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How High Is LaMarcus Aldridge's Ceiling? (poll included)

That’s something I’ve been wondering since the day we traded for his draft rights. One of my biggest concerns for him coming out of college was his physical strength, and I thought that his overall lack of muscle mass might get in the way of him being a top-flight power forward. There was never a doubt that the skills were there, but power forward is a very physical position, and I was worried he wouldn’t hold up well.

 

Obviously, he has been able to improve his strength since we acquired him on Draft Night 2006. One question I’ve been asking myself is, “How good CAN LaMarcus truly be”? For that, I’ve tried to find power forwards with similar body structure and skills sets, and for this particular piece, I’ve found three current NBA players who Aldridge may compare to, and they are Chris Bosh, Rasheed Wallace and Jermaine O’Neal. For these comparisons, I’m using the players stats from seasons when they were 21 and 22 (which was how old Aldridge was in his first two seasons) to see how they stack up.

 

At 21 Years Old

Aldridge: 63 games, 22.1 minutes, 9.0 points, 5.0 rebounds, 0.4 assists, 1.2 blocks, 50.3% FG

O’Neal (his last season in Portland): 70 games, 12.3 minutes, 3.9 points, 3.3 rebounds, 0.3 assists, 0.8 blocks, 48.6 FG%

Wallace(his rookie year w/Bullets): 65 games, 27.5 minutes, 10.1 points, 4.7 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 0.8 blocks, 48.7 FG%

Bosh (his third year in the NBA): 70 games, 39.3 minutes, 22.5 points, 9.2 rebounds, 2.6 assists, 1.1 blocks, 50.5 FG%

 

Player             1st        2nd       3rd        4th       Total Points

Aldridge           1          2         2         1                33

O’Neal             1*       0         2**       5                23

Wallace            0         3         4         0                33

Bosh                6         1         0         0                67

 

[First place = 10, second = 7, third = 4, fourth = 1]

 

(*-tied with Chris Bosh so there will be two first places awarded for games and no second place)

(** - tied with Rasheed Wallace for third, so there is no 4th place for blocks)

 

Taking a look at the numbers, Bosh is by far the best out of the four at that age. However he came to a team that was built around him. Jermaine was on our Western Conference Finals teams, which were stacked at the ‘4’ and ‘5’ with the likes of Sabonis, Brian Grant and Rasheed Wallace, and Wallace was largely Chris Webbers back-up in Washington. While the Blazers 2006-2007 season wasn’t necessarily spectacular, he was stuck behind Zach Randolph at PF (a 20-10 guy, no matter what people think about him) and Joel at center, so playing time was limited, even though we weren’t a great team.

 

Now let’s take a look at their respective stats the next year…

 

At 22 Years Old

Aldridge (first year starting): 76 games, 34.9 minutes, 17.8 points, 7.6 rebounds, 1.6 assists, 1.2 blocks, 48.3 FG%

O’Neal (first year with Pacers): 81 games, 32.6 minutes, 12.9 points, 9.8 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 2.8 blocks, 46.5 FG%

Wallace (first year in Portland): 62 games, 30.5 minutes, 15.1 points, 6.8 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.0 blocks, 55.8 FG%

Bosh: 69 games, 38.5 minutes, 22.6 points, 10.7 rebounds, 2.5 assists, 1.3 blocks, 49.6 FG%

 

 

Player             1st        2nd       3rd        4th       Total Points

Aldridge           0         4         3         0                40

O’Neal             2         1         1*       2                33

Wallace            1         0         2*       4                22

Bosh                4         2         1         0                58

 

[First place = 10, second = 7, third = 4, fourth = 1]

 

(*tie for 3rd in assists, so no 4th place was awarded for assists)

 

As with the first set of stats, the numbers again reveal that Chris Bosh is the premier player out of those four, with him taking home first place in 4 of the 7 categories at 22 years old. Aldridge and O’Neal would be in a close race for second, with Rasheed Wallace pulling up the rear.


