Who would you protect in an expansion draft?
There's been a lot of talk in the media about whether or not Seattle deserves to get another NBA team. The most likely scenario would seem to be the relocation of a current franchise (e.g. Da Grizz, Bobcats). The other option would be an expansion franchise.
Another NBA team would be could potentially be an extreme nuisance for our beloved Trail Blazers. Not because it would create NBA competition in the PNW, the team has dealt with that for years, but because it would result in an expansion draft.
Here are the details on how the expansion draft would work:
http://www.insidehoops.com/nba-expansion-rules.shtml
To summarize, each existing NBA team protects 8 players, and the expansion team gets to select any unprotected players. Teams can only lose one player. Unrestricted free agents are considered unaffiliated and thus do not need to be protected. Unsigned draft picks cannot be selected so teams don't need to waste protection on talent stashed overseas. Teams get no compensation for their lost player.
The Bobcats took a number of highly competent role players in 2004, including: Jason Kapono (Cleveland would love to have him right now), Zaza Pachulia and Gerald Wallace. Back in the day, our own Blazers lost Jerome Kersey to the Raptors. Obviously, this becomes a bigger issue for the Blazers than other teams as KP has done an excellent job building a talented roster 10-deep. For example, Imagine if Jack had been swiped in an expansion draft this year prior to the actual draft. All of the sudden KP can't get Jerryd Bayless without giving up a more coveted player. That's a problem.
Soooo...the big question, who would you protect? Here's my list broken down in to categories:
The Obvious:
1. Roy
2. LMA
3. Oden (assuming he's the second coming of Hakeem and not Sam Bowie).
Obvious as long as they perform near or at expectation levels:
4. Outlaw: Talented swingman who could potentially become a good defender and is already a multi-faceted scorer.
5. Rudy: Awesome shooting guard who (if he lives up to the hype) could be a starter most anywhere but is possibly a #3 guard here.
6. Bayless: Starting PG of the future? Only time will tell...
On the bubble:
7. Webster: Blazers need the shooting. Underrated athlete who has shown some potential as a slasher and could also morph into an above average defender. Less valuable than Rudy or Outlaw because he is pretty much locked in to the SF role. If his ball handling improves he could play the 2 guard, but Nate and KP seem to be set on having two combo guards on the floor at most times, so that would preclude Webster.
8. Blake: Has proven he can be an excellent facilitator and was extremely valuable to the offense last year. He'd be my 8th guy because it's always good to have a true PG on the roster, he can shoot the ball well, and if any of the other three guards go down with injury or foul trouble he'd be able to step in seamlessly. If this hypothetical draft occurred a couple years down the road Peteri could easily bump Blake off this spot, especially considering Blake's age. Also, if he's not protected I almost certainly would expect him to be gone. New teams need veteran point guard who have shown they can lead an offense effectively.
On the outside:
Batum: Not proven at this point, but if he pans out he could bump Webster. In addition, somebody else would have to develop into a legit three-point threat. Possibly Outlaw? OTOH, it would be very tough not to protect a young up and comer. He is just the type of guy an expansion team would be looking for.
Joel: Unfortunately, his lack of offensive ability will be his downfall here. I have ranked him above Blake because with the ability of Outlaw, Aldridge and Frye to play multiple positions it's easier for the frontcourt to compensate for injuries or foul trouble to one of the principles. This is especially true if Freeland pans out. Also, it's less likely Joel will be selected as he is slightly older and has little offensive skill. I think there are other guys on the roster that a new team would want more.
Frye: Aldridge clone. Nice guy, good teammate, but you just can't protect a guy who's essentially redundant. I think he would be second on an expansion team's list behind Batum or Blake (whichever isn't protected).
Sergio: He's going to have to show a lot of improvement this year to break the top 10. And if some GM wants to roll the dice with him as a starter, by all means take him!
Did I forget anyone relevant?
This list also ignores contracts as we're not sure when it would be happening. RLEC would actually be surprisingly attractive to an expansion draft as the salary space could be a big asset to a new team. KP could also possibly work out a deal where he can indirectly protect 9 guys by not resigning an unrestricted free agent until after the draft, thereby not wasting a protected spot. He would then be free to sign that guy after the draft. But for the purposes of this exercise I have ignored that fact as we don't know who this would be possible with.
