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Clearing Up the Bayless-Draft Debate

Everyone seems to be really worried over one question: Can Jerryd Bayless be our PG of the future? There are a lot of doubts as to whether a score-first combo guard is really the answer to our current situation. Some even seem disappointed that Kevin Pritchard didn't trade the 13th pick and Josh McRoberts for Chris Paul, Jason Kidd, and Deron Williams. I mean, we all knew that he would land three all-star points in the same draft, so where are they?

What I haven't seen is a realistic look at what we actually got on draft night. Everyone seems to be either really doubtful or unrealistically optimistic; either Jerryd Bayless won't be able to solve our PG problem and is therefore a complete failure or he will magically turn into the next Chauncey Billups. No one seems to find the positive aspects in the trade without being completely unrealistic by suggesting that Jerryd will be the answer to all the Blazers' needs. So here are my reasons why it really doesn't matter whether or not Jerryd is the right PG for us when evaluating the success of the draft:

1. We've been spoiled by KP. He's drafted at least three future all-stars in the past two drafts. Everyone is expecting another miracle. We want to see another future all-star. Everyone's expectations were so high that when we didn't come away with everything we needed, we were disappointed.

2. Because Jerryd is a PG, people assume that he should be the future at that position for the Blazers. Everyone is evaluating him as a starter. Really, though, he should be looked at in terms of who he's replacing: Jarrett Jack. Jerryd will definitely be an improvement over Jack, even if he doesn't become a polished 1. If nothing else, we improved at the backup point guard spot for when we find a real starter.

3. In fact, the trade with Indiana is really about improvement. Essentially, we traded our 13th pick for upgrades on current players. Bayless is an upgrade over Jack and Diogu, as a player who has at least proven that he can play at an NBA level, is an upgrade over McRoberts.

So KP may not have come away with an all-star. He may not have even come away with our starting PG. But what he did do was improve our roster and give us a chance at that starting PG that we need. People want the PG issue to be solved now, whether that means that Bayless is the starter we're looking for or having either Roy or Rudy play point (which, by the way, wouldn't work). And this makes them overlook what actually happened in the draft: we improved at each spot that we traded away. And this, in the future, puts us in a better position when we do find our starting PG. So I hope everyone will realize that we had another good draft even if we don't come away with our starter. The debate over the point has gotten ridiculous; people are way too impatient. We can get a starting point guard, if not Bayless, then in free agency or in a trade. For now, though, we improved at the backup PG and that's what matters. I don't expect us to have found a starter at the point for at least another season, which makes all this debate now pointless. What happened in the draft was improvement and that's what matters. That is why drafting Bayless, even if he doesn't turn out to be a starting PG in the league, was a good move.

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Well said

Seems accurate, clear analysis to me

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by OBJuan72 on Jul 7, 2008 2:09 PM PDT   0 recs

Completely OT here,

What part of the “high desert” did you escape to? Ever heard of John Day?

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by prezofdeath on Jul 7, 2008 2:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Crook County

OT – sigh, the red center of a blue state
The people at sportstechnow.com are doing domain name research on the OKOutlaws. Sorry if someone else has already posted that news.
Great scenic country around John Day, Strawberry Mountains

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by OBJuan72 on Jul 7, 2008 5:57 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Domain name research?

What does that even mean?

by tingeyga on Jul 7, 2008 5:58 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, Pretty Much..

If they name the team ‘Outlaws’, they’re going to want to tie up loose ends as far as internet presence goes before the official announcement. This is more to say that if people with traceable ties to the NBA/Ex-Sonics are buying domain names for the OKOutlaws.com, etc., then it’s a pretty fair indication that the name, yet to be announced, is “Outlaws”.

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 7, 2008 7:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Are they going to try and trade for Bo, Charles and Travis?
25 that Mr. Bennett, Ann, #25 ‘im!

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2008 7:35 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

At least they have an Anthem, yhanks to Jerry Jeff Walker

He was born in Oklahoma,
His wife’s name’s Betty Lou Thelma Liz
And he’s not responsible for what he’s doing
Cause his mother made him what he is.