Overall, between the two years of comparison Bosh was the clear winner with 125 points, with Aldridge claiming second at a solid 73 points, with Jermaine O’Neal narrowly edging Rasheed Wallace, with 56 compared to Sheed’s 55.

 

Looking at the numbers and breakdown, I firmly believe there’s no reason LaMarcus shouldn’t be able to become at least the player Jermaine and Rasheed were, though it might not be reflected in the numbers playing alongside a beast like Oden. His jump shot is at least close to on par with both Rasheed and Bosh’s, he was every bit efficient as any of the other power forwards in this comparison, and those numbers will only improve with a complementary big man like Oden next season.

 

It’s hard to not get excited about next year looking at all the talent Kevin Pritchard has assembled. After a 41-41 season, with last years number one overall pick Greg Oden well on his way back from microfracture, the addition of Jerryd Bayless and Rudy Fernandez, and the growth of our other young players, this team is on the verge of something truly special. It’s an exciting time to be a Blazers fan!

Poll
Just how good can LaMarcus be?
Perrenial All-Star and Future Hall of Famer (like KG or Bosh)
90 votes
Occasional All-Star (Rasheed Wallace or Jermaine O'Neal)
361 votes
10 year starter
23 votes
No better than an average PF
2 votes

476 votes | Poll has closed

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I think his career

Will be similar to Jermaine’s.. hopefully without the injuries.
However he will have the benefit of playing with Oden who will allow him to drift outside a bit more. which reflects the similarity to Wallace

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by GreatOden'sRaven on Aug 13, 2008 3:25 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He really needs to develop

his off-handed 3-point shooting.

by joelor on Aug 13, 2008 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

I didn’t see him hit a single half-court shot this year either, time to hit the gym

by danevan on Aug 13, 2008 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys kill me!

We don’t need our PF shooting three’s

Blazers NBA champs 2010-2011!

by The Earl of Dunk on Aug 15, 2008 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not just THREES

I’m talking left-handed, turnaround fadeaway 3s.

by joelor on Aug 15, 2008 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bosh is not a future hall of famer

Future hall of famer should be a separate choice in the poll, represented by Tim Duncan.

Bosh does fall in the perennial all star category though.

I think LA is headed for ‘Sheed like territory, maybe a little better due to lack of craziness and better work ethic.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Aug 13, 2008 3:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep, yep...

and yep.

Touche, senor snake.

Let your fingers do the BEdging.

by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on Aug 13, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are rumors Bosh considers going to Orlando in 2010

That would be a sick team for the east. Though for Bosh I would agree multiple all star yes, HOF no.

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by Norsktroll on Aug 13, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Florida teams will always get attention in the FA market becuase there is no state income tax

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by Ozzie Montana on Aug 13, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention Orlando sure as hell beats Toronto weather-wise (although I'd still live in Toronto)

"I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Gonna kick some ass in the USA. Gonna climb a mountain, gonna sew a flag, gonna fly on an eagle. I’m gonna kick some butt, gonna drive a big truck. I’m gonna rule this world. I’m gonna kick some ass. I’m gonna rise up, gonna kick a little ass. Rock, flag, and eagle!"

by Ozzie Montana on Aug 13, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i respectfully disagree

his career stats are just under 20 points, 9+ rebounds and 2+ assists per game, shooting a shade under 50 percent. and the dude is only 24!

by lefty6283 on Aug 13, 2008 4:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You just like him because he's a lefty. :-)

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by hurryup09 on Aug 13, 2008 5:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

20 and 9

does not get you to the hall of fame.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Aug 13, 2008 6:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

for reference,

John Hollinger’s numbers suggest the best comparison for Chris Bosh at his age is Shareef Abdur Rahim. In other words, to even sniff the HOF, he has to put up way more dominant numbers or win a bunch of titles. Neither of which I see happening.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Aug 13, 2008 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some hall of fame PFs and their career numbers

Kevin McHale – 17.9 points, 7.9 rebounds, 1.7 blocks per game
Bob McAdoo – 22.1 points, 9.4 rebounds, 1.5 blocks per game
Vern Mikkelsen – 14.4 points, 9.4 rebounds, 2.2 assists

Granted some of the reason they’re in the game is team success, but its hard to say Aldridge doesn’t have a chance at some championships if we can keep this team together?

by lefty6283 on Aug 13, 2008 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Very well played...

it is hard to argue with the fact that he is already getting Kevin McHale level numbers and this team is just getting started.

