybody will see what our rookies can do. Let’s check out some more news.

Oh, and if the damage is found out to be the worse variant and Brandon is out for the longer recovery time, just an idea to kill two flies with one stone: Why not check up this “bone spur in the foot” thing at the same time? I felt like he would miss a few weeks to months with that anyway in the next two years, and was slightly disappointed that he didn’t seem to do something about it in the off-season. Then we are done with it, once and for all, and Roy will play happily ever after.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 14, 2008 3:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The foot

The reason they have shied away from any possible surgery with Roy’s foot is because any surgery with the foot is extremely risky. If a b-baller hurts his feet, his career could be over—literally.

They’re going to have to cut through muscle, maybe bone, shave down the talus bone, and it’s a lot of ‘to do’ and might not even fix it and very well could add a lot MORE problems.

For now, the insert has seemed to be working. I bet Roy can play through any pain he has had. It doesn’t seem to have limited him.

“Fixing” the heal could ruin his foot.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 4:27 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Was just an idea because that inflammation already cost him 20 games in his first NBA season

And it’s also on the left. But of course if there is more risk than reward, they shouldn’t do it and hope for the best.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 14, 2008 4:30 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well it was a horrible idea, ok?

So drop it.

Geez.

No, I’m just repeating what the Blazers said last off-season and when Roy first went down with the injury. I ain’t no expert.

I do favor what they are doing though, as cutting into that foot muscle IS risky. I ain’t no expert but I know ‘dat much. If his heel hurts him now, I bet he’d take 10X that amount of pain over losing the ability to really plant and change direction with a bum foot.

Roy has said in recent times that his heel felt fine, real minimal pain. I can’t imagine him lying to me, not after all we’ve been through. It seems like the insert is working, and it may be a thing that just sorta follows him and is sorta kinda ouchie every once in a while.

It’s suspicious, however, how eager you are to just cut Roy up all willy nilly… makes a man named Mortimer wonder how much of a Blazer fan ya really are, ya know? Hmmmm… interesting.

I say we cancel the surgery, give Roy an Advil and tell him to sack up.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 4:46 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's the kind of guy I am - go big or go home :-)

When I had trouble with a mandibular third molar a.k.a. wisdom tooth I said to the doctor “let’s get all four of these little buggers out – now”. Bad decision in the short run, great in the long run. Same with some other surgeries and other things in life. Do it now, do it right, set it and forget it.

Of course I want Brandon to be on top asap (also after watching Rudy play ho-hum yesterday), but I wouldn’t mind if they would say he misses the first ten games and then everything in his knee is pristine over doing some quick fix that doesn’t hold for his career.

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 14, 2008 4:58 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I just think I love Roy quite a bit more than you, after this. That’s all. I win, but is that important? Yes.

If it would permanently fix it I’d much rather get it over with and deal with the short term prolems. We aren’t LIKELY to win the title this year unless Oden becomes GREG ODEN right off the bat (or at least in time for the playoffs). Unfortunately the docs and front office don’t even think it would permanently fix it, as the talus could keep growing after shaving down and who knows if his muscles heal.

It’s like a guy who gets hair plugs and his hair looks so amazing but he isn’t going to stop balding and then he’s got plugs on the front of his head just hanging out for all of the world to see and the rest of his dome is bald. EXACTLY LIKE THAT.

I never got my wisdom teeth pulled, and I feel like them growing in even straightened out my teeth. I had a gap in my front teeth growing up and we couldn’t afford braces (we was poor as poor could be) and when my wizzy-dom teeth grew in it pushed my teeth together and now I am the handsomest man in LA. People stop me on the street and marvel at my teeth, and I just wink and smile—I’ll never tell my secret!

One time when the wisdom teeth were growing in one started really hurting and I couldn’t figure out why… it was beyond the normal hurt. After a few WEEKS of it I dug in with a toothpick, digging into the loose skin around the newly made hole created by the tooth growing in. I found a gross SESAME SEED.

As soon as I pulled it out, instant relief. It felt so good.

It’s like when you get kicked in the nuts and the pain finally goes away.

It was such a pleasurable feeling I’ve spent the last 10 years trying to get sesame seeds stuck in various places around my mouth and body, but no such luck… I’m too tight for it to work.

And because of this I believe Roy will be just fine… just fine.

(nods meaningfully).

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 5:08 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WOW

I saw a guy like that in Minneapolis last weekend. Had hair everywhere but on top. All the way around the forehead, the hair grew.

Sort of freaked me out. I tried getting a picture, but no luck.

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by iDea on Aug 14, 2008 7:10 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I feel like Fatty

I think I’m the only person who thinks this isn’t a big deal.

"I grab every opportunity to tweak Timbo." - annthefan

by tominhawaii on Aug 14, 2008 4:42 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm gonna say that later today

After everything is okay I’ll confidently say I always knew it was going to be ok.

Watch me if you don’t believe I’m telling the truth! After we drafted Bayless I knew all along we were gonna do that too. I’m good at confirming my predictions after the time for predicting things has passed and the event has already occurred. I might even be the best in the world at it.

