Rudy Watch: Game 1
First of all, you guys are crazy. 600+ 700+ comments on an Olympic game featuring one potential player in the middle of the night? Only on Blazersedge.
We all saw a little bit of Rudy Fernandez in this game...enough to make some preliminary judgments. There were plenty of things to talk about too.
The initial good news is that you could tell it was Rudy from the minute you saw him. This may sound weird at first but you'll often hear GM's and scouts talk about a guy commanding your attention. Rudy didn't exactly scream out for your eyeball time--that would be Ricky Rubio--but you could definitely tell there was something about him. Much of it was in the way he moved. He had quickness and confidence both...solid attributes for a guy hoping to make it in the NBA.
Rudy has good height and appears to use it. That quickness almost makes him seem rangy. As expected he moved well without the ball when the sets called for it. He also showed good speed up and down the court. His shot and release were quick as well, both in decision-making and execution. He doesn't let grass grow under his feet when there are points to be had. He's also fast getting up in the air. One of the problems plaguing the current Blazer leapers is that their rim finishes take a long time to develop. Rudy appeared to get in the sky in a hurry. I don't have many doubts about him being able to get shots up in the NBA. Everything that's good about him happens fast.
Rudy's shot looked good. He's obviously comfortable shooting from distance. He looked equally happy going left or right, though I imagine teams will try to force him left. It's hard to tell against non-NBA competition but his first step looked pretty good. Beyond that, though, things get more shaky. The best way to describe it is: when he had an opening he looked great. Creating those openings for himself may be an issue. His offense didn't go anywhere when he was in traffic. His best interior attempts (the highlight reel stuff) came when he had a clear lane. When he was bothered he looked like a float-and-hoper inside. Unless you're talking straight catch-and-shoot he's going to get bothered a lot in the NBA.
They let Rudy initiate the offense a few times. This was less of a success. His inability to get clear off the dribble hampered both his shot and his passing ability. That passing ability became much clearer when he was receiving the ball and then moving it on. He looks like he could be a good team player, a nice fit with the already-unselfish Blazers. But he didn't look like a true playmaker.
One possibility that has me excited is seeing Rudy as a wing on the break. With his speed, quick jump, passing ability, and shot he'd be a multi-pronged threat all by himself. If his teammates run with him you'll have a hard time deciding who (or what) to defend.
The worst part of Rudy's game by far was his defense, which, aside for a couple noticeable moments, ranged from a high of semi-adequate to a low of wholly ineffective. He was reaching, leaning, and getting beat off of the dribble with regularity in the first quarter. He got a little more active in the second quarter but still ended up getting to the spot late, getting out of position, and/or playing with his arms instead of his feet. He ran behind every pick thrown at him when he didn't get rubbed off entirely. In the third quarter I finally saw him fight through a pick. In the fourth quarter he managed to stay in front of his man off the dribble. But really he appears to have a long way to go in this area. I am very interested to see him against the U.S. and to see if the effort is more sustained there. I feel pretty comfortable saying that if he played that style of defense against any NBA guard he'd get BBQ'ed like a Kansas City rib. My guess is the Blazers will need to employ a lot of zone when he's in if they want to get the best out of him.
Overall I thought he had a very nice offensive game and he did more than enough to help his team win. I didn't see anything tonight to move me off of the convictions that he's going to need to play shooting guard and that he's going to need to hit outside shots to stay on the floor initially. However you can see what the Blazers like in him and so far he looks like a guy who can contribute while learning. After some of the rookies we've watched that's not a bad deal.
More data to come.
--Dave (blazersub@yahoo.com)
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A man who stays up past 1:30 am to write 750 words of Rudy Recap...
.................................................. thinks that WE’RE extreme?
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 1:46 AM PDT
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Good point
Bolstered by the fact that I have to work in the morning.
I think I should go to bed now. I only made it 3/4 of the way through the impromptu Gameday Thread, but oh well.
—Dave
by Dave on
Aug 10, 2008 1:53 AM PDT
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we'll forgive you for not reading all of it
but i’m not so sure about you trying to bring us back down to earth.
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 2:35 AM PDT
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Dave is a hater
He hates America, Oden, and now Rudy. His favorite drink is HATER-ADE.
Is anyone safe?
I didn’t read the post, just scanned for something saying Rudy will be a first ballot hall of famer. If that isn’t in the article, HATER ALERT.
He’s, like, all realistic and stuff. It upsets my tummy.
I don’t think he was too negative, just pointing out the good/great with the bad—and even then the bad wasn’t that bad, just stuff he saw that wasn’t perfect. I know I saw some defensive breakdowns, but no one plays lockdown defense for 4 quarters even if you only play half the game like everyone on Spain did. He had some really good defensive moments and others he got beat more easily than I expected—the first time immediately after he scored that opening bucket.
Plus, Dave is right: Nate will judge him by defense and instant offense, so he’s gotta be able to score AND fight through those screens. I think he’ll get a lot of steals because he really likes to be a ball-hawk and he seems to have great instincts, but he’s gonna have the lil’ stuff drilled into him by Nate and his staff.
I’m sure Rudy will learn what he needs to do, but he didn’t do everything Nate would ask him to do in this specific game is all.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Aug 10, 2008 2:57 AM PDT
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My impression as well that Rudy can play some defense
He was paired against smaller quicker guards and just as Roy cannot guard those, Rudy as well. But his lateral quickness when he remembered to move his feet impressed me. Those Greeks seemed very fast and Rudy stayed with them some of the time.
So I look past the faults and away from the HOF to the reality and agree that Rudy will get seasoned here.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Aug 11, 2008 3:40 PM PDT
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Good assessment. That he doesn't work well around screens was something also observed by scouts prior to the draft
Not that he can’t to it (he has the lateral quickness and strength), but that he doesn’t really like to. Greece is known for a good pick and roll game, yet it’s something the Blazers have to work on with him during training camp. If he can consistently hustle through picks set by our bigs, he is ready. That and not dribbling into the defense without a real plan what to do next. That he came late a few times might have to do with Spain playing a lot of zone defense.
Overall I really liked his game on the big stage and the effort he put in (like Mortimer said, “one thing is sure, he’s always trying to do something. Steal the ball, rebound, make a play, shoot, whatever—you know he’s out there. He won’t drift through his rookie year.”).
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Aug 10, 2008 2:37 AM PDT
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Wasn't it the same Greek guards
who schooled USA in Japan the same way?
Not sure Rudy was any worse than his teammates or even worse than our 2006 SGs.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Aug 11, 2008 3:42 PM PDT
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I would have given
rudy a little better defencive grade then that, I also thin if the game is not a blow out, hes trying harder, although he looked all hustle anyways. I could be wrong, but I also think that having greg lamarcus, and joel on the floor instead of the gasol brothers will help rudy out a little.(fingers crossed) awsome game.
ps.. Dave, you should have a little talk with the IT guys there a SBNation, maybee give your site some kinda server priority, I dont know much about computers, except that mine has never run slower, except that time I had 4 seperat windows open, with5 to 15 tabs apeice(two or three days without closing anything) watching southpark, and dounloading 4 or 5 torrentz while seeding a couple. all while on the BEdge. actually, it was still faster. talk to them! please!!