I truly believe that he CAN be a perennial All-Star and HOFer. That doesn’t mean that I have a fully functional crystal ball. I believe he can do it. Will he? Hey, we are all watching at the same speed. Only time will tell.

LMA>LA!

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Aug 13, 2008 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin McHale has rings for each finger!

Bosh is not very likely to get even one.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Aug 14, 2008 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

(OK - three)

McHale had a 26 point season and 6 consecutive of 21 or better. But his rings and playing alongside Larry Legend made a difference.

And Bob McAdoo is not an HOF player in my memory. Coach Ramsey came to Portland from coaching Buffalo and McAdoo and described the original black hole meaning the ball never ever was passed and Ramsey was relieved to be out of there.

This table by player shows the number of times a player was selected for All-NBA teams and gives an interesting picture for this discussion.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Aug 14, 2008 7:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you telling me that it is not possible for LMA to accomplish the same?

Many of us here have talked about multiple Championships and I think a 25+ point average season is within the realm of possibility. I am not saying it is likely, but it is possible.

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Aug 14, 2008 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Bosh is no hall of famer, and LMA should be at least as good as ‘sheed (very similar talent; far superior head). I disagree with the poster who says LMA will have a career like O’Neal’s. Jermaine is a very awkward athlete, in my opinion. The fact is, he travels nearly every time he touches the ball. LMA is far smoother and more gifted, with a continually expanding game. Last season he began to develop a post-up game, and he’s very capable of developing 3-point range ala ‘sheed. (With Oden in the low post, that shooting range will be a definite asset.)

I was one of the minority of folks who voted for the #1 poll option. The question was “How good CAN LaMarcus be?”—not how good is he LIKELY to be. One’s “ceiling” represents the ultimate development of one’s talent if everything falls into place. I feel it’s certainly too soon to say LMA can’t achieve the lofty goals of perennial all-star and hall of famer. I think he certainly has a lot of the necessary ingredients to become great. Already, after two seasons, he’s not chopped liver.

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by hurryup09 on Aug 13, 2008 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly...
The question was "How good CAN LaMarcus be?"—not how good is he LIKELY to be.

rec’ed

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Aug 13, 2008 9:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But "can" includes the likelyhood of getting touches on a very deep team

All of Portland’s players must know that this team-first culture will hinder their individual stats and awards.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Aug 14, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sheed minus crazy

equals best powerforward in the league.

Sheed is amazingly underrated because he’s a team player and has the crazy.

just saying.

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by ratbastird on Aug 14, 2008 7:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't the crazy take awar from the rating?

I think he’s over-rated because he’s so volatile. He’s got skill, but he can tear your team apart.

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by hobobob on Aug 14, 2008 1:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In response to everyone's comments on career stats....

I think you also have to factor in his teams’ successes when considering a hall of famer.

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by CaptainSexyJacob on Aug 14, 2008 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Precisely

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Aug 14, 2008 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say all-star.

As much as the homer in me wants to say HoF, at this point I can’t. Ask this question again in two seasons and see where Aldridge is at and that may change. He still has to reach all-star level. Once he does that if he’s still improving then we can start the HoF talk.

by Bskey on Aug 13, 2008 4:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

'nother good post.

Rec’d

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by prezofdeath on Aug 13, 2008 4:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Bias Comparison

If you’re only going to compare LMA’s stats to future all stars, you’ll only get a future all star. His stats also eerily resemble Lamar Odom, Antonio McDyess, and Juwon Howard at the same age. Zach Randolph busted out and averaged 20/10 at age 22.

LMA may or may not become an all star. Using his current stats to project his trajectory is wishful thinking.