And it’s up against the wall Redneck Mother,
Mother, who has raised her son so well.
He’s thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.
Just kicking hippies asses and raising hell.

Sure does like his Falstaff beer,
Likes to chase it down with that Wild Turkey liquor;
Drives a fifty-seven GMC pickup truck;
He’s got a gun rack; “Goat ropers need love, too” sticker

And it’s up against the wall Redneck Mother,
Mother, who has raised her son so well.
He’s thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.
Just kicking hippies asses and raising hell.

Well,
M is for the mudflaps you give me for my pickup truck
O is for the Oil I put on my hair
T is for T-bird
H is for Haggard
E is for eggs, and
R is for REDNECK.

Up against the wall Redneck Mother,
Mother, who has raised her son so well.
He’s thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.
Kicking hippies asses and raising hell.

He’s up against the wall Redneck Mother,
Mother, who has raised her son so well.
He’s thirty-four and drinking in a honky tonk.
Just kicking hippies asses and raising hell.

by raoulduke on Jul 7, 2008 8:32 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You have solid points there, dog

But bear in mind, for this to be a truly worthwhile trade, Bayless MORE than just a small upgrade over Jack. You’re correct in saying that talent-wise, Bayless will likely be better than Jack.

However, one thing this team lacks is veteran leadership, and Jack was on of our biggest “veterans” on the team. Not a veteran by most teams’ standards, but on our team, he was an old goat that commanded a lot of respect. As much as the fans gave him a bad time, the guys in the locker room gave him respect.

So for Bayless to be an appropriate replacement, not only does he have to come in and be able to get to the foul line in the fourth quarter like Jack and play semi-solid defense like Jack, he has to contribute to the locker room in a positive way like Jack did. Obviously, due to his age, he likely won’t be considered a leader on this team, but he must not be a hinder. Some have given him a bit of a “me first” label, while others have said he is completely unselfish. That remains to be seen.

If he comes in and outplays Jack but is a jerk in the locker room, we really didn’t gain a whole lot. Part of the reason we won 41 games last year with so much youth is because we are a team of mature players who know how to act. Most young team experiments (see: Clippers) are usually composed of screw offs that don’t take things seriously. They may have talent (Corey Magette, Darius Miles, both who were pretty good in their youth), but in the end they jack around and wind up wasting their careers. If that is what Bayless becomes, terrible move. If, however, Bayless comes under the Blazer umbrella and meshes with the team and is a classy guy, even if he puts up only Jack-esque numbers (which I think is his worst case scenario—I honestly think he’ll be quite a bit better), then it’s a victory.

So really, great post, but don’t forget about his attitude. That will determine the “success” rating of this trade.

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by prezofdeath on Jul 7, 2008 2:16 PM PDT   0 recs

Great editing job by me

“Bayless [must be] MORE than just a small upgrade over Jack.”

“Jack was [one, not “on”] of our biggest veterans…”

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by prezofdeath on Jul 7, 2008 2:18 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

lol silly prez

Vote Sam Bowie as Greatest "Other" Blazer Ever.

by Outlaw is Rejector on Jul 7, 2008 3:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Trix aren't for rabbits?

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by prezofdeath on Jul 7, 2008 3:48 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point

Yes, we really do need veteran leadership. But I think Roy and LMA are starting to really fill those leadership roles, especially now that they’ll have been in the NBA for two seasons.

And you’re completely right about attitude. That’s what makes our current team so good; all of our players have good attitudes that mesh well. If Bayless turns out to be a non-team player, then he definitely should be out of here.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 7, 2008 2:22 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Roy more than LMA, but yeah, very true that they're the leaders here

I think Jack will be missed, especially early in the season. But yeah, time will go on, and moving one leader (Jack) makes room for another leader (Oden).

And hopefully Bayless does become a classy guy. The Spurs got to the point where they had such a solid core group, that taking on a jerk like Bowen or Horry didn’t matter. Maybe we’re not to that point, but perhaps we’re to a point where every guy we take doesn’t have to be a “perfect angel” to fit in.