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 2:43 AM PDT
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Having our big frontline
We’ll definitely enable Rudy to take risks ala Wade on defense more and try for those breakaway steals he likes to do, which is a good thing because Rudy likes to do it (and is good at it). We’ll have the big men to plug the hole while Rudy gets back into position.
Rudy led his league in steals, after all. He likes to do it. He looked good that way defensively, and he had good moments in one on one play, but he got beat by guys not as quick as him sometimes. I gotta see more before I decide, because even great defenders get beat by players sometimes. No one is completely lockdown.
I loved his instincts though.
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Aug 10, 2008 3:00 AM PDT
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His defense
...Although it was difficult to get a good look without watching tape reviews, my take on his defense was this: He looked too bouncy and jumpy(Not fundamentally in position to defend) With the right coaching, this may be correctable. When you are setting up on defense by hopping and bouncing, you are leaving yourself in a position to get beat. The second it takes to take s short hop is the second you need to have your feet firmly on the floor sliding your feet instead of hopping….His game is high energy (not a bad trait), but it needs to be more controlled energy…it took a couple of seasons for Tony Parker and Ginobili to get some their energy under control(Ginobili still uses his high energy effectively but keeps his position defense in more control)...
If he can make some adjustments in his game, he could be one powerful asset on a team that could use a high energy player…His adjustment may become much easier, with the good players Portland already has….If he doesn’t get hurt from “blasting away” at every play on the floor, he could be a big piece to a championship contender….
by 67 on
Aug 10, 2008 10:15 AM PDT
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There were some noticeable defensive flaws
For one, if you go back and watch the tape see how many times he comes over to help on the double team and the dribbler just goes by him like he doesn’t exist. Same when he tries to cut off the drive. Defense is about controlling space. You don’t control all of it, of course, but you want to take something away from the offensive guy, thus limiting his options. Rudy doesn’t really control space like an NBA guard. Watch Kobe, Wade, and Kidd in the first quarter of the U.S.-China game for the contrast. With some concentration and encouragement he should be able to use that quickness to his advantage though. That will be his hope defensively…not that he’s a lock-down guy but that he can bother the opponent with his speed and get in the passing lanes a little. Right now, though, the book on him is going to be “If you’re bigger than he, post him up…if you’re smaller drive by him. Either way push his defense and make them compensate.”
—Dave
by Dave on
Aug 10, 2008 11:37 AM PDT
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It sounds like he adjusted as the game progressed.
Like he had noticeable improvement in his defense between the first quarter and the fourth.
Would you say that’s true, Dave?
And if so, did it seem to be his natural tendency to adapt, or was it coached into him in-game?
I kinda hope it’s the latter; if this dude responds that immediately to coaching,
then maybe all he needs to shore up defensively is Nate + training camp, which he will get.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on
Aug 10, 2008 11:50 AM PDT
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I hope its natural
if it was coaching, it might imply that he wasnt listening the first few quarters.
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 1:09 PM PDT
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I think we saw a couple things
One is he turned in more pressure defense and his quickness makes him better at that. Even Drazen Petrovic was better back in the day when you just let him loose to go at someone and didn’t care about a spot in the team defensive rotation. Second the Spanish team got ahead on the scoreboard which changed Greece’s offensive game. Also it seemed to me Spain started packing the middle even more which forced more jumpers. People always look better defending jumpers than drives.
That said, it did feel like Rudy got more into it defensively after his offensive game got on track as well.
—Dave
by Dave on
Aug 10, 2008 4:52 PM PDT
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Another comment
This is probably true of most teams that only play together for a short time ….. .....unorganized, was something that first flashed into thought..play seemed to be out of sync and hap-hazard …there was noticeable improvement as the game progressed and Spain seemed to take control…Rudy IMO, would not be someone to run the offense through….he would fit much better playing off screens, slashing, second chance points, and getting points from fast breaks and turnovers. He doesn’t have to be a stopper on “D”, but he has to get fundamentally better to not become a liability
by 67 on
Aug 10, 2008 5:27 PM PDT
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Good point
I wonder if changing coaches this year has disrupted a team used to doing things another way when they are together. Of course it was Rudy’s and Ricky’s old coach so there might also be some difference in other players picking up on the coach’s ways.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Aug 11, 2008 3:56 PM PDT
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Not to mention how many of these guys were in the NBA last season.
Plus, with the Oly berth secured by the 2006 worlds title, they didn’t have to compete
for a regional entry slot like SOME teams (USA! USA!) who came up short in Japan.
So their team regimen hasn’t been as competitive the past two years as it would’ve been
if they needed that strong 2007 Euro showing (which they got anyway) to get to Beijing.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on
Aug 11, 2008 4:34 PM PDT
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Oh, one other key learning from this game (I watched part of it one a Spanish Internet stream)
I must demand that our TV, radio and game announcers have to learn to scream the following after Rudy hits a three:
Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuddddy (with a really long rolling R and a soft DY) TRIPLE! TRIPLE! TRIPLE!
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by Norsktroll on
Aug 10, 2008 3:08 AM PDT
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DDDDDddddddrrrrrrRRRRRRuuuuuuuuuddddddddyyyyyyy
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
Aug 10, 2008 3:54 AM PDT
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Close
Ya gets a “Cookie”.
"He doesn't let grass grow under his feet when there are points to be had." - Dave
by BlueBooYay on
Aug 10, 2008 4:16 AM PDT
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Oatmeal raisen with shreds of coconut?
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
Aug 10, 2008 4:24 AM PDT
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Oops. Meant for Bluooby.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
Aug 10, 2008 4:25 AM PDT
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That sounds delicious
I am a fan of oatmeal raisin cookies and I am a coconut fan so their coupling would beget deliciousness in my mouth.
Perhaps the recipe could become the official cookie of Blazers Edge? I can’t believe we don’t got an official cookie. What have we been DOING with our time here?!
Mortimer
by Mortimer on
Aug 10, 2008 4:30 AM PDT
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Mmmmmm, moist, chewy cookies. It's early evening annthefan time and the kitchen calls.
Good thing my metabolism is zippy.
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by annthefan on
Aug 10, 2008 4:42 AM PDT
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Cookies...
You can win by drawing lots a dinner with Ricky Rubio if you send three bar codes before 10/30/08. If any of you have a track record with us and wanna try, I have some bar codes (yes, we eat these cookies) which I can send with your name and adress for the draw. It would be almost a miracle that you win, but if you wanna try be sure you will come to Spain if you win. We might kill you if you don´t. link
The Midnight Rambler
by amlmart1 on
Aug 10, 2008 5:39 AM PDT
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Is that Sergio #11 with the spectre of Ricky hanging over him? Cruel.
"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar
by annthefan on
Aug 10, 2008 6:07 AM PDT
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Looks like Beetlejuice is #7
I like cheese.
by tominhawaii on
Aug 10, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
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He might become the first NBA athlete with a cookie deal
Shoes and energy drinks. Ha, how ordinary.
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Aug 10, 2008 6:50 AM PDT
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Even so, it's not exactly Nutella.
I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.