BINGO, BANGO, BONGO

by blzrfan on Aug 13, 2008 5:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

lets not forget...

Lamar Odom is a VERY good combo forward who for his career has averaged 15.6 points, 8.9 rebounds and 4.4 assists per game. Should Aldridge be even close on the rebounds or assists, we’re an even better team than we are now.
Before McDyess’ injuries really caught up to him, he was an all-star, a gold medal winning olympian (2000), and from the start of the 98-99 season through the end of the 00-01 season averaged 20.2 points, 10.3 rebounds 1.7 blocks and shot 50 percent from the field.
Howard was both an All-Star and All-NBA in 1996 and for his career, his averages are 15.3 points, 6.8 rebounds and two and a half assists.
LaMarcus is already a far better defender than Howard was, and should be every bit as good as both McDyess and Odom, though Odom has the ability to play small forward as well.
So two of the three guys you compared him to were All-Stars at least once, and the other is a very solid player. And you don’t think playing alongside a great team guy like Roy and a monster down low in Oden makes him at least an occasional all-star?

by lefty6283 on Aug 13, 2008 5:37 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think

Antonio McDyess is a great comparison for Aldridge.

The street lights is on.

by Magnum on Aug 13, 2008 6:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i definitely don't think he's a bad comparison

its just with aldridge’s build, he’s a little more similar in that aspect to guys like Bosh, Jermaine and Wallace. But yeah, I definitely would be ok if he was like McDyess before all the injuries!

by lefty6283 on Aug 13, 2008 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

McDyess

is Hollinger’s pick for “most similar at age” to LMA (at the beginning of last season).

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Aug 13, 2008 7:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

keep in mind that was

before his brilliant soph year.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Aug 14, 2008 2:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand

Roy had a pretty good rookie year…

Kirk Snyder hasn’t really done anything. How are they similar at any age?

Some statistical thingy?

Mortimer?

by Mortimer on Aug 14, 2008 2:38 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

yeah I don't quite get it either

Just saying that won’t be Brandon’s comparison next year.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Aug 14, 2008 6:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh Mortimer, you're always asking about thingies? +1

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by hobobob on Aug 14, 2008 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

positive thinking

If LMA has as promising an early career as McD I will be so stoked. The sky was the limit for that guy, but then the injuries brought him down. I dont think LMA has the strength or athleticism of a young McD, but I would say a more polished all-round game than McD had at his age.

by danevan on Aug 13, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

From memory LMA is better defensively

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Aug 14, 2008 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A slalom ski course marker is better defensively than McAdoo was

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Aug 15, 2008 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that LaMonster

will earn that nick name and be a perenial Allstar. I also see him winning soo many games for us in our championship runs that he is considered for hof

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by ptwnblzr on Aug 13, 2008 5:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

agreed

He will join Oden, Roy, Bayless and Rudy on the starting line-up for the west while only beating the east 161-33 at the 2010 all-star weekend, taking it easy to conserve their energy to achieve their goal of completing their 2nd consecutive undefeated season.
Oden will be named MVP of the game with a line of 18pts 31rbs and 17blks even thought he will tossed out at half time for mistaking Dirk for a corn-dog, and swallowing him whole.
Thats how it’s going down, call your bookies in advance. You heard it here first. My first semi-homer post—> feels great.

by danevan on Aug 13, 2008 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

I like how you think

If Mike Rice calls Oden "Odom" this season I might have to seriously hurt him

by twiggs on Aug 14, 2008 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well played

You forgot to mention that Martell, Trout, and Channing will be coming off the bench for the all-star squad, though. Pryz and Blake will be brought on as honorary assistant coaches. (To suggest that they would actually make the game would be a bit unrealistic.)

Bayless isn't the second coming of Jordan.
Jordan was the first coming of Bayless.

by KP Corleone on Aug 14, 2008 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true

originally I wanted to have 8 blazers in the starting line-up for the all-star game, but then I thought I should show a little conservatism in my posts if I want to be taken seriously…

by danevan on Aug 14, 2008 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

well,

8 blazers in the starting lineup WOULD be quite a feat. 8 on 8 would be a little crowded though

The street lights is on.

by Magnum on Aug 14, 2008 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...

you are singing my favorite song with your keyboard! Happy typing!

