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My first fanpost and I doubt that I'll actually make it to 300 words.

Here we go. I've hung around BE for about a year, have been posting a couple of months. I'm actually not new to online communities, just new to this one. I've seen several succeed and even more fail. The first sure sign of failure is when civility begins to lapse.

Dave has done a great job of creating an interesting, upbeat site where reasonable standards of civility are upheld.  I moderate a couple of online conversation forums on politics and social issues and I steer folks to BE as an example of how you can have high standards and still be interesting.

We have it all here: in depth discussion about something we're passionate about, good hosting, and a slew of really witty, well honed writers making comments.

One of the maxims I've always held to is that it is the conversation that matters. I'd rather see posts come freely and expressively than have writers hold back or wordsmith the thing to death.  To me that means, just write. Don't worry about the spelling or the grammar overly much.  Read for content, not to nit pick the writer.

There's been a lot of that lately, some of it in good humor, some I'm not so sure of. But it represents a step backwards from civility and being welcoming to many points of view. So, IMHO, as a relative new member and without standing, really, to chastize anyone, I'd appreciate it if we'd knock it off.

 

 

 

 

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I think there's about five typos in that post

The irony is unintentional I assure you.

by raoulduke on Jul 8, 2008 7:34 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As long as you correct yourself, we'll let you live.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 8, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously, though, you're taking this too seriously...

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 8, 2008 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

wait a minute…. I agree. Nevermind.

by begottenson on Jul 8, 2008 7:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You can edit fanposts, if you want- although typos are all right by me

I’m not too concerned about the recent issues, although sure I’d prefer more civility.
After some overwrought early posts of my own, I’ve learned to ignore the problem posters, and it makes life nicer.

As Dave frequently points out, new posters often take some time to learn our culture (well, I’m still kinda new, but I post up a storm, so I’ve got a vet’s comment total). And those that don’t, find they are no longer invited to play. So it’s generally self-correcting.

by Section323 on Jul 8, 2008 7:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why won't anyone talk to me???

hehe…..actually +1

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 8, 2008 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd . I agree

People in general are very sensitive to rejection or criticism. If you get the point of what they are trying to say, why bother correcting their grammar or spelling? I have mentioned this before. This is a sports blog and not everyone is going to come from a background where they excel in writing. Some with valuable opinions may be scared off of contributing all together.

Some feel that it is their ‘duty’ to correct people to prevent digression into an uncivilized society (someone actually said that in here) . Some feel more important or superior when they get to correct someone. An uncivilized culture to me is one where we do not value or treat one another with respect. Not whether or not we punctuate properly.

Thanks for the post.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jul 8, 2008 8:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

You have a typo

There is an extra space after, “(someone actually said that in here).”

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2008 5:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The only reason I don't like typos

Is because of that stupid anti-tobacco commercial.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that there has been a lot of uncivilized discussion over typos here

and I also think that a fair amount of it has been unnecessary. I also think that it wouldn’t hurt some to make at least a little more effort.

But what chaps my hide more than that, is people that post statements that anyone with a modicum of sense should be able to determine will cause others here to react in a very strong and negative fashion. An example would be to trumpet the praises of a team that everyone here agrees is our most hated enemy, or slamming one of our players and then acting as if they have done nothing wrong when someone gets pissed off at them.

There are many ways to be uncivilized, some of them are accepted, some are not.

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Jul 8, 2008 8:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't get me wrong

There are absolutely times when an angry response is justified.

Additionally we all have our own ‘sunburns” and when someone scratches them intentionally or otherwise it can solicit a sharp response. Anyone in a relationship of any kind will know when you have nicked someone’s sunburn. They tend to lash out regardless of intent.

I’m just saying doesn’t it make sense to save our outrage or criticism for true unjustice?

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jul 8, 2008 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Deliberately slamming someone

that is not there to defend them self and without provocation is in my mind an injustice.

Unfortunately, voicing outrage at that injustice seems to simply open the door to flame wars. So instead what usually happens is the more civil individuals find them selfs having to not respond in order to simply maintain the peace. This results in the offending person apparently having the freedom to abuse their communication privileges with impunity. Hence my frustration.

LMA's reign as "LaMonster of the Low Post" has just begun!

by LaMarvelous on Jul 8, 2008 11:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what instance or individual you speak of

but it is a point that is well put. I often wish there was an IM function on this blog to take up issue with people who do such things without having to involve the entire community.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jul 9, 2008 12:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And my wish

is for the ability to block a particular user. I’ve used that function elsewhere when someone is particularly annoying. Sometimes I’ll turn them back on, sometimes not.

"We will do nice things!" - Rudy, 07/01/08

by jorga on Jul 9, 2008 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 9, 2008 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm hurt

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 3:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rub some dirt on it

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

............... no, it depends where he's hurt.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 10, 2008 8:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is a high correlation between...

.............................. the Happy Modern Schoolteacher attitude of “yaaaay, let EVERYONE express themselves, even if they’re illiterate or uninformed or just plain dumb” and a belief in the desirability of monolithic rah-rah-shish-boom-bah Blazer love, unquestioning obedience, and blind devotion.

These things are not causal; but they are correlated.

“Feel free to express yourself illiterately—as long as you don’t rock the boat.”

I beg to differ.

I would argue that if a person posts they should do so coherently and that native speakers of English not handicapped by dyslexia should do so with a modicum of grammatical correctness. I further believe strongly that diversity of views - even aggressively stated “devil’s advocacy” or dissent - is far more desirable than happy talk Disneyland muskrat love for the home-home-home team, fight fight fight! Yaaay for ALL our boys!!! Hurray hurray!

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 8, 2008 9:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Question

Is this one of your longer posts evah?

Just curious. I prefer short comments, myself.

Links Please.

Now I will read it, as it deserves my attention.