41-41 was exactly what I predicted, I told all my friends.

I remember meeting Roy back when he worked on a loading dock in Seattle, and I was all “Hmm, he’d be a good fit for the Blazers”. I totally called that one. Just a hunch, a golden gut if you will.

I don’t like to ruin surprises so I’ll tell you what I predicted for this thang later today.

PippenAintEasy and Topher223 already got banned for their sins, so Roy will be ok.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 4:50 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not the only one.

Of course it’s not a big deal so long as Roy comes back the same or better.

"Don't draw fire; it irritates the people around you." - Your Buddies

by timg56 on Aug 14, 2008 8:00 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ahhhh!

Just got in to work and read about surgery …. Ah!
My heart immediately sunk. Oh woe and despair …

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by Y5k on Aug 14, 2008 5:59 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My concern is with Roy's general durability...

this particular injury doesn’t seem to be a big deal but when one considers that Roy has had durability problems in the past I begin to worry a little more. When was the last time he played a full season??? Should we automatically lock him in for 65-70 games a year because minor injuries will always pop up? If so, can the other guards compensate?

I guess the key here is for the coaching staff to remember that Roy has had trouble coping with the long season. There were a few times last year when Roy was playing late game scenarios with double digit deficits after the team had been eliminated from the playoffs. This year Nate has got to get him out of the game sooner. Also, with the depth at both guard positions he has got to be limited to 36 minutes a night until the playoffs.

Further, when/if he makes the ASG, I would really like Roy to limit himself to something like 15 minutes if playing more means he’s going to be on the shelf for 2 weeks afterwards. And I never want to see him on the olympic team. Overcautious? Probably. But if it means 1 extra season of BRoy and one more title shot it’s worth it.

by erastus25 on Aug 14, 2008 6:02 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

...

“First and foremost, those first 2-3 weeks are brutal to the extreme”
But I went through the schedule and counted all those games as Wins for us. Now I’ll have to re-calculate a little. I bet we win them all still, but by less than the 55-point spread I imagined.
Oh Woe and Despair!

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by Y5k on Aug 14, 2008 6:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

But what about Roy's defense?

He’s out shut-down dude. He’s the General holding the line. He inspires players like Travis to really put the clamp down (now and then).
Oh woe and despair … heartbreak and tribulation …
Travesty of all that is holy … such affliction!

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by Y5k on Aug 14, 2008 6:23 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No biggie

I say 6 week recovery TOPS. Maybe I am being too optimistic (and in a few hours hopefully we will know for sure). However, I really think that it will be a minor tear, and a quick healing time. God certainly wouldn’t do this to us two years in a row right? And I know we have a deep roster to go to if he can’t come back til a few weeks in to the season. However, I really wanted us to kick L*ker a** opening night and who better to run the show then Broy? But I digress.

If Mike Rice calls Oden "Odom" this season I might have to seriously hurt him

by twiggs on Aug 14, 2008 6:32 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Injury plague

I fear the Blazers becoming like the Phoenix Suns of the late 80’s/early 90’s; probably the best team in the league if everyone is healthy- problem was they never were.

by tiesque on Aug 14, 2008 7:10 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Boo

If Mike Rice calls Oden "Odom" this season I might have to seriously hurt him

by twiggs on Aug 14, 2008 7:17 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Booooooo

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by Y5k on Aug 14, 2008 7:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

all we have to fear is fear itself

"Turns out I'm kind of a jerk."
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by ptwnblzr on Aug 14, 2008 9:47 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Blasphemy Alert

But this might be a blessing in disguise? I find it unlikely that Roy will miss even a single regular-season game. If he does, however, then this could be a good thing. As Dave alluded to, the opening stretch of the season is more or less locked in give or take a couple surprise wins/losses. If Roy misses say . . . 5-10 games, it will give other players (Rudy, Webster, Bayless) a chance to get more minutes and more looks. For the rookies this means quicker adjustment to the NBA (hopefully), and for Martell it could be a confidence booster to start the season off, provided he performs well.

I’m just trying to look on the bright side of the worst-case scenario. The real bright side is that in all likelihood he will start our season opener.

Things happen for a reason they say, but I say there's a reason things happen.

by sixth on Aug 14, 2008 7:39 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You think KP had this planned all along? (wimper, sniffle, sniffle ...)

Damn he’s devious. Give the new guys a huge challenge, then fly The Natural in to save the day … Hollywood can’t write crap this good.
OK, OK, if KP is writing the script, I’ll relax a little … (wimper, sniffle, wimper)

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by Y5k on Aug 14, 2008 7:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BLASPHEMIC!!!

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 14, 2008 9:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm with guys like sixth, tom , etc.

So long as Brandon comes back healthy, no matter the timeline – this is not a disaster.