LMA>LA!

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Aug 13, 2008 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There really are multiple questions here

We’re really talking two different things here—talent and accomplishments. The headline refers to LaMarcus’ talent ceiling, and the poster attempts to compare his relative talent to other players with similar body types.

However, at that point the discusion takes a fundamental turn, which is further accentuated by the poll question and answers. We are now discussing accomplishments. While these have a direct correlation to talent, they aren’t quite the same thing at all. In fact, when you get into what LMA’s POSSIBLE future accomplishments are, you really have to break it into two questions:
1) How accomplished (good) can LMA be?
2) How accomplished (good) can LMA be ON THIS TEAM?

The answer to these two questions is very likely different. On this team, as it’s constituted, his accomplishment ceiling is a couple of all star games. Were he to go to another team where he would be “the man”, or our team makeup undergo dramatic changes which make him the focal point, then I think his accomplishment ceiling could be as a Perrenial all star.

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by douglast on Aug 13, 2008 5:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You're probably right

But with one hedge: if the Blazers become a dynasty, they’ll be capable of getting multiple guys voted to the all-star game year after year. That’s even if their individual numbers aren’t spectacular. And while I haven’t looked this up, I believe that Sam Jones, Havlicek, and other Celtics made it to the HOF. Those guys would have put up greater numbers with other teams, but they still got recognition.

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by hurryup09 on Aug 13, 2008 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

year after year? no

at best, you could count on two yearly, and three in a very rare, very special year. If you figure the big 3 are all all-star caliber guys, Oden is likely to go every year starting in about 2 or 3 years, that leave LMA and Brandon fighting it out for spot #2 each season. I’d say on our team, as it’s comprised, I’d put the over under on LMA all star games at around 3.

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Aug 13, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We had three in 1978

Walton, Hollins and Lucas.

Two in 1989 (Drexler and Duckworth)
Three in 1991 (Drexler, Duckworth and Porter)
Two in 1993 (Drexler and Porter)
Two in 1994 (Drexler and Robinson)

some more years with one and a bunch with no All-Stars.

I think we can get three occasionally but more often two, with the second rotating among several players.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Aug 14, 2008 8:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was easier for three players from a single team

to play in the ASG when there were fewer teams, hence fewer players in the league competing for a spot.

Asked his specialty in the kitchen, Oden paused and said, "Hamburger Helper and tuna fish."

by MiledAnimal on Aug 15, 2008 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My first reaction was

it had better be higher than 8’, but he probably prefers them higher.

(Sorry, but I couldn’t resist. I was shopping for a light fixture today and was asked the height of MY ceiling.)

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by jorga on Aug 13, 2008 5:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Dangit!

You beat me to the punch. That was my first reaction as well. I guess great minds think alike, Jorga. Maybe someday I’ll have the pleasure of meeting you in person at a home game (will have to commute from the Seattle area for this…rats)

by DonkeyShins on Aug 14, 2008 11:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mine too

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by tominhawaii on Aug 14, 2008 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think there's a difference between how good aldridge can be and how good he will be with the Blazers

Playing with the Blazers and along side Oden, LMA will be able to develop a more outside oriented game. I believe that if he was the sole star on a team he could easily match the numbers of players like Bosh and Garnett. He isn’t the sole star on the Blazers though, so he is going to probably develop a different niche than if he was the sole star of a team. He will be a excellent scorer and solid defender on a championship level team. Because he will be playing with Oden and Roy he probably will play in fewer All-Star games and will certainly not be recognized as a HOF power forward. In exchange for not necessarily being a perennial all-star he will win championships.

by Zaron5551 on Aug 13, 2008 5:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

yep, pretty much what I said above

Rule #1 of nitpicking is to get it right.

by douglast on Aug 13, 2008 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Aldridge could snag an all-star selection

or two. There are a lot of good players who get left off the all-star team because that position is stacked. Deron Williams and Baron Davis, from last year, come to mind. It’s possible the Aldridge never gets selected because there are enough good forwards in the West.