Greg Doden really brought the extra D tonight!
by MGNNoah on
Aug 10, 2008 8:46 AM PDT
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hmmm I think I might order a box!
forget the dinner – by the time I get to Spain the dinner will be cold.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Aug 11, 2008 4:00 PM PDT
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I wonder what Roy thought about Rudy's game. Yes, he is watching
http://blog.oregonlive.com/behindblazersbeat/2008/08/the_olympics_and_rudy_roy_will.html
“I will watch (the Olympics) more now,’’ Roy said last month. “Before, I would just watch and see if Sergio (Rodriguez) got in a game. Now, I’m very curious about it because our management is extremely high on (Rudy). I hear he is a good player.’‘
“I’m definitely going to watch,’’ Roy said. “How much does he play for his team?’’ When told he plays a significant role, Roy nodded. “He is supposed to be a key for us next season,’’ Roy said. “I definitely want to see what he can do. I might have seen one highlight on him … he could walk past me and I wouldn’t know who he was. But I want to watch him and get familiar, just to see what he does, what his weaknesses are, and where he can help our team.’‘
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by Norsktroll on
Aug 10, 2008 6:53 AM PDT
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snap!
"I will watch (the Olympics) more now,’’ Roy said last month. "Before, I would just watch and see if Sergio (Rodriguez) got in a game. Now, I’m very curious about it because our management is extremely high on (Rudy). I hear he is a good player.’‘
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
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"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
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Hey, I was trying to cancel that...
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 8:36 AM PDT
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Nice Start.
One way to look at this game is to observe that Rudy had a better line than Jose Calderon or Pau or Marc Gasol. And he’s supposed to be the rookie. Of course, like Bayless, he’ll have some issues. But his wing play is something the Blazers need, and you can certainly see why they like his shot. One question I’d have, further, is whether or not anyone else seeing the game thinks he has the ball handling skills to bring it up the court and then the passing skills to get it to Roy while he then goes in motion. If he does, we already know this is one thing the Blazers want.The ability to defense the PB will certainly be an issue, of course, to fill that additional role the Blazers want in a guard that plays with Roy. This, as a result, may be the area that Rudy will have to do the most work on as he transitions.
All in all, it was a nice first look for Blazer fans. Of course, having to give up a #25 pick seems a little excessive. After all, don’t we normally get good NBA players for second rounders – or am I missing something. Might want to talk to KP on that one.
by Eben Calder on
Aug 10, 2008 6:57 AM PDT
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Not sure
what you’re getting at with the second paragraph…
by MavetheGreat on
Aug 10, 2008 8:20 PM PDT
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my guess is....
rudy would be happy taking the ball down the court….. then what he can do is pass it and go into motion, which he is naturally gifted at….i trust if he’s open our guys will find him…...
by BroyTheTruth on
Aug 11, 2008 11:15 PM PDT
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Quickness
Rudy is just quick.He thinks, passes, plays quickly.I always think that he is one step further than others,so the fact that they couldn’t catch his passes maybe doesn’t mean Rudy is not a good playmaker.
Our 2R are basketball geniuses-Roy and Rudy
by asiafan on
Aug 10, 2008 8:16 AM PDT
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He did have that one pass
that basically bonked off of Gasol’s cranium, which was HILARIOUS. However he didn’t really look comfortable, nor make efficient passes, when they put the ball in his hands to run the offense. Note that, in my estimation anyway, there’s a difference between being a good passer and a good playmaker/point guard.
You’re right about him being quick. It was the thing that stood out most in this game. It’ll be good to see how quick he looks against NBA competition. However the one thing you’ll never be able to take away from him is how quickly he gets up that shot. Zowie.
—Dave
by Dave on
Aug 10, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
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I was only able to watch the 1st half
of last night’s game but DVR’d the whole game. Did anything cool happen Rudy-wise, in the 2nd half?
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by 92wastheyear on
Aug 10, 2008 8:34 AM PDT
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he hit a 3
go to the line a few times. Nothing major.
Boomshakalaka
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Aug 10, 2008 8:36 AM PDT
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So he mastered the first step
1. Never pass the ball to a big guy below his knees.
2. Pass it to the big guy in chest height and not in his face ;-)
Still, I blame Gasol and his Kwame Brown hands for not catching that pass. Just like Jack and the defenders not being able to even imagine the creativity of the magician were the only causes for all turnovers Sergio made last season.
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by Norsktroll on
Aug 10, 2008 9:16 AM PDT
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I agree with Norsktroll
that pass to Gasol seemed like one he ought to have passed. They didn’t replay it though, so I didn’t get to see it twice.
by MavetheGreat on
Aug 10, 2008 8:26 PM PDT
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Anyone watching the US game right now?
The US is winning by double digits, but I’m not very impressed. Lots of bad 3s, no real semblance of a half-court game. China isn’t exactly that good either, a lot of 3s in the 1st half, a couple of highlights from Yao and Sun Yue (Chinese Magic Johnson).
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by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 10, 2008 8:21 AM PDT
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I'm watching
and I agree. The US game is all based off gambling for steals. Works ok vs. China- might not vs. Spain/Greece/Argentina.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Aug 10, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
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Agree
those teams have pretty fuild offensives. I’m not sure they make consistently safe passes though.
by MavetheGreat on
Aug 10, 2008 8:29 PM PDT
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The Chinese Magic Johnson plays for the L@kers next season (second round pick in 2007)
I doubt Kobe was reminded of Magic. He has huge size for a guard at 6’9”, but that’s about it.
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Aug 10, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
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Maybe he's like Magic because
he also had a horrible tv talk show.
by grimc on
Aug 10, 2008 3:41 PM PDT
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The U.S. team will lose to Spain and Greece and Argentina and Lithuania
and every other decent team unless the U.S. team starts playing team basketball.
These egotists never learn. You can’t win an international competition unless you play team ball. The U.S. team is just a collection of superstars. It is not a team. Sorry patriots, we are not going to win the gold. Book it.
Winning is everything.
by MT Suit on
Aug 10, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
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US will dominate Spain
Team USA is going to look like they’re running a layup line. They don’t need outside shots.
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by tominhawaii on
Aug 10, 2008 2:51 PM PDT
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Agree that the style is different
against China. But the defense was good and the team offense will improve. Main thing is can we shoot?
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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US-China
The Chinese didn’t look like they actually believed they could win and the US team didn’t believe they could loose. The result was a lot of sloppy play and not a lot of effort being put in on defense. The US players seemed to make a lot of unnecessarily flashy plays and looked like they were more concerned with getting in the highlights than with actually winning.
It’s clear that the US had a big advantage in talent and athleticism, but that won’t be enough to carry them to victory over Spain unless they play a little more seriously.
by trk on
Aug 10, 2008 1:30 PM PDT
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And Yao is hurt......
Doesn’t look to be serious, but still guy has terrible luck.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 10, 2008 8:30 AM PDT
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74-48 US after 3
The US appears to have worn China down—China isn’t getting back on D anymore and the rout is on.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Aug 10, 2008 8:36 AM PDT
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channel?
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 8:42 AM PDT
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you might have it on the USA network
or NBC.
I don’t so I’m watching online at NBCOlympics.com
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by jksnake99 on
Aug 10, 2008 8:47 AM PDT
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I just see soccer and water polo and there might be swimming or something...
