Some props for B-Roy

by EngineerScotty on Jul 8, 2008 2:37 PM PDT

Andrew Perna at RealGM has released his list of Top Ten Careers of Players Picked Sixth--and our boy Roy is at #10.

The entire list:

10. Roy

9. Shane Battier

8. Downtown Freddie Brown

7. Hersey Hawkins

6. Antoine Walker

5. Kenny Smith

4. Orlando Woolridge

3. Adrian Dantley

2. Lenny Wilkens

1. Larry Bird

Now, this is a *career* achievement award, so the three active players on the list (Roy, Battier, and to lesser etent, 'Toine) probably have room to move up. Roy is better than Battier today overall (though Battier's a far better defender); and I see Roy vaulting up to #4 rather swiftly. The top 3 are all HOFers, and Bird is of course the best at his position. (LeBron may challenge him one day as best-ever SF, but not yet).

I can see Roy eventually being considered a better player than Dantley--who was a bit of a one trick pony, but damn he did that one think (score) well. Wilkens playing career occurred mostly before I was born--I know him far better as a coach than as a player.

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he’ll be #2

by PippenAintEasy on Jul 8, 2008 2:43 PM PDT 1 recs

God I hate

Antoine Walker.

by joelor on Jul 8, 2008 2:48 PM PDT 0 recs

hes like the Zach Randolph of SFs

Woof

by Charles Barkley McLovin on Jul 8, 2008 2:57 PM PDT up 0 recs

I thought that was Carmelo.

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 8, 2008 3:39 PM PDT up 0 recs

Carmelo's too effective at what he does

by EngineerScotty on Jul 8, 2008 4:45 PM PDT up 0 recs

Carmelo's rep is way too low

That guy is very talented, and a terrific scorer. He has the ability to do more so he deserves criticism, but his offensive game is amongst the best in the NBA. Post ups, mid range, everything. He just needs to play better both ways.

If the Nuggets traded him and kept Iverson, I would laugh till my nuts fall off (but to be fair my nuts are teetering at the edge of falling off; they’re hanging by a thread).

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 8, 2008 6:34 PM PDT up 0 recs

but he provides us with such joy

“Asked why he shoots so many 3s, Antoine Walker recently responded, ‘Because there are no 4s.’”

by abdelnaby on Jul 8, 2008 3:02 PM PDT up 0 recs

That list is jacked up

Those ten should be like this:

10. Brown
9. Walker
8. Dantley
7. Woolridge
6. Battier
5. Roy
4. Hawkins
3. Smith
2. Wilkens
1. Bird

Both Teams Played Hard
Both Teams Played Hard
Both Teams Played Hard

by Kelsoballa on Jul 8, 2008 2:57 PM PDT 0 recs

I'd go

10. Walker (3 AS appearances, but a known cancer)
9. Brown (Key player on Sonics championship team; the first 3-point bomber in the NBA)
8. Woolridge (Nice long career, key reserve on Lakers 87 title squad)
7. Hawkins (One All-Star appearance, nice long career, didn’t accomplish much beyond that)
6. Battier (Might move up; defensive stud)
5. Smith. (Two rings with Houston, long career of great play-no AS appearances though).
4. Roy. (All-Star his second year-he’s certainly better than HH, who was at best a poor man’s Ray Allen; still not a bad thing).
3. Dantley. Multi-year stud, HOF. Would have won a couple rings with the Pistons if Isiah hadn’t stabbed him in the back—he was clearly the best player in the 1988 Finals; but the Lakers and not the Pistons won that series.
2. Wilkens. Top 50 player.
1. Bird. Best SF of all time; one of the top 10 ever.

by EngineerScotty on Jul 8, 2008 3:16 PM PDT up 0 recs

Players picked at #6 must really suck

If ANTOINE WALKER can be anywhere on a top ten list of those players. Heyzues Kristos!

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 8, 2008 3:07 PM PDT 0 recs

Walker wasn't bad.

He was an all-star caliber player in Boston for several years. The wheels have just fallen off as he’s aged and his attitude has gotten worse.

by erastus25 on Jul 8, 2008 3:14 PM PDT up 0 recs

He was always pretty bad,

even in Boston. He could just shoot the ball and…well…thats pretty much it. That’ll get you an all-star appearance in a weak conference on a weak team, I suppose.

by joelor on Jul 8, 2008 4:59 PM PDT up 0 recs

I know he had good numbers

But I remember him being pretty ultra crappy because he just gunned and gunned and while he got rebounds he did nothing else. It is kinda surprising how steeply his skills have declined, but I hated THAT version of Antoine Walker more than the shadow of his former self he is now.

