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Blazers dissapointed in Bayless's skills?

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From Isaac Ropp's blog on 1080thefan.com:

After getting a look at him over the last few days, the word is the Blazers are a bit stunned by how less far along Bayless is than they thought. Remember, they didn't work him out prior to the draft. This is why he fell from a potential top-5 pick to #11. He will play almost exclusively at the point guard spot so be patient. That isn't an easy transition and it will take time. This is not an immediate impact player, folks. I would expect him to play no more than 15 minutes per game early on. However, it appears he's got a mean streak a mile wide which this team definitely needs.

(emphasis added)

If it's true, I think it means we might not see as much of Bayless this year as we thought. However, I don't think it takes anything away from his potential. It just sounds like he might need to spend a longer time training.

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What is their source for that statement? I don't trust those guys.

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by annthefan on Jul 9, 2008 8:33 PM PDT   0 recs

"the word"

Never doubt the Word. Actually, come to think of it, I always expected him to get less than 15 minutes early in the season.

by pualo on Jul 9, 2008 8:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Same here.

15 minutes per game is pretty good compared to what I envisioned during his rookie year.

by bocious on Jul 9, 2008 11:09 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No kidding. We already have two other rookies coming in who will probably play more minutes than Bayless. If the team found 15mpg of playing time for Bayless right from the beginning of the season I would be surprised. This is not a statement about the kid’s talent as much as it about the team’s depth and having experienced players on the floor.

As for Bayless, I think Portland will be a good fit for him and vice versa. He can play for real, and his strengths fit right in with what the team needs. He has the physical ability and mental drive to become a premier defender at the point. If this ever comes to pass the rest of league will be put on notice.

lickety-brindle

by Billy Ray Bates on Jul 10, 2008 10:02 AM PDT to parent up   2 recs

Experienced Players?

If JB’s getting ousted by experienced players, who (other than Blake) are we talking about, exactly? Sergio?

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 10, 2008 11:53 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

I second that ATF

half the time i think both those guys are full of crap

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 9, 2008 8:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too

and the other half of the time I think they’re asleep

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by 92wastheyear on Jul 9, 2008 9:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Is it possible

that they could be both at the same time?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 2:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It sounds as though

their comments have an heir of ” truthiness” to them.

It is very possible that Bayless will not be the second coming of Chris Paul next season.

by NWfan on Jul 10, 2008 9:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Prediction:

Bayless receives the Jarrett Jack treatment from Blazer fans about a week or so before th All-Star break.

Book it.

by knickfan on Jul 9, 2008 8:41 PM PDT   0 recs

the knicks dont get lebron

book it

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE

by CroRupt on Jul 9, 2008 8:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Brooklyn Nets

2 books and a magazine…and maybe a readers digest on that

Life is exhausting when you are this stupid.

by jonestr on Jul 9, 2008 11:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

BK Nets

Would be playing just down the street from me, which would be rad, but they only play PTB twice a year!

RipCity -- now, now ...

by Y5k on Jul 10, 2008 10:09 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Vote Sam Bowie as Greatest "Other" Blazer Ever.

by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 10, 2008 1:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

That Reminds Me..

of the time I shook hands with Barney.

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by 12sharks on Jul 10, 2008 11:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

How dare you.

Vote Sam Bowie as Greatest "Other" Blazer Ever.

by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 11, 2008 2:56 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i heard the same thing

But, really, that really means nothing. Wait until we see him play in summer league, then we’ll know a lot more about this Bayless cat. Summer league is made for guards.

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by mark twain on Jul 9, 2008 8:54 PM PDT   0 recs

If

...he bombs in summer league, what will that tell us?

...he stars in summer league, what will that tell us?

Not necessarily anything at all.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 2:52 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

as a wise man once said

it will tell us that summer league is worthless (sorta contrasts against my original point, eg?)... My point is, um, you know what, I don’t have a point… I’m going to eat my lunch now.

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by mark twain on Jul 10, 2008 1:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

LUNCH TIME!

You’ve got a GREAT point, and it’s probably more important than any Blazers’ related point before training camp.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 11, 2008 3:17 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Part of the problem with Bayless

Is that people usually overhype rookies to an endless degree then become so worried that they are overhyping him that they underhype him and basically make it like he can’t play at all.

I think Bayless will be a solid player for us. I expect somewhere around 15-20 mins a game, maybe 8 pgg and 4 apg with a PER somewhere around 12. Not great, but not worthless.