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by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 8:48 AM PDT
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The USA channell is showing basketball all the time.
NBC, as usual, cuts in and out of various other olympic events to give variety to their ads,.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Aug 11, 2008 4:08 PM PDT
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Lithuania beat Argentina
moderate upset there. Spain is definitely looking looking like the best bet to beat the US.
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Aug 10, 2008 8:41 AM PDT
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Thanks for the nice honest assessment of Rudy.
I missed the game and was good to see something other than “Rudy is the next Ginobilli”. Flaws? Of course he has flaws! He IS going to be a rookie. Even so, it can’t temper my excitement; Oden, Bayless, and this guy? No. Way.
I want to be tucked in by Greg Oden and have him tell us stories about the old days.
Greg Doden really brought the extra D tonight!
by MGNNoah on
Aug 10, 2008 8:49 AM PDT
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I like his game better than Ginobilli's...
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
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.......................... but I'm no fan of Manu...
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 8:50 AM PDT
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How can you not love Manu's game?
He’s one of the best players outside the USA. I will probably get flamed for this, but he probably deserved the all star slot instead of Brandon this past season. Not that I’m complaining, mind you.
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by Billy Ray Bates on
Aug 10, 2008 8:58 AM PDT
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Manu, Barry and Finn
are the only thing I liked about last season’s Spurs.
(Ok, I secretly admire Bowen’s game very much. Just don’t tell anyone.)
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by Billy Ray Bates on
Aug 10, 2008 8:59 AM PDT
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Ginobi = dirty
He’s not as bad as Bowen, but I don’t like him because of how dirty he can be. He’s kind of like Harvey Dent aka Two Face. One play he’ll be aggressive and the next he’ll flop so blatantly he deserves a technical foul.
by MavetheGreat on
Aug 10, 2008 9:29 PM PDT
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Spur Hate.
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 10:43 AM PDT
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Rudy played better than Ginoblili in their first games
(just my non-expert opinion)
Remember also that Ginobili played 20 minutes, scored 7.6 points, shot 44% and 35% from 3-point in his rookie year. I think 20 minutes is about right for Rudy going in but think he will shoot better and score more.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Aug 11, 2008 4:13 PM PDT
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(Title refers to the Olympics)
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Aug 11, 2008 4:14 PM PDT
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Dwight Howard looks terrible out there
Boomshakalaka
by jksnake99 on
Aug 10, 2008 8:53 AM PDT
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He bothered Yao and Yi
as neither shot well. My impression of Howard is he was dwarfed with only 2 rebounds.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Aug 11, 2008 4:15 PM PDT
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101-70, final
The US wasn’t great and China played right with them most of the first half. In the 2nd half, the Americans superior depth and conditioning were too much.
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by jksnake99 on
Aug 10, 2008 8:58 AM PDT
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Bah, spoilers
The game isn’t televised on NBC until 10am Pacific
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by Billy Ray Bates on
Aug 10, 2008 9:00 AM PDT
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Since we already know the final outcome,
you might as well let us know what to keep an eye on at certain points in the game.
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by Billy Ray Bates on
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Some observations
China didn’t really look much better than Angola, which Germany beat by 30 points. Early favorites to go home after the group phase.
Full court press works every time against teams with guards that can’t really handle the ball. Lots of easy steals and turnovers leading to fast breaks and some nice dunks (and some botched plays since everybody on the team tries to run and gun).
If the US ever gets officiated during the Olympics by a crew that whistles strictly according to FIBA rules, they are screwed cause ever second dribble is a traveling violation. Kobe got called for it once. They should have been called for it at least a dozen times. First the ball goes on the floor, then you set your foot on the floor. That’s the rule in international basketball.
Their outside shooting was abysmal. I think around halftime it was about 6 percent. Later it got a little better when they were open. Also free throw shooting wasn’t stellar.
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Aug 10, 2008 9:29 AM PDT
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FT shooting is going to be low just because of Dwight
Otherwise they have a pretty solid group of free throw shooters. Outside shooting was terrible (for the US standards), but it didn’t matter because their defense was so aggressive, every other basket was in transition.
I don’t think the US can lose a game, but it will definitley be very interesting to see them match up against Spain. It seems like they come out pretty lazily in the 1st quarter, then use the 2nd and 3rd to turn up the D.
Individually, Wade looks like he’s back in the 2006 Finals, LeBron is his unstoppable self, and Deron/CP3 continue to outshine Kidd. I never really noticed how well Howard runs for a big man, he was finishing tons of fast breaks for them. I’m still not a fan of Boozer and would have preferred Chandler over him.
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by Ozzie Montana on
Aug 10, 2008 9:43 AM PDT
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I'll go a little OT onto the China game...
.......................... the sound the crowd makes whenever Yao touches the ball is funny and cute. He’s as big as The Beatles there, pretty clearly.
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 10:44 AM PDT
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Tied at 29, China with possession...
"He shoots....................... he scores!!!"
by timbo on
Aug 10, 2008 10:45 AM PDT
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hate to burst your bubble but...
the game isn’t live… USA won 101-70
smile, your on a poster
by Trail Blazer on
Aug 10, 2008 11:18 AM PDT
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Rudy
Whoops. Hit enter a little too quickly. Sorry about that.
Anyhow, he is definitely lightning fast, but is thin as a rail. That worries me since a lot of 2 guards like to post-up. I don’t see Rudy being able to guard someone like Rip Hamilton either, but most 2 guards aren’t quite that adept at using screens.
Rudy was definitely active out there, but the game was too ragged for me to get a sense of his defense. The whole game seemed like an impromptu pick up game. The Gasol brothers looked like Kwame Brown out there, but some of that can be attributed to first game jitters.
I didn’t see anything from either team that leads me to believe they will beat the US. LeBron would be the strongest dude on either team by a long shot and I don’t think he’s the strongest dude on our squad.
by torsoheap on
Aug 10, 2008 11:34 AM PDT
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Baby Shaq
Did you see that monstrous guy for Greece? Maybe its not lean muscle, but that guy was a beast.
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Aug 10, 2008 9:31 PM PDT
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Baby Shaq
is a big dude, but I’m not sure how strong he is. He’s also fairly earthbound. He reminds me a bit of Oliver Miller.
The US team has the clear advantage in athleticism and talent, but I’m not sure we’re sending over the right team. I think we need more glue guys and less ball hogs.
by torsoheap on
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Canzano just went off the hook over Rudy in this game.
Here are some choice bits from the cutest mancrush I’ve seen in a while:
If you’re like me all you knew of Fernandez before Sunday was hype, legend, rumor
and some grainy youtube.com footage . . . Now, though, we have proof of something more promising.
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He showed special offensive creativity, and exceptional shooting range, and good leadership,
and if the guy ever learns to play defense, what the Blazers will have
is the perfect complement to All-Star Brandon Roy.
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[I]t was a relief to see Fernandez consistently beat his defender off the dribble with a great first step.
And it was delightful to learn that he’s a far, far, far more explosive leaper than you expect him to be.
And it was wonderful to see how active he is during games, and how diverse and delightful
his offensive game is, and to see how hard he plays, and how sharp his basketball instincts are.