16 pts, 8 reb, 1.5 blks while playing alongside Oden and Roy would be very solid, and I think that’s totally reasonable, but not necessarily all-star caliber.

The street lights is on.

by Magnum on Aug 13, 2008 5:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

you only excpect him to average 16 points?

really?

I see Lamarcus as the blazers leading scorer. The offense last year usually began with a pass inside to Aldridge. I personally don’t think the offense is really going to change. So i expect to see LMA average 20+ points a game this season. Because of his improving offensive abilities. I can agree with the rebounds and blocks though.

by Zaron5551 on Aug 13, 2008 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's definitely going to get fewer touches

Sharing the post touches with Oden is the main thing. We’ll have more offensive options overall as well.

The street lights is on.

by Magnum on Aug 14, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we get to winning rings

I promise you that LMA will get a few AS bids. Kevin Duckworth got 2 All-Star nods ….primarily because the team was good

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by 92wastheyear on Aug 13, 2008 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LA impressed my kids

And asked me what his ceiling is and I told them he is never going put up ZBO scoring numbers because the offence isnt centered around him but is in every other way a better player,A couple of AS games and a fist full of rings

by southern oregon on Aug 13, 2008 6:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I got too literal with the question.

“How good CAN LaMarcus Aldridge be?” not “How good WILL he be?”

So I regard this as his ceiling – which, given his youth, is high.
All young lottery picks CAN be perennial all-star great, and some turn out to be, and some don’t.
His ceiling is high, and his floor is low (Manute with an allergy to the paint).
As he keeps playing, the floor-to-ceiling gap will narrow. On WHAT, I’m not sure.
But the ceiling is, for now, very high.

So what.

Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.

by QualityPie on Aug 13, 2008 6:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I think LaMarcus Aldridge could be an All Star power forward. I see him being like a more motivated Rasheed Wallace.

Of course with a much better attitude. The guy was beasting Tim Duncan and other good power forwards last year. He owned Pau Gasol so I think the Blazers will have the edge there when we play the Lakers.

by BRoyInThe4th on Aug 13, 2008 7:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

LMA has the potential to be Rasheed minus the Crazy.

by DonkeyShins on Aug 14, 2008 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMA will prove it

Being more optimistic, I compared him to Tim Duncan.Aldridge is a little bit underrated because he is not strong enough, you can’t score in the post and rebound well without a big body and some muscle.However I remember seeing some articles saying that LMA’s college coaches didn’t want his players to do weight training too early and too often, maybe that’s the reason Larmarcus is so skinny but skilled and smooth.In my opinion, he has a bright future with his work ethic and willing to add muscle to play post games.

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by asiafan on Aug 13, 2008 8:53 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Tim Duncan?

now that IS optimistic, given that Duncan is the best PF of all time, and LA’s post game is still developing whereas Timmy came into the league and immediately was a top 5 or 6 low post player on offense. I’d say the best comparisons I can think of are McDyess from above (who was destined to be a top 5 PF in the league before injuries derailed him), Sheed, and Jermaine. The thing about all of those guys is that people always put them down below where they “should” be when people name ceilings because each of them had individual issues that messed up their individual careers, either injuries(JO and McDyess) or attitude(Sheed). If LA were to hit the heights that those guys did without running into the issues that held them back, that’d be a multiple all star level. It’s no insult to be compared to any of those guys without having to pull out the Duncan card.

Another guy that I think compares LA compares pretty well with would be Amare his first full year after MF surgery when he lost a little of his athleticism (that he’s since gained back) and showed off his newly developed jumper. And as a point of reference, I’m pretty sure Amare was all-nba that year. I’m not saying LA isn’t athletic, just that no PF in the league is as athletic as Amare, so an Amare at 90% athleticism with a jumper like he was that year isn’t a bad comparison.

Of course, LA can play D, so maybe it is a bad comparison.

by Royster on Aug 13, 2008 9:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

compared to...