I remember an NBA scout once said that Martell was the worst player taken in his draft and would be out of the league in a couple years (read it on TrueHoop IIRC). You just gotta take all this with a grain of salt.

by AndrewD on Jul 9, 2008 8:57 PM PDT   0 recs

HAHA seriously... ?

That scout should not have a job.

That which prematurely arrives at perfection soon perishes. - Marcus Fabius Quintilian (35-95AD) Roman Rhetorician, Critic

by BlazerFan1 on Jul 9, 2008 9:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Top 5 Favorite Over-Hyped Rookies:

1. Harold Miner “Baby-Jordan” is WAY TOO MUCH HYPE for a nickname that was so far off base.
2. Darius Miles: Good enough to stick around and get a couple contracts and cash in on the Hype
3. Kwame Brown: You ever wonder how so many people can be so wrong?
4. Michael Olowakandi: How many times has size forced a bad draft-day decision in the NBA?
5. Derrick Rose: I know he could prove me wrong, but I don’t think so, he is very young and inexperienced.

by Portland Dynasty on Jul 11, 2008 12:44 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

the fan sucks

Its all about The Game.

President of the Petteri Koponen fan club.

by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2008 9:06 PM PDT   0 recs

+1

Besides thos 2 doofuses what does the fan have anymore?

N-O-T-H-I-N-G.

That piece a while back about this market only supporting 1 sports channel is but a short time away. I just hope they do not get a slot on the Game when 1080 goes down.

Mike Barrett, Mike Rice, Gavin, Wheels and Tone, Duck and Seahawk football, and on top of that Blazer games, all on the FM dial?? vs Big Suck and issac? How can you even compare the two, it’s no contest.
I just hope they can get Jill Savage on the game as she makes my knees weak, I swear.

by SpyderRyder on Jul 9, 2008 9:25 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

would be even better

if I didn’t have to hear dumb Seahawks talk. I can’t stand the Seahawks.

myspace.com/marktwainindians

by mark twain on Jul 9, 2008 9:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Let me guess

You are a Radiers fan. LOL

Can I buy you a fish sandwich?

by silkybrown on Jul 9, 2008 10:42 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

49ers actually

imagine what i’ve been going through as a 49ers and Blazers fan, especially when both teams were sucking at the same time. Now just the niners suck.

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by mark twain on Jul 9, 2008 11:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel you brother.

I pray that the either the smith experiment take large leaps and that we get a star level qb out of him this year, (in my dreams), or that us 49er fans be put out of our misery. It’s blasphemous how bad the 49ers are at QB right now. At least Patrick Willis is a major beast. That dude is gonna tear it up for the next 8-10 years.

by premthegrem on Jul 10, 2008 12:11 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

Koponen - PG of the future. Book it.

by Blazerholic on Jul 10, 2008 12:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You guys gotta get some perspective

Buffalo Bills here. Since the beginning. Dim memories of Montana dismantling my team in the Superbowl.

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by CatMan2 on Jul 10, 2008 12:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

umm dude,

those must not be real memories, cuz the 49ers never played the Bills in any superbowl

by premthegrem on Jul 12, 2008 12:48 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ha Ha

Remember Darrell Jackson? He was on the cover of ESPN the magazine last year saying he was going to light up the league.

My Laker friend here is a 49ers fan. I think by default, that makes you a Lakers fan. I wonder if that’s the rudest thing ever typed on BE.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 9:02 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Jackson

I was upset with the niners for that signing. Since I “get” to see so many Seahawks games, I knew that guy wasn’t going to help.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Jul 10, 2008 10:00 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My Laker friend was loving him...

Until the season started. Ha Ha. Silly Jackson, receivers should catch.

Because my friend is a Laker fan, I root against everything he likes. He told me he liked Do-si-dos, Thin Mints, and Samoas, so a punched a Girl Scout in the face.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 3:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hate to break this to you

It might be hard to imagine since you have been on an island for so long but SF anf LA are quite a ways apart. Not only in distance, but in culture as well. Don’t get me wrong. SF is still in California but it is certainly no LA.

Maybe your friend’s love for the Niners is a sign that redemption is still a possibility. It can’t be as bad as a guy I know who is a huge L@ker fan and a Bronco fan. I can’t believe I actually can still talk to the guy.