"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 8, 2008 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"with a modicum of grammatical correctness" A good thang to try for. Heehee
“even aggressively stated "devil’s advocacy" or dissent – is far more desirable than happy talk… “

I like “Happy Talk”.
Dissentience may open my views on the topic of discussion. May turn me OFF. I can read all comments, if that is what I choose to do. I will interpret them, for my own amusement.

"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 8, 2008 10:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

................. and I like collecting a quarter from Lizzy Lowblow!

.............................. pay up!

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you in need...

...of any of the 50 State collectables?

"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 9, 2008 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer the four-figure checks...

............................... but I’ve always liked the way the Connecticut tree turned out.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 10, 2008 8:13 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I work in a technical setting with a bunch of people who, in many cases, have advanced degrees and education

up the wazoo. I’m not one of them. I’m always amazed and often appalled at the lack of writing skills many of them have. Some of them apparently stopped learning how to use the written word in the 5th grade. But they can explain the general theory of relativity and all it’s ramifications to you as if they’re reciting Twinkle Twinkle Little Star.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 8, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had to laugh at that one Ann

The last two mentors that I worked under were both very intelligent, charasmatic and successful individuals. Both were self -made millionaries and came from very different backgrounds. One was very frugile and the other a big spender. Something they both had in common was that neither could spell to save his life.

I'm a little confused by your tactics

by oderiferous emanations 74 on Jul 9, 2008 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a blooming idiot

who always spells everything rite (according to ritual). And really, right spelling is only a ritual.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 5:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

......... ya learn it by rote.

.............................. and if there/their/they’re is let slide, you’re never gonna learn it at all.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

To say nothing

of letting gonna slide.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 3:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference between intentional conversatonal vernacular...

.......................... and bricking 4th grade english.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 10, 2008 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And a difference between typos and gross misspellings...

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 10, 2008 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course

and (at least some) people have grudglingly grown to like you here. And I think the same is true of jksnake. But posters regularly come along who appear to be obnoxious just because they can, and who say things that reasonable humans would never say to another in real life, simply because they have the shield of the internet.

by Section323 on Jul 8, 2008 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha timbo is the Jim Rome of Blazersedge

you don’t want to like him at first (especially if you are a hapless homer like me), but then you start to appreciate him. The next thing you know you really like him and you can barely remember when his harsh opinions offended you even though he never changed.

by tweener on Jul 8, 2008 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he has that irascable old fart thing going for him. I have no idea how old Timbo is,

he’s probably just precocious. ;0

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 9, 2008 12:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure I agree with the Jim Rome part of it though.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 9, 2008 12:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

...................... Oh, joy, this is a lucrative day for me, Ann the Fan with no E...

...................................................................... who owes me a quarter.

46.

Closer to irascible than precocious, sadly.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah ha! I lured you in. Chump! Hand over your wallet.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 9, 2008 1:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like timbo

because he practices being wrong, and is so good at it.

Hard work has its rewards.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 5:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all about craftsmanship!

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

............... or keeping your elbows down in the pit.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

One has nothing to do with the other, really

In fact from what I’ve observed far more dissenting, aggressive posts are grammatically lacking, as a percentage of the whole anyway.

Also rarely is dissent challenged for its own sake. Usually people take exception when people dissent and are also being an (insert synonym for donkey here). It’s the latter part that raises indignation far more than the former.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 8, 2008 10:09 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Mule?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 5:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Burro?

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Democrat?

Seriously, they need to get a new mascot, not that an elephant is any better.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 9, 2008 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elephants poop all over the place...

................................. donkeys make a lot of noise and don’t do much.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That about sums it up.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 9, 2008 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But sometimes people do it just for the attention

Someone no longer here sorely craved attention and just like a little kid if he didn’t get what he thought was enough by being rational he’d say something to rile everyone and boom … lots of it attention. (Those of you who aren’t yet parents, take note of that. If your kid does something naughty it may simply be to get your attention and she/he would have been just as happy to get the attention without misbehaving – but being naughty gets immediate attention.)

There are also lots of people out there who get a real kick out of being contrary. I have a bad tendency to play the devil’s advocate (not so much here as in real life) just because I can often see both sides and I’m trying to help someone else see the other side. I’m learning to preface such comments with “Playing the devil’s advocate here…” so they don’t think I’m trying to argue with them. (Learning through experience. Sigh.)

"We will do nice things!" - Rudy, 07/01/08

by jorga on Jul 9, 2008 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I make every effort in my mind

to separate advocacy for a point, devil’s or otherwise, with personal conflict. This place would be boring, boring, BORING if nobody disagreed or debated. Devil’s Advocates are sorely needed! It’s just unfortunate when that turns into flaming or accusations about intelligence or experience or whatever. None of that stuff adds anything to anyone’s points.

However in the hierarchy of blog ills the occasional personal fracas = lesser evil while not having anyone able to converse in any way except agreement = greater evil. So you let some of the other stuff go if it’s not too bad. (Subjective judgment there, of course…)

One of the things that really encourages me about this place is that often people will step back after things get too personal and say, “Hey…sorry. I only meant this.” To me that’s a sign of health and a better corrective to infighting than me having to come around and slap wrists or delete posts.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 9, 2008 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

I totally agree with this post

and everyone who doesn’t is wrong!

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 9, 2008 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to play devil's advocate...

... but you’re right.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 3:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I appreciate good grammar, spelling, etc.

Simply because it’s easier to read quickly if someone “plays by the rules.” This place is so active and vibrant that it takes a while to get through all of the posts. But there’s no way I’m going to give someone flack for minor stuff like spelling. (And I hope these folks will cut me some slack when it comes to fuzzy thinking and limited BBIQ.)

The way I figure it, some people take a little more time to read than other people. About 97% of the time, it’s well worth it—there’s a ton of knowledge here. In general, we don’t have a lot of bozos posting just to get an angry reaction out of someone. There have been a couple of waves of uncivility since I’ve come aboard, but things seem to settle down after a short while.