By the way, welcome to the Bedge. You sound pretty knowledgeable and you even used “LMA,” which is kind of a Bedge term. Even though you just joined (congrats on first post and comment), I take it you’ve read for a while?

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by prezofdeath on Jul 7, 2008 2:27 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Thanks

I’ve been looking for somewhere that covered the Blazers over the summer and I found this site. After reading for a while I wanted to put my two cents in.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 7, 2008 3:07 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You found the right place

Blazers are covered…and pretty much anything else you can think of. We had tons of people around commenting for the NBA finals. I’m surprised we didn’t have an open thread for tennis during the Williams vs. Williams matchup or the Nadar vs. Federer matchup.

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by prezofdeath on Jul 7, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In fact, over in the Okie City post, we have a Lord of the Rings thing going on.

Although, maybe we derailed that one a little more than we should have.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2008 3:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Leaders, Veterans, and character guys....

If those are the categories, I would put Jarrett Jack as a character guy with extremely good work-ethic and practice attitude, not a leader.

Brandon Roy, LaMarcus Aldridge and Greg Oden are not only stars but they are the leaders of this team. The other leader, is (former-player)Coach Nate MacMillan, who serves as a leader and veteran voice. Steve Blake and Joel Pryzbilla serve as key veterans on this squad, shoring up the guards and post-players with that veteran presence and steady play needed.

Really, James Jones was our “veteran” presence at the wing last year and his poise and experience showed through quite a bit. But, JJones is no longer here so Outlaw and Martell have to STEP UP NOW and be solid all season long. It is not out of the question for these two budding players to succeed as “Stars in their ROLE” and both have great seasons.

I imagine that Roy and Blake will get the guards all on que, likewise with Pryzbilla and LaMarcus setting the tone for the post players… the character and health we really need to root for is that of Martell Webster and Travis Outlaw. If they succeed this year, the sky is the limit.

by Portland Dynasty on Jul 8, 2008 2:55 PM PDT to parent up   1 recs

agreed

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on Jul 7, 2008 4:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

with prezofdeath

If somebody hits you with an object you should beat the hell out of them.-Charles Barkley

by Winchester on Jul 7, 2008 4:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

one thing

You say Ike is an upgrade over McRoberts because he’s proven that he can play at an NBA level. You know who else proved that? JJack. You know who’s unproven in the NBA? Bayless!

Just wanted to point that out. Consistensy is important in logical analyses.

by 50backflips on Jul 7, 2008 2:28 PM PDT   2 recs

rec'd

I approve of consistency.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 7, 2008 2:29 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

While agreeing that consistency is important in logical arguments,

in reality, I think we can all agree that Bayless has a higher ceiling than Jack, while McBob’s ceiling is either equal to or lesser than Ike.

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by prezofdeath on Jul 7, 2008 2:31 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

right

the conclusion was fine, the logic was not.

Boomshakalaka

by jksnake99 on Jul 7, 2008 2:45 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

well yeah

JJ has peaked, bayless was a top 5 talent. This team is built on damn near 100% potential. That can be a bad thing.

by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 5:13 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hopefully...

McBob’s ceiling is higher than 6’10”, otherwise he’s gonna end up with bumps on his noggin.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 8, 2008 11:26 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

McRoberts

doesn’t have the potential that Bayless does. With a third string PF, you’re just looking for someone who can play. With a backup and maybe starting point, you want someone with a higher ceiling. If Jack was a third string point, it would be different. We weren’t looking for a proven veteran, we were looking for another young asset.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 7, 2008 2:59 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Roy and Rudy Will Start

Even if the first quarter is a shoot out, I like the Blazers chances, because Nate sure can coach some good defense. One time, I saw him coach a young team to a thirteen game winning streak, with just a zone defense and an outside shooter.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 7, 2008 2:54 PM PDT   0 recs

I hope not.