I think the bottom line is that if an expansion draft happens it would mess up some of the excellent work KP has done. It would absolutely suck to give up a valuable role player with a decent trade value, like Blake, for nothing.
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easy
roy
aldridge
oden
rudy
trout
pryz (you don’t let a competent center like him walk, period. he plays defense and we don’t need offense from him now)
Martell
Bayless
Channing is great, but somewhat expendable. Blake is a journeyman PG, not gonna get much better, probably not gonna get worse.
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by mark twain on Jul 9, 2008 7:51 AM PDT 2 recs
Exactly what I would do
Then we hope the new Seattle team will take Blake and leave Frye.
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by Kelsoballa on
Jul 9, 2008 8:51 AM PDT
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That's my eight
Pryz would have a target on him; a servicable center with a decent contract. There aren’t that many of those out there.
We would probably lose Frye; he would hands down be the best 4 left unprotected.
by NWfan on
Jul 9, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
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Really?
I would think that Blake would be the ideal PG to start a team with. He’s a savvy vet, doesn’t make too many mistakes and isn’t too flashy. The team would probably be mostly youngsters, and they would need someone stable at the 1.
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by rockingharder on
Jul 9, 2008 4:53 PM PDT
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Total agreement...
A veteran leader like Blake would be awesome on a young team. To call a guy who was a totally legit starter on a 41-41 team a journeyman is a bit over the top, IMO.
by erastus25 on
Jul 9, 2008 6:14 PM PDT
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Plus..
I think it’s more about what WE want than what we DON’T WANT for the expansion team, right?
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by 12sharks on
Jul 10, 2008 11:39 PM PDT
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Not entirely
You might leave a guy unprotected, even if he’s one of your top eight, if you are pretty sure he wouldn’t be what the expansion team would want. That’s why age and length of contract can come into it. You can gamble on exposing one of your top eight to protect someone with potential for the future.
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by jscot on
Jul 11, 2008 3:04 AM PDT
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and again.
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by you'vegottomakeyourfreethrows on
Jul 9, 2008 10:29 AM PDT
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Can't argue
Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, though.
by DonkeyShins on
Jul 9, 2008 12:56 PM PDT
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keep pryz
He’s a good quality center and it seems to me that in the future could be used as a good trade bait.
by ifarr on Jul 9, 2008 8:01 AM PDT 0 recs
Remember
as I posted in the junk drawer discussion on this, it doesn’t happen right now.
It happens, at the earliest, the summer of 2010. Expansion just won’t happen in a single year.
If by that time, we have Channing locked up to a good contract, he’s beefed up and can play a little center, and Oden is playing 35 mpg and dominating, you might not protect Joel. At that point, he’s only got one year left on his contract….
Factors are talent, salary, length of contract, and youth. By 2010, with only one year left, Joel may not be that attractive to a team that isn’t going to win anyway. On the other hand, he might be picked by an expansion team simply for his trade value.
Can unsigned draft picks (like Freeland and Koponen) be picked? I assume they can. If that’s the case, and PK tears up Europe for a couple of years, he might force us to protect him, which could be awkward.
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by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 8:02 AM PDT 0 recs
according to the post, europe is safe
good contractual, and development insight
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by ptwnblzr on
Jul 9, 2008 8:11 AM PDT
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How did I miss that?
Thanks for pointing out my stupidity in such a nice way. You could have been forgiven for saying, “Hey, jscot, you’re an idiot!” Instead, I’ll say it. Much nicer that way, and spares other people the trouble.
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by jscot on
Jul 9, 2008 8:19 AM PDT
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I agree with jscot
Joel is a nice, serviceable backup center but in the long term he’s not really an asset. Oden will probably be good for 36 minutes a game by his third season and then Frye and Aldridge could easily fill in any leftover minutes. Plus, the style of the NBA game is changing such that plodding, defensive centers like Joel are less valuable. I mean, look at Amare Stoudemire and Pau Gasol. Joel’s value will slowly fade away not because of his ability but because of style. Additionally, Joel would not be that hard to replace. Somewhere in Europe, the draft, or the free agent market there would be another defensive center with no offensive skills, or a veteran who wants to win a title, that KP could lure with the MLE.
by erastus25 on
Jul 9, 2008 11:25 AM PDT
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Joel isn't a plodding center anymore
Since he’s slimmed down he is one of the fastest 7’ + centers in the league. I don’t buy that he’s less valuable. You can find guys like Frye…you can’t find guys like Przy. Frye doesn’t contribute unless he’s scoring. Przy sets screens, rebounds, blocks/alters shots, clogs up the middle, tips passes, guards the big guy—Frye really doesn’t do many of those things well. I like Channing, I just like Przy better.
by jamon51 on
Jul 9, 2008 12:06 PM PDT
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Today, yes
Two years from now, maybe not.