Tim Duncan? wow, thats quite the favourable comparison, no matter how much I would love see him be the next TD, lets take a look at the stat line from his rookie year: 21.1PPG, 11.9RPG, 2.5BPG, .549FG%. on top of that, he was an all-star, 2nd-team all-defense, and 1st-team all-NBA…yes, as a 21 year old ROOKIE. If LMA ever hit those kind of numbers I would be more than satisfied.
I like the Sheed comparison, both are very skilled offensive players with range on their jumper and a good eye for the floor. I really hope LMA can also develop the defensive skill set of sheed, but pass on the technicals, the temper tantrums, the bong hits, and the creepy white-spot in the hair…

by danevan on Aug 13, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not likely to happen

I doubt LaMarcus’ career rebound average will ever be more than about eight. Like Sheed, he just doesn’t have that much of a nose for rebounds. He’ll have games once in a while where he gets 15 or 16, but those will be rare. It’s too bad, because there are so few double-digit rebounders in the league that being one of them not only helps your team but helps your cause when it comes to All-Star votes.

I had forgotten how polished T-Dunc was when he came into the league. It’s like he was fully formed after four years at Wake Forest and he’s been the model of consistency since then. His rookie stats are truly impressive.

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by MiledAnimal on Aug 15, 2008 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lamarcus could lead the team in scoring

He has all the tools to be a dominant post player. He’s still very young and developing quickly. He definitely needs to add more bulk, improve defense and rebound harder. I think he’ll be far more skilled than Bosh. His footwork is already very good and he has great hands, plus the guy runs the floor like a gazelle. Not a lot of guys in the league with those tools. Since Roy will be more of a distributor and Oden will be more of a dunk machine for awhile, I think Lamarcus has the chance to lead this squad in scoring and become a perennial all star. He’s was called a major project and I believe that he’s far ahead of his development timetable according to early predictions.

by EazyRider on Aug 13, 2008 11:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

20/10

I can’t add much to the above. I think Aldridge is an ideal player to play with Oden, and that brings championships downstream. Most players will trade rings for AllStar games any day of the week. Still, I think Aldridge can be a solid 20/10 player given speed, athleticism, good hands, and the fact that he’ll have a lot of mismatches as he stops playing center and moves permanently to power forward. Remember, he may have started his sophmore year – but he did not play permanently at the Power Forward position. Instead, he also played some center, and that positioned him agains the largest player on the other team. This will be the first year that he plays his permanent position all year. Most of the others mentioned never played both positions in their first year of starting. As a result, the stats can be a little misleading. In this context, I tend to support those that think he’ll make some all-star games, but the hall of fame will simply have to wait. However, the hall of fame doesn’t just look at stats, they also look at championships. If Portland wins some, and Aldridge is a 20/10 player, he could well get in. This is the reason that players like McHale are in the Hall.

by Eben Calder on Aug 14, 2008 5:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see Joe Smith anywhere in this thread.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 14, 2008 8:20 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You're right

He is actually pretty similar to Joe Smith at the same age, so I would not be surprised if LMA turns out to be Joe Smith 2.0 or a rich man’s Joe Smith.

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by blzrfan on Aug 14, 2008 10:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey man two words

Tyrus Thomas. Ok, i got that out of the way you’re probably correct that Joe Smith should at least be mentioned. The way is see Larmarcus may end up like Joe Smith of Juwan Howard or he may end up becoming similar to Chris Bosh. It just depends how Lamarcus and the Blazers decide to practice and develop him.

by Zaron5551 on Aug 14, 2008 11:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMA's ceiling is Tyrus Thomas, or vice versa, or just trying to tease our friendly Bullsblogger?

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by Norsktroll on Aug 14, 2008 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

just teasing

it seems a lot of people on his site blogabull still think Tyrus is going to be better than LMA

by Zaron5551 on Aug 14, 2008 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think as their Dave he is too wise for that, but one never knows ;-)

Odenied: Asked whether he noticed Oden favoring his right knee, Frye dismissed it entirely. "He favors dunking on your head, that's what he favors."

by Norsktroll on Aug 14, 2008 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would never suggest I'm as wise as Dave

so in that spirit: sure, Tyrus can become better.