That said, I’m not sure I’m ready for the return of fatty.

by Corvid on Jul 8, 2008 8:57 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I was born with

a proof reader’s eye and typos jump out at me as if they were neon. I do try to hold my tongue except to point out something funny.

OTOH, if someone is trying to convince me of something and their writing is full of typos and misuse of words then I won’t be swayed. It’s hard to take something like that seriously. ( I also agree with Corvid that it is hard to read if you have to stop and translate every other sentence.)

"We will do nice things!" - Rudy, 07/01/08

by jorga on Jul 8, 2008 9:18 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, it's also a mark of civility

for writers to make an effort.

I’m just asking to let go of the need to critique the writing if it’s not up to our individual standards.

by raoulduke on Jul 8, 2008 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My favorite alltime misuse of word

I was a manager, and one of my leads looked extremely fatigued. I asked if she was tired. She responded that she was a suffering from “necrophilia”. Of course I was quite concerned. I said, “excuse me…you are suffering from what?”. She said : “Necrophilia….ya know ….that sleeping sickness.”. I responded:” Uh…that sleeping sickness called is called narcolepsy. Necrophilia is when you like to have sex with a dead body”. Needless to say….she assured me that she had no such proclivity.

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 8, 2008 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Our vibrations were getting nasty.

But why ? Was there no communication on this site?
Had we deteriorated to the level of dumb beasts?

I like the post and your additional thoughts on the thread (Jorga’s comment and your response.) Good thoughts.

Don’t take any guff from these swine.

by einman77 on Jul 8, 2008 9:28 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

As one who is guilty of pointing out errors frequently, allow me to repent.

Oh and by the way, you have two independent clauses connected with only a coordinating conjunction in your third paragraph, second sentence. There should be a comma before the coordinating conjunction, which in this case is the word “and.”

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 8, 2008 10:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Please define repent

and stop misusing the word.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 5:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be glad to

This part is mainly Wiki, then I’ll examine the word.

Repent—Primarily a word used in Christianity, which comes from the New Testament word μετάνοια (metanoia), which is a compound word of the preposition ‘meta’ (after, with), and the verb ‘noeo’ (to perceive, to think, the result of perceiving or observing). In this compound word the preposition combines the two meanings of time and change, which may be denoted by ‘after’ and ‘different’; so that the whole compound means: ‘to think differently after’.

Metanoia is therefore primarily an after-thought, different from the former thought; a change of mind accompanied by regret and change of conduct, “change of mind and heart”, or, “change of consciousness”.

Essentially, it’s when one recognizes sin, that is, that one has broken God’s commandments—lying, stealing, lusting (same as adultery, according to Jesus), hating (same as murder, according to Jesus), etc.

When one recognizes their sin and is sorry for it, and they say ok! I’ve done it! And I’m sorry! And they turn around and start to hate sinning, instead of reveling in it, that…is repentance. Knowing that God is going to judge you and find you innocent or guilty (remember, Jesus said all liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. It only takes one lie to make a liar, just like it takes one murder to make a murderer), it brings about a need for forgiveness, because all are guilty. This is where repentance (turning around and running from sin…having that “change of mind and heart”) and faith in Jesus Christ comes in. Jesus paid the fine man owed by dying on the cross, and through repenting and then trusting in Jesus like you’d trust a parachute when jumping out of a plane, you can be saved from the destruction that would otherwise await.

That, is repentance. And there’s nothing more serious than the state of one’s soul. So I apologize for trivializing the word, and I hope my little post gives some food for thought. There’s nothing more important than eternity.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 9, 2008 7:04 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Another reason you on the Bedge = awesome

Your English is becoming magnifíco, and all the while we’re getting expert Spanish tutoring.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 9, 2008 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

The Greek word prezofdeath gave us does not necessarily mean “remorse”, in the sense that “remorse” can occur without “repentance” (though repentance probably cannot come without some sense of remorse).

A classic example of this would be the alcoholic who weeps tears of remorse over his drinking and what he has done as a result, but then goes back and does it again. No repentance.

In English, we also have the two words, regret and remorse, and they don’t have the same root. I find it interesting that they do have the same root in Spanish.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 7:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They're slightly different

Regret = dang it, I got caught drinking again

Repentance = dang it, I picked up the bottle again. I hate what it does to me; I’m never doing this again.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 9, 2008 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or Remorse

“Dang it, look what this is doing to me and others. I’m ruining my life and hurting others. I’m a disgrace to my family and to society. It can’t go on. I have to stop. Sometime.”

I’ve heard that, and seen it in action, more than once. That “sometime” on the end is a killer. Why not now?

Remorse/regret can lead to repentance. If it does, it is wonderfully freeing. If it doesn’t, it is oppressive.

And of course, repentance isn’t always perfect.

“I’m going to stop, I’ll never do this again.” Was it a lie if a year later you slip back into it? Or was it real and you got nailed by human weakness? It could be either one. No matter how committed/determined we are, we stumble and fall, don’t we? And not just alcoholics. Every one of us has committed to change in some way and failed to do so.

This is where faith comes in. It isn’t just trusting Christ to save us from the punishment, it is also trusting Him to change us so that the repentance becomes reality.

Wow. A theological discussion without T Darkstar. But this isn’t just “theology”, it’s reality.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 7:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spanish are historically catholics (now changing) and use confession to get pardon.

People should go to confession with repentance, but facts don´´t support that statement. I fear that people mostly “clean” their remorses.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 9, 2008 7:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That actually ties into my comment above
This is where faith comes in. It isn’t just trusting Christ to save us from the punishment, it is also trusting Him to change us so that the repentance becomes reality.

Going to confession is generally focused on escaping the punishment, but not on changing. So you get your remorse “cleaned”, to use your term, but there is nothing to help you to not fall back into the same problem—so you’ll need another remorse-cleaning session before long.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ooh! Ooh! This is where I get to come in!