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by jscot on
Jul 10, 2008 2:16 AM PDT
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it is undeniably easier to find a 6'10" 4 that can shoot
than a 7 footer that can bang, d up and rebound.
in hindsight we were lucky that we were able to keep joel.
even if, as you say, oden plays 36 minutes a game, joel’s 6 fouls are worth more than frye’s 6 fouls when it comes to the playoffs. at least we know joel will make opponent 4s and 5s earn them.
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by Ben. on
Jul 9, 2008 5:12 PM PDT
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Wow
I posted that jscot is an idiot, and you say you agree.
I don’t think that Joel would be left unprotected because of lack of value. It would be contract (the last thing an expansion team wants is to take him and then have him leave after a year) and age (they may want younger guys).
Even if he was taken by a Seattle expansion team, he might re-sign with us for the MLE after that year. That would be a real downer for a new team.
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by jscot on
Jul 10, 2008 2:15 AM PDT
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I quote myself from the junk drawer
Depends a little bit on when it would happen
When the Bobcats got their expansion draft, some teams intentionally left big salary guys "unprotected" that Charlotte could never have afforded when trying to build a whole team. Though it would be a little scary to leave one of our young guns open, when they have max contracts they are less likely to be taken away, though this tactic works even better with more veteran players with even bigger salaries. I bet KP would figure out a way so an expansion team only gets our "junk" (read one of the least valuable players).
Sacramento didn’t follow this, and it cost them Gerald Wallace to protect Chris Webber, who would have been way too expensive.
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by Norsktroll on Jul 9, 2008 8:30 AM PDT 0 recs
Good thing
there’s not a good chance of Seattle getting an expansion team. It would upset the individual divisions. One division would have five teams and one conference would have a team more than the other. Seattle is probably going to get an already existing franchise, if they get anything at all.
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by Muad'Dib on Jul 9, 2008 10:28 AM PDT 0 recs
Yeah...
This post was more for fun than reality. Stern has made it pretty clear that he has little interest in expanding in the US in the near future. Hopefully the Grizz or Bobcats will just move to Seattle and get it over with.
by erastus25 on
Jul 9, 2008 11:26 AM PDT
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Expansion could come
By adding two teams, you could have four divisions of four teams in each conference. It isn’t as if the current divisional layout makes that much sense geographically, anyway.
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by jscot on
Jul 10, 2008 2:18 AM PDT
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Why has everyone decided
that there need to be an even number of teams? The league had 27 for several years and then 29 for several years. There’s no rule stating that the conferences have to be even.
by erastus25 on
Jul 10, 2008 6:33 AM PDT
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Good topic, its a rough decision...
1- Roy
2- Aldridge
3- Oden
4- Trout
5- Rudy
6- Webster
7- Frye
8- Bayless
I went with Frye over Joel because I believe it is easier to replace a center that rebounds and plays D rather than a pf that can shoot out to 3 point range and not play super soft like Bargnani inside. Frye is also younger and Joel is probably at or near his apex. Frye is young and fairly inexperienced and can still get better. Joel has had injury issues, Frye has not. Of course, I say this assuming that Oden will be healthy, if he’s not, Joel has to stay….
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by myemic23 on Jul 9, 2008 11:28 AM PDT 0 recs
is that list in order?
Do you really see Aldridge as a greater asset than Oden?
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 9, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
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I agree 100% with your list -- Keep the players with most trade value.
Those are the players that other teams would covet the most. Frye not Blake. Frye would be much more coveted than Blake or Pryz, and risking those older players would force the youngsters to step it up. It would suck if we lost either of those two guys, but at least we would retain leverage.
by Portland Dynasty on
Jul 9, 2008 3:17 PM PDT
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protected, in order
1. roy
1. LMA
1. Oden
4. Travis
5. Joel ‘ghostface’billa
6. Bayless
7. Rudy
8. Frye
leaving blake, sergio, and webster to do what they wish
by PippenAintEasy on Jul 9, 2008 12:42 PM PDT 0 recs
think about
oden going down again, and not protecting pryz…. eww
by PippenAintEasy on
Jul 9, 2008 12:43 PM PDT
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Yeah!. I consider also that Webster won´t resign next year and will become RFA, destroying our cap space.