Roy and Rudy are both good, but neither of them is a true 1. They could play point, but that doesn’t mean they should. It would be a gigantic mistake to have one of them playing consistently out of position. Just look at the L@kers. Pau Gasol was playing out of position and they consistently got out-rebounded and destroyed in the paint because of that in the finals. You don’t want players out of position.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 7, 2008 3:04 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

To play devil's advocate...

By starting Rudy and Roy, that puts the opposing player’s point guard out of position as well, at least on defense. I think Roy is certainly a good enough ball handler to be the playmaker on offense, and it seems like Rudy has the talent to do so as well. The hardest part will be the defensive end, for both teams.

I think I just called Tom a devil.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2008 3:17 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

In that case,

why haven’t we seen other NBA teams starting two shooting guards? Each team at least has a quick, athletic combo at point as their starter. If it would works so well, why hasn’t anyone tried it? I think a Rudy-Roy combo would work well at certain points in a game, but not as a starting lineup.

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer.—Dune

by Muad'Dib on Jul 7, 2008 3:28 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Because not every SG has the ability to handle the ball like Roy does.

I think the last time I saw these kind of PG skills in a SG body was in Magic Johnson. I’m not saying Roy is Magic, but he certainly has the potential (ugh, I hate that word) to be.

I’m not even sure that I would want this to happen, but I don’t think it would be a gigantic mistake to try either.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 7, 2008 3:38 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Have people forgotten about Penny Hardaway so soon?

Penny was really good until his knees gave up the ghost. Probably had better PG-type skills than Roy, but Roy has better SG-type skillz than Penny

by tingeyga on Jul 7, 2008 5:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Uhh...

Magic was PG skills in a small forward’s body (he was 6’9”). Hell, he even played center on occasion for the L*kers. That was one scary-good player.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 8, 2008 11:27 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Did I mention that I'm a complete and utter homer?

No sense in denying it if I haven’t.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 8, 2008 3:24 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

This sounds awfully familiar

‘nuff said

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Jul 8, 2008 3:22 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You did have a good fanpost about it.

I should have linked to it, like I am doing now. But let me live in my delusion a little longer. I like it in here.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 8, 2008 3:26 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

No way

I had no idea what he was talking about. You are crafty.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 8, 2008 3:51 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It's amazing what you can do,

with yarn, used toilet paper rolls and macaroni.

One of Two Official Blazer's Edge Poets Laureate for the 2008-2009 Season

I will miss Jarrett Jack, but getting Jerryd Bayless is helping ease my pain.

by T Darkstar on Jul 8, 2008 4:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't the L*kers do better than 28 teams in the league?

They lost, but that’s pretty darn good. Let’s not use them as examples of goodness. I feel ugly now.

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 4:36 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

i agree with you

the lakers are awesome!!!

by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 5:15 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I just threw up in my mouth

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2008 5:16 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Didn't your man clank a few in LA?

I'm a really really ridiculously good looking orange mocha frappaccino drinking manhammer sandwich

by hobobob on Jul 7, 2008 8:01 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Watch McRoberts became JO type of Deal

ughhhh boy got game

Oden...Aldridge...Roy.....THE REAL BIG THREE
Watch my brandon roy vid

by CroRupt on Jul 7, 2008 3:22 PM PDT   0 recs

Eh. I don't think we have much to worry about with McRoberts.

He was a second round pick and human victory cigar for a reason.

by Cablinasian on Jul 7, 2008 5:30 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

But how can you not argue with the prowess of McLovin’?

by DonkeyShins on Jul 8, 2008 11:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

Our first Fremen Atreides poster. Very nice.
I think the draft was a steal talent wise. I will agree with prez (fairly common these days for me) that the loss really may be Jack’s leadership. Even though I am quite sure Brandon will pick up the slack, Jarrett was really a vocal leader where as Roy is more of an on the court leader.
Bayless won’t likely be a leader, but hopefully will fit more in the mold of Steve Blake. Wants to win but knows his role. At least that’s what I hope. I think McBob was a good locker room guy but not a great NBA player. Diogu is pretty decent and at one point in GS was an emerging star. Dont remember what happened there but he got pushed back in the rotation when Al Harrington arrived. It may have been Nellieball. I guess we find out when the season starts.