μετάνοια is usually translated as “repentance” but some Greek scholars look at it more literally as “change one’s mind.” However, either way one looks at these words, many people come to the conclusion that μετάνοια is an act of man that is required to receive forgiveness. But, it can be argued that μετάνοια is not necessarily an action in man, but rather a result of a πιστις which comes from God. But this opens up an argument on free will which would take forever to clear up, and I’m on vacation.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 9, 2008 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if got was one of us?

Say like just a stranger on the bus.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2008 9:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'd probably crucify him.

If we do that to our own players (J Jack), what makes you think strangers would be any better off?

By the way, what’s the over/under on fans wanting to trade Oden after two seasons?

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 9, 2008 10:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

12

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 9, 2008 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh.

If it would have been 10, I would have definitely taken the ‘over.’

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 9, 2008 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And since we're in the typos fanpost

The German is Gott.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 9, 2008 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was joking too

“Repent” does not only have a theological meaning, of course, and I’m not sure you trivialized the word. You joked that you were going to repent, and then did the exact opposite. But it was clearly a joke, and I don’t think it did violence to the word or to truth. I was just playing along with your joke.

But I thank you for a superb definition and explanation of the most important thing in the world.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I figured you were joking as well, but I did kinda’ use it loosely, so i figured a bigger definition wouldn’t hurt. Thanks though for your thoughts/comments/jokes/etc.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 9, 2008 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just curious

What was the fine?

by TimG on Jul 9, 2008 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is, to Prezofdeath or jscot

Wondering what, exactly, was the fine paid?

by TimG on Jul 9, 2008 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try....

Ok, you lie to your little nephew…what happens? Probably not much.

Now lie to your wife about where you were last night? You’ll be sleeping on the couch. Or worse.

Lie to Congress and you’ll end up in jail.

Now lie to God. If there is a God, He’s infinitely perfect (or He wouldn’t be God).

So for a crime against infinite perfection there must be infinite punishment—hell.

God set up the universe in such a way that if man chose to sin, the punishment for sin (lying, stealing, lusting, etc.) would be hell.

Man sinned, and we’ve been separated from God ever since. Because we’ve sinned against an infinite God, we have an infinite fine to pay. We can’t pay it. We don’t have the means.

It’s like you have a bazillion dollar traffic fine for flying through a blind children’s school zone at 90 mph while drinking a beer. You can’t pay your ticket, so you’re about to get hauled off to the slammer. Someone walks in and pays your fine, someone you don’t even know.

That’s what happened when Jesus died. Essentially, you should have died for your sin, but a perfect sacrifice (Jesus), covered your debt with God. The only payment that could erase your debt and my debt was a perfect man’s death. That was Jesus.

If you repent (what we’ve been talking about), ask for forgiveness and for ask Christ to pay your fine, then God can graciously look at you not as one who should be in hell, but as one who is forgiven. He can accept you as He accepts His Son, Jesus.

It’s nothing we can do—we can’t “accept Christ.” God graciously accepts us when we come humble and brokenhearted for being such a lying, thieving, lusting sinner.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 9, 2008 6:54 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well said

Infinite crime—because it was against an infinite God.

Infinite fine as a result.

Infinite price was paid—because the One who died was also infinite, being the Son of God.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 3:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I´m confused.

Pope John Paul II pointed out that the essential characteristic of heaven, hell or purgatory is that they are states of being of a spirit (angel/demon) or human soul, rather than places. On the other hand Benedicto XVI said HELL is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 10, 2008 3:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bible uses language

that seems to indicate an actual place and an actual fire. But it also talks about eternal torment—and actual fire (as we know it) would, of course, consume people, so that the torment wouldn’t be eternal.

I think there are a lot of things we can’t totally understand, and language is used to give us some idea of what it is like, but perhaps in some of these areas we need to be careful about how dogmatic we are. But I think Benedict’s description is a lot closer to what the Bible says.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pat Benatar said

Hell is for children.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 4:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

.................. keeps 'em in line.

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 10, 2008 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's what the medieval church figured

and why hell became so prevalent in the dark ages: The people were kept loyal to an oppressive religious system by fear of an even worse prospect of an eternity of torture.

The first four centuries of christianity was not governed by fear, and, not surprisingly, the majority of major christian theological schools taught that all would eventually be saved in Christ.

Hey Dave, you’re a pastor, jump on in!

by TimG on Jul 10, 2008 6:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think the Bible does

when properly understood.

by TimG on Jul 10, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll just let the Bible do the work

It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched’. (Mark 9:47-48)

There will be weeping and knashing of teeth. (Matthew 8:11-12)

It will be hot. Even one drip of water will be greatly appreciated. (Luke 16:19-31

Those who did not believe received “a punishment of eternal fire.” (Jude 1:5-7)

Those whose names are not in the Book of Life (i.e. haven’t repented and put their faith and trust in Jesus to receive forgiveness and covering for sin) are cast into the lake of fire. (Revelation 20:11-15).

Praise God that this isn’t what He desires for us. His desire is that NONE should perish, but all should come to repentance (2nd Peter 3:9).

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 10, 2008 12:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Bible Needs to Modernize Yo!

I gots my name in the Blog of Life.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A compendium of random quotes does not constitute an argument

“As in Adam all die, so as in christ all will be made alive” ( 1 Cor 15:22)

“So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. ” (Rom 5:18)

“For it is for this we labor and strive, because we have fixed our hope on the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of believers.” (1 Tim 4:10)

“and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for {those of} the whole world. ” (1 John 2:2)

So there are quotes for both sides. Great! So in order to figure it out, we have to take the Bible as a whole-including the OT, an understanding of what Jesus was actually teaching as a first century jewish prophet/messianic figure proclaiming the coming of the kingdom of YHWH-we cannot just read random things out of context and take them for whatever preconceived ways we understand them in our 21st century context of deeply ingrained belief in hell.

Well, I guess anyone is free to do that. I’m more interested in what Jesus, and Paul, and the rest of the early church actually taught.