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by amlmart1 on
Jul 9, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
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Would you need to protect Joel?
Would an expansion team really be interested in an older defensive specialist at center? An expansion team would be looking for young talent that they can build on, not someone of Pryzbilla’s age, especially without tremendous talent.
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by Muad'Dib on
Jul 9, 2008 4:29 PM PDT
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Joel
Joel is arguably the best backup center in the league. If every team protects their starting center (and some of them will protect their backups, too.), Joel becomes a very tasty treat. Remember, he only has to be the 31st best center in the league, and I’d say he’s already better than that.
by bocious on
Jul 9, 2008 5:49 PM PDT
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That still doesn't solve the age issue.
They’d only get a few years out of him. They’d most likely take some younger talent with potential to become great.
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by Muad'Dib on
Jul 9, 2008 6:24 PM PDT
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right
Expansion drafts are a funny animal. Teams don’t often take the best players available. By necessity, they take the long road toward contention (you aren’t going to do it right away) so expiring contracts and youngsters are typically the way to go.
As good as Joel is, its unlikely he’d be taken.
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by jksnake99 on
Jul 9, 2008 6:39 PM PDT
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Tough question
1. Roy
2. Aldridge
3. Oden
4. Rudy
5. Outlaw
6. Bayless
7. Joel
8. Martell
Interesting to note, the Bobcats selected Portland’s Desmond Fergeson in the expansion draft, then subsequently released him, He is missing and presumed dead.
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by SandbergOnSports on Jul 9, 2008 1:05 PM PDT 0 recs
He's very much alive..
Desmond is playing in the CBA with the Yakima Sun Kings.
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by rockingharder on
Jul 9, 2008 5:02 PM PDT
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assumeing that this doesn't happen until 2010-2011
Here are the players we would protect.
1. Oden
2. Roy
3. LMA
4. Rudy
5. Martel (if retained in 2009)
6. Bayless (if he turns out)
7. Outlaw (if retained in 2009)
8. FA from 2009 season
The reason I didn’t include Joel is that he has a player option that year, and if he takes the option than we don’t have him on our roster to protect. He can sign with anyone, including resigning with the Blazers.
I put the FA signing we all assume will happen next summer on the list because I am assuming that if we just signed someone to a nice contract, than we won’t let them possibly leave the next year.
It is very hard to predict who would be protected and who would not, as we will undoubtably makes more draft picks and trades before any of this would become possible.
by usmcr3049 on Jul 9, 2008 1:48 PM PDT 0 recs
Does 8 seem like a lot of players to have protected?
I’m all for it considering all the talent on our roster, but that doesn’t seem to leave much talent for any expansion franchise to draft. How many times is a team going to land a Gerald Wallace type player versus a Desmond Fergeson type? I think most teams would be well protected with 6 protected players and that would also allow the new team to grab some decent players and actually compete (well, compete better than they would have).
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by Magnum on Jul 9, 2008 5:20 PM PDT 0 recs
Nah...
Don’t forget this team will also get a high draft pick (usually in the 4-6) range and have a shot at free agents. Assuming they get one guy like Wallace out of the draft, 2 good lottery picks and a solid free agent the new team would be at least viable by its second season. And it wouldn’t be fair to other teams in the league to only protect 6 as that would leave some very good players available. Essentially, the better GMs would be punished for stockpiling talent.
by erastus25 on
Jul 9, 2008 6:13 PM PDT
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In Order
1. Roy (duh)
2. Oden
3. Aldridge
4. Rudy (He’ll probably wind up more talented than Travis down the road)
5. Outlaw
6. Bayless
7. Webster
8. Frye
I don’t think an expansion team would be very interested in Pryz because of his age, and Steve Blake is replaceable in the end. He’s definitely not our starting point a few years down the line. I think Frye makes more sense than Blake, especially with his room to grow.
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by Muad'Dib on Jul 9, 2008 6:30 PM PDT 0 recs
I would protect em all
With force.
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by Sabonis4Ever on Jul 9, 2008 9:36 PM PDT 0 recs
Yeah! I´´ll send this message: Over my dead body!.
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