He’s supposed to be a nice guy though.

Man, I hate watching him play. I can’t believe he has a title!

Danny Ainge gave Walker up for nothing while he was still at his peak. He was Z-Bo-esque, where he puts up ‘dee numbers but the numbers don’t help you win. Right now, I just feel bad for Walker, because he’s still pretty young but his body has rebelled against him (or he rebelled against his body, I dunno). Even if I hate a dude’s game, I don’t like it when careers end early.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 8, 2008 6:27 PM PDT up 0 recs

I disagree,

He was the only playmaker in Boston for a long time, and was an excellent duo with Pierce. If you’re gonna say he was bad, be specific:he had no D. I still think he was a good player, although I too am shocked there are no better choices for the #6 list.

by MGNNoah on Jul 8, 2008 6:10 PM PDT 0 recs

I figured...

...Saying Antoine Walker sucks is self explanatory. Even at his peak, as a 20/10 versatile PF, he sucked. He’s a gunner who shot a horrible percentage, played no defense, did not play within the offense, and benefited from a Boston team desperate for a decent team again and accidentally tripping into the ECF alongside Pierce.

He was just a good numbers/bad team type dude, like Z-Bo. He isn’t the worst player in the history of the world, but to be one of the ten best EVER to be drafted at #6, then there has been a real dearth of talent to go #6 in the draft.

To be fair, I am against ballhogs and guys who run like they are GI Joes. Adam Morrison and Antoine Walker run the same way, like they’re scooting along in socks to try to static shock someone, and me HATES IT! Plus, all they do is shoot. Must be something genetic they share.

The best thing about Antoine Walker is that he looks just like Martian Manhunter to me. When that movie is made, I know who they should cast and it’ll be amazing.

Mortimer

by Mortimer on Jul 8, 2008 6:32 PM PDT up 0 recs

Mortimer

you’re wrong here. Walker was a very good player for some decent Boston teams that had some playoff success. Take a peak at ‘01-’02 and ‘02-’03 for example.

His skills quickly eroded and he kept gunning like he was still an all-star. That’s what made him one of the league’s worst players. It’s funny that you complement Carmelo above- that’s exactly the type of player Walker was. You’re position on these two guys is not terribly consistent.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 8, 2008 6:40 PM PDT up 0 recs

sorry

my tone in that post is more contentious than I intended. I’ve got no problem with your opinion- I just disagree.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 8, 2008 6:51 PM PDT up 0 recs

Are you kidding?

I mean Carmelo doesn’t spend half his time on the court gunning from the 3pt line does he? I don’t see the comparison at all.

A Time For Heroes,
It's not right for young lungs to be coughing up blood
And it's all
It's all in my hands
And its all up the walls
Well the stale chips were up and the hopes stakes were down
Until Kp came into Town!
'Sing it Petey!

by Dheepan on Jul 8, 2008 7:06 PM PDT up 0 recs

hmm...

after taking another look at the stats, the comparison is off. Walker attempted even more treys than I realized (7 a game even back in ‘01) while ‘Melo takes fewer than I expected ( 2 a game). My bad.

I stand by my statement that Walker was a useful player back in those days, but not on Carmelo’s level.

My bad.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 8, 2008 7:13 PM PDT up 0 recs

But...

...we can still agree that Carmelo and Walker would both be on the All-Time All-Z-Bo team, right?

"I think it’s going to be very beautiful game next year."
-Batuuuuuuuum!

by rockingharder on Jul 9, 2008 12:21 AM PDT up 0 recs

haha...

Yes. The fact that Melo has been named the starting PF on an ultra talented Olympic team this year is a travesty. Not quite the same level as Kidd getting the nod over CP3, but still…

by erastus25 on Jul 9, 2008 6:53 AM PDT up 0 recs

well...

I sort of agree but ‘Melo’s been tremendous with the national team in the past.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 9, 2008 8:06 AM PDT up 0 recs

Fallicy of the rating is the Territorial Picks that were used

which pushed players up that were actually 9th or 10th. An example was 1965 when Jerry Sloan (4th), Billy Cunningham (5th) and Rick Berry (2nd) all were taken before the 6th pick but after three territorial picks (including Bill Bradley and Gail Goodrich). Put Sloan Cunningham and Berry into the discussion (any 1 of them) and Walker for sure goes away. That is maybe why 1965 was the last year of Territorial Picks.

Aldridge said. "We feel like we can beat any team. We feel like we can beat the Spurs, Suns, Lakers, Mavericks, whoever any night right now, and we'll still be here when those teams get old and their guys retire. We're going to be here for a long time."

by lee3022 on Jul 8, 2008 10:54 PM PDT 1 recs