I could gather several quotes, out of context, in order to prove that To Kill a Mockingbird is racist—or to prove that the final destiny of the “unsaved” is eternal torture.

by TimG on Jul 10, 2008 6:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Tim

There’s more than “random quotes” to support the view expressed.

I’m happy with my original statement. The Bible uses language that seems to indicate an actual place and actual fire. You can’t just throw all that away, it’s there for a reason.

I also said there are a lot of things we don’t understand. Who would expect to be able to understand everything? We don’t understand everything about the physical sciences, how could we expect to understand everything about God?

People could argue (and I’ve seen it done) that you are taking your quotes out of context as well. But this board isn’t a great place to discuss it in depth.

Suffice to say that most Christians from the first century on have believed that there is a hell and that people will go there. But yes, there have always been some who believed the view you are expressing.

Prezofdeath has posted what I believe the Bible truly teaches. And I’ve studied the Book a little bit myself, including an advanced degree, knowledge of the original languages, and systematic and historical theology. Not everyone who has that background will agree with me, but many do. This view can’t just be blown off as sloppy study or ignorance.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 11, 2008 2:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair enough

Maybe I got a littl off track considering our present setting in a sports blog.

I just saw a lot of statements being made, seeming as though they were supposed to be representative of the Bible or Christianity. I wanted to express a little bit of a different perspective.

As for my quotes, I do not believe they constitute an argument for myself—I just wanted to show it could be done for my viewpoint as well. Of course, I would argue that all the main verses used to support eternal torment are grossly misunderstood, and often taken out of context, but I appreciate what you said here, and you’re right about this not being the right discussion board. Like I said, I wanted to get in an alternative viewpoint.

And, just one more note, most christians up until Augustine, and at least a little while after, believed all would be saved-to the point that Augustine felt compelled to address the issue that all would be saved that he himself said seemed to be believed by most. Up until Augustine, the evidence actually suggests most early christians believed all would be saved. Of course, the one early theological school that taught eternal torment (out of 6) was Rome. And we know, also, that for a long, long time, Rome got its way-truth or not.

But, as far as things we don’t understand, I agree, right now we see in a mirror dimly, but meanwhile we can have love for one another. And knowledge makes arrogant, but love edifies.

I do not mean to blow it off as sloppy or stupid… but it is true that it has some serious problems, that are never even discussed it seems. I try to discuss them, and I did that ;)

Anyway, thank you (and prezofdeath) for taking the time to articulate your thoughts, even if I disagree.

So, how ‘bout them Blazers?

by TimG on Jul 11, 2008 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*little--first line

don’t know how I missed that…

by TimG on Jul 11, 2008 9:08 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

But George Ringo II said

Think for yourself. It Don’t Come Easy.

"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"

These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.

by CatMan2 on Jul 10, 2008 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

Funny, because I don’t read anything remotely like that in the bible.

I read, instead, Paul saying that the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23); I recall God warning Adam and Eve that if they eat the fruit they will surely die… That doesn’t sound like hell to me. In fact, if God said “you do this, the penalty is death” then someone dies, and then God says to them “ok, so you died, but NOW you are going to be tortured, forever, I forgot to mention that” then, it seems, God has been made a liar.

Paul reflects this is Romans—He does not say anything close to, “for a crime against infinite perfection there must be infinite punishment—hell” and, certainly, in a discussion filled with legal explanations of sin and justification, it was the perfect opportunity to say what, exactly, the wages of sin was. And he did-death.

Then he went on to say, meanwhile, that Christ has defeated death, having won the decisive victory on the cross, and that Christ will reign until he has subjected all enemies under his feet—and the last enemy to be subjected is death itself, so that, “As in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive” So that, eventually, God will be all in all (1 Cor 15).

The Truth in the New Testament-that there are indeed all forms of judgement, some of them severe-but that judgement always is followed by restoration, and, in the end, all will be saved, is much more credible than, frankly, this neat little system.

After all, if Christ took our punishment, and our punishment would otherwise be eternity in hell… then Christ would be yet still in hell.

Did I just stir up a hornet’s nest?

“Why do you not, even on your own initiative, judge what is right?”(Jesus, Luke 12:57)

Grace and Peace!

by TimG on Jul 10, 2008 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wish I could rec this til it turns green.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 8, 2008 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

As pualo says in TominHawaii's current sig

’”Man I want to rec it again.”’

"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"

These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.

by CatMan2 on Jul 8, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that because it was long?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 5:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

In this case? No.

"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"

These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.

by CatMan2 on Jul 9, 2008 8:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pualo

has to be quoted more than anyone else on BE when it comes to signatures….

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you haven't already seen this

Check out http://www.blazersedge.com/2008/7/7/566429/clearing-up-the-bayless-dr#7226769

And feel free to join the movement. Everybody, I suppose, has his/her own motivation. In my case, pualo won an impromptu contest I started. He will continue to be immortalized until at least July 20.

"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"

These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.

by CatMan2 on Jul 9, 2008 8:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I saw it

And there’s at least one more running around, but I don’t remember who it is, or what it was he said.

But that line of timbo’s is just the thing for me. You see, timbo and I disagree on everything, almost, except we both expect playoffs this season.

So, when he said other people don’t have as much practice at being wrong as he does, it was perfect. Since we disagree, he was validating everything I say, right? Except by claiming it as my own signature, I’m claiming to be wrong all the time, too. So that validates everything he says.

So I’m saying that he’s right, and he’s saying that I’m right, and we’re disagreeing with each other. It’s a glorious, twisted tangle of contradiction in which we’re each contradicting our own self as well as contradicting each other. It was too good to pass up.

OK, on the evidence of this post, I am certifiably weird, and also have work to do, so will actually depart….

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Scot and I need to do a radio show...

........................................... and my clan can still kick his clan’s synonym for a donkey.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Radio is old media

I do blogs.

You’re wrong, of course. Even when you’re right, your right is wrong.