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He can get to the basket. He can shoot. On one possession, Fernandez exploded past his man,
drove toward the basket, jumped, and in the same motion
switched the ball from his right hand to his left for a layup.
More remarkable was that he did all of the above after encountering a second defender helping on the play.
Fernandez dipped his right shoulder into the helping Greek, used his own body as a shield
and drew a foul while getting off a clean shot.
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At the end of the game, in the hallway outside Spain’s locker room,
the NBA writer for a national publication nudged me as Fernandez went past
and said, “Well, you gonna anoint him already?”
Of course, someone get me some perfumed oil, or milk, or water, or maybe a vat of melted butter
because I’m certain that Fernandez and the NBA game were made for each other.
Consider him anointed.
He doesn’t need to gain much more weight, as some think.
He doesn’t need to get a lot stronger, as some claim. He’s quick, and wiry,
and playing with the kind of rare flair that makes him a walking mismatch
in a league that is all about creating them.
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Fernandez has an opportunity to give the Blazers a different gear.
And if Greg Oden develops healthy, and Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge grow, look out.
We’re talking Big Four, not three, and after seeing Fernandez up close, I’m a believer.
You may now rub melted butter all over this column and make it official.
Well then.
Looks like Canzano just found his anti-Darius.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on
Aug 10, 2008 11:44 AM PDT
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I should also mention that Canzano's in Beijing, and was at the game in person.
This is the first Rudy-centered report on last night’s game I’ve seen from someone who was there.
Sounds like Rudy may be a lot better in person than he looks on TV, which is all we’ve known.
Can’t wait until we get a lot more of seeing him play, as opposed to seeing a broadcast if him playing.
They’re NOT the same thing.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on
Aug 10, 2008 11:47 AM PDT
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And that he hated his defense at least as much as Dave
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they said a lot of the same things, just with different focus
conzono doesnt have to babysit his flock, Dave does. I think Dave is puting Rudicker-style-effort in to not letting us get too far off the resrvation wtih our expectations. hes keepin it real, with a focus on concern.
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
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Really
75% of the things I said about Rudy are positive. People just focus on the negative, I guess because it sticks out more or because it doesn’t fit as much with their hopes/expectations? I’d say Rudy plays for sure this year and has a chance to develop into something really nice, especially if he can connect on that shot.
—Dave
by Dave on
Aug 10, 2008 4:48 PM PDT
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I know!!
But your not pretending that hes the second coming of jordon either, your tempering our hopes and dreams with realistic expectations of impending adjustments, and offering insight to there visable proof. I like that. any dissapointment i may have expressed toward your offerings, were lightharted to be sure.
what I meen is that your going to give the good AND the bad, not just a few token lines acknowlaging the obvious. we get insight into the good and the bad. thats good. I appologize if my gratitude for your time and energy didn”t ring through. I don’t have the bennifitt of voice inflection, to assist my words.
i guess I should have said “with more of a focus on concern then conzano offered”
"I love Sheed. I wish he’d write a children’s book. Maybe he’d call it - How to $&%# Cuss Like a Big Boy."
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 5:19 PM PDT
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by the way
im watching the game again with a better picture, and his defence, at least through the first was… well….what is it those guys with the red flags say when the bull runs through it?
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 5:28 PM PDT
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But if I tell you that you stink
but I like your new suit and your shoes have a nice shine and you walk very confidently does that make this a positive post?
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
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Aug 11, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
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Please
The better comparison is, “You did well on your addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division but your fractions were way off and you need to study that section again.” And yes, that’s an 80% positive critique. Still a B on the test.
The whole idea of people taking personally anything less than a glowing report about their favorite players OR people taking personally anything positive said about players they hate is getting O…L…D. We had an entire season of it with Sergio and Jack and it was completely unpleasant all around. All of these guys from Brandon Roy (to a lesser extent) down to the rookies (likely to a greater extent) will have positive and negative things about their game. We talk about both around here. If people want a blow-by-blow, replay-friendly, example-by-example demonstration of what I’m talking about in any given critique or praise they can ask and I might be willing to do that from time to time. I do take watch the games carefully and take specific notes to back up the conclusions I post. However if people want a blog that’s just going to highlight the shiny parts of certain players and the negative parts of others while ignoring the rest they’re going to have to look elsewhere.
—Dave
by Dave on
Aug 11, 2008 5:16 PM PDT
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I hope your joking
That will totally mess up my plans for this season. I already have five “Fire Nate” diaries written. I shudder to think what RudyFTW will think of this development.
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by tominhawaii on
Aug 11, 2008 7:48 PM PDT
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What?
Are you saying that Roy has fatal flaws and isn’t a good fit for this team?!?
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Dave > Canzano
Canzano is a terrible judge of talent. Fernandez was not that good. He made some great plays, but Dave’s assessment was much closer to the truth. I would say Canzano needs to be reminded that Fernandez was playing against Greece, a team without any NBA players. The Greeks are a solid team, but they do not have a lot of athletes of NBA caliber, so it is not surprising that Rudy stood out.
Rudy does not have a great first step. Indeed, I’d say that’s his biggest weakness. Bayless has a great first step. Chris Paul has a great first step. Ginobili has a better first step than Rudy… Moreover, Dave nailed it when he said that Rudy has difficulty creating in traffic. He doesn’t have the shiftiness or craftiness of Roy or Paul Peirce when penetrating. He might be faster than both of those guys in a dead sprint, but he is not able to shake defenders free.
Wow. I actually came on he to say that I thought Dave’s assessment was a bit overly critical… but I just couldn’t help responding to Canzano… I think Dave identified all of the correct strengths and weaknesses of Rudy’s game, but I’m not sure he the weaknesses were quite as weak as his post made it sound. In particular, nn defense, Rudy was indeed playing an overly aggressive, gambling defense, but I judged this to be a strategy specific to this game rather than Rudy’s style of play because in the previous pre-Olympic games Rudy played farther off his man, went under screens, didn’t double team as much, etc. It appeared to me that Rudy was told to be the defensive disruptor for Spain, which he was, to some extent… Rudy’s performance against China did not give me the confidence that he’ll be a defensive stopper, but I don’t know that he’ll be attacked relentlessly as a weakness either.
To me, the game confirmed my suspicion that he would be an awesome complement to THE BIG three. He won’t be the fourth of the big three, he’ll be a play that plays particularly well with them.
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Aug 10, 2008 12:22 PM PDT
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I´m gonna love Canzano, one game and he´s sold.
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btw
Canzano wants a jersey
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I was going to disagree...
but you changed up after “Wow”.
I would agree Dave was a bit over critical. I think he had a better second half on defense. The main thing that I was impressed with was his quickness. It looks like he can become a good defender, a pest in fact, if he listens and learns from Nate and the rest.
I also thought offensively that Greece was employing a bit of a hack-a-Rudy technique whenever he got into the lane. This was hampering his ability to be creative once he got past his man. That is why his offense wasn’t going anywhere inside.
I was impressed but am still waiting to see it all translate into an NBA game.
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Aug 10, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
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hack-a-Rudy = bad strategy
Rudy can make his free throws.