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2008 3:35 PM PDT   0 recs

KP Ruled the 2008 NBA Draft from a Dimension BEYOND THE GRAVE!

No, really!

I loved what another poster had to say. Say that Bayless was taken with the #4 pick of this draft. where he probably rightfully should have gone. Then KP trades Jack and #13 for Diogu and #4. All of a sudden KP is a genius. He robbed ‘em again! But because his guy slipped to #11, the one premium lottery pick we had any shot at, then it’s “Meh, Pritch just did okay.”

Bayless’ “high ceiling” is at the all-star level. KP picked up a PROBABLE future all-star for what amounts to loose change. At the same time, he improved our bench and freed minutes in the guard rotation for Rudy and two draft picks.

Oh, and later KP snatches the Spurs’ sneaker pick of the draft, Batum, from under their noses. And the Spurs are awesome at scouting international players. What did this pick do for us? It added defense, I know that’s sound weird with a Euro, and gave us an extra dimension at SF. BEdgers everywhere have been begging for help at the 3, right?

Now the cry is, “What about a true PG?” Roy is a great distributor. Rudy is a very good (most don’t realize how good) assist man at the 2. Bayless is a combo guard. Blake is a serviceable PG if we need more of a handle. For those kvetching about the 1 spot, I just gotta say, wait until you see us this fall. How they gonna stop this attack?

To summarize, KP added to a packed roster at the same time the log jam of role players, and getting us into 2009 with even more draft picks as trade bait. We needed to unload players so we could add our best draft pick, bring Rudy over, and bring the Euro of our choice. (Pobably Batum or Koppponnennnn.) And KP kept all the pieces anybody here really wanted, including both Martell and Trout.

KP = A+
Bayless for #13 = A+
Batum in the Twenties out from under the Spurs = A
Diogu for Jack = B+

I will agree that we could use veteran help. I would like to see us get a three-point specialist to help fill Jones’ sneakers. But longterm, maybe the best thing about these last drafts is that it sets up a LONG championship window where we have awesome talent under Larry Bird rights for a LONG time.

I hope the world doesn’t end in 2012 like they’re sayin’, cuz that could be a decade of Blazer dominance!

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 7, 2008 3:52 PM PDT   0 recs

I think I love you.

I’ve said it before to other posters, but this time I think I mean it.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 7, 2008 4:10 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think I love you?

you mean this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIuKtp3yCTw

"Some of Dave’s greatest gifts are unanswered posts."

by 92wastheyear on Jul 7, 2008 4:14 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I feal dirty inside

"As long as Yao is in the league, Greg Oden will probably never start in an all-star game, because he doesn’t have 1 Billion people voting for him."
silkybrown

"Just so we're totally clear(, y)ou’re saying you want me to kill Yao, right?"
nightbluefruit

by ptwnblzr on Jul 10, 2008 12:29 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, with your new(ish) sig,

pualo’s got at least two of us providing free PR. What’s next? Are we on the verge of a revolution here?

"Shoot, I don't even have anything to put in my own sig"

These are the modest words of pualo, posted on June 20, 2008.
Yes, pualo, an extraordinarily discerning BEdger with a knack for subtle expression.

by CatMan2 on Jul 7, 2008 5:03 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I've been trying to start a cult in Blazer's Edge for months

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 8, 2008 3:35 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

It won't work

A cult has to be based on falsehood, and pualo was absolutely right when he said my comment was long….

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 8, 2008 5:58 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Oh dear...

I’m not buying another set of matched track pants and sneakers. I don’t care if there is another comet coming by…

(no, there isn’t another comet coming by – take off the bubble-wrap suit)

by DonkeyShins on Jul 8, 2008 11:31 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I really wanted Dave as the leader and he messed it up being a pastor

Did you see the Family Guy when they had the church of the Fonz? Imagine game recaps that said, “Verily verily, I say unto you, in the third quarter Travis Outlaw did dunk.”

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 8, 2008 12:43 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Pastors

can make the best/worst cult leaders. People actually listen to pastors (sometimes).