And while you’re running around looking for our livestock to kick, we’ll be stealing your women, burning your homes, and dirking you in the back. With the greatest civility, of course.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 3:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Making the sausage

Hi Dave. I participate in several online communities and monitor several others related to my job. The quality of postings and the lucidity of the analysis here is second to none. Much of what you do is visible to us in your front page writing and your comments, but is this alone enough to explain the consistently high fanpost and comment quality? How extensively do you moderate?

In the doldrums of summer, should you want to blog about the secret sauce that makes this all work, I’m sure there would be much interest. One of the great things about this blog is that it’s generally not self-referential, but an exception here might be educational to others who are attempting to create unrelated online communities. I’ve been mourning the day where quality of fanposts starts to decline, but it’s been the opposite – some scary good stuff is being posted. Why here and (almost) nowhere else?

by Engineering Problem on Jul 9, 2008 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The rules

1. They are reasonably enforced.
2. They are designed to raise the level of discussion.

Where else do you see those rules, enforced reasonably? It makes a big difference.

One other factor. KP/Nate/etc. We’re talking about a classy organization that is acquiring classy players. It only makes sense they would attract a following that cares about excellence. They don’t just want to be good at basketball, they want to be decent people. So when people talk about them, there is a subliminal tendency to behave decently in doing so.

An argument against “that term” that probably resonates strongly with a lot of people who enjoy it is simply this: KP doesn’t like it. You don’t generally express admiration for someone in terms of which they disapprove. There’s a cognitive dissonance in doing so.

Having a classy organization doesn’t mean all your fans will support you in classy ways, but it has an impact.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 5:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it's the high percentage of grumpy old people...

......................................... When a person first comes on, there’s a real - what’s the word - roughing up period that happens if Jr. High School-type comments are aired. The herd of casual posters gets thinned in that way—at least the stereotypical noob sort of posters. There are plenty of more hospitable places for them to post, and they go there.

What remains is a distilled essence of superfans, who write for one another. And a handful of Jr. High-style jokesters like me who were bent but not broken and who get our jollies with quips and counterpunches.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 9, 2008 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Makes sense

Also, with sports, the facts are seldom in dispute, which removes some fodder for circular argument.

by Engineering Problem on Jul 9, 2008 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Grumpy old people?

I think I take exception to your generalization, there, young fellow.

"I love this game!" -Moonbeam, from 'Rollerball' right before he was knocked into a permanent coma

by -ken on Jul 9, 2008 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

heh... guilty

Yeah, I correct others’ grammar… But I try to keep it in check. Poor grammar usually bothers me, but come on. This is the internet.

If I honestly can’t tell what you’re saying, I either won’t read your comment or I’ll ask for clarification.

When I do correct grammar on this site, I usually do it out of love. I’m a high school English teacher in training, and I realize that there are many rules that simply don’t get taught well (or don’t sink in for one reason or another). I want to help create a more grammatically correct world, and I want to teach those rules tactfully. I’m not trying to make fun of you for using “there” instead of “their,” I just want you to understand your error and learn something for next time!

However, if you’re being a jerk AND have improper grammar, I will correct without hesitation or tact. Book it.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 8, 2008 10:52 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

I think most people who post regularly on sites are used to being able to edit/correct their posts after they hit “post”, so I’m sure that this contributes to a higher error rate in here (I know it does for me).

And see? I said “their”, not “there”. So there.

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 8, 2008 11:23 PM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Congratulations!

Also, I generally agree with you. Everyone makes bonehead errors, ours are just preserved for posterity.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 9, 2008 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wht?

Cmon, as long as evry1 can understnd wht other ppl r tryin to say, then itz all good! Grammar is teh suxors!!!!

j/k. ~Nathan

Blazer's fan since '84, Currently exiled in Tennessee and North Carolina

by HurraKane212 on Jul 9, 2008 1:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The Best Response to Typos

I really REALLY hate typos, misspellings, grammatical errors and such, but I’ve pretty much kept mum on those I’ve encountered here. I suppose it’s out of a sense of the tacit understanding many have alluded to above. Also, it can be interpreted as being mean, picky, etc. so I generally keep it to a minimum. That said, I’m TOTALLY against typos and our culture is going down the turlet, yadda yadda yadda, so here’s my proposal:

Let’s have one day where all the typo-haters can call out typos with total impunity. Just one day, everyone knows in advance, no hurt feelings. Two rules – 1) The corrector has to be nice, and 2) The corrector must provide an explanation on why the mentioned is a typo and/or suggest a corrected version. The correctors get to blow off steam, those corrected might learn something.

It would kind of be like a lingual version of the graduation hazing day in Dazed and Confused, everyone running around and counting coup. Man that would be sweet – what do you think, Dave? If you need me, I’ll just be over here drilling holes in Fah-Q paddle..

(oh, and the title of this comment is a play on Dave’s earlier OKC uproar – just a joke, y’all..)

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 9, 2008 5:40 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Boo hiss!

No open season (day) on typos, please. We may have newcomers and they’d be so scared they’d never return,
.....
I remind people who are hard on newbs (I’ve been online so long I remember when they were called newbies) that we were all new to that site at one time. I’m guessing that few newcomers even look for site discussion guidelines, let alone read them. (And I’m also guessing that few sites have discussion guidelines.)

"We will do nice things!" - Rudy, 07/01/08

by jorga on Jul 9, 2008 6:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I Suppose You're Right

Man, I must be the least popular dude on BEdge.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 9, 2008 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just wait

When fatty comes back, you can hate on each other. But if you try to correct his grammar, you’re doomed. He can spit out bad grammar much faster than anyone could correct it.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 6:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So when is the earilest that fatty could return?

this is becoming like the wait for Episode I to come out. Hopefully it won’t be similarly disappointing.

by tingeyga on Jul 9, 2008 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Befor the New Star Trek Movie

in 2009.

"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 9, 2008 9:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jar Jar

was less annoying than fatty.