PTB Liberation Day - 2/10/04

by tssbro on Jul 11, 2008 6:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hawaii is different

Most people like the the Raiders and Lakers because they are on TV a lot. After that they go by family or just some team they watched a lot. There are a lot of band wagon fans here.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 11, 2008 12:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sounds like Vegas

That’s how my bro-bro said Las Vegas was when he lived there. He moved only a year ago, so I doubt things have changed. Nuthin’ but bad drivers and bandwagony fans. LOTSA Laker fans, or whoever is good at the time.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 11, 2008 12:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Fan Seahawks Coverage

I love the Seahawks, but couldn’t stand the Seahawks talk on The Fan when I lived in Portland. They had nothing to discuss that I hadn’t already heard or read somewhere else. It seems like if they’re going to cover an out of market team, they should at least do it well so they can justify it somehow.

On a similar note, the Sonics move makes me wonder if the Blazers will get more attention in Seattle, and I wonder if the coverage will be good or if it will be like The Fan’s coverage of the Seahawks.

by bocious on Jul 9, 2008 11:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Q: what does the fan have?

A: the mariners.

I just threw up in my mouth.

by shralpster on Jul 9, 2008 9:53 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

not really fair

It’s not fair to talk so badly about 1080. They do a good job. So hold your bias please.

Vote Sam Bowie as Greatest "Other" Blazer Ever.

by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 10, 2008 2:00 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Why isn't it fair?

He says they suck. You say they do a good job. Both of your views are subjective opinions, and you can both make arguments to defend your points, so what’s the difference between you stating your bias and him stating his?

by bocious on Jul 10, 2008 6:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I guess my point is

That its not fair for a sandbag of negativity to be unleashed on 1080. I realize and understand that 95.5 has won over most of the radio listeners, but its not fair for everyone to suddenly start hating on the station that promoted, and critisized our teams before just because there is a new flavor of the month.

I think they both do a good job. You are right Bocious, I just think there is not a fair bias being floated around, and 1080 deserves more respect, They still report on the Blazers more than they do on any other team. They care about Portland Sports. Why hate on Portland radio? They get paid for being biased. Maybe they do suck, but at least its something different, right? Why completely hate on them?

Vote Sam Bowie as Greatest "Other" Blazer Ever.

by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 11, 2008 2:51 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

What is a fair bias, anyway?

Is that the same as a nice L*ker fan?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 11, 2008 3:19 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Portland Radio

Why root for a competion?

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by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 11, 2008 3:53 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Ah

Let me rephrase that.

Why root for a station to have dominance over the other? We are a small markert and I feel lucky to have 2 stations that are dedicated to my favorite team.

I personally hate the cheap shots the stations make at each other (DAWSON), but I understand its the nature of the business.

Maybe im in a minority as a 1080 fan, but please don’t fault me for it. Afterall we are all rooting for the same team aren’t we?

Vote Sam Bowie as Greatest "Other" Blazer Ever.

by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 11, 2008 3:59 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You are absolutely right OiR. I do feel that 1080 probably

isn’t as informed about the Blazers as 95.5 is. However, 95.5 is under more of a constraint in reporting on anything negative because it is owned by Paul Allen. I guess it’s up to me to filter the information on offer and find a balance. Abby Hoffman said he watched 4 hrs. of TV a day in order to know what his enemy was doing.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 11, 2008 5:10 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Very nice

annthefan, you hit it right on the head.

by parkinglotj on Jul 11, 2008 9:44 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

My dumb joke failed

fair bias is self contradictory. That was my dumb point.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 11, 2008 8:57 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You mean "dull point", right?

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by CatMan2 on Jul 11, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This guy's sharp

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 12, 2008 6:05 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Agreed!

I must have been in a coma – didn’t even know 95.5 The Game was on the air. Ropp’s OK – but Suke’s voice is about 3 octaves too high. He whines all the time. As far as solid sports, especially the Blazers – I’m done with the Fan – The Game is where it’s at.

THE PURE AND SIMPLE TRUTH IS RARELY PURE AND NEVER SIMPLE -Oscar Wilde

(Bunburying in Portland)

by Bunburying08 on Jul 9, 2008 9:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

The fan has Dan Patrick

He’s the only reason I every listen to The Fan anymore. The man cracks me up. I hope the game picks up his show when The Fan goes down

For Blazer fans who go lusting,
A new point guard is that sexy girl.
Trade Machine's their pornography,
For one they'll give away the world.

-T Darkstar

by KobeStoppa on Jul 9, 2008 10:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

And that's just it!