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Agree
Dave was saying he looked like he wasn’t going anywhere inside. It looked to me that Rudy would get inside and the Greeks would foul him. I guess he only shot 4 free throws though. I don’t think I was being a homer since I didn’t really care if Spain won or not. It just seemed like when Navarro got inside he would get clean looks, when Rudy would get inside he had someone getting physical with him. I though it more stategy of the Greece team than Rudy wasn’t able to get free. They were making a concerted effort to stop him and not so much if others got into the middle.
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He only committed one foul himself.
So he still had a good fouls-drawn to fouls-committed ratio.
He consistently did in his Joventut games, I remember.
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by QualityPie on
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hmmm
Canzano is a terrible judge of talent. Fernandez was not that good.
KP is a fantastic judge of talent. period.
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by ptwnblzr on
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KP
KP has nothing to do with how Canzano described Rudy in the text above.
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no, thats true,your ringht about that.
but conzano is just offering a generic view of what KP allready believes, that Rudy will make a difference.
your choice of canzano being a terrible judge of talent, implies that rudy is not talented. Your bold statement that Fernandez was not good, when he was the best player on a team of NBA talents make it sound as though your just trying to take the “trendy” aproach to rudy. you know, not liking a band that everybody else like, to give the apparience of discernment.
KP thinks highly of Rudy, he played well, maybee not NBA allstar leve, but still played well. and you want to act like people who think he could matter, are terrible in there assesment? and THEN try to assert that he was somehow just not that good? really?
"I love Sheed. I wish he’d write a children’s book. Maybe he’d call it - How to $&%# Cuss Like a Big Boy."
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Aug 10, 2008 3:54 PM PDT
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Not that good.
By “not that good” I meant that Rudy was not as good as Canzano’s description would suggest… The world “that” was referring to Canzano’s description. More importantly, I think Canzano didn’t even describe his game accurately. I wonder if he was even watching the right player (seriously).
For example he said, “[I]t was a relief to see Fernandez consistently beat his defender off the dribble with a great first step.”
In the first half, Rudy scored exactly zero times by beating his man off the dribble. I double checked the first half… couldn’t recall exactly, but he did it twice at most in the second half.
Here’s how he scored in the first half:
1. Lay-in off of a pass from the opening tip. Clearly a full court play.
2. Hit a three point shot.
3. Stole the ball and raced for a a 1 on 0 slam.
4. Spectacular rebound put-back.
He beat his man and was fouled for a non-shooting foul once. He scored 7 points in the second half, three of which were on a 3 point shot, so I have no idea how Canzano can write that Rudy “beat his man off the dribble consistently.”
I think Rudy does a lot of good things. In fact, if you read my original post, I actually said I thought he was a little better than Dave did. The point is, if some one were to read Canzono’s column and then watch the next game with Spain, that person would most likely be quite disappointed.
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yeah
im watching the game a second time right now myself, i thought he had 2 3pointers in the first quarter? maybee im wrong, im wrong alot. I havent seen him beat his man off the first step yet, but he doesnt look bad either. i think hes just playing within the team offence, unless they just come easy. no reason to think he kant do those things yet, but again i could be wrong. and there is certainly alot of room for you to be right about his first step. so in a nutshell, so far through my second viewing, Ide have to say your right. and appologize for my emotionally charged attack.
try italycs when the emphasis needs to be on a certain word
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About the Greeks and the Rush to Judgement
A couple of quick points:
1) Americans have been underestimating Greek basketball for decades. I lived in the country for almost a year and was astonished with the popularity of the game there, how many Greek youths played the game, how sound so much of the coaching was, and how fundamentally sound they usually play. And they’re both physically and mentally tough. Just ask the 2004 U.S. Olympic team that the Greeks beat. I am not convinced that the best Olympic teams, of which Greece is one, are not at least as good as some of the lower rung NBA teams. If Greece was NOT a good test of Rudy’s talent, what does that say about those losing 2004 American NBA players like LeBron James, Tim Duncan and Allen Iverson?
2) Having said this, however, I think it’s hard to reach firm conclusions about Rudy. This is not because he played against the Greeks, but because this is the only game most of us have seen him play. For this reason, I prefer Dave’s restraint to Canzano’s gushing. Canzano may ultimately be right, but we won’t know until some time into the season, if then. And that’s the Truth.
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Thats the truth!!
"I love Sheed. I wish he’d write a children’s book. Maybe he’d call it - How to $&%# Cuss Like a Big Boy."
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Don't the Greeks have a guy
who plays for the Rockets?
im not a businessman, im a business, maan
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More commonly known as “T-Mac”.
Blazers have a five-on-three...and they pull it back and wait for help.
by QualityPie on
Aug 10, 2008 12:40 PM PDT
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Wow
I never knew that lost so much in translation. Must be a whole Greek to English type thing huh?
by SpyderRyder on
Aug 10, 2008 1:23 PM PDT
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Nice!
"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi
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by TheThinWhiteDuke on
Aug 10, 2008 1:59 PM PDT
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"Notwinaplaov" is TMac's Middle Name
'77
by LaoTzu on
Aug 11, 2008 3:09 PM PDT
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Vasileios Spanoulis
V-Span: I was McGrady back home.
Coach Jeff Van Gundy: Great. McGrady is McGrady here.
by trk on
Aug 10, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
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Geez, Dave
That’s a lot of conclusions from one game! That goes for Canzano too, even acknowledging that he was there in person. I say let’s acquire a little more data before we get too carried away one way or the other. Rudy fever indeed!
Incidentally: Canzano is shocked to learn that Rudy can get off the floor. Has this guy ever heard of YouTube??
"We don't back down to nobody." --Joel Przybilla
by hurryup09 on
Aug 10, 2008 12:43 PM PDT
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only shocked at "how much he could get off the floor"
and he made mention of grainy youtube clips i think. In a vacume, I think Daves take is acurate. But cops look for more then one witness for a reason, so I like canzonos view as well. Although Dave is taking the wizer aproach and not devorcing his wife for some rudy-man-love. And since KP has been so high on him, we have to start looking at and disecting his game. We just have too. I think we can safely expect(hope for) a game by game break down of rudys play/style/projected-nba-impact from dave that evolves with additional input.
I’m ok with that
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
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Am I the only one who thought the Spanish team, including Rudy, played a lot like Sergio.
The drives to the basket for no reason then an impossible shot that was…impossible. Matador defense and clanking free throws. If I had to watch Spain play basketball I would go back to football.
I could be wrong now. But I don't think so!
by Kampeska on
Aug 10, 2008 12:48 PM PDT
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Defense is a bit like a rorschach test,
people often see what the want to see, and then pick out the good or bad of it based on their own feelings of the player.
True I did see Rudy take some risks that would not fly as well in the NBA, but other times I saw him play lockdown D on his man, cutting him off on every outlet and while I agree that he did not fight through the screens as well as some may of liked, I feel that has more to do with the overall defensive philosophy of the Spanish team as a whole.
At times it was great to watch them play D as a team, almost flawlessly sometimes, leaving Greece with only a fadeaway 3 with a second on the shot clock. The fact that Spain plays team D, as hopefully we will, shows that ou can have an over agressive player on the wing if you have enough trust in your teammates to back you up.