Jerry Sloan is a complete and total smeg head.

by GustyJ on Jul 11, 2008 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

typo watch

y’all.. should either be “y’all.” or “y’all….”

Explanation:
The first option brings the sentence to a proper close with a period. The second implies that you could have said more, but it just isn’t necessary. ”...” takes the place of implied other words. In this case, three periods in succession is not sufficient, you need a fourth, because the implied other words complete your sentence, so you have three periods to imply other words and a fourth for the period which normally ends the sentence.

Two periods in succession is incorrect.

I hope that helps, that you have learned something, and that I have been nice enough. Who defines “nice” in your scenario?

(I haven’t discussed the propriety or impropriety of “y’all”. I suppose that is somewhat determined by context, and since this is a rather informal discussion, it seems permissible to me. But a case can be made to not permit “y’all”, if someone is truly opposed to it.)

I am not a “typo-hater”, but I do occasionally mention them when there is real humor to be found. When a professed “typo-hater” has one, while professing his hatred, and uses it twice (also with “paddle..”), my weird since of humor thought it was funny.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 6:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Two-Period Ellipsis..

is my personal steez, yo.

And when someone corrects something in a “professed ‘typo-hater’s’” comment and in so doing commits two himself, that is meta-funny. (“sense”, not “since” of humor, and “thought” and “was” shouldn’t be past-tense).

We could do this all day.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 9, 2008 7:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

“since” was intentional, but you nailed me on the past tense.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 7:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sure. How about every year on Feb 31?

"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"

These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.

by CatMan2 on Jul 9, 2008 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll put up with nearly everything

except “greater THEN” – arrggh!!

In general, the art of government consists in taking as much money as possible from one party of the citizens to give to the other.

by TTRocks on Jul 9, 2008 8:04 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I can be hard on grammar errors,

But I am usually hardest on myself when I make them.

Still, it is one of the peeves that I keep as household pets which can’t stand text messaging lingo as actual communication. I don’t want to have to put a message through a secret decoder ring to figure out what was said.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 9, 2008 9:05 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

D-O-N-T-F-O-R-G-E-T-T-O-D-R-I-N-K-Y-O-U-R-O-V-A-L-T-I-N-E

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 9, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

“You’ll shoot yer eye out!”

MLB2PDX!!! (someday...)

by The Cactus Leaguer on Jul 9, 2008 10:42 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY!!!

I posted once or twice. Never again. It’s fun for me to read other peoples posts but I’ll never post one of my own again. People around here seem to love jumping on someone about gammar or spelling or that “that would’ve fit better in the junkdrawer thread.” I no longer post my own opinions or any stories because of this. This site is still fun for me because I read other fans posts and comment if I feel it’s worth it.

The more seasoned members seem to go off on the newer guys/gals and it’s a huge turn off for us. This is the first site I’ve joined like this so I’m not very educated about alot of internet protocol, but it seems that every time I read a post that some other member has an issue with it just takes away from the fun of the site, especially when it’s just a short comment like “this has already been posted” or “this belongs in the junk drawer thread”

How about you more experienced bloggers/posters leave the new people alone and if you don’t have anything nice to say just don’t say anything at all.

Thanks.

Damn the Blazers. Damn them to hell. - 'The Sports Guy' Bill Simmons

by doublezeroduck on Jul 9, 2008 9:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on Duck

We want you to post. If you have an idea…bring it on. If someone gives ya grief just ignore it. Not telling you what to do…but…I sincerly encourage you to keep participating.

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 9, 2008 9:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna ditto 92

First of all, your Bill Simmons quote really work for me, and I bet I’m not alone. Second of all, I checked out your profile. Anybody who names their chinchilla after LMA, I wanna to hear more from . . .

Just sayin’

by Corvid on Jul 9, 2008 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll try to do better with new posters

Blazersedge is best thought of as a group conversation set in a neighborhood sportsbar.

Imagine somebody new walks in and is abrasive and insulting to people they don’t know. It’s really hard for me to let that roll off my back when that happens here.

Imagine somebody new sits down at your table and takes over the discussion or asks silly questions that they could answer for themselves with the slightest effort. We have that problem here when new posters will write a short fanpost that is uninteresting or has already been covered to death.

I will definitely try to be more welcoming and/or ignore these annoyances. I’m am guilty of being a bit of a jerk to a couple of new posters recently. I realized after I commented on one fanpost I didn’t like that I could have been insulting a 12 year old kid who loves the Blazers. The last thing I want to do is be mean to a kid.

by tweener on Jul 9, 2008 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Good post

To elaborate for other readers (less of a reply to you because I think you get it) there is another side to the “imagine” scenario you pose:

Imagine you walk into a bustling sportsbar where great conversation seems to be happening all over. You’re intrigued and you’d like to join in but you don’t know quite how you’re supposed to do that. So you sit down and try to say something for the first time…maybe it’s just a dumb question or maybe it’s something that’s been covered a hundred times before, you don’t know. You’re just trying to think of something to say to break the ice so you can get acclimated. Then somebody turns to you and says the basic equivalent of, “That was pretty dumb. Why don’t you figure out what you’re doing before you speak?” All of a sudden that sportsbar and its conversation don’t seem so great anymore.

That’s what I hear 00Duck saying. That’s also why being a little bit more careful with new folks than we are with people we know would probably be a good idea. What many folks don’t see is that a ton of now-experienced posters started out with comments and posts that were weird, wacky, out of place, and sometimes downright annoying. Eventually they grew a little bit into the site and in many case the site grew a little bit to accomodate them (which is the truly exciting part). That’s what makes this place nifty. It would be a shame to lose that for the sake of people having to “fit in” right away.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 9, 2008 11:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where's the Pool Table?