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 9, 2008 4:37 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Haha

“And so it came to pass, that upon the fourteenth minute of the final period, yea nearing the moment of retreat, Saint Travis did accept the pill into his hands and, thrice bouncing it upon the floorboards, eluded opposing players with the grace and sanctity of an angel. Whilst the seconds fell away just as the Walls of Jericho, so did he rise above his opponent and, pausing in air not unlike the very Star of Bethlehem, let loose a terrible and magnificent shot, which thereupon collided off the glass and swished in the holiest of fashions. And verily the contest was won, which begat a fine and glorious streak of victories most divine.”

"Well, Travis just showed us that we can go to Travis Outlaw." - Nate McMillan

by 12sharks on Jul 9, 2008 6:10 AM PDT to parent up   2 recs

HalleLUjah!!!!!

"Besides, AnntheFan will be here any minute to #25 you." T Darkstar

by annthefan on Jul 9, 2008 3:11 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

You didn't mean it when you told me you loved me?

You didn’t mean it when you said we were meant to be?

You didn’t mean it when we etched our names inside a heart on that Hawaiin Palm Tree?

You didn’t mean it when you paid to take me to that lovey dovey surfer movie?

You didn’t mean it when we held hands while running along the beach, laughing aloud with glee?

You didn’t mean it when we sat down with our Starbucks on the dock for a romantic night of talk and tea?

You didn’t mean it when we gazed at the Hawaiin night sky and you squeezed my knee?

You didn’t mean it when you said of your heart I had the only key?

You didn’t mean it when you said for me, you’d cross the Pacific sea?

You didn’t mean it when you said you enjoyed my love song I gave you on mp3?

I love thee, TominHawaii, yet I will end my soliloquy peacefully, wishing that you and your new love will be truly happy, never finding reason to disagree.

How do I set my laser printer to stun?

by prezofdeath on Jul 7, 2008 11:46 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Of course you love him, Tom

He’s citing what I said about if Bayless had been picked #4.

How to make TiH love you? Quote me.

I have spoken. Again. I probably have spoken too much. Again.

Other people don't have as much practice at being wrong as I do -- HT, timbo

by jscot on Jul 8, 2008 2:23 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Another potential method to get TiH's love

You could always get butt implants to have an ass like Jarrett Jack’s. That always started TiH’s motor running.

by DonkeyShins on Jul 8, 2008 11:33 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I feel betrayed

I thought i was the only Bedger in TiH’s heart.

Gimmicks don't make dynasties

by WarEaglePDX on Jul 8, 2008 3:28 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I got Nuttin’ but love for my Blazer’s Edge honey’s.

"Man I want to rec it again." - pualo talking about jscot's long comment

by tominhawaii on Jul 8, 2008 3:40 AM PDT to parent up   0 recs

Cool.

But you still can’t have my Bud Light.

'77

by LaoTzu on Jul 8, 2008 2:37 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

as much as i personally disliked jack

he probably had more use than ike has. so C- would be more appropriate.

by PippenAintEasy on Jul 7, 2008 5:19 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I can remember almost everybody was begging to get devin harris which wasnt going to happen and didnt, but we did what was best for us, I mean damn be happy we ended up with Jarryd bayless instead of Westbrook just compare those stats dudes got plenty of potential id say a higher ceiling than Westbrook might even end up better than Devin.We have plenty of time to develop I mean we are the youngest team in the nba so just have patience.

by playamademex on Jul 7, 2008 4:22 PM PDT   0 recs

I agree

then again, I would still love to have Harris, and in my opinion Westbrook was about 20 spots too high in this draft.

I remember the good old days. The Rasta Monsta days.

by GreatOden'sRaven on Jul 7, 2008 4:23 PM PDT to parent up   0 recs

I think the true test for how KP does in this draft will be...

to answer these questions:

1. Is Bayless better than Jack AND Rush?

2. Is Diogu better than McRoberts?

3. And the ulitmate test…who got the best player?

by JasonT on Jul 7, 2008 4:46 PM PDT   0 recs