"Don't draw fire; it irritates the people around you." - Your Buddies

by timg56 on Aug 14, 2008 8:04 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Dave

Didn’t you do a simlar post last year when Greg went in for knee surgery? Lets hope for the best, but expect the worst, B.Roy out for the season. Anyone got an idea how this team will cope with that?

by usmcr3049 on Aug 14, 2008 8:11 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Actually as I recall

I was a lot more sick to my stomach about Greg’s situation than this. However the general public reaction to Oden’s situation was more subdued than this until it was reported he was out for the season. Because of that I think the reaction to Roy’s news has been worse.

In other words last year everyone was expecting “no big deal” and got steamrolled. This year everybody’s expecting to get steamrolled and it’s probably going to be “no big deal”.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 8:28 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Note the

subtle title on that post too.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 8:45 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you always had a way with words.

by usmcr3049 on Aug 14, 2008 8:49 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here's my fav quote of my reaction:

“As long as he doesn’t need microfracture, I’ll be okay. I’d rather he plays hurt for 15 years than go through that micro crap. Luckily, Oden consults me for all career advice so I’ll let him know my thoughts.”

I was of the opinion that everyone sucks after micro at least a little more than they sucked before so I was NO MICRO NO MICRO. Now that it looks like he’s gonna be A-okay and didn’t lose nuthin’, I think I might change my mind.

I sure was/am scared of that micro though. Roy isn’t allowed to get it.

I also said some of the same karma/bad thoughts stuff. I hate when I write about a similar thing the same even after a huge gap, with the same wording and same “jokes”. Shows that I’m always ripping myself off.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 10:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I almost made that my sig when I saw it

"If you have testies, you should not be wearing panties."
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by ptwnblzr on Aug 14, 2008 10:44 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

WWLBD?

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by tominhawaii on Aug 14, 2008 1:20 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think your right Dave

Past experience has led us fans to think the worst. Ofcourse me being a Cubs fan, I already have alot of that in me. :)

by usmcr3049 on Aug 14, 2008 8:32 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Good News!

Surgery done, notthing found significant. BRoy will be back in a few weeks.

Woo Hoo!

The Oden Era, Day 414

by Heymoe on Aug 14, 2008 8:33 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LINK?

Don’t just throw stuff on the wall to see if it sticks. No news is out yet as far as I can see on the web.

by usmcr3049 on Aug 14, 2008 8:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What is your source??

for the news??

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by 92wastheyear on Aug 14, 2008 8:40 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ditto ...

???
Tell me … I’m dying!

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by Y5k on Aug 14, 2008 8:43 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks for keeping on this.

I almost blew a gasket.

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by Y5k on Aug 14, 2008 8:56 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's why we kept on it

I missed a whole night of the Olympics and a whole lot of sleep to keep Portland from sticking a sword in its collective stomach.

—Dave

by Dave on Aug 14, 2008 8:57 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dito Dave

your sacrifice will not go unnoticed.

"If you have testies, you should not be wearing panties."
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by ptwnblzr on Aug 14, 2008 10:14 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, good job Dave

As soon as I heard the word “meniscus,” I relaxed about 90%. I’m now reading that this is actually Roy’s THIRD meniscus surgery (he had one done on this same knee in high school). As I said above (WAY above), meniscus surgeries and repairs are routine business for basketball players.

It’s the articular cartilage injuries that are so problematic. The only repair for that injury currently available, apparently, is this hairbrained “microfracture” procedure. That was developed by a famous—and not universally revered—orthopedist named Richard Steadman. Best case, it’s a stop-gap procedure. Yep, that’s right: Greg Oden will almost certainly have more problems with that knee of his. But hopefully that’ll be 5 to 10 years down the line, and they’ll have better fixes available by then.

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by hurryup09 on Aug 14, 2008 1:48 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

dude, siriously?

great job on the roy reporting, bad job on the Oden front. so i just have to say just no talk, i mean really. why!?!

first off, if you are qualified to make that assertion, DON"T!! wrong time and place. really, it is. its like telling stories about how sarah used to be a stripper at her wedding reception, with strangers. Bad form. this is a “calm down, everythings going to be ok” thread, not a what else could go wrong thread. think about it.

secondly, your probably not qualified. so really whats your problem? usually, I make effort to play nicee, nicee, hear, but that pisses me off. I hope you klicked on the time stamp and saved the quote address to your favorites, so you can say how you told us so 5 to 10 years down the road. really? i mean, bringing that kind of …. whatever, stuff up,at a time like this is just questionable to say the verry, verry, verry least. tact man, its free

ps I allready know that I kant spell, and dont care.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 14, 2008 6:08 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sorry

maybee its just me and im being a dill hole, I just dont want to face the idea of oden without. I still dont think you should have posted about it, but I also dont think i should have been a self ritchous prick.

think ill go to the store and buy a pack of smokes.

peace dude.

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 14, 2008 6:11 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

this is linked on true hoop

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 14, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My first thought reading the title was about a Doors song...

“<a href=”http://www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/the_doors/the_end.html" target="new">This is the end" I´m optimistic by nature and by rational, I think it brings good luck and at least doesn´t hurt.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Aug 15, 2008 4:34 AM PDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Funny, I was reminded of this song

R.E.M. – It`s The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqroT1FZ5Y

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 15, 2008 9:35 AM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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