That’s where I wanna hang.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 9, 2008 11:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does that mean

we can be jerks towards Dave, since he’s been around forever?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 3:28 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

That's what I do

You can put him on notice and do all sorts of crazy things, and he’ll just ignore you. It’s pretty cool actually. I like to get into conversations with everyone and I’ve learned to only take it to the next level if I “know” the person.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 3:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I should admit that I was in the edge for/by/with/about/whatever you for a while in my first week at BE

until someone talked about you and your behavior and you throw one of yours “I love you, man”.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 10, 2008 3:56 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was pretty dumb

Why don’t you figure out what you’re doing before you speak?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 4:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Step off man!

Did you even watch Wimbledon?

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 4:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So's your face

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 10, 2008 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You obviously did not read my post

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nobody ever does.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 10, 2008 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ouch

“Words are like weapons, they wound sometimes.” That is a quote from JFK or MLK, I don’t have time to look it up. You wounded me.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Aww...

Poor Tom. To repay you, here’s the most inspirational speech ever made.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 10, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love sees no color

Racism hurts everyone.


Booya! Played the racism card, whatchoo gonna do now?

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm speechless.

I am without speech.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 10, 2008 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not fair

I was fighting with Tom and you stepped in while I was gone.

And you did it better than I was doing, too. Jerk.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 11, 2008 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's still time, J!

Fighting with TiH is for everyone!

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 11, 2008 11:44 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are growing together at Bedge and the community is growing in number too.

It takes time to fit all, but don´t you think that there are in Blazersedge as a whole a strong will and wish to do it?. Your statement is a great spontaneous step toward this goal as many others spontaneously have steped forward too. And if we fail still we have Dave´s insightful voice and even his power to control any crisis if a crisis happens. It means you and me have to do an effort also to learn while posting in Bedge, making mistakes (It includes in my case a lot of grammar and spelling mistakes and many non sense comments) and doing so we´ll make this community better. I like your comments.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 9, 2008 11:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

Start an NBA blog, gain the ability to control any crisis – I’m in the wrong profession!

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 9, 2008 11:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if it was intentional or not,

but you don’t need a period after an exclamation mark. The exclamation mark ends a sentence (or in this case, an exclamation) just as a period would.

(And for everyone who isn’t Alfredo, check up above. I have permission to correct his grammar without discipline)

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 10, 2008 1:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Rock

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 10, 2008 1:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want you to be here

Please.

"Lenny Suckerpunch Never bet on me" - Elizabeth "The Lizzard" Lowblow

by Lizzy Lowblow on Jul 9, 2008 10:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I Will Say This, Though..

Just to raise a point or two for the other side of the argument />1. When Firefox puts a red line under a word I typed, I look up the correct spelling.
2. I always ALWAYS read over my comments before posting them (as we all know – no edits).

I get the feeling that a lot of people here don’t do either of those two, or do them very infrequently. To me, I take the time and effort to do so because, yes, it means something to me, but also because I want to present myself in a respectable way (even if sometimes I say things that are less than respectable). To do otherwise, in my opinion, is like talking really close to someone’s face when you have bad breath and if someone complains be like “hey man, it’s the message that’s important”.

Anybody agree or am I totally wrong AGAIN?

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 9, 2008 11:49 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Thanks a Lot SN Comment Box

for putting a big thing of junk in my comment about clean commenting. The “link” is supposed to be in quotes, and #1 is supposed to be on the next line, for what it’s worth.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 9, 2008 11:51 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just for Fun - Name the Author - I'll bet BE can do it in less than 5 minutes1

I love this game – Name the author and book: (without Googling the line please – be fair!)

“O here here how hoth sprowled met the duskt the father of fornicationists but, (O my shining stars and body!) how hath fanespanned most high heaven the skysign of soft advertisement! (page 4, lines 11–14)”

Extra credit: Spelling problems or genius? Contemporary or archaic?

I am risking being “way over the top” here, I know that. Hey! It’s summer – what the heck.

Rick

by Rick C in Tigard on Jul 10, 2008 4:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't kow the quote...

reads a little like ee cummings to me.

"I love this game!" -Moonbeam, from 'Rollerball' right before he was knocked into a permanent coma

by -ken on Jul 10, 2008 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahhh...

wrong again.

"I love this game!" -Moonbeam, from 'Rollerball' right before he was knocked into a permanent coma

by -ken on Jul 10, 2008 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know

The Fan Man by William Kotzwinkle

Actually, it’s just a guess.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

James Joyce, Finnigan's Wake. I couldn't wade through it but recognized the style.

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 10, 2008 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Link?

Man that joke kills.

My wife found The Fan Man on some stairs in a parking garage. I read it and it was cool and weird. I think people in Eugene would like it.

Whoa, I just realized this wasn’t in the junk hole. Sorry for going off topic.

I think it is lame when people spell “a lot” as one word. It is a pet peeve, a jerky teacher taught me in junior high. I repress the rage for the good of the hive collective.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 10, 2008 6:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

English Lit.

Google made our lives so much easier. Go ahead. I was more interested in the spelling aspect.

by Rick C in Tigard on Jul 10, 2008 4:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

All the literature

religious and otherwise, is interesting, but let’s not hijack the thread.

—Dave

by Dave on Jul 10, 2008 7:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oops

OK, no more religion on this thread for me. I didn’t see this until after my last comment, sorry.

We were fairly civil about it, though. At least, I thought so.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 11, 2008 2:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ditto as for seeing this comment after I posted

Also, I thought it was actually a fairly good example of “civility”—which is often hard to say about religious discussions.

by TimG on Jul 11, 2008 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention the words unspoken...

................................... like what an atheist like me thinks about 21st century Americans parsing the meaning of words of third-generation translations of ancient books from the other side of the world.

t

"You don't live by the jumpshot, you die by the jumpshot." ---Charles Barkley, 2/7/08

by timbo on Jul 12, 2008 7:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give me that wallet!

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 12, 2008 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who are you calling

an American?

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 12, 2008 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bye-bye post.

The Midnight Rambler

by amlmart1 on Jul 12, 2008 10:14 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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