Also Rudy was playing against Spanoulis who was the leading scorer and assist man in the Greek league, so not that he would compare to a starting NBA SG, he is no scrub who just happened to be playing against a bad defender in Rudy.
Lastly, I have long made the case that Rudy plays very similarly to Ray Allen, with his lighting quick release, as many have noted here, and accuracy, his ability to slash and get into the lane and pull-up for a 10 ft jumper and his questionable D. What is promising is that even though Allen is a questionable D’er, if you surround him with good D playersas in Bos, he is smart enough to know where his help is coming from to be effective.
Hopefully Rudy will be given enough of a leash defensively to allow LMA, Webster, TO, and Oden to figure out how to play help D as in the NBA game nobody can defend players like K*be, LeBron, Paul, or Parker 1 on 1, but rather the trick is for the beaten player, learning how to rotate down to the open post player that your C leaves so he has no outlet pass and is forced to go 1 on 1 against Oden in the paint.
by SpyderRyder on
Aug 10, 2008 1:38 PM PDT
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I agree
there were things to like in his D. I think he’ll do fine within a team defensive strategy. Also, I think the desire is there—he played hard on the defensive end, if not always super effectively. As David Thorpe of ESPN is fond of pointing out, this should be considered a skill, the ability to give effort, and it really can make the difference on defense. I wonder if Dave (BE Dave) was looking too hard for negatives, so as to not come across as overly optimistic. This dude’s a basketball player, we’re unbelievably lucky to be adding him to the roster.
by BrailleTaser on
Aug 10, 2008 5:54 PM PDT
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maybee
maybee were just looking too hard for possitives, so as not to come down off our collevtive high, and was overly sensitive to any percieved negatives. Its not everyday that we are able to add someone through to the team with as little downside as Oden, we shouldn’t be too suprised if we dont draft michael every time.
But yeah, I think Dave was just putting honest effort to calling it with his best accuracy, the good and the bad.
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--- tominhawaii on May 29, 2008 6:29 PM PDT
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 6:12 PM PDT
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I think that Rudy played right about where I expected him to...
I think you can tally up 12-15 points every game, and he will get those points in a variety of ways. Hopefully, we will get a nice explosion or two when he goes off for 25, but he really doesn’t look to score nearly as much as he did at DKV. He didn’t show much of the passing ability that I know he has, but there is still more B-ball to watch. All in all, I think he showed he knows how to play solid team ball, he only forced up 1 or 2 questionable shots and played unselfish, team ball the entire game.
I also agree with most in here that Dave was a bit overcritical of Rudy’s defense, I thought it was pretty good when he wasn’t gambling in the passing lanes. I believe the Spain coach wants Rudy gambling for steals and going behind pick and rolls. I think they want their opponents to take quick long shots with hopes of getting a long rebound and pushing the tempo. In the second half he seemed to be more concentrated on playing man to man D and not sagging off his man lurking for steals, and I thought he showed promise defensively in that half. Is he going to be a lockdown defender? No, but I think he can be just as adequate as a Webster or Outlaw, and his offensive game trumps them in terms of versatility. All in all, I think Rudy is going to be a great fit in Portland, I am not going to go all Canzano on you guys, but he is the real deal if you ask me. Besides, I already anointed him last summer when I saw him play in the Eurobasket, he is a P, I, M, P….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on
Aug 10, 2008 2:09 PM PDT
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Yup
You’re mancrush is well documented.
I like cheese.
by tominhawaii on
Aug 10, 2008 3:37 PM PDT
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Mancrush???
Come on Tommy boy, call it like it is. Obsession is far more accurate….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on
Aug 10, 2008 4:41 PM PDT
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I was using BE terminology for familiarity.
I like cheese.
by tominhawaii on
Aug 10, 2008 6:32 PM PDT
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Solid broadcast team...
I don’t think anyone has written on this topic yet, so I’ll be the first to tip my hat to NBC for hiring quality basketball announcers to travel to Bejing. Steve “Snapper” Jones did a nice job covering the Spain game and he may be my favorite NBA announcer. Doug Collins is no slouch either. I’m just glad that I haven’t had to listen to Costas or Gumble ramble on for hours. Throwing Bill “Braindead” Walton in to announce some of the Greek names maybe a solid comedic experiment. Maybe in London.
by PtownJake on
Aug 10, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
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Location
I thought it was a little weird that they covered the game from NY, but I guess the recession has hit even NBC Sports.
by torsoheap on
Aug 10, 2008 4:28 PM PDT
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I don't think they could get tickets!
Seriously there must be 50 or more broadcast teams that do this game so having them do it remotely might be the only option.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Aug 11, 2008 6:35 PM PDT
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They should have hired Rice,,,
Listening to him brutalize every foreign players name would be hilarious and worth watching all in its lonesome….
RUDY > MJ
by myemic23 on
Aug 10, 2008 4:40 PM PDT
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Solid broadcast?
They weren’t even telling us who was coming into the game. I guess they couldn’t tell either unless a camera happened to pan over the substitutes. Were they really just watching the game on monitors in NY?
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by tssbro on
Aug 10, 2008 5:47 PM PDT
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Yup
The mention it a few times and at halftime the lady host says, “We’re back her in NY with Snapper da kine.” Then her and Snapper talked about da kine for a little bit.
I like cheese.
by tominhawaii on
Aug 10, 2008 6:33 PM PDT
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Two gems from the Snapper
The first was when one of the Greeks made a splendid move that lost his defender but unfortunately put him right in the middle of the Spanish front line, where he launched a wild miss. Steve: “That’s the classic million-dollar move followed by a ten-cent shot.”
The other comment was on the scruffy, bearded appearance of the Gasol brothers: “(Marc) looks a lot like Pau. They’ve both got that ‘mad artist’ look.” (I’d never looked at it that way, but indeed they do. I should really dig into that unread copy of “Dear Theo” over by my nightstand).
Lord, I miss Steve.
by Modal Rounder on
Aug 10, 2008 9:00 PM PDT
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Nice!
i had to watch some hacked thread, with spanich anouncers, then tih gave up the adress for the olympcs home page, but your just watching the feed as though your in the stands, with no commentary. the gasol quotes perfect.
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 10:29 PM PDT
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Why the Walton hatred?
Personally, I think Walton is one of the most hilarious, underappreciated basketball announcers out there. He’s kind of like a slightly less senile, ex-stoner, basketball version of John Madden, who also says hilarious things.
All I know is, when he tells me to look at Najera running beautifully down the floor, I look.
by joelor on
Aug 11, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
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After the Pan American games last year
I wanted never to hear him again! He seemed to talk as though he was being paid by the word and was a year behind on the vig. Not a word about the actual play in those games.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Aug 11, 2008 6:39 PM PDT
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argh
I totally missed this game and Tivo failed me. Does anyone know where I can see video highlights or the entire game?
by Roycity on
Aug 10, 2008 7:36 PM PDT
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TiH stuck this link in The Junk Drawer
"He doesn't let grass grow under his feet when there are points to be had." - Dave
by BlueBooYay on
Aug 10, 2008 7:53 PM PDT
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This summary is trying to hard to come off as unbiased. He was the best player out there hands down.