I love DP too. He’s the first podcast I listen to these days. He bumped Mike & Mike.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 9:04 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

He's 19

Anyone who expects an all-star season is in for a disappointment. Bayless was a solid upside pick but he’s not going to be better than Jack on day 1.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 9, 2008 9:23 PM PDT   0 recs

Eh, I think you are being pessimistic there

I’m not sure about that. It’s not like Jack was a world beater by any margin. He was a pretty poor defender, spotty jump shooter and a below average passer for a point guard. He could take it to the hoop and that was about it.

Bayless can too and he’s a far better shooter. They both have similar builds (is Bayless taller?) but Jerryd is quicker and much more explosive. It’s fair to say he won’t bring the intangibles, or the fire Jack brought last year, but I could see Bayless averaging 9pts a game like Jack last year. I mean if you think about it Jack was basically made into a shooting guard last year, except… he really couldn’t shoot.

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by Dheepan on Jul 9, 2008 9:40 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I say the jury is out until the games begin

Wasn’t Bayless a Wooden Award finalist? And playing out of postion none the less? I say the only thing Jack has over him is experience. I think Bayless will cause us to forget about Jack really quickly. The one thing Jarrett Jack did that was a consistant positive is “drive to the basket”. Bayless is much quicker and more athletic than Jack. Should be fun to watch. We have a good starting unit. It is going to be our bench, however, that is really going to be the major difference.

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by silkybrown on Jul 9, 2008 10:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

If Bayless knows the difference between "inbounds" and "out of bounds"

He is better. He’s also better if he knows what a fast break is and what to do during one.

by Bedhead on Jul 10, 2008 2:06 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I totally

Agree. I would cringe every time Jack was leading a fast break.

by twiggs on Jul 10, 2008 12:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hmm

A. “Anyone who expects an all-star season is in for a disappointment.” - of course. I think he has that kidn of talent, but as you said, he’s 19. Give it 4-5 years for that.
B. “Not better than Jack on day 1.” - not so sure. I think he’ll be a better individual on-the-ball defender than Jack from the start. He may also be a better scorer. He will also make even more mistakes than Jack did at first. He won’t be as good in a team defensive scheme as Jack was at first. He won’t play as much at first, either. (Jack wouldn’t have played as much on this year’s team, though). Better than Jack? Perhaps, for what we need him to do, he will be. In the long run, he certainly will be.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 2:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can easily agree with this

I think Bayless may take 5-20 games to be better than Jack. Definitely not on day 1 though.

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by ratbastird on Jul 10, 2008 7:55 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I have a hard time believing this...

So are we supposed to assume that all of the pro scouts got this one wrong that he actually isn’t good at all? Really, I doubt so many people who are paid to know exactly how good a player is suck at their job. If he’s terrible, why did we have him at 4 on our draft board?

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by Muad'Dib on Jul 9, 2008 9:54 PM PDT   0 recs

I watched his 2nd game at Arizona..

Wow, you could sure see the talent. It was early in the season and he did make some mistakes, but he was the 2nd best player on the court. Singletary from Virginia was the best, but again this was Bayless’ 2nd game.
Blayless showed great lateral movement. He was able to stay with Singletary on almost every play, making him pass off several times. Singletary scored mostly against Arizona’s zone.
Bayless had a couple of outstanding passes (one terrific fast break pass) and he was the quickest player out there.
This is the only game that I’ve seen solely looking a Bayless. He had 21 pts and had his hand in lots of defensive plays.

I know this was only one game, but I think that you all will see a pretty darn good player in summer league.

by parkinglotj on Jul 9, 2008 10:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

A workout is a small part of it

The INTERVIEW is important to me, but how the dude played during his college career and the scouting and interviews with teachers, coaches, parents, friends, that’s all more important than a One on None workout.

Those workouts are nice and help you get a feel for the player, just like an interview, but it’s very low on the totem pole of important factors in drafting. Everyone looks great in a One person workout.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 10, 2008 10:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No wonder people thinks you are KP himeself

Mortimer: "It’ll be so nice I’ll need microfracture—ON MY WEINER."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 10, 2008 7:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure...

Mortimer = KP’s Evil Twin.

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by Portland Dynasty on Jul 11, 2008 1:12 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

pickup games

i read somewhere that bayless doesn’t like playing pickup games, maybe he doesn’t bring it 100% in practice and pickup games, and keeps a more mental approach, so he can bring it during game situations?

by contemnor on Jul 9, 2008 10:28 PM PDT   0 recs