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by your friendly BullsBlogger on Aug 15, 2008 8:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smith is what Aldridge is now

so its absolutely reasonable to mention him, as LA’s “floor,” but certainly not his ceiling.

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by jksnake99 on Aug 14, 2008 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Didn't Smith lead the Bulls in PER last year?

I mean, before he got shipped out for peanuts and the Cavs swapped him for one of the best young PGs in the league?

Plus one on the “floor, but not the ceiling” comment. LMA will likely be a more athletic, stronger, better rebounding, better defending version of Joe Smith. And, he will be playing with a dominant physical specimen at C, so any rebounding/defensive deficiencies will be masked.

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by KP Corleone on Aug 14, 2008 12:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coachability

The thing I might love most about these Trail Blazers is their interest in adding new skills. They have such a positive mentality about the game of basketball. Every year, you can count on most of the players adding new and important skills to their game. LMA, he developed a post game and got stronger. Pryz found out how to make some free throws. Frye has extended the range on his jump shot another 8 feet and is stdying boxing (I assume to dominate the paint). Martell is still working the kinks out of his game attacking the hoop. Roy and Blake are inveterate gym rats and conditioning monsters. Even Trout has started his conditioning early, which has been a factor, and now is down with the sickness doing two hand drills, etc. Part of it is drive to succeed as a team, and part is that there is such competition for PT.

Back to LMA, he is a different cat. He came in humble and all the talent that he sees around him I think is helping him maintain the right attitude. I think that he has a fantastic base of talent. His steadyness can look like plodding at times. But it is this steadiness and his great work ethic that can push him to actualize more of his potential than the vast majority of players. I really respect LaMarcus. And I think that Portland and Nate’s philosophy of continually developing players is the perfect spot for him. Luke I think is perfect for him. Not many remember that Luke led the Blazers in scoring at least one season. Its not all defense, setting screens and blocking out.

How far could he go? If the Blazers get half the rings over the next decade and he leads the team in scoring two or three of those years, that’s pretty far. I see several all star appearances and depending on whether we are a dynasty, HOF is not out of the question.

Big men take longer to develop than guards. I don’t expect to see another big man have the touch and subtlety to their game of a Duncan or Hakeem. But there is alot of room between those two and the start of the cream of the crop.

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by LaoTzu on Aug 14, 2008 10:28 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

On a scale of 1-10

LA is/will be a 9. Proly not one of the best ever at his position, but certainly All-Star level.

Its going to fun to watch him school Duncan in the coming years, as he gets better and Duncan gets old.

hmmmkay

by TylerM on Aug 14, 2008 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As Lamarcus will be playing alongside Oden it seems

a good comparison would be Duncan when he played along side Robinson.

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by monkeybones on Aug 14, 2008 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That IS impressive, isn't it?

And LMA and GO have talked about hoping to emulate the Duncan/Robinson tandem. The difference: our Twin Towers should be together—in their primes—for a decade or more.

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by hurryup09 on Aug 14, 2008 2:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

funny thing is,

Duncan/Robinson didn’t have a B-Roy to pass them the ball. Avery Johnson led that squad, but I think our guard rotation could become the very best in the league. Combine that with twin towers in the post? I don’t think there has been a starting five with as much even distribution of talent, except for maybe Detroit, as what this team could have. And detroit could have easily been a dynasty if some games in the ECF last year or this year bounced their way, and they didn’t lose to the Spurs.

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by premthegrem on Aug 14, 2008 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would rank LaMarcus very high on the comedic scale, just for this feat:

Unmatched intangibles for a rookie: Making a puzzled commissioner David Stern wear the cap of your university as a punishment for having to wear the wrong hat for fifteen minutes (that travesty needs to go) has probably never been done before, and I think now there must be some official rule against that. Also check out LMA’s hand sign ;-)

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