He may have had a few defensive slip ups but I don’t think I ever saw him take a possession off. You have to be delusional to think his defense is bad. So many stars in the NBA don’t even play defense, like Carmelo Anthony. He just needs better coaching and he’ll be fine.
by BRoyInThe4th on
Aug 10, 2008 7:52 PM PDT
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Personally
I thought Calderon looked better. Obviously they played different positions and had different roles, but it seemed to me that Calderon controlled the pace of the game pretty well, and had a greater overall influence. Not to take away from Rudy though, I thought he looked great as well.
There was one guy from Greece too that I was impressed with. I can’t remember which guard it was, but he was exceptional at getting to the basket and penetrating. I’m anxious to see how well he’ll do that against the US team. He seemed apt enough to pull it off.
by MavetheGreat on
Aug 10, 2008 9:42 PM PDT
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Spandulis
That was the guy that impressed me on Greece’s team
by MavetheGreat on
Aug 10, 2008 10:05 PM PDT
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Rudy's defense
Many people have commented already, but I’d like to join with the crowd who have expressed some relief about Rudy’s defensive capabilities. We’ve heard so much recently about how flawed it is that I was expecting to cringe whenever Rudy’s man touched the ball. He held his own I thought, and at times looked to truly bother his man.
Of the two concerns I had, Dave mentioned one. I do recall a couple plays where Rudy allowed his man to blaze an unimpeded trail to the hoop. That wasn’t pretty, but Spandulis did that to all the Spanish players, not just Rudy. The other concern I had is that Rudy’s defensive energy seemed to come from his offensive production. I think it was in the 3rd quarter when Rudy had a burst of points, and he was really pesky, poking at the ball and getting up on his man near midcourt. I guess when energy on one side of the court is contagious to the other side it can’t be that bad, but I would’ve liked to see that level of defensive energy more consistently. He did only play 22 minutes.
About the quick first step, I think he’s got one. I didn’t notice it in one primary situation, but instead here and there in various situations. He did break by his guy to the hoop several times (not all of which did he seem to have a plan when he got there), and he also had a quick step off the ball. I think that quickness will help him on defense in the NBA. Perhaps he’ll have to adjust to a different kind of defensive pressure, but I’m confident he’ll be able to do that.
Lastly, how about the way Spain approaches the opening tip? I’ve seen them do this before on Youtube, but it appears that Gasol tipped it the way the Greeks seemed to want to tip it, but the Spanish player was there and Rudy had already made a break to the hoop.
by MavetheGreat on
Aug 10, 2008 10:03 PM PDT
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my favorit rudy defensive moment
was when he was closing in on the 3 point shooter, then bought the pass fake, and literally ran way from the guy draining the open three. oh wait, no, that wasn’t my favorite at all.
that opening tip-off was outstanding.
I think, if I remember right, that rudys d picked up in the second half, but im only through 2 quarters.
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 10:36 PM PDT
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Wasn't he trying to gauard two defenders at the same time? He was constantly trying to guard two players because his team mates were out of position.
by BRoyInThe4th on
Aug 10, 2008 10:51 PM PDT
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actually
on that play it seams he was, the double team down low left him making decisions, and like in that indiana jones movie, “He chose porely”
"I love Sheed. I wish he’d write a children’s book. Maybe he’d call it - How to $&%# Cuss Like a Big Boy."
--- tominhawaii on May 29, 2008 6:29 PM PDT
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by ptwnblzr on
Aug 10, 2008 11:05 PM PDT
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I was hearing Spanoulis never got play in the NBA and was released by the Spurs.
Not every body is cut out for the NBA. He might make it back to the league though.
I think the reason Calderon looked better is because he is a much more cocky than the other players. He loves to take the big shots as much as any body and he has a lot of NBA experience. I think Rudy looked better for a player that doesn’t have all the NBA experience that Calderon has. In 2006 Rudy didn’t stand out at all, now it looks like he is taking over the team.
by BRoyInThe4th on
Aug 10, 2008 10:50 PM PDT
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Definately not a Small Forward!!!
Based strictly off my observations of the first half of the Greece – Spain game, Rudy is a two guard who will not be able to defend the NBA SF or PG. Dave’s opinion is correct, his defense is suspect and it could hurt his playing time with Nate. Let’s face it, one of the same reason why Sergio doesn’t get more play.
One thing I notice is he create’s best for himself off the dribble. Two problems, in the first unit that will be Brandon’s role. In the second unit, that will be Bayless role.
It will be truly interesting to see how Nate uses Rudy in the upcoming season. I feel Pritchard and Blazer management gave Rudy a committment of 20 mpg to come over and if he can’t defend better and shoot lights out from the perimeter, I don’t know how he’s going to get those minutes?
Again, that is just one half of one game and I’m no expert. Just as of right now, I’m way higher on what Bayless can add to this team. For Rudy, I see some potential problems!
by RIP CITY on
Aug 11, 2008 12:28 AM PDT
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I think you're correct
about Rudy being cemented into the shooting guard role, at least defensively, in the NBA. Small forwards would post the heck out of him and point guards would drive past him. I’m not feeling the “creates off of the dribble” thing as much yet unless by that you mean he receives the ball from someone else with some space around him. That’s certainly possible with his off-ball movement. But I don’t think the Blazers are going to be able to stick him out on the wing, throw him the ball, and then watch him create. He does seem like the kind of guy who will be great to have when Roy, Bayless, or Sergio drives the lane. He won’t just stand there watching. Hopefully he’ll cut into space and get open for a jumper or a dish, drive, and dunk.
—Dave
by Dave on
Aug 11, 2008 1:30 AM PDT
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Thanks Dave
Rudy sure made me proud watching him play with such tenacity. I sure can’t wait to watch him play with the Blazers.
by RudyFTW on
Aug 11, 2008 3:28 AM PDT
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Did you see that pic...
...of Rudy and The Spaniards makin’ “Slanty Eyes”?
What did you think of that?
"He doesn't let grass grow under his feet when there are points to be had." - Dave
by BlueBooYay on
Aug 11, 2008 8:51 PM PDT
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I'm OK with it, it's kind of like the Michael Vick thing
They’re just athletes and they don’t know any better. Everyone should cut them some slack. I just hope Brandon Roy can forgive him.
by RudyFTW on
Aug 12, 2008 1:08 AM PDT
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The impression I was most taken with was quickness
Dave noted this as well. The Greek guards seemed very quick and Rudy seemed to stay with these smaller players in the open court, matching quickness. That is hard to teach (like teaching Zach to jump).
I was not discouraged at all with Rudy’s play (I did not get to see the 1st quarter). I do remember Snapper saying that these teams were evenly matched as far as talent. I did a double take on that but in watching the game i saw the Greek players holding their own playing good team ball on offense and defense. They might beat the USA again.
The other factor a few have touched on is that Rudy was a clear game changer. His energy and confidence seemed to lift his team (as well as the pressure defense they used). Even Snapper commented on this.
Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."
by lee3022 on
Aug 11, 2008 6:49 PM PDT
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If Rudy can't guard Chris Paul and Deron Williams, then what is the point in adding him to the roster?
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Aug 11, 2008 7:51 